The Milk Crisis : Cows dragged into a store

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/10/410820/default/v3/cegrab-20150810-004714-164-1-736x414.jpg
No need to March 2 Cows
down My AsdaWalmart.

http://news.sky.com/story/1532985/cows-in-supermarket-as-milk-crisis-summit-held


The Supermarkets say they pay more to Farmer
and take the Cut in price , themselves.
We need Facts and Numbers

In any case I do not care if the Price Goes Up
I want my milk for Top Notch Kenya Tea.

[Livia]

I'm with the farmers on this one. They asked a very fair question: how come supermarkets charge more for some bottles of water than they do for four pints of milk?

I would gladly pay a bit more for milk to support British dairy farms because when they're gone, they're gone for good.

[karezza]

Calf food.

[smudgie]

Milk is far too cheap.
I reckon another 50p on a 4 pint bottle would go some way to helping.
I am hoping all milk in our supermarkets is British.

[Kazanne]

I don't like seeing the cows taken through the stores,but,I do have empathy for the farmers,I'de pay more for milk.

[arista]

I don't like seeing the cows taken through the stores,but,I do have empathy for the farmers,I'de pay more for milk.


Me To Kaz

[joeysteele]

Yeah, I would have no objection to paying more for milk at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/10/410820/default/v3/cegrab-20150810-004714-164-1-736x414.jpg
No need to March 2 Cows
down My AsdaWalmart.

http://news.sky.com/story/1532985/cows-in-supermarket-as-milk-crisis-summit-held


The Supermarkets say they pay more to Farmer
and take the Cut in price , themselves.
We need Facts and Numbers

In any case I do not care if the Price Goes Up
I want my milk for Top Notch Kenya Tea.

walking past the cold shelves like that..

they must be Friesian

[user104658]

I'd happily pay 4x as much for milk...

Well, I'd happily take 4x as much from work to buy milk and put through as staff expenses and then take a little bottle of it home with me for coffee.

It's for the farmers, innit!

[user104658]

In all seriousness though, I buy the 2 litre containers of milk for £1 for home because it seems like the best value for money, and then 1.5 litres of it ends up going out of date and getting poured down the drain... which is quite awful, I suppose. It only gets used for coffee. So really, I could (and probably should) pay the same £1 for a small 500ml bottle and not actually notice any difference.

We go through it like water at work but, as I said above, that's not out of my pocket so... :shrug: :hehe:

[Livia]

walking past the cold shelves like that..

they must be Friesian

LOL... then groan... then LOL again.

[lostalex]

I'm with the farmers on this one. They asked a very fair question: how come supermarkets charge more for some bottles of water than they do for four pints of milk?

I would gladly pay a bit more for milk to support British dairy farms because when they're gone, they're gone for good.

i don't see what selling water has to do with selling milk.

maybe the answer is that the dairy farmers are already getting subsidies from the government to keep the price affordable, but the companies that sell bottled water are not receiving any subsidies from the government?

no one needs to buy bottled water, it is a luxury, so of course they can charge whatever they like.... but milk is part of what we consider a food staple, so of course the government wants to make it as affordable as possible for the common man.

no one needs bottled water, it comes out of taps all over the country for free. milk is a nutritious commodity that all britons should have access to for an affordable price though.

are we really criticizing the government for making milk more affordable for poor people???

[lily.]

I'm with the farmers on this one. They asked a very fair question: how come supermarkets charge more for some bottles of water than they do for four pints of milk?

I would gladly pay a bit more for milk to support British dairy farms because when they're gone, they're gone for good.

This. 100%

There was a protest at our Morrisons, but I missed it, unfortunately.

[lostalex]

This. 100%

There was a protest at our Morrisons, but I missed it, unfortunately.

because bottled water is a luxury and milk is part of the basic british diet. so obviously a luxury should cost more...

[the truth]

any facts and figures?

[lily.]

because bottled water is a luxury and milk is part of the basic british diet. so obviously a luxury should cost more...

I support the farmers. I would pay a wee bit extra for it to keep them in business. We go through approximately 4 x 2L bottles per week, costing us 4 x 89p (£3.56) per week. It wouldn't kill my budget or anyone else's if the milk cost me an extra quid a week.

[lostalex]

I support the farmers. I would pay a wee bit extra for it to keep them in business. We go through approximately 4 x 2L bottles per week, costing us 4 x 89p (£3.56) per week. It wouldn't kill my budget or anyone else's if the milk cost me an extra quid a week.

well maybe they should set up[ a tip jar at the cash register for people like you to donate to the dairy farmers then. but don't ruin it for all the struggling people who need to buy basic groceries to feed their families. some struggling families would like to give their children a glass of milk every morning with breakfast.

They shouldn't have to pay more than they can afford just because you romanticize farms (and trust me if you saw the reality of those dairy farms you would be boycotting them) The cattle on those farms are kept in tiny pathetic cages and milked dry, milk that was designed for baby calfs (by the way, those baby calfs get shipped off to another part of the farm to either be raised for beef, or some other horrible fate)

[lily.]

I do see the reality of them. I'm not romanticising anything. I live in the countryside.

[lostalex]

Cecil the Lion...

http://www.koat.com/image/view/-/34404204/highRes/3/-/maxh/480/maxw/640/-/9ohgxoz/-/cecil-the-lion-jpg.jpg

[Will.]

Milk is cheap, not sure about the cows going in...

[Will.]

Justice for milk

[waterhog]

when i go shopping - i have seen plenty of moody cows.

[lostalex]

when i go shopping - i have seen plenty of moody cows.

i'm reading this to the beat and melody of iggy azealia's "fancy".

because poetry!

[Will.]

when i go shopping - i have seen plenty of moody cows.

omg :joker:

[Will.]

i'm reading this to the beat and melody of iggy azealia's "fancy". because poetry!

lmao

[Kizzy]

In all seriousness though, I buy the 2 litre containers of milk for £1 for home because it seems like the best value for money, and then 1.5 litres of it ends up going out of date and getting poured down the drain... which is quite awful, I suppose. It only gets used for coffee. So really, I could (and probably should) pay the same £1 for a small 500ml bottle and not actually notice any difference.

We go through it like water at work but, as I said above, that's not out of my pocket so... :shrug: :hehe:

Don't your brats drink it, or your wife if she's nursing?

I think keeping the costs up as it's such a staple is important, we wouldn't want them compromising on standards on the farm which may have an impact on the animals and/or the product.
Undercutting one another for pennies is silly who really trawls to an out of the way supermarket to get a pint 2p cheaper?

[user104658]

Don't your brats drink it, or your wife if she's nursing?

They actually all have milk protein allergy so, nope :joker:. Lots of Almond milk and Coconut milk here. Both of which are absolutely foul in coffee...

They're also both quite a bit more expensive than cowboob milk, come to think of it...

[Kizzy]

They actually all have milk protein allergy so, nope :joker:. Lots of Almond milk and Coconut milk here. Both of which are absolutely foul in coffee...

They're also both quite a bit more expensive than cowboob milk, come to think of it...

Ah right is that casin or something? I've heard of people becoming lactose intolerant think that's a sugar though.
It is odd how so many people are having these reactions to milk, I'm wondering if it isn't the processing there's studies that say pasturisation isn't that great for milk, the organic milk we get is homogenised :/
I'd love to try raw milk.

[the truth]

so the quest for actual facts and figures goes on? sigh....how much are they paying to produce and being paid by the supermarkets and what are the subsidies amounting to?

[billy123]

They should bring back the Milk Marketing Board and make them completely independent and profit free and give the the power to set prices based on farmers and processors costs and retailers profit margins so everybody gets a fair piece of the pie.

The big retailers have used really cheap milk (and bread) as a way to get people into their stores for years. There is a reason why milk and bread are always at the far end of the supermarket they cottoned on years ago that if you put the things that everybody needs to buy at the back of the store and make them as cheap as possible you sell more of everything else along the way.

It is unfair on the farmers to be used like that.
If you buy milk if you look for the red tractor logo then you can be assured the farmer received a fair price.
http://www.redtractor.org.uk/contentfiles/editor/images/red-tractor-logo_col_spot.png

[billy123]

Ah right is that casin or something? I've heard of people becoming lactose intolerant think that's a sugar though.
It is odd how so many people are having these reactions to milk, I'm wondering if it isn't the processing there's studies that say pasturisation isn't that great for milk, the organic milk we get is homogenised :/
I'd love to try raw milk.Im Lactose intolerant and its a bloody curse i hate it. Nearly all mammals on earth become lactose intolerant after childhood it is natures way. Your body no longer needs to feed on milk after childhood so it stops producing the lactase enzyme.
Humans tolerance of lactose in a lot of people comes from a gene mutation that became dominant in parts of Europe and North America. 70%+ of the world has some intolerance to Lactose so your the weird ones really. :hehe:

I dont know much about milk protein allergy but i imagine its worse as its an allergy whereas if i have too much dairy i just shart myself inside out.

[lostalex]

Im Lactose intolerant and its a bloody curse i hate it. Nearly all mammals on earth become lactose intolerant after childhood it is natures way. Humans tolerance of lactose in a lot of people comes from a gene mutation that became dominant in parts of Europe and North America. 65% of the world has some intolerance to Lactose so your the weird ones really. :hehe:

that number is a bit misleading, it's mostly asians that are lactose intolerant. obviously China and India are the biggest countries in the world, so most of the lacto-intolerants are from those countries in the world.

The rest of us are loving our dairy consumption!

[lostalex]

Thats not misleading in any way whatsoever over 70% of people in the world have a reduced tolerance of dairy. where they come from is irrelevant.

It has to be done sometimes i ate a big bowl of ice cream a while ago and ended up sat on the toilet shouting "im not sorry it was worth it" for about 2 hours (it wasnt worth it).
If a Lax-intol says stay away you better be listening to him you go trying to plug that up and it could go off like a geyser.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Strokkur_Geyser_Eruption.gif

lol, trust me i stayed away, i just found it a bit hipocritical. trust me it ruined the mood for sure. and it made me eye him up anyime he ordered anything with cheese or if he had ice cream, i was like well i guess i'm not getting any tonight!

for the record i only dated him for 2 months. it was a quick lesson. (and he was malaysian of chinese decent) that's how i n ow about the fact that it['s mostly asians that have that disorder. he tried to make it seem like he had no control over it based on his race, but of course he had control over not eating cheese or dairy, atleast as much control as i had over my smoking.

it was a shame, cause i am extremely attracted to asian guys, and he was my first asian guy, but now i know from now on, ask up front, are you lacto?? #datingasianmentips

[billy123]

lol, trust me i stayed away, i just found it a bit hipocritical. trust me it ruined the mood for sure. and it made me eye him up anyime he ordered anything with cheese or if he had ice cream, i was like well i guess i'm not getting any tonight!

for the record i only dated him for 2 months. it was a quick lesson. (and he was malaysian of chinese decent) that's how i n ow about the fact that it['s mostly asians that have that disorder. he tried to make it seem like he had no control over it based on his race, but of course he had control over not eating cheese or dairy, atleast as much control as i had over my smoking.

it was a shame, cause i am extremely attracted to asian guys, and he was my first asian guy, but now i know from now on, ask up front, are you lacto?? #datingasianmentipsHahaha thats bloody funny dude you have opened up a whole problem area of lactose intolerance that had never crossed my mind :joker:

But getting back to the topic you genetic mutants that drink juices intended for baby cows look for the red tractor.

http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/pictures/180xAny/4/6/6/16466_Red-Tractor-logo.jpg

[Kizzy]

Aw poor Bob that sounds awful, you can make Ice cream from coconut milk and bananas you know :)
Milk and dairy have been cut from my diet during the last two months, and I have to say I feel a LOT better too, my auto immune response was inflammation different to yours thankfully :hehe:

[user104658]

Im Lactose intolerant and its a bloody curse i hate it. Nearly all mammals on earth become lactose intolerant after childhood it is natures way. Your body no longer needs to feed on milk after childhood so it stops producing the lactase enzyme.
Humans tolerance of lactose in a lot of people comes from a gene mutation that became dominant in parts of Europe and North America. 70%+ of the world has some intolerance to Lactose so your the weird ones really. :hehe:

I dont know much about milk protein allergy but i imagine its worse as its an allergy whereas if i have too much dairy i just shart myself inside out.
None of them have a severe allergy it is mainly just a sore stomach followed by the inevitable toilet session. My 5 year old is not the world's best at being dairy free. Swapping her snacks at school for chocolate, for example! She's usually fine until about 1am and then we're up for hours... Haha.

But yeah the major difference is that they can't have any of the lactose free dairy products either as removing the lactose actually makes things worse. It also means that low-rate dairy (skimmed milk, etc.) is actually much worse than full-fat because less fat = more milk protein.

Some of the coconut substitutes are actually OK though, there's a dairy free cornetto alternative that even has the little chocolate end (soy chocolate) and it tastes almost identical to "real" ice cream. My daughter is also a big fan of chocolate milkshake, made with Nesquick powder and almond milk, and it's actually alright!

[kirklancaster]

walking past the cold shelves like that..

they must be Friesian

:joker::joker::joker: No bull LT, it's their own fault though - they should heifer put a jersey on or continue to freeze their bullocks off :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Thats not misleading in any way whatsoever over 70% of people in the world have a reduced tolerance of dairy. where they come from is irrelevant.

It has to be done sometimes i ate a big bowl of ice cream a while ago and ended up sat on the toilet shouting "im not sorry it was worth it" for about 2 hours (it wasnt worth it).
If a Lax-intol says stay away you better be listening to him you go trying to plug that up and it could go off like a geyser.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Strokkur_Geyser_Eruption.gif

:laugh: Sorry Bob - but it is humorous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker::joker::joker: No bull LT, it's their own fault though - they should heifer put a jersey on or continue to freeze their bullocks off :laugh:

I knew you would come up with an udder one :spin:

[arista]

Morrisons will start soon a
a Milk brand 10p more
with money going back to the Farmers

[kirklancaster]

I knew you would come up with an udder one :spin:

:laugh: And I knew you'd milk this subject for all it's worth :hehe: (Which according to this thread ain't much:joker:)

[Wizard.]

It's sad that a 500ml bottle of fizzy drinks is like £1.30 yet a 4 pint milk is only £1 or less they definitely should raise milk prices.

[arista]

It's sad that a 500ml bottle of fizzy drinks is like £1.30 yet a 4 pint milk is only £1 or less they definitely should raise milk prices.

Morrisons will give
you a choice.

10p more for
Milk from a New Farmers Brand

I think other Supermarkets
will soon follow

[Livia]

Morrisons will give
you a choice.

10p more for
Milk from a New Farmers Brand

I think other Supermarkets
will soon follow

Good ol' Morrisons. I'll definitely buy it, not that I drink that much milk... but I think they'll be surprised how many people are willing to support the dairy farmers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good ol' Morrisons. I'll definitely buy it, not that I drink that much milk... but I think they'll be surprised how many people are willing to support the dairy farmers.

yup

I like Morrisons

they are heading in the right direction

[karezza]

Milk causes mucus.

[Kizzy]

None of them have a severe allergy it is mainly just a sore stomach followed by the inevitable toilet session. My 5 year old is not the world's best at being dairy free. Swapping her snacks at school for chocolate, for example! She's usually fine until about 1am and then we're up for hours... Haha.

But yeah the major difference is that they can't have any of the lactose free dairy products either as removing the lactose actually makes things worse. It also means that low-rate dairy (skimmed milk, etc.) is actually much worse than full-fat because less fat = more milk protein.

Some of the coconut substitutes are actually OK though, there's a dairy free cornetto alternative that even has the little chocolate end (soy chocolate) and it tastes almost identical to "real" ice cream. My daughter is also a big fan of chocolate milkshake, made with Nesquick powder and almond milk, and it's actually alright!

You can get an ice cream maker from argos now for £10, she could make some chocolate ice cream! :D

[Kizzy]

'Aldi and Morrisons have announced they will increase the price they pay suppliers for milk after bowing to growing pressure from dairy farmers about the crisis in the industry.

Aldi, the discount supermarket, said it would pay a minimum of 28p per litre for liquid milk from Monday, following talks with farmers and unions, while Morrisons will pay 26p per litre

The increase was announced after Asda said on Thursday it would also pay 28p per litre. This means that Aldi, Morrisons and Asda have committed to pay more than the current average price paid to farmers of 23.66p per litre.'

They could've just lowered their profit margin... :/

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/aug/14/milk-row-aldi-morrisons-asda-raise-price

[arista]

Asda To Pay More For Milk To Help Farmers
http://news.sky.com/story/1535461/asda-to-pay-more-for-milk-to-help-farmers

well done AsdaWalmart

[MTVN]

It was some farmers I know quite well who helped kick start a lot of the protests doing the milk trolley challenge near me where they cleared the local Morrisons shelves of milk. I support them and am glad that it seems to be having an impact.

[Kizzy]

Yes when you know people who are affected it makes their plight all the more real doesn't it?
Maybe we should all imagine we know a tube driver, and a nurse and a steelworker and all the other jobs that are at risk today.