Just how messed up is this!

[Amy Jade]

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One 19 year old boy has seen his life destroyed after meeting a girl online and having sex with her, only to find out that she was underage.

Zach Anderson spent 90 days in jail and is now on two sex offenders registers in separate states after meeting the girl on app Hot or Not, with the girl claiming to be 17, but in reality only being 14.

In what has been deemed a deliberately harsh sentence, designed to make an example of him, the teenager from Indiana even saw the mother of the girl and the girl herself come forward to claim that she misled him and he believed her to be of age.

After the sentencing, Anderson now cannot live at home because his brother is 15, has lost all the work he did towards his computer science degree and has to be on a sex offenders register for the next 25 years.


Full Story: http://www.unilad.co.uk/articles/teenager-who-slept-with-a-girl-who-lied-about-her-age-is-now-a-sex-offender/

The judge is a total prick! the girl lied about her age, she and her family all wanted the charges dropped yet the judge decided on such a harsh sentence just to make an example? disgusting.

[Liam-]

I read about this earlier, absolutely shocking case and the verdict is beyond ridiculous, didn't the judge say something about how she/he hated today's technological way of people hooking up? Incredibly bias ruling by an idiotic judge, I hope they get sacked and this guy rightfully gets his life back because as it is now, it's completely ruined because of a lying little brats desire to feel grown up.

[Amy Jade]

I read about this earlier, absolutely shocking case and the verdict is beyond ridiculous, didn't the judge say something about how she/he hated today's technological way of people hooking up? Incredibly bias ruling by an idiotic judge, I hope they get sacked and this guy rightfully gets his life back because as it is now, it's completely ruined because of a lying little brats desire to feel grown up.

Yeah the judge did, this poor guy is literally being used as a sacrifice for an idiot judge to show his distain for what the two of them did.

[Livia]

I imagine - and I hope - lawyers will be climbing over each other to handle his appeal because it will be high-profile and I hope damaging for the original judge.

[Jason.]

That's just awful. I hope and live that judge gets sacked. ****ing ****.

[Mystic Mock]

Shouldn't the girl's Mother get into trouble for deceiving him? It's like a form of grooming.

[empire]

it was not this guys fault, he did not force her too lie about her age, this proves that females are the most manipulative and deceptive of all, how many under age girls, lied to there teeth about there age to rock stars, and the police in this country using taxpayers money too try and jail old celebrities, for tapping a womans bottom, kangaroo court style justice, thats where the problem is hitting this guy, he should sue every penny from the judge, and the girl should be banned from the internet, for ten years,

[lily.]

It's a dodgy one isn't it.

Girls lie about their age all the time. What's a guy supposed to do? ID them? If she looks a certain age, then he will obviously take it at face value that she is a certain age. I don't think he should be on any register as he didn't willingly go and have sex with an underage girl. He had sex with a girl who claimed to be of age. So that ought to have been taken into account.

Since this has now made international news, I hope the guy gets some justice from this, as he clearly didn't go out looking for a child to have sex with. The whole thing has been horribly mishandled in my view. I expect, as Liv says, there will be lawyers in there like a dog eating biscuits.

[armand.kay]

Its not messed up its ****ed up! Hook up apps should be held more accountable tbh, they should do more to stop kids lying about their age. Tindr does a bit by making you sign up with your facebook.

[user104658]

Puh Puh Puh paaaaeeedophile

[Tom4784]

It's an awful ruling and one I imagine will be overturned quickly when it's appealed. The judge should be sacked for such a biased and overly harsh ruling. I hope the boy and his family also sue the judge for damages after it is overturned.

[lostalex]

sorry, but 19 and 14 is a huge gap. it might not seem like a lot to most adults, 5 years between adults is not that much, but sorry, ****ing a 14 year old, not okay in my book.

i can't believe so many people in this forum are okay with 19 y/o men going after 14 y/o girls. men need to have the same policy as bartenders, if they are claiming to be anything under 30, and they look under 30, you check ID.

He was clearly online looking for young naive girls to ****. I don't feel the least bit sorry for him. Hopefully this will teach him and all other young guys that read the story to stop trying to **** young girls, and actually create real relationships with adult women their own age.

and for full disclosure I am in a relationship with a guy that is 5 years younger than me, but I am 33 and he is 28, and it's not the same thing at all. And i bet if this was a 19 y/o guy that ****ed a 14 year old boy a lot of you wouldn't have the same opinion.

[lostalex]

It's a dodgy one isn't it.

Girls lie about their age all the time. What's a guy supposed to do? ID them? If she looks a certain age, then he will obviously take it at face value that she is a certain age. I don't think he should be on any register as he didn't willingly go and have sex with an underage girl. He had sex with a girl who claimed to be of age. So that ought to have been taken into account.

Since this has now made international news, I hope the guy gets some justice from this, as he clearly didn't go out looking for a child to have sex with. The whole thing has been horribly mishandled in my view. I expect, as Liv says, there will be lawyers in there like a dog eating biscuits.

I don't understand why you say that. how is it clear that he didn't seek out underage girls to sleep with? That doesn't seem clear to me at all.

[Josy]

Hmmm he broke the law and slept with someone that was below the age of consent, how many times must police and judges hear the 'i thought she was older' excuse?

[Amy Jade]

sorry, but 19 and 14 is a huge gap. it might not seem like a lot to most adults, 5 years between adults is not that much, but sorry, ****ing a 14 year old, not okay in my book.

i can't believe so many people in this forum are okay with 19 y/o men going after 14 y/o girls. men need to have the same policy as bartenders, if they are claiming to be anything under 30, and they look under 30, you check ID.

He was clearly online looking for young naive girls to ****. I don't feel the least bit sorry for him. Hopefully this will teach him and all other young guys that read the story to stop trying to **** young girls, and actually create real relationships with adult women their own age.

and for full disclosure I am in a relationship with a guy that is 5 years younger than me, but I am 33 and he is 28, and it's not the same thing at all. And i bet if this was a 19 y/o guy that ****ed a 14 year old boy a lot of you wouldn't have the same opinion.
He believed she was 17 as stated. I can't see anyone here claiming a 19 year old should be having sex with a 14 year old but the girl in question and her family stood in court and admitted the boy did NO wrong, she accepted responsability.

[Amy Jade]

Hmmm he broke the law and slept with someone that was below the age of consent, how many times must police and judges hear the 'i thought she was older' excuse?

He was duped into breaking the law.

[lostalex]

He was duped into breaking the law.

yea, criminals are pretty dumb, but honestly, how will they ever learn. saying "i'm stupid so i can **** any little girl because i'm stupid"? sorry, that's no excuse.

Obviously criminals are stupid. that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have to pay for their crimes.

If stupidity was a valid excuse, no one would ever have to face any justice.

[Benjamin]

Hmmm he broke the law and slept with someone that was below the age of consent, how many times must police and judges hear the 'i thought she was older' excuse?

The thing is here even the girl and her mum stepped forward to say she had lied and duped him.

[Amy Jade]

yea, criminals are pretty dumb, but honestly, how will they ever learn. saying "i'm stupid so i can **** any little girl because i'm stupid"? sorry, that's no excuse.

Obviously criminals are stupid. that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have to pay for their crimes.

If stupidity was a valid excuse, no one would ever have to face any justice.
I really don't understand where you're even coming from, he never willingly slept with her knowing she was 14, she claimed to be 17 years old and he believed her, her parents even stood up in court and said she had decieved him.

It's not as clear cut as you are trying to insinuate.

[Benjamin]

yea, criminals are pretty dumb, but honestly, how will they ever learn. saying "i'm stupid so i can **** any little girl because i'm stupid"? sorry, that's no excuse.

Obviously criminals are stupid. that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have to pay for their crimes.

If stupidity was a valid excuse, no one would ever have to face any justice.

Alex he didn't actively go looking to have sex with a 14 year old, he believed she was 17, so he didn't know he was breaking the law nor did he actively seek out to break it. It's not stupidity, it was being deceived.

[lostalex]

Alex he didn't actively go looking to have sex with a 14 year old, he believed she was 17, so he didn't know he was breaking the law nor did he actively seek out to break it.
you don't know what he believed and it doesn't matter what he believed. most drunk drivers didn't believe that they were too intoxicated to drive safely. so what? so what if they thought they were fine to drive, that doesn't mean it's not a crime.

it's against the law to **** a 14 y/o child.

he ****ed a 14 y/o child.

Justice done.

[Benjamin]

you don't know what he believed and it doesn't matter.

it's against the law to **** a 14 y/o child.

he ****ed a 14 y/o child.

Justice done.

And you don't know what he believed either. This is not a clear cut case, so no justice has been done and soon his case will be appealed and likely over turned.

[Benjamin]

you don't know what he believed and it doesn't matter what he believed. most drunk drivers didn't believe that they were too intoxicated to drive safely. so what? so what if they thought they were fine to drive, that doesn't mean it's not a crime.

it's against the law to **** a 14 y/o child.

he ****ed a 14 y/o child.

Justice done.


Drunk drivers actively know they shouldn't be driving though and are breaking the law so that is a poor comparison.

[Amy Jade]

All I can say is I am glad you are not a judge if you refuse to look at the bigger picture.

Why do you bring cars and drunk drivers up? sorry that is a terrible comparrison :laugh2:

[lostalex]

Drunk drivers actively know they shouldn't be driving though and are breaking the law so that is a poor comparison.

no they don't, they almost always claim they thought they were perfectly safe to drive, and that they didn't realize what their blood alcohol level was. so they truly believed they had a legal blood alcohol content, that means it shouldn't be a crime?

[lostalex]

All I can say is I am glad you are not a judge if you refuse to look at the bigger picture.

Why do you bring cars and drunk drivers up? sorry that is a terrible comparrison :laugh2:

it's exactly the same thing. people believe what they want to believe to do what they want to do. and they are always looking for excuses. so it's a very fair analogy.

[Amy Jade]

no they don't, they almost always claim they thought they were perfectly safe to drive, and that they didn't realize what their blood alcohol level was. so they truly believed they had a legal blood alcohol content, that means it shouldn't be a crime?

The car didn't tell them they were below the safe limit though did it. :facepalm:

[lostalex]

The car didn't tell them they were below the safe limit though did it. :facepalm:

and a young child telling you a lie doesn't mean that you have no responsibility. Young children lie all the time, especially teenagers, just like a drunk's mind lies to them about how drunk they really are.

[Benjamin]

no they don't, they almost always claim they thought they were perfectly safe to drive, and that they didn't realize what their blood alcohol level was. so they truly believed they had a legal blood alcohol content, that means it shouldn't be a crime?


You know when you have had too many, despite what people say, you know as soon as you have more than one you are over the limit, so yes those that drink drive actively knew what they were doing.

[Amy Jade]

and a young child telling you a lie doesn't mean that you have no responsibility. Young children lie all the time, especially teenagers, just like a drunk's mind lies to them about how drunk they really are.

Still have no idea why you are using drunk driving as a comparisson at all.

[lostalex]

remember that story from a few years ago about the british child that ran away to france with her teacher? she swore up and down she was in love with him, and that it's not his fault, children do that, because children don't have the development to make rational decisions. to blame the girl tolying and claiming he did nothing wrong, means nothing.

the onus is on the ADULT man, not the child. it doesn't matter what she said, even if she took off al her clothes and stood on her head and begged him to **** her, it's still illegal. and all the responsibility is still on the adult man.

[Benjamin]

remember that story from a few years ago about the british child that ran away to france with her teacher? she swore up and down she was in love with him, and that it's not his fault, children do that, because children don't have the development to make rational decisions. to blame the girl tolying and claiming he did nothing wrong, means nothing.

Again a weak comparison here. The teacher knew how old the child was.

[lostalex]

if you have a law that says it's illegal for an adult to have sex with a 14 y/o, that means it applies to everyone equally. it doesn't matter what the CHILD said or lied about. it's the ADULT's job to do the right thing.

How is it that 99.9% of us adults don't have any trouble NOT having sex with 14 y/o's? you people are making it sound like it's such an easy mistake to make.

[Benjamin]

if you have a law that says it's illegal for an adult to have sex with a 14 y/o, that means it applies to everyone equally. it doesn't matter what the CHILD said or lied about. it's the ADULT's job to do the right thing.

How is it that 99.9% of us adults don't have any trouble NOT having sex with 14 y/o's? you people are making it sound like it's such an easy mistake to make.

How is the adult to know that it's just a kid if she has said she is 17? A lot of teenagers nowadays look a lot older than they are and it's probably not something that crossed his mind when talking to her that she was only 14. Do you question everyone's ages?

[Amy Jade]

remember that story from a few years ago about the british child that ran away to france with her teacher? she swore up and down she was in love with him, and that it's not his fault, children do that, because children don't have the development to make rational decisions. to blame the girl tolying and claiming he did nothing wrong, means nothing.
Again a very weak comparrison since he was a teacher who knew her age and still did what he did.

The guy in this case has stated he would have never slept with her had she told him her real age.

[Denver]

The girl should be locked up what a nasty cow

[Denver]

sorry, but 19 and 14 is a huge gap. it might not seem like a lot to most adults, 5 years between adults is not that much, but sorry, ****ing a 14 year old, not okay in my book.

i can't believe so many people in this forum are okay with 19 y/o men going after 14 y/o girls. men need to have the same policy as bartenders, if they are claiming to be anything under 30, and they look under 30, you check ID.

He was clearly online looking for young naive girls to ****. I don't feel the least bit sorry for him. Hopefully this will teach him and all other young guys that read the story to stop trying to **** young girls, and actually create real relationships with adult women their own age.

and for full disclosure I am in a relationship with a guy that is 5 years younger than me, but I am 33 and he is 28, and it's not the same thing at all. And i bet if this was a 19 y/o guy that ****ed a 14 year old boy a lot of you wouldn't have the same opinion.
Who the **** ID's someone there having a one night stand with? Also i think its invasion on privacy to ask for ID for something like that

[GypsyGoth]

He shouldn't have had sex with an underage girl, it's illegal and he deserves to be punished. She shouldn't have lied about her age and the judge should have been wiser and delivered a more just sentence.

[Ammi]

He shouldn't have had sex with an underage girl, it's illegal and he deserves to be punished. She shouldn't have lied about her age and the judge should have been wiser and delivered a more just sentence.

...this really, what he did does merit punishment but the 'punishment should fit the crime' and consider all factors in this case but the judge chose to 'make an example'...

'He met all the qualifications for HYTA [the program for first-time offenders] which would have saved him from having to register on Sex Offender List.'...but this wasn't something considered or disregarded..?...

...apparently the girl had epilepsy/was on medication and her mum was aware she had gone out but didn't ask/know where she had gone to but worried that she was late coming home so called the police...is that also 'responsible' for someone who has a 14yr old with a serious medical condition/taking medication..to not know where they are...which is possibly why I think that she also acknowledges her 'fault' and why this sentencing is so harsh and unjustified and why she defended his actions in court....

[Mystic Mock]

if you have a law that says it's illegal for an adult to have sex with a 14 y/o, that means it applies to everyone equally. it doesn't matter what the CHILD said or lied about. it's the ADULT's job to do the right thing.

How is it that 99.9% of us adults don't have any trouble NOT having sex with 14 y/o's? you people are making it sound like it's such an easy mistake to make.

I saw a picture of a 14 year old UK Soapstar recently, and she looked 16/17, make-up can make girls look older than they actually are.

Of course there's no evidence to suggest that his innocent, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was duped considering the girls Mother is even backing him up on this.

[Mystic Mock]

But yes if I ever have a Girlfriend they're gonna be the same age as me or older lol.

[lewis111]

Saying the guy is in the wrong because he should have known is like saying a shop has a stall up saying free samples, you take one, then the call the cops on you for shop lifting, but that's ok because you should have known

[lily.]

I don't understand why you say that. how is it clear that he didn't seek out underage girls to sleep with? That doesn't seem clear to me at all.

From the information in the OP, it seems pretty clear that the girl lied, and has admitted lying. Therefore she presented herself as a 17 year old girl. If he was looking for someone younger, why would he contact the one who claims to be 17? That was my thought process on the matter.


How is it that 99.9% of us adults don't have any trouble NOT having sex with 14 y/o's? you people are making it sound like it's such an easy mistake to make.

This is more common than you seem to think. It just doesn't get police attention. I could tell you off the top of my head of at least half a dozen underage kids who are hooking up with 18/19 yr old boys, and that's just where I live. Whether they are lying about their age or not, I couldn't say... but girls at the 14/15 age range often look older, act older, dress older... and try to hook up with older boys.. It's been happening since I was that age, and no doubt before that... and I'm 41... so I don't get how you think this is such a unique incident.

[user104658]

Does the girl actually, objectively, look 17 though? Does she have a fully sexually mature body? Was her make up and hair done well enough to make her seem older? Is she socially mature for 14, carrying herself like an older girl?

It's not possible to judge without knowing these things. I all of the above is the case then I can see how he ended up in this situation. But if the above is NOT the case - if she does seem young - then the fact that "she sed she were 17 officer, honest!" isn't really going to cut it as an excuse.

In general, though, youngsters DO need to be more cautious if they're having brief sexual encounters, especially arranged online. All sorts of ways that someone might not be who they claim to be. Older, younger, just a con-artist after money or anything else (well-off teens being duped into sending expensive "gifts" is not uncommon).

Anyway, dificult one to pass comment on without actually seeing the girl (made up as she would have been in her pictures and to meet him). And those won't be made available, sooo...

[Livia]

Does the girl actually, objectively, look 17 though? Does she have a fully sexually mature body? Was her make up and hair done well enough to make her seem older? Is she socially mature for 14, carrying herself like an older girl?

It's not possible to judge without knowing these things. I all of the above is the case then I can see how he ended up in this situation. But if the above is NOT the case - if she does seem young - then the fact that "she sed she were 17 officer, honest!" isn't really going to cut it as an excuse.

In general, though, youngsters DO need to be more cautious if they're having brief sexual encounters, especially arranged online. All sorts of ways that someone might not be who they claim to be. Older, younger, just a con-artist after money or anything else (well-off teens being duped into sending expensive "gifts" is not uncommon).

Anyway, dificult one to pass comment on without actually seeing the girl (made up as she would have been in her pictures and to meet him). And those won't be made available, sooo...

You could go and stand outside your local high school at chucking out time and have a good look at some of the Year 9s. I met someone's daughter recently and thought, wow she looks young to have a daughter of that age, thinking she was 19 or 20. She was 13! My jaw was on the ground.

[Wizard.]

It's unfortunate

[Niamh.]

I imagine - and I hope - lawyers will be climbing over each other to handle his appeal because it will be high-profile and I hope damaging for the original judge.

Yeah, I hope so, this case and ruling sounds ridiculous. It makes a mockery of genuine cases of paedaphilia/statatory rape cases

[user104658]

You could go and stand outside your local high school at chucking out time and have a good look at some of the Year 9s.

I keep trying but the staff have threatened to have me arrested :(.

[lostalex]

From the information in the OP, it seems pretty clear that the girl lied, and has admitted lying. Therefore she presented herself as a 17 year old girl. If he was looking for someone younger, why would he contact the one who claims to be 17? That was my thought process on the matter.



This is more common than you seem to think. It just doesn't get police attention. I could tell you off the top of my head of at least half a dozen underage kids who are hooking up with 18/19 yr old boys, and that's just where I live. Whether they are lying about their age or not, I couldn't say... but girls at the 14/15 age range often look older, act older, dress older... and try to hook up with older boys.. It's been happening since I was that age, and no doubt before that... and I'm 41... so I don't get how you think this is such a unique incident.


so you are saying even you as a 41 y/o have been aware that some young girls lie about their age, and dress to look older... so there really is no excuse for this bloke to have not been aware that young girls lie. especially teenage girls. What man that's been alive for the last 30 years, let alone a 19 y/o who went to school with younger girls who looked much older. Of COURSE he knew that exists.

Is it enough of an excuse to say she lied? or did he just make sure she lied so he could get what HE wanted?

Since when is the blame to be put on kids instead of the adult???

[lily.]

Alex, we are not going to agree on this issue.

You could be 100% correct. Maybe he did know she was 14 and he is using the fact that she lied as his 'get out of jail free' card.

Or maybe he didn't know, and he was stupid enough to get duped.

I guess none of us really know which one it was.

[lostalex]

Alex, we are not going to agree on this issue.

You could be 100% correct. Maybe he did know she was 14 and he is using the fact that she lied as his 'get out of jail free' card.

Or maybe he didn't know, and he was stupid enough to get duped.

I guess none of us really know which one it was.

either way, he's not going to do it again. ....hopefully.

and hopefully because of this example, countless other men will not **** 14 year old children too.

less men ****ing children is a good thing in my opinion!

[the truth]

women touch up men all the time but get away with it

[Niamh.]

women touch up men all the time but get away with it


Tbf that's not really the subject of the thread. It's a thread about statutory rape not men touching up women

[lily.]

women touch up men all the time but get away with it

.. tf are you on about? Are you in the wrong thread, mate?

[lostalex]

women touch up men all the time but get away with it

now let's look at the population of the prisons.... how many women guilty of abusing men, raping men, murdering men??? compared to the guilty male population in prison of the same crimes?

please do the analysis for us...

[Will.]

mess

[user104658]

I get what you're saying Alex. If I serve an under-18 (gambling industry) it's me that can get a 6-month prison sentence or a £5000 fine, the person under 18 who has gambled isn't punished in any way. This is pretty obvious, because the entire point of the law is to protect young people, because they aren't yet fully able to protect themselves. That they will try to circumvent the law is fairly obvious - for exactly that reason - they are young and irresponsible, and so, it is up to us, as adults, to do our best to make sure they're protected.

[the truth]

now let's look at the population of the prisons.... how many women guilty of abusing men, raping men, murdering men??? compared to the guilty male population in prison of the same crimes?

please do the analysis for us...

simply because its not considered a crime when women grope men? which they do all the time....ive had my cock grabbed 100s of times.....and no I didn't bother going to the police not even when the woman was rich

[lostalex]

simply because its not considered a crime when women grope men? which they do all the time....ive had my cock grabbed 100s of times.....and no I didn't bother going to the police not even when the woman was rich

i don't believe you.

you seem like the type of guy that would bitch and moan and report that kind of assault immediately if even just to prove your point.

i also don't believe it for other reasons, but it would be rude of me to explain further.

[Will.]

welp

[the truth]

i don't believe you.

you seem like the type of guy that would bitch and moan and report that kind of assault immediately if even just to prove your point.

i also don't believe it for other reasons, but it would be rude of me to explain further.

To be disbelieved by a liar like you is a compliment, so thanks:wavey:

[user104658]

simply because its not considered a crime when women grope men? which they do all the time....ive had my cock grabbed 100s of times.....and no I didn't bother going to the police not even when the woman was rich

Hundreds of times? Hundreds?? Where have you been hanging around, truth :joker:.

Even when I was at Uni / out in clubs etc. a lot I can think of maybe 5 - 10 times when I've been "groped" by a random (usually an arse grab while stood at the bar).

It's literally never happened to me, nor any male I know, outside of a clubbing environment and I have to say Truth... you don't really strike me as a hardcore nightclub enthusiast?

[lostalex]

I get what you're saying Alex. If I serve an under-18 (gambling industry) it's me that can get a 6-month prison sentence or a £5000 fine, the person under 18 who has gambled isn't punished in any way. This is pretty obvious, because the entire point of the law is to protect young people, because they aren't yet fully able to protect themselves. That they will try to circumvent the law is fairly obvious - for exactly that reason - they are young and irresponsible, and so, it is up to us, as adults, to do our best to make sure they're protected.

thank you. it is very silly that somehow girls lying about their age when it comes to sex is treated differently. guess what, underage girls also lie about their age when they try to buy alcohol, but we never excuse bartenders for serving 14 y/o's just for claiming to be adults do we??

whereis this double standards coming from? it's coming from a patriarchy which imagines adult straight men are victims, and not children.

the concept of a child being more responsible for a crime than a grown adult man, it's ridiculous.

[the truth]

Hundreds of times? Hundreds?? Where have you been hanging around, truth :joker:.

Even when I was at Uni / out in clubs etc. a lot I can think of maybe 5 - 10 times when I've been "groped" by a random (usually an arse grab while stood at the bar).

It's literally never happened to me, nor any male I know, outside of a clubbing environment and I have to say Truth... you don't really strike me as a hardcore nightclub enthusiast?

100s of times....deal with it

[user104658]

100s of times....deal with it

You at least have to explain in what sorts of circumstances this is happening! At the moment I'm left assuming that you must spend several hours a day hanging around under bridges with crack junkies...

[lostalex]

truth, i really can't tell if you actually expect us to take you seriously, or if you are a sasha baron cohen type of troll that we should be laughing with...

[the truth]

thank you. it is very silly that somehow girls lying about their age when it comes to sex is treated differently. guess what, underage girls also lie about their age when they try to buy alcohol, but we never excuse bartenders for serving 14 y/o's just for claiming to be adults do we??

whereis this double standards coming from? it's coming from a patriarchy which imagines adult straight men are victims, and not children.

the concept of a child being more responsible for a crime than a grown adult man, it's ridiculous.

lots of 18+ year old women have had sex with under 18 year old men, yet rarely if ever is this reported and you choose to ignore it, because you hate hetrosexual men

[Tom4784]

simply because its not considered a crime when women grope men? which they do all the time....ive had my cock grabbed 100s of times.....and no I didn't bother going to the police not even when the woman was rich

I don't understand where you find all these extremely desperate women who don't love themselves tbh.

[the truth]

You at least have to explain in what sorts of circumstances this is happening! At the moment I'm left assuming that you must spend several hours a day hanging around under bridges with crack junkies...

I don't have to explain anything. Its partly the businesses Ive run and partly the situations ive been in. I speak the truth. and no im not a pimp:hehe:

[lostalex]

lots of 18+ year old women have had sex with under 18 year old men, yet rarely if ever is this reported and you choose to ignore it, because you hate hetrosexual men

no i don't hate heterosexual men, i hate child abusers.

I hate any situation in which an adult man is ****ing a 14 y/o child is abuse.

I'm confused by other people's definition of child abuse, i guess.

[lily.]

I don't have to explain anything. Its partly the businesses Ive run and partly the situations ive been in. I speak the truth. and no im not a pimp:hehe:

http://butlersinthebuff.co.uk/

[the truth]

I don't understand where you find all these extremely desperate women who don't love themselves tbh.

oh here comes the hero to pretend to now get offended on behalf of the entire female population just because I dare point out the fact women griope all the time...have you actually been to a gig packed with women? .lol desperate? ha ha they have good taste

[the truth]

no i don't hate heterosexual men, i hate child abusers.

I hate any situation in which an adult man is ****ing a 14 y/o child is abuse.

I'm confused by other people's definition of child abuse, i guess.

yes only adult MEN but not adult women...sexist man hater:nono:

[lostalex]

To be disbelieved by a liar like you is a compliment, so thanks:wavey:

just out of curiosity, what have i lied about?

most people accuse me of being too honest, so i'm genuinely interested to know in what way you think i'm a liar.

[lily.]

oh here comes the hero to pretend to now get offended on behalf of the entire female population just because I dare point out the fact women griope all the time...have you actually been to a gig packed with women? .lol desperate? ha ha they have good taste

http://31.media.tumblr.com/781c49680acc14909792edbb7a0f09d2/tumblr_mu5ov1QgJj1rsoxqjo1_500.gif

[Tom4784]

oh here comes the hero to pretend to now get offended on behalf of the entire female population just because I dare point out the fact women griope all the time...have you actually been to a gig packed with women? .lol desperate? ha ha they have good taste

The tastes of these imaginary women are certainly up for debate.

[the truth]

just out of curiosity, what have i lied about?

most people accuse me of being too honest, so i'm genuinely interested to know in what way you think i'm a liar.

you've got a massive chips on both shoulders against all hetrosexual men...et you deny it and lie about it....you ignore all the abuses by men against women and adult women against boys, so youre a liar. this is of course just the tip of your iceberg of disingenuousness

[lily.]

you've got a massive chips on both shoulders against all hetrosexual men...et you deny it and lie about it....you ignore all the abuses by men against women and adult women against boys, so youre a liar. this is of course just the tip of your iceberg of disingenuousness

That's a big word for a Monday.

[lostalex]

The tastes of these imaginary women are certainly up for debate.

i'm thinking he bumps into girls at a crowded bar and considers everyone he shoves out of his way sexually assaulting him.

[lostalex]

you've got a massive chips on both shoulders against all hetrosexual men...et you deny it and lie about it....you ignore all the abuses by men against women and adult women against boys, so youre a liar. this is of course just the tip of your iceberg of disingenuousness

ummm, sorry, but you are the liar. i have never defended adult women sleeping with underage boys, or adult men sleeping with boys either. sexuality and gender has nothing to do with my opinions on this matter, in fact i've even tried to be as gender neutral as possible. if an adult ****s a child, i'm very much against it.

I made a very specific point about the law being the law. no exceptions.

[Mystic Mock]

Pmsl at The Truth having his cock grabbed 100 times.:joker:

But seriously Lostalex in what way was he suppose to find out this girl's age? If his innocent? And with your Bartender argument, if the Bartender didn't know the child and they looked 18, then of course I can understand if they accidently sold the child Alcohol, I would like to think that most of us would because by the time that I was 14 I knew not to dupe 18/19 year old girls into sleeping with me (like they ever would anyway lol) and I knew not to try and get Alcohol for myself by duping adults.

So yes the responsibility is with the children at that point.

[Mystic Mock]

Pmsl at The Truth having his cock grabbed 100 times.:joker:

But seriously Lostalex in what way was he suppose to find out this girl's age? If his innocent? And with your Bartender argument, if the Bartender didn't know the child and they looked 18, then of course I can understand if they accidently sold the child Alcohol, I would like to think that most of us would because by the time that I was 14 I knew not to dupe 18/19 year old girls into sleeping with me (like they ever would anyway lol) and I knew not to try and get Alcohol for myself by duping adults.

So yes the responsibility is with the children at that point.

[the truth]

The tastes of these imaginary women are certainly up for debate.

sorry dezzy I cant play your predictable game and the caricature of a male with a big ego, ive got a small willy, im not good looking, yet still 100s of women have groped me and many of my co workers and none of us ever complained we just got on with life.....meanwhile we of course ignore the endless women who tear the clothes off male rock stars the world over for the past 50 years.....but dave lee travis touched a womans bottom and 1974 and hes going down????????

[Tom4784]

you've got a massive chips on both shoulders against all hetrosexual men...et you deny it and lie about it....you ignore all the abuses by men against women and adult women against boys, so youre a liar. this is of course just the tip of your iceberg of disingenuousness

Aww, those poor heterosexuals, they've suffered so much. Damn those evil gays and vagina people for daring to assume that heterosexual men aren't the centre of the universe :fist:

[Tom4784]

sorry dezzy I cant play your predictable game and the caricature of a male with a big ego, ive got a small willy, im not good looking, yet still 100s of women have groped me and many of my co workers and none of us ever complained we just got on with life.....meanwhile we of course ignore the endless women who tear the clothes off male rock stars the world over for the past 50 years.....but dave lee travis touched a womans bottom and 1974 and hes going down????????

https://31.media.tumblr.com/1de0038dbdbcde36730a168415c9907e/tumblr_inline_nfixpfT9se1s4imf3.gif

[lostalex]

Pmsl at The Truth having his cock grabbed 100 times.:joker:

But seriously Lostalex in what way was he suppose to find out this girl's age? If his innocent? And with your Bartender argument, if the Bartender didn't know the child and they looked 18, then of course I can understand if they accidently sold the child Alcohol, I would like to think that most of us would because by the time that I was 14 I knew not to dupe 18/19 year old girls into sleeping with me (like they ever would anyway lol) and I knew not to try and get Alcohol for myself by duping adults.

So yes the responsibility is with the children at that point.

i disagree, the responsibility is never with the children.

I still get carded occasionally when i buy alcohol and i'm a 33 y/o man. so don't tell me that it's impossible to check ages on girls you sleep with. in fact i think most girls would be flattered by that. if a girl doesn't have ID and acts offended guess what, she's probably underage! i know i'm flattered when i get carded.

[the truth]

ummm, sorry, but you are the liar. i have never defended adult women sleeping with underage boys, or adult men sleeping with boys either. sexuality and gender has nothing to do with my opinions on this matter, in fact i've even tried to be as gender neutral as possible. if an adult ****s a child, i'm very much against it.

I made a very specific point about the law being the law. no exceptions.

you asked for the opinn of the truth and you got it, now youre crying like a little baby....its high time you stopped condoning womens behaviour. women abuse too and get away with it far far far more than men. you've never ever criticised the adult women grooming and groping men and especialy younger men. its time you took just as strong a stand against them as you do against the hetrosexual men you hate

[lily.]

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[Benjamin]

oh here comes the hero to pretend to now get offended on behalf of the entire female population just because I dare point out the fact women griope all the time...have you actually been to a gig packed with women? .lol desperate? ha ha they have good taste

Men also grab other men all the time. ;)

[the truth]

Aww, those poor heterosexuals, they've suffered so much. Damn those evil gays and vagina people for daring to assume that heterosexual men aren't the centre of the universe :fist:

sexist double standards again, yet were all supposed to scream rape because dave lee travis touched a womans bottom in the 1970s....sexist hypocrite:nono:

[Amy Jade]

im cackling at this thread

[lostalex]

dezzy, you are a mod, can you please tell us his real name, so we can stop referring to him as the truth?

every time i address him as "truth" i throw up a little inside.

[the truth]

Men also grab other men all the time. ;)

gay men have touched my willy too against my wishes and again despite the fact it gave me no pleasure, I chose not to waste polices time with this and got on with life.....I didn't see it as a gold digging opportunity like so many of these people

[Benjamin]

gay men have touched my willy too against my wishes and again despite the fact it gave me no pleasure, I chose not to waste polices time with this and got on with life.....I didn't see it as a gold digging opportunity like so many of these people

did you secretly enjoy it? ;)

[the truth]

dezzy, you are a mod, can you please tell us his real name, so we can stop referring to him as the truth?

every time i address him as "truth" i throw up a little inside.

THE truth and nothing but the truth. deal with it.

[lostalex]

gay men have touched my willy too against my wishes and again despite the fact it gave me no pleasure, I chose not to waste polices time with this and got on with life.....I didn't see it as a gold digging opportunity like so many of these people

i think you might be a 14 y/o girl, so i would not **** you.

your stories don't add up, and you are clearly immature.


see how easy that was for me? that's exactly how easy it is.

[the truth]

did you secretly enjoy it? ;)

with one or 2 of the laydees yes, but alas not the fellas....no doubt alex will think that makes me anti gay lol

[the truth]

i think you might be a 14 y/o girl, so i would not **** you.

your stories don't add up, and you are clearly immature.


see how easy that was for me? that's exactly how easy it is.

MY stories don't fit into your pitiful view of the world. You think im anti gay but im not, im just anti YOU

[Mystic Mock]

sorry dezzy I cant play your predictable game and the caricature of a male with a big ego, ive got a small willy, im not good looking, yet still 100s of women have groped me and many of my co workers and none of us ever complained we just got on with life.....meanwhile we of course ignore the endless women who tear the clothes off male rock stars the world over for the past 50 years.....but dave lee travis touched a womans bottom and 1974 and hes going down????????

I agree with you to an extent.

[Amy Jade]

I agree with you to an extent.

the small willy part?

[Mystic Mock]

i disagree, the responsibility is never with the children.

I still get carded occasionally when i buy alcohol and i'm a 33 y/o man. so don't tell me that it's impossible to check ages on girls you sleep with. in fact i think most girls would be flattered by that. if a girl doesn't have ID and acts offended guess what, she's probably underage! i know i'm flattered when i get carded.

I get where you're coming from, but I would imagine that it's a mood killer asking someone are you a child or a young adult?

[the truth]

I actually agree with alex that a man (AND A WOMAN) must now ask for id before he has sex with anyone. even then check the validity of the id. also its high time men complained about women who grope them...or pester them or make endless lewd comments especially in the workplace. why should guys always laugh it off?

[Mystic Mock]

the small willy part?

That and that women can get away with more sexual violations than men can.

Just see an interview with Joel McHale getting his shirt ripped off.

[lostalex]

I get where you're coming from, but I would imagine that it's a mood killer asking someone are you a child or a young adult?

well let's think of the options here...

the options presented to an adult man who might not be sure of the age of his very young woman(?) that he wants to ****....

either you kill the mood with an adult woman, or you rape a 14 y/o girl.

which side of that equation seems more important?

[Mystic Mock]

Staying away from the Prisons.

[lostalex]

Staying away from the Prisons.

yea, that seems like the logical choice... and like we agreed upon earlier, it is ALWAYS the adults job to take responsibility.

just like when you've had a few drinks when you go out, and you feel like you aren't sure if you should drive or not, but you really don't want to have to take a cab home, and then take a cab to pick up your car the next morning, sometimes making the right choice is hard. but since when is it okay to make the wrong choice just because it's easier?

never. it's never okay.