When you leave a tip in a resturaunt...

[Crimson Dynamo]

What are you leaving them extra money for?

if you are honest are you really just doing it because you fear being seen as tight or are you trying to impress someone that you have money to spare?


or is it because they have been nice and for some reason you want to pay more for your over priced meal?:shrug:


What are you "actually" leaving extra money for?


Many big chains deduct a percentage of service charges to pay for ‘admin costs’.

The big restaurant chains that do this – according to the Unite Union include: Pizza Express, Giraffe, Cafe Rouge and dozens of independently run food establishments.

Pizza Express keeps 8 per cent of any tip made with a credit card for ‘admin fees’ while Giraffe and Cafe Rouge keep 10 per cent.

There have also been claims that some independent restaurants keep all of the service charge to pay for ‘upkeep’ of the restaurant.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/03/restaurant-brands-dont-give-100-of-your-tip-to-your-waiter-or-waitress-5228554/#ixzz3hmIYdLeq

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/174212.jpg

*reaches for wallet*

[Benjamin]

Not all restaurants have a service charge included in the bill. I leave a tip of the waiter/waitress gets to keep it all and I always give a cash tip. I do it if their service has been great and they have looked after my needs for the night. It's not s high paid job and most people working in that industry do so for the extra little money from tips. I cannot stand people who do not tip after a good meal and service. It's so rude.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not all restaurants have a service charge included in the bill. I leave a tip of the waiter/waitress gets to keep it all and I always give a cash tip. I do it if their service has been great and they have looked after my needs for the night. It's not s high paid job and most people working in that industry do so for the extra little money from tips. I cannot stand people who do not tip after a good meal and service. It's so rude.

rude?

how so

Surely good service is what the place pays the employee for?

I expect good service in the Spar, the bike shop, my dentist, the bank, amazon etc

just because they are walking 20 yards to bring food is no different?

[Crimson Dynamo]

So far I have not tipped anyone in the Spar

and they are lovely

[Benjamin]

A restaurant is different from a shop. Your waiter/waitress is with you throughout the duration of your time there usually attending to your every need to make sure you have an enjoyable meal and evening since you have decided not to cook for yourself that night. They are kind of like your mini butler if you will. If they have given you a lovely evening then yes it's rude not to leave them a little extra seeing as most restaurants don't pay very highly.

[Benjamin]

Also non tippers I wouldn't recommend going to the same restaurant twice. The waiters and waitresses generally remember who tips and who doesn't, so expect barely average service if you return.


I grew up in hospitality and ran a restaurant so I know how it all works ;)

[Crimson Dynamo]

A restaurant is different from a shop. Your waiter/waitress is with you throughout the duration of your time there usually attending to your every need to make sure you have an enjoyable meal and evening since you have decided not to cook for yourself that night. They are kind of like your mini butler if you will. If they have given you a lovely evening then yes it's rude not to leave them a little extra seeing as most restaurants don't pay very highly.

lol

they take your order and bring the food and say "is everything alright?"

giving them money for that is rather bizarre

maybe if folk stopped this silly tradition they would get better wages

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also non tippers I wouldn't recommend going to the same restaurant twice. The waiters and waitresses generally remember who tips and who doesn't, so expect barely average service if you return.


I grew up in hospitality and ran a restaurant so I know how it all works ;)

so you dont get an "is everything alright"


please:joker:

[Benjamin]

I guess you never worked in hospitality or go to crappy places to eat then if your service is mediocre? That or they know you're a non tipper and so don't really care about your evening so give you the most basic of service ;)

[Benjamin]

so you dont get an "is everything alright"


please:joker:

Yes but you also get them getting you a good table if you ask, more drinks, making sure your meal is okay, getting anything else you may need whilst also having to attend ten other tables to make sure everything gets to you promptly. If they don't bring your food as soon as it's cooked it just sits under a hot plate until they do it, nobody else will bring it for them. A lot of places they also have to make the drinks and deserts as well as clear plates from you so you are not sat there for ages with dirty plates, clean tables, lay tables, polish cutlery, take payments. You are sadly mistaken if you think it's by any means an easy job, and ten hours of that is exhausting yet you still have to smile and be nice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess you never worked in hospitality or go to crappy places to eat then if your service is mediocre? That or they know you're a non tipper and so don't really care about your evening so give you the most basic of service ;)

iv been a waiter and worked in bars as a student and working in London for 15 years for large marketing departments serving the top Ad agencies i have eaten in just about all the best places the capital has to offer so you are way off the mark there

bring food from a kitchen is the same the world over

what do you want

here it is

is it ok

do you want owt else?


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do me a favour

[Benjamin]

You clearly were a crap waiter then and didn't make much in tips.

[Liam-]

Whenever my family goes out for a meal we always leave a tip for the server, it's the nice thing to do for someone who has made sure your experience at the establishment was enjoyable.

[Jarrod]

Recently I've had the pleasure of being able to leave tips to some absolutely lovely waitresses. I think it's something you should do if you've had a good experience in a restaurant.

I know it's only the Premier Inn, but I had a meal in there on my first night in Cardiff and the two waitresses that were working were the most friendly and funny people we could have asked for. They catered to everything we needed, we had a good old chat, they recommended places around the bay and the town to visit or to eat in and they were the most helpful members of staff. I left them a tip for that alone.

More recently, Pizza Hut in Wrexham has an amazing waitress who makes you feel so welcome and she's always happy to help and honest she just really makes you enjoy your meal. I leave her a tip each time I've been in there, increasing it every time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You clearly were a crap waiter then and didn't make much in tips.

of well youve nailed your argument with that post

:rolleyes:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whenever my family goes out for a meal we always leave a tip for the server, it's the nice thing to do for someone who has made sure your experience at the establishment was enjoyable.

would you tip a nurse if they looked after a family member really well?

[Benjamin]

of well youve nailed your argument with that post

:rolleyes:

I wasn't having an argument but I guess I was right though.

[Benjamin]

would you tip a nurse if they looked after a family member really well?


Yes, you would get them something like a bunch of flowers to show your appreciation.

[Liam-]

would you tip a nurse if they looked after a family member really well?

If it was beyond the normal expectations, I'd probably do something to thank them yes, maybe a bunch of flowers or something, I don't see the issue with it :shrug:

People might just be doing a job, but that doesn't mean they should be immune from extra praise from the people they're dealing with.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wasn't having an argument but I guess I was right though.

lol

its so far back I could not remember but it was scotland and unless You are delivering a baby or reviving someone from a coma there wont be a big tip

[Benjamin]

Good lad, Liam.

[Crimson Dynamo]

q_vivC7c_1k

[Benjamin]

lol

its so far back I could not remember but it was scotland and unless You are delivering a baby or reviving someone from a coma there wont be a big tip

Lol, well maybe you should have smiled :p

[Crimson Dynamo]

If it was beyond the normal expectations, I'd probably do something to thank them yes, maybe a bunch of flowers or something, I don't see the issue with it :shrug:

People might just be doing a job, but that doesn't mean they should be immune from extra praise from the people they're dealing with.

Then tell a waitress she has done well and then tell her boss to pay her properly and stop inconveniencing customers

simples and you dont lose money to supplement a business that you dont own

[Shaun]

it's nice innit

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Lol, well maybe you should have smiled :p

largest girl LT is a waitress this summer and making lots on tips:hehe:

[Liam-]

Then tell a waitress she has done well and then tell her boss to pay her properly and stop inconveniencing customers

simples and you dont lose money to supplement a business that you dont own

Well aren't you a joy to behold

[Benjamin]

largest girl LT is a waitress this summer and making lots on tips:hehe:

Oh so it's fine she makes tips but not to tip yourself? Ask her what her wage would be without tips and she would be broke.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh so it's fine she makes tips but not to tip yourself? Ask her what her wage would be without tips and she would be broke.

exactly, the mug punters pay her so the owner can buy a new car

crazy

[Liam-]

An inconvenience would be making you stay behind after your meal to wash your own dishes, giving a poorly paid person who works their ass off most nights of the week, waiting hand and foot on people, who a lot of the time will be rude and irritating, is not an inconvenience, it's a nice thing to do for someone who works incredibly hard and it probably makes their day to receive a good tip.

[LukeB]

I always leave tips(only if the service was great obvs) If I had no cash on me and only had my card I always go to the bank to get cash out and then go to the shop to get change. It's a really nice thing to do.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I always leave tips(only if the service was great obvs) If I had no cash on me and only had my card I always go to the bank to get cash out and then go to the shop to get change. It's a really nice thing to do.

which other workers do you tip?

[bots]

i never tip if there is a service charge already included.

If you eat out regularly, it pays dividends to tip. It will get you better service, tables without booking etc etc. One time I went to a restaurant without booking, and the owner turfed people out the restaurant so I could get a table :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

and what about the cooks

they probably have trained for their job but get no tips and they make the bloody food?

[Benjamin]

and what about the cooks

they probably have trained for their job but get no tips and they make the bloody food?

They are paid a lot more.

[reece(:]

I never tip, broke student and all.

[LukeB]

which other workers do you tip?

Well I gave flowers/chocolates to the nurses who looked after me and the people who operated on my finger because they did a good job.

I can't give supermarkets tips because a machine doesn't take them.

I tip loads tbf

[Liam-]

I tip taxi drivers, delivery drivers, anyone I can actually give a tip to, I do.

[Crimson Dynamo]

so if the food is crap the waiter gets no tip and if its good he or she does get good tips

both situations are beyond their control as they dont make food

and cooks may get more basic but with tips a waiter may earn more overall

[Livia]

I tip waiting staff if the service has been good unless a service charge is included in the bill. When the service is bad I don't tip, if there has been a service charge included, I deduct it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Restaurant servers rely on tips for survival, but a growing number of critics are pointing out that the system is flawed.

The standard tip on dinner checks is now as much as 25%, reports Venessa Wong at Bloomberg Businessweek.

But while upscale servers can earn good money, the cooks who prepare the food make minimum wage.

Restaurateur Michael Chiarello, who owns Bottega in Manhattan, said that his servers make up to $90,000 a year through tips, while cooks earn close to minimum wage. "

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/cooks-should-be-tipped-more-than-servers-2014-6#ixzz3hmbQW7k5

[LukeB]

so if the food is crap the waiter gets no tip and if its good he or she does get good tips

both situations are beyond their control as they dont make food

and cooks may get more basic but with tips a waiter may earn more overall

depends on the situation really, if it wasn't their fault then i will still tip them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I tip waiting staff if the service has been good unless a service charge is included in the bill. When the service is bad I don't tip, if there has been a service charge included, I deduct it.

what about if the food is crap?

[Josy]

I always leave a tip because they do a great job, are basically at your beckon call throughout your time in the restaurant etc.

I give taxi drivers a tip when I use them but that's rare.

I give delivery men and workmen at my house a fiver and sometimes at xmas I also give them some cans or bottles of beer.

I give takeaway delivery drivers a tip every time.

If any of my family members or close friends are in hospital I always hand in some flowers or a box of chocolates or biscuits into the nurses station when they are getting home.

Because it's nice to be nice and these people all do a good job :shrug:

[Livia]

what about if the food is crap?

I send it back, pay for what I've had... usually drinks... and leave. I'm not having a full service so I don't tip.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I always leave a tip because they do a great job, are basically at your beckon call throughout your time in the restaurant etc.

I give taxi drivers a tip when I use them but that's rare.

I give delivery men and workmen at my house a fiver and sometimes at xmas I also give them some cans or bottles of beer.

I give takeaway delivery drivers a tip every time.

If any of my family members or close friends are in hospital I always hand in some flowers or a box of chocolates or biscuits into the nurses station when they are getting home.

Because it's nice to be nice and these people all do a good job :shrug:

binmen?

flight attendants (at your beck and call)

[Josy]

LT struggling to accept that not everyone's a miserable ol git like him? :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Better service doesn't actually beget better tips

Diners love the power to bestow or withhold financial reward at their whim; servers, in turn, seem to be motivated by the idea that really excellent service could be rewarded by a monster gratuity. The trouble is, that's not actually how things pan out in practice. Michael Lynn, a professor at Cornell's School of Hotel Administration, has spent his career researching tipping behaviors, and found that perceived service quality only accounts for two percent of the variation between tips. Two percent! It's probably not even enough to be picked up on by the server, much less cause a significant change in behaviour.

http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/restaurants/a23132/why-tipping-should-be-illegal-15603180/

[LukeB]

binmen?

flight attendants (at your beck and call)

binman is apparently a good paid job and so it should be, and i hardly ever see them.

I gave a flight attendant £5 before because I found her pretty (I was 7) but I would give a flight attendant tips because they try and make you have a good flight.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT struggling to accept that not everyone's a miserable ol git like him? :idc:

I never eat out so dont have to worry about it but I do think it should be challenged and I do think people do it for fear of not doing it

and that is wrong

Also attractive girls always get the best tips, fact

how is that fair in 2015?

its sexism

:nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/17/abolish-tipping_n_5991796.html



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[Ashley.]

My family always tips; I don't. I pay what I owe them and leave. I'm not giving someone extra money for doing their job, they'll get what they deserve in their pay cheque at the end of the month.

[Dollface]

I tip if the service was good. Of course, i'm not gonna tip if the service was crap :laugh:

I think it's a nice thing to do. And tbh, if people don't tip I think they're just tight.

[T*]

if the service was good and the staff were friendly, then tip.

[Denver]

I never tip for food but i have been known to leave my number :smug:

[joeysteele]

I only ever leave a tip now, if I have had good and non intrusive service. Otherwise I politely thank them on leaving but leave no tip.

[Brother Leon]

I tip most of the time if the staff made you feel happy and appreciated. I appreciate how hard and stressful the job can be as I done it myself.

[Ramsay]

It's a big thing in america because their minimum wage is so low. it's not so low over here so i rarely do it.

[lostalex]

I do it because i was a server and i remember how happy i was to finish a long day dealing with assholes and kissing ass, and see all those cash money tips. it's a nice feeling.

[Rob!]

rude?

how so

Surely good service is what the place pays the employee for?

I expect good service in the Spar, the bike shop, my dentist, the bank, amazon etc

just because they are walking 20 yards to bring food is no different?


And you get it dammit.

[Ammi]

...you're tipping because it's a service thing, which is different to things like retail..someone has served you, yeah they get paid for that but they don't get paid accordingly to the level of service that's given, it's often left for the person being served to appreciate that and give accordingly...

...anyways, yes I tip at restaurants/taxis/hairdressers/any people working at my house/the guys who take my rubbish away and etc etc...sometimes it's a cash tip and sometimes it's a different type of gift...

[waterhog]

when i visit my fave restaurant i leave the same tip every-time - tell chef it was beautiful and i am looking forward to tomoz meal.

[kirklancaster]

You clearly were a crap waiter then and didn't make much in tips.

:joker:

[kirklancaster]

LT struggling to accept that not everyone's a miserable ol git like him? :idc:

:joker::joker: Keep 'em coming.

[kirklancaster]

...you're tipping because it's a service thing, which is different to things like retail..someone has served you, yeah they get paid for that but they don't get paid accordingly to the level of service that's given, it's often left for the person being served to appreciate that and give accordingly...

...anyways, yes I tip at restaurants/taxis/hairdressers/any people working at my house/the guys who take my rubbish away and etc etc...sometimes it's a cash tip and sometimes it's a different type of gift...

mmmmm.....:laugh:

[Amy Jade]

If I go and eat somewhere and the service is good I think it's only fair to tip, the waiter/waitress work their asses off and get minimum wage.

We went to Mexico when I was 14 (my aunts wedding) and I stayed in a room with my cousin and the woman who came to clean the rooms was so so sweet, she gave us extra towels and she would always try speaking to us even though she did struggle with english and she even went out of her way to tidy up after us, obviously two teenagers make a mess but she would hang stuff up and idk she was just so attentive so we left her all our Peso's we had left because we will never go to Mexico again soon anyway it was about 800 pesos which is probably £25 and when we did she cried her eyes out and hugged us and said she was so thankful and the money was going towards her children etc.

[kirklancaster]

I am in line with most on this thread, and always tip in restaurants when the meal and service has been good. If the waiter/waitress has been particularly pleasant and efficient I tend to leave a larger tip.

I do think, however, that LT is winding us all up to a degree in his mischievous way, because I do not believe that he is really the miserable old miser he would have us believe.

[armand.kay]

I normally just have enough for my meal I've never left a tip before.

[Calderyon]

Isn´t tip money a taxable income?

In here it´s called drink money or service money, and it´s not a standard procedure.

On here a average waitress pay is 1 921 € per month apparently.

[armand.kay]

I never tip, broke student and all.

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[Calderyon]

To add: Tipping isn´t a standard here and therefore people rarely give them. The people who do the service rarely ask for a tip too.

I have never tipped, but that´s because i usually can´t afford to do so. And it´s because i have never been on a place where tipping is expected.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Once you can live with some waitress thinking you are a **** for not giving her money for no reason other than she was nice its easy to not leave a tip


you just have to punch through the storm to the other side, where it is sunny and you have more money

:spin:

[lostalex]

to me, someone who doesn't leave a tip at a restaurant, is like a guest at your house, if you cook for them, they don't bring any wine, they don't offer to help, they don't offer to wash afterwards,

it's just rude.

if you are being served you should be doing something to return the favor, and i'd rather pay a tip than do the dishes!

i always tip well. i actually get upset with my boyfriend when he doesn't.

[Samuel.]

it's nice innit

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This

Not something worth over thinking :shrug:

[Babayaro.]

It's nice to tip and it also doesn't matter if you don't. Who cares? :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's nice to tip and it also doesn't matter if you don't. Who cares? :shrug:

Have you thought about a career in politics?