Biggest BB producer mistakes?

[Cal.]

What do you think are the biggest mistakes made by the producers of BB? (Can be UK or whatever other format you want)

Mine: (all from BBUK)

1. Allowing a housemate to be voted back in in BB7. I loved Nikki and loved the twist obviously, but Nikki's return resulted in the ultimate downfall of BB from 2007 onwards.

2. Getting Jade back in the house, again I love Jade, but it caused the racism scandal which again led to the ultimate downfall of BB from 2007 onwards.

3. All female cast on launch in BB8 - I personally loved it but AGAIN it resulted in the downfall of BB from 2007 onwards.

4. Vote to Evict in the quadruple eviction in BB11 instead of Vote to Save/Vote to Win. Robbed the final civilian series on Channel 4 of having an amazing final with Josie, Corin, John James and Sam all having large fanbases which would make it completely unpredictable.

5. The Newbie Eviction in BB15 - robbed BB15 of Biannca - who was a major source of entertainment and would have brightened up the bleak and dark second half of BB15 - even if she'd only survived until the following Friday.

6. The swapping of noms for 4in4out in BB16 - the producers swapped the nominations in order to save Jade (who had seemingly promised to provide drama in the DR with a rant one night) and Eileen - both who turned out to be quite dull in their time in the house (besides brief moments from both). We were then robbed of Harriet, Amy and Sally and Sarah who all (in my opinion) would have given a lot more to the series.

What are the biggest BB producer mistakes in your opinion?

[Jason.]

Big Brother: Timebomb

[Daniel.]

BB7 having the whole house up was awful when Jayne broke the rules, as if it wasn't for that Nikki might have made it to the final without the twist.

Also having Susie nominate when she knew Grace was hated, it meant we lost the series villain far too early and the show wasn't as good without her.

[Oaker]

4in4out literally killed BB16 which was looking to become a great series so

[Cal.]

BB7 having the whole house up was awful when Jayne broke the rules, as if it wasn't for that Nikki might have made it to the final without the twist.

Also having Susie nominate when she knew Grace was hated, it meant we lost the series villain far too early and the show wasn't as good without her.

When Lisa won the task meant to save Grace:joker:

[LukeB]

1.Giving some housemates more airtime than others, because we don't have live feed we don't get to see what other housemates are really like so they get branded boring because people like Marc/Ashleigh/Helen etc are shoved down the viewers throats.

2.4in4out, should have been a double at least, Evicting 4 was too much.

3.Final Pass

4.Sam getting evicted even though she got saved by the public.

5.Ejecting just Emma and letting others get away with it.

[MB.]

Biannca would have ruined the second half of BB15 even further by gunning for Ashleigh and sucking up to Helen, and did you seriously just suggest that Harriet and Sarah should have stayed over Jade and Eileen? I think I need a lie down.

(also Harry and Sam > anyone evicted in 4in4out apart from maybe the twins so)

[Jason.]

Most of BB8's twists were pointless as ****.

All-female launch, £100k giveaway, Halfway House

[Daniel.]

Others:

BB11: quadruple eviction
BB5: Ejecting Emma and not the others involved
BB10: The non housemate twist
BB13: The early eviction
BB14: Letting the public nominate week 1
BB15: Final pass, Danielle and Biannca's evictions
BB16: Everything, I don't care about 4 in 4 out but I would have rather it hadn't happened because we wouldn't have got Marc. I still think it's a myth that the first two weeks of BB16 were anything more than plain dull though

[Daniel.]

When Lisa won the task meant to save Grace:joker:

Both legends

[Daniel.]

When Lisa won the task meant to save Grace:joker:

Both legends.

[Jason.]

Allowing discussion of nominations during the first few weeks of BB13.

[Firewire]

Biannca would have ruined the second half of BB15 even further by gunning for Ashleigh and sucking up to Helen, and did you seriously just suggest that Harriet and Sarah should have stayed over Jade and Eileen? I think I need a lie down.

(also Harry and Sam > anyone evicted in 4in4out apart from maybe the twins so)

:clap1:

[Daniel.]

Allowing discussion of nominations during the first few weeks of BB13.

That was amazing and set the bitchy and argumentative tone for the series which I loved. :love:

[Daniel.]

Eileen is overrated as **** she was barely visible most of the time.

[Cal.]

Biannca would have ruined the second half of BB15 even further by gunning for Ashleigh and sucking up to Helen, and did you seriously just suggest that Harriet and Sarah should have stayed over Jade and Eileen? I think I need a lie down.

(also Harry and Sam > anyone evicted in 4in4out apart from maybe the twins so)

Yes - I did suggest it. Jade had ONE entertaining night (which was the night of 4in4out) and then faded into obscurity until her eviction. Eileen was nominated by Simon, caused him to fake cry and was then evicted. Her BOTS appearances were more entertaining than her entire time in the house - she is massively overrated and Harriet and Sarah would have been far more valued as housemates imo.

(I don't hate Jade - but literally spent so much time after 4in4out questioning where she was. She did nothing.)

Harriet's meltdowns and Sarah as a whole (she was shaping up to be the main focus of the series imo)>>>>Eileen.

[Daniel-X]

Just because it hasn't been mentioned

Bringing in Aisleyne in BB16 after Brian walked was such a bad move we'd already had two weeks of time warp housemates and the other housemates deserved to have some air time as it was their series. Then we had another week of time warp basically with hotel from hell.

[Oaker]

Eileen is overrated as **** she was barely visible most of the time.

I agree she is overrated, but Eileen, Amy and Sally vs Jade was like the best storyline of BB16 :laugh:

[Daniel-X]

I for one am glad they put up the ones who hadn't been nominated for #4in4out. Kieran would've coasted to the end and Sarah had nothing to offer other than her ****ty showmance with Danny (people act like she had loads of potential no she didn't lol)

Jade and Eileen brought loads to BB16 tbh and certainly more than Sarah and Harriet

[Daniel.]

Jade was good, Eileen and the twins were incredibly overrated and brought nothing.

[Daniel.]

Jade was good, Eileen and the twins were incredibly overrated and brought nothing. ,

[MB.]

Yes - I did suggest it. Jade had ONE entertaining night (which was the night of 4in4out) and then faded into obscurity until her eviction. Eileen was nominated by Simon, caused him to fake cry and was then evicted. Her BOTS appearances were more entertaining than her entire time in the house - she is massively overrated and Harriet and Sarah would have been far more valued as housemates imo.

(I don't hate Jade - but literally spent so much time after 4in4out questioning where she was. She did nothing.)

Harriet's meltdowns and Sarah as a whole (she was shaping up to be the main focus of the series imo)>>>>Eileen.

Harriet and especially Sarah were abysmal so no thanks

[Liam-]

I was fine with everyone who got evicted during 4 in 4 out, apart from the twins, Sarah had nothing to offer, Kieran was nice but dull and Harriet while I liked her, probably would have started to grate after a while so whatever.

[Cal.]

I for one am glad they put up the ones who hadn't been nominated for #4in4out. Kieran would've coasted to the end and Sarah had nothing to offer other than her ****ty showmance with Danny (people act like she had loads of potential no she didn't lol)

Jade and Eileen brought loads to BB16 tbh and certainly more than Sarah and Harriet

Well obviously since they stayed longer. I'm just saying in hindsight I would have much preferred Harriet, Sarah and Amy and Sally stay over Jade and Eileen as both didn't turn out as promised. Sarah and Harriet had so much more to give.

[Daniel-X]

I can't believe still act like Sarah was something special. She has nothing other than a resting butch face and a ****ty showmance and her treatment of Joel after Aaron's removal was disgusting

[Daniel.]

How boring

[Cal.]

I can't believe still act like Sarah was something special. She has nothing other than a resting butch face and a ****ty showmance and her treatment of Joel after Aaron's removal was disgusting

lmao it certainly wasn't it was deserved.

Sarah spoke so much sense.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Just out of curiosity- do people think that the Nikki controversy then race row are responsible for the downfall of BB did it just reach it's peak and then a natural decline followed? If it weren't for these things, could Big Brother still be on Channel 4 now?

[Liam-]

I can't believe still act like Sarah was something special. She has nothing other than a resting butch face and a ****ty showmance and her treatment of Joel after Aaron's removal was disgusting

Spill that tea

[EspeonBB]

If Sarah stayed she would have just continued her showmance with Danny which would have eaten up the highlights and ain't nobody got time for that. Harriet would have provided messy meltdowns and the twins were hilarious, both were robbed :(

Tbh it would have been better if 4In4Out didn't happen in the first place but oh well

[Cal.]

Just out of curiosity- do people think that the Nikki controversy then race row are responsible for the downfall of BB did it just reach it's peak and then a natural decline followed? If it weren't for these things, could Big Brother still be on Channel 4 now?

It was a combination of Nikki's return/racism row/BB8 female launch which was the cause of BB's downfall imo. I don't think it'd still be on Channel 4 now - it's been insinuated that everyone involved with it hated it towards the end but it possibly could have made it to BB13 idk?

[Oaker]

Then if 4in4out never happened Jade would have gone, it was a lose lose situation tbh

[Daniel-X]

lmao it certainly wasn't it was deserved.

Sarah spoke so much sense.

Lmao it wasn't deserved it all :umm2: woman wants to be a LAWYER. She basically might as well have said to him 'It's all your fault that Aaron rubbed his penis all over you' and her saying she would never be sexually assualted as she would make boundaries clear.

She's pathetic and I hope nobody ever has the misfortune of having her as a lawyer

[LukeB]

welp at the Sarah convo again

like the haters bring up Sarah more than the fans do

[Daniel-X]

I brought up Sarah because apparently she was better than Eileen and Jade which is the biggest lie I've ever had the misfortune of reading

[Cal.]

Lmao it wasn't deserved it all :umm2: woman wants to be a LAWYER. She basically might as well have said to him 'It's all your fault that Aaron rubbed his penis all over you' and her saying she would never be sexually assualted as she would make boundaries clear.

She's pathetic and I hope nobody ever has the misfortune of having her as a lawyer

Joel had no problem with what Aaron did until the producers made it clear they were taking it seriously - then he spoke about how he didn't like it. Sarah was right in how she said he never set boundaries - he sometimes joined in with Aaron.

[Liam-]

welp at the Sarah convo again

like the haters bring up Sarah more than the fans do

Cal mentioned Sarah in the OP though so

[Daniel-X]

Joel had no problem with what Aaron did until the producers made it clear they were taking it seriously - then he spoke about how he didn't like it. Sarah was right in how she said he never set boundaries - he sometimes joined in with Aaron.

How was he meant to set boundaries? Him and Aaron were just pretty good friends and Aaron took advantage of the saturation I don't get how he was meant to set boundaries. It's like me and one of my friends being good mates then one of them sexually harassing me it's just wrong

[EspeonBB]

Then if 4in4out never happened Jade would have gone, it was a lose lose situation tbh

mmm true. But I would be willing to lose Jade (despite her probably being my fave of the season) in order to see what Harriet and the twins would have done (especially with Marc and Helen in the house - they would not have taken their ****). I didn't miss Sarah or Kieran tho

[Pete.]

The first thing that sprung to mind was the door being left open in the HND

[AProducer'sWetDream]

It was a combination of Nikki's return/racism row/BB8 female launch which was the cause of BB's downfall imo. I don't think it'd still be on Channel 4 now - it's been insinuated that everyone involved with it hated it towards the end but it possibly could have made it to BB13 idk?

The impression I got from a lot of documentaries/interviews was that Channel 4 saw it as being more hassle than it was worth- there were so many complaints and controversies within just one or two years that some people thought it would damage their reputation if it continued so didn't renew the contracts.

To me it's remarkably similar to what happened to BB Australia on Channel 10- there was a lot of snobbery and even an MP (it may even have been the Australian Prime Minister) said it should be taken off air. I guess BB is a difficult show to produce because it can be so unpredictable- you can either try to contain it and make it more family friendly (like BBAUS 2012-2014- look how well that worked out), or let everything play out naturally and face the tidal wave of negativity from some parts of society and the media when something goes wrong.

[Cal.]

How was he meant to set boundaries? Him and Aaron were just pretty good friends and Aaron took advantage of the saturation I don't get how he was meant to set boundaries. It's like me and one of my friends being good mates then one of them sexually harassing me it's just wrong

How about not laughing about it if you're really trying to make it clear you want it stopped? I'm sure if you were being 'sexually harassed' by a friend you'd laugh at them?

[Jason.]

I dont really understand the Amy and Sally love, TBH.

They were also dullards. They spent the first week sleeping early and didn't get involved in any of the fun in the house, and then turned into moody bitches when someone even dared suggesting if they could use their eggs to bake a cake. I mean they got more votes to evict than Harriet, FFS.

[LukeB]

I dont really understand the Amy and Sally love, TBH.

They were also dullards. They spent the first week sleeping early and didn't get involved in any of the fun in the house, and then turned into moody bitches when someone even dared suggesting if they could use their eggs to bake a cake.

I agree

waits for MB to bring up i'm a Sarah fan because i can't have an opinion because i like Sarah.

[Jason.]

waits for MB to bring up i'm a Sarah fan because i can't have an opinion because i like Sarah.

:laugh:

[Cal.]

The Sally Sausage Broadbent DR>>>>>

[Liam-]

No-one had the right to be pissed off because some people didn't want their eggs to be baked into a silly little cake, if they have eggs rationed between them, then the twins were more than entitled to say no to baked goods if they didn't want their eggs to be used for it.

[Cal.]

No-one had the right to be pissed off because some people didn't want their eggs to be baked into a silly little cake, if they have eggs rationed between them, then the twins were more than entitled to say no to baked goods if they didn't want their eggs to be used for it.

.

[Jason.]

No-one had the right to be pissed off because some people didn't want their eggs to be baked into a silly little cake, if they have eggs rationed between them, then the twins were more than entitled to say no to baked goods if they didn't want their eggs to be used for it.

That's not really the point, though.

They were both sour-faced bitches, who moaned whenever everyone else tried to have fun in the house, and spent what I'd call a good chunk of their time in the house being moody and quite dull, TBH.

They had a couple of loud rows (mainly down to the producer's meddling, lbr), so what? :shrug:

[Liam-]

Also, didn't they end up baking the cake anyway? so they clearly had enough eggs without having to use the twins' eggs :laugh:

[Liam-]

That's not really the point, though.

They were both sour-faced bitches, who moaned whenever everyone else tried to have fun in the house, and spent what I'd call a good chunk of their time in the house being moody and quite dull, TBH.

They had a couple of loud rows (mainly down to the producer's meddling, lbr), so what? :shrug:

I'd be a bit moody too if I had to live with people trying to steal my eggs... and Aaron :fist:

[Jason.]

I'd be a bit moody too if I had to live with people trying to steal my eggs... and Aaron :fist:

Yeah, you're just making me think she's even more overrated, tbh. :laugh:

[Liam-]

Meh, you can think they're overrated if you want, it's a free country :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

lmao it certainly wasn't it was deserved.

Sarah spoke so much sense.

I'm pretty sure that rubbing your dick on someone to make them feel uncomfortable is a perfectly good reason to be ejected.

Joel had no problem with what Aaron did until the producers made it clear they were taking it seriously - then he spoke about how he didn't like it. Sarah was right in how she said he never set boundaries - he sometimes joined in with Aaron.

It was pretty obvious even a week before the incident that Joel was pretty uncomfortable with the whole situation. I definitely think he's in the closet and there were a lot of repressed feelings that came into play, but everyone else was so relentless about pairing Aaron and Joel together and they were pretty tone deaf about the whole situation. No one was really respectful about it, like when they were playing truth or dare bc that's what str8 people do and they were insanely forceful in trying to get Aaron and Joel to kiss.

How about not laughing about it if you're really trying to make it clear you want it stopped? I'm sure if you were being 'sexually harassed' by a friend you'd laugh at them?

"To be totally honest, I didn't know how to react because that's never happened to me before." It was pretty obvious to me that it was more nervous laughter than anything, probably to mask just how awkward and uncomfortable he felt. Joel felt uncomfortable and Aaron wouldn't stop so Aaron had to go.

[gamepodfan]

When there move the show to channel 5

[LukeB]

This Sarah debate is actually funny because the reaction from it is like it's the worse thing that's ever been said in the history of big brother.. It may not have been nice, but others have said the most horrible/disgusting things like Marc but because he's male.. It's banter which apparently is funny and entertaining .. This debate is another exhausting debate like Helen/Ashleigh because it goes round and round in circles..


anyway moving on from that

Timewarp was an awful idea and evicting housemates after 3/4 days (Beinazir + Victoria)
I also felt it was unfair how BB10 went to VTS (a bit random) when everyone was up.. but in BB7/BB9 when everyone was facing the public vote.. it was a VTE.

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's actually funny because you always try to change the subject and make it about Marc. Nothing that Marc did has anything to do with Sarah's disgusting and retrograde point of view on the Aaron situation. She left on the worst note imaginable and cemented herself as the worst female of the series for me :3

[reece(:]

Why is Cal being hounded for having a different opinion to others, is that what it's resorted to now?

I agree with him re. BB16 in the OP anyhow.

[Pete.]

Let's be clear Sarah did not just jump into victim blaming. Joel exploited her inebriated state and got her to say something damning to make her look bad and him even better. This is not to say that Sarah's comments were excusable because they weren't but she is definitely not a vile victim blamer who should be stripped of being a lawyer... because she would be drunk all the time in court of course.

[reece(:]

Let's be clear Sarah did not just jump into victim blaming. Joel exploited her inebriated state and got her to say something damning to make her look bad and him even better. This is not to say that Sarah's comments were excusable because they weren't but she is definitely not a vile victim blamer who should be stripped of being a lawyer... because she would be drunk all the time in court of course.
Yea and she wouldn't be in a state of raw emotion in a courthouse as in BB her best friend was going to be removed.

But the Sarah back and forth **** needs to end, some like her, some don't. It's never going to be resolved and is beyond tiresome.

[Liam-]

People making out like Joel forced her to say those words :joker:
He might have pushed her to voice her opinion, but he didn't force her to have the opinion she had, which was a vile opinion, which no person, especially a prospective lawyer should ever hold.

[Pete.]

People making out like Joel forced her to say those words :joker:
He might have pushed her to voice her opinion, but he didn't force her to have the opinion she had, which was a vile opinion, which no person, especially a prospective lawyer should ever hold.
Lawyers don't have to be moral people at all lmao. How many lawyers have to defend murderers and rapists etc on a daily basis? A lawyer literally gets paid to argue a certain way, they don't have to agree with it.

[Lostie!]

Ejecting Emma (BB5)
Returning evictee (BB7)
Ejecting Emily (BB8)
Halfway House (BB8)
Non-housemate start (BB10)
Quadruple eviction (BB11)
White Room (BB13)
Final pass (BB15)
Killer nomination (BB15)
Newbies cast eviction vote (BB15)
Ejecting Aaron (BB16) For the record, I wasn't an Aaron fan, I think a formal warning was warranted.
Quadruple eviction (BB16)
Timewarp (BB16)
Cashbomb (BB16)

Eileen is overrated as **** she was barely visible most of the time.

Didn't you used to love Eileen? :laugh:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Whether or not Joel forced that opinion out of her, it's the fact that she had that opinion in the first place.

[LukeB]

It's actually funny because you always try to change the subject and make it about Marc. Nothing that Marc did has anything to do with Sarah's disgusting and retrograde point of view on the Aaron situation. She left on the worst note imaginable and cemented herself as the worst female of the series for me :3

because this Sarah situation is a bit OTT, I mean worse stuff have been said in the past and is that brought up 1000090583490859034869754 times? No it isn't
This whole "let's make out Sarah is the worse human alive" is a bit boring. I think you need to move on :)

[Liam-]

I look forward to you telling people to move on from pointing out the bad things Helen has said over and over and over again, or is that speech reserved just for the people you like?

[LukeB]

I look forward to you telling people to move on from pointing out the bad things Helen has said over and over and over again, or is that speech reserved just for the people you like?

Nope. Just over the top situtions :hee:

[Macie Lightfoot]

because this Sarah situation is a bit OTT, I mean worse stuff have been said in the past and is that brought up 1000090583490859034869754 times? No it isn't
This whole "let's make out Sarah is the worse human alive" is a bit boring. I think you need to move on :)

I get that this is a sensitive subject for you since you predictably love Sarah, but nobody's making her out to be the worst human alive alol don't be absurd. I think you actually need to move on since you always come in to defend Sarah with the fact that she wasn't as bad as Marc when that applies to pretty much everyone who has ever been on this show. Being slightly better than human garbage doesn't make Sarah great. Let's not try to polish a turd.

[LukeB]

I get that this is a sensitive subject for you since you predictably love Sarah, but nobody's making her out to be the worst human alive alol don't be absurd. I think you actually need to move on since you always come in to defend Sarah with the fact that she wasn't as bad as Marc when that applies to pretty much everyone who has ever been on this show. Being slightly better than human garbage doesn't make Sarah great. Let's not try to polish a turd.

It's not a sensitive subject at all :unsure: just pointing out how OTT the reaction is :)

[Liam-]

Troy has spoken, worship one's words

[LukeB]

And Macie the reason why I stick up for her because as well as you and MB bringing up I'm a Sarah fan whenever I have an opinion, I also feel other comments are forgotten and if Sarah's comments towards Joel is always brought up then so should comments from Danny about the twins, Cristian who said he didn't want to share with a gay guy or a another male because it's weird or Marc's comments towards Chloe/Sam. All horrible comments tbh not just one :)

[Macie Lightfoot]

I might feel the same way if there were any Danny fans or Cristian fans or Marc fans, but everyone knows why they suck so who cares

[Marsh.]

Hiring Rylan. Firing AJ.

[LukeB]

I might feel the same way if there were any Danny fans or Cristian fans or Marc fans, but everyone knows why they suck so who cares

every housemate has fans.. Danny come 3rd soooo, doesn't give you the right to not let Sarah fans have opinions tbh. Everyone knows why people dislike Sarah especially after you talking about it 78787878787 times. Still those comments should get brought up as well.

[LukeB]

Macie stay obsessed with me boo boo

another mistake is not bringing goddess Beinazir back when Saffia walked

[Lostie!]

I liked Marc :wavey:

[Macie Lightfoot]

every housemate has fans.. Danny come 3rd soooo, doesn't give you the right to not let Sarah fans have opinions tbh. Everyone knows why people dislike Sarah especially after you talking about it 78787878787 times. Still those comments should get brought up as well.

I'm talking about on this forum obviously. Like, nobody cares to talk about Danny or Cristian at all on this forum so who cares about random side comments they made?

[LukeB]

I'm talking about on this forum obviously. Like, nobody cares to talk about Danny or Cristian at all on this forum so who cares about random side comments they made?

Okay who cares about Sarah's comments then :) you can't just moan about Sarah saying comments and let Danny and Cristian off because "they have no fans" which they do. You must be a fan of Danny and Cristian.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Okay who cares about Sarah's comments then :) you can't just moan about Sarah saying comments and let Danny and Cristian off because "they have no fans" which they do. You must be a fan of Danny and Cristian.

yup I'm definitely a fan of Danny and Cristian.

I might feel the same way if there were any Danny fans or Cristian fans or Marc fans, but everyone knows why they suck so who cares

yup that's exactly why I'm letting them off or whatever.

[LukeB]

yup I'm definitely a fan of Danny and Cristian.

yup that's exactly why I'm letting them off or whatever.

So if Danny said what Sarah did you wouldn't care? because he has 'no fans' ?

[Macie Lightfoot]

so I guess you still didn't see the part where I said that Danny sucked then

[Amy Jade]

It's actually funny because you always try to change the subject and make it about Marc. Nothing that Marc did has anything to do with Sarah's disgusting and retrograde point of view on the Aaron situation. She left on the worst note imaginable and cemented herself as the worst female of the series for me :3

Sorry but then you stan Gina? :laugh:

[Macie Lightfoot]

I've said this before in other threads, Gina's comments about Hazel are the reason that she's, like, only in my top 20 instead of my top 10. The only other things Sarah did were that weird rant about immigrants stealing her social services and freak out because Danny, like, touched her back during the eviction or something. My thoughts on Sarah always oscillated between "wow you have some pretty ****ty opinions" and "shut up about Danny literally nobody except Kieran cares"

[Amy Jade]

I actually disagreed with Sarah going against Joel's issue with Aaron (even though I do think he also played it up) BUT I do love her for stating how she felt.

I'd much rather have somebody who will be in the house saying the wrong things (with no malice) than saying nothing at all...which is what Jade turned into after 4 in 4 out. After the initial fight with Marc she retreated like a wounded animal and never regained anything close to the personality that shone through. She was boring af.

[LukeB]

so I guess you still didn't see the part where I said that Danny sucked then

I saw but your reasons for keep talking about Sarah sucks... you didn't answer my question because Danny has 'no fans' and if he said what Sarah said would you feel the same?

[Amy Jade]

I just find it slightly ironic you butcher Sarah for simply speaking her mind but otherwise being pleasent and friendly with Joel yet you call Gina a legend when she activly tried to ostracize and attack Hazel for weeks on end for no apparent reason.

[LukeB]

I just find it slightly ironic you butcher Sarah for simply speaking her mind but otherwise being pleasent and friendly with Joel yet you call Gina a legend when she activly tried to ostracize and attack Hazel for weeks on end for no apparent reason.

he only butchers her because she has fans :laugh: us Sarah fans are allowed opinions as much as anyone else.

[Amy Jade]

he only butchers her because she has fans :laugh: us Sarah fans are allowed opinions as much as anyone else.
Well idk about that first part, he's entitled not to like her but I'll say this. Wether she's being talked about in a positive way or a negative one she clearly made a big impression or nobody would still be talking about her. ;)

[LukeB]

Well idk about that first part, he's entitled not to like her but I'll say this. Wether she's being talked about in a positive way or a negative one she clearly made a big impression or nobody would still be talking about her. ;)

yeah I don't mind anyone hating her, i let people have opinions :p

but I feel like Cristian's "sharing with a male is weird, i wouldn't share with a gay guy" and Danny talking about how vulnerable the twins are, are let off, but he said it's because of them having no fans..

[Macie Lightfoot]

I actually disagreed with Sarah going against Joel's issue with Aaron (even though I do think he also played it up) BUT I do love her for stating how she felt.

I'd much rather have somebody who will be in the house saying the wrong things (with no malice) than saying nothing at all...which is what Jade turned into after 4 in 4 out. After the initial fight with Marc she retreated like a wounded animal and never regained anything close to the personality that shone through. She was boring af.

I looooooved Jade even in her more UTR stages bc we still got gems like "*pulls microphone closer* We're not in a poxy prostitute *****house, this is a respectful show" and her legendary baby voice <3

I saw but your reasons for keep talking about Sarah sucks... you didn't answer my question because Danny has 'no fans' and if he said what Sarah said would you feel the same?

I didn't answer your question because I thought that it was pretty clear that I didn't care for Danny even without him making a comment like that. I honestly don't get what point you're even trying to make lol.

I just find it slightly ironic you butcher Sarah for simply speaking her mind but otherwise being pleasent and friendly with Joel yet you call Gina a legend when she activly tried to ostracize and attack Hazel for weeks on end for no apparent reason.

I touched on this a bit in the rankdown since Gina was eliminated pretty recently, but I liked Gina in pretty much every moment aside from calling Hazel a homewrecker (I think Hazel sucks so I didn't really care about **** like the queen bee task.) I didn't like Sarah even before her incident with Joel so it was just more reason for me to dislike her.

but I feel like Cristian's "sharing with a male is weird, i wouldn't share with a gay guy" and Danny talking about how vulnerable the twins are, are let off, but he said it's because of them having no fans..

or it's because nobody defends those comments but multiple people are still defending Sarah and blaming Joel so obviously one is going to be more of a hot topic than the others. It's really not that hard to undersatnd.

[Amy Jade]

Gina was a fugly mess and still is. One of the worst if not actual worst housemates of all time and her being so overrated doesn't help.

Give me sassy Sarah over skanky mess Gina any day but of course to each their own.

[Mystic Mock]

4in4out was suppose to get rid of the deadwood yet the 4 biggest personalities of the 6 up was evicted, and they was more 3D Housemates compared to the 1D's that replaced them afterwards.

Pete being allowed on the show in BB7 because he could've stabbed someone in the house and still would've won due to his Tourettes.

Throwing Aaron out in BB16 yet not throwing Danny out for getting aggressive multiple times, and it's the same show that allowed Craig Coates to perv over a drunk man.

An all girl line-up in BB8.

Bringing Nikki back in BB7 after an overwhelming majority wanted her out in the same series.

Having the quadruple eviction in BB11 being a VTE instead of a VTS.

Voting Adjoa out of BB16 just because she said “pussy” for the first two or three days.

People like Crimson Chris, Heaven, Tashie, Lydia, and Govan not being given more weeks in their stints.

[Marsh.]

FFs, can we not have this thread turn into another battle over your opinion being disagreed with Macie? Please?

[Amy Jade]

FFs, can we not have this thread turn into another battle over your opinion being disagreed with Macie? Please?
Debate on a debate thread...how novel.

[LukeB]

I didn't answer your question because I thought that it was pretty clear that I didn't care for Danny even without him making a comment like that. I honestly don't get what point you're even trying to make lol.

or it's because nobody defends those comments but multiple people are still defending Sarah and blaming Joel so obviously one is going to be more of a hot topic than the others. It's really not that hard to undersatnd.

I don't care for others but if they make comments that I don't like I will still bring it up instead of picking on just one person because they have fans. The Sarah debate goes around in circles you keep on saying the same thing. broken robot teas I mean you make out Sarah is some human trash who is worse than hitlar.

[LukeB]

FFs, can we not have this thread turn into another battle over your opinion being disagreed with Macie? Please?

It all started because Macie doesn't like people going against his opinion :nono:

[Marsh.]

Debate on a debate thread...how novel.

Not quite the point I made but nice try Amy love.

[Amy Jade]

Heaven, Tashie, Lydia not being given more weeks in their stints.
Add Sunshine, Stephanie and Rachael to this and I agree :(

[Amy Jade]

Not quite the point I made but nice try Amy love.

Well either way it's healthy debate so whats the problem not enough innuendo for your liking?

[Marsh.]

Well either way it's healthy debate so whats the problem not enough innuendo for your liking?

Healthy debate? The constant arguing over "Luke's disagreeing with me again!"?

Half of the discussion isn't about the actual topic of Big Brother so I'd rather the thread wasn't bogged down with it.

But you obviously didn't see that so no problem. You're forgiven.

[Mystic Mock]

I get that this is a sensitive subject for you since you predictably love Sarah, but nobody's making her out to be the worst human alive alol don't be absurd. I think you actually need to move on since you always come in to defend Sarah with the fact that she wasn't as bad as Marc when that applies to pretty much everyone who has ever been on this show. Being slightly better than human garbage doesn't make Sarah great. Let's not try to polish a turd.

Tbf you're saying that LukeB is predictable for liking Sarah yet I could predict that you wouldn't just to be contrary to LukeB's opinion of her.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't care for others but if they make comments that I don't like I will still bring it up instead of picking on just one person because they have fans. The Sarah debate goes around in circles you keep on saying the same thing. broken robot teas I mean you make out Sarah is some human trash who is worse than hitlar.

It's not about picking on one person, it's the Sarah/Joel thing comes up a lot more than Danny's comments and Cristian's comments. I don't think anybody ever tried to defend their comments so there's nothing additional that needs to be said. Some people are still acting like it was entirely Joel's fault and Sarah told him about himself and that's more of a contentious topic. You don't need to bring up other people's wrongdoings just because you're insecure about people not liking Sarah or something.

It all started because Macie doesn't people going against his opinion :nono:

um it started because I thought that Who Is She? said some pretty worrying stuff about how Sarah was completely in the right and Joel was completely in the wrong. I know you always like to try to blame things on me but it's not hard to look back a page or two.

[LukeB]

It's not about picking on one person, it's the Sarah/Joel thing comes up a lot more than Danny's comments and Cristian's comments. I don't think anybody ever tried to defend their comments so there's nothing additional that needs to be said. Some people are still acting like it was entirely Joel's fault and Sarah told him about himself and that's more of a contentious topic. You don't need to bring up other people's wrongdoings just because you're insecure about people not liking Sarah or something.
.

Why do I care about if people like her or not? you don't even know me to call me insecure so that's quite ignorant. I don't even care if people like her or not because it's their opinion and i let people have them, like whenever I have an opinion about BB16 you always mention I'm a Sarah fan, you care about it more than i do tbh, just saying Sarah isn't the only one to make 'awful comments' which you make out it is. It's really you the sensitive one when it comes to Sarah

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't really ever bring up that you're a Sarah fan alol you probably have me confused with someone else

[LukeB]

Tbf you're saying that LukeB is predictable for liking Sarah yet I could predict that you wouldn't just to be contrary to LukeB's opinion of her.

pretty much

[Amy Jade]

Healthy debate? The constant arguing over "Luke's disagreeing with me again!"?

Half of the discussion isn't about the actual topic of Big Brother so I'd rather the thread wasn't bogged down with it.

But you obviously didn't see that so no problem. You're forgiven.

This is not your thread and you are not a mod so if you don't like the discussion go elsewhere? I'm sure there is somebody online to pat your ego or I guess not...

[LukeB]

this sarah debate has made me even more tired

[LukeB]

it's getting obvious whenever i have an opinion macie always goes against it etc which is fine but i find it funny

[Amy Jade]

Let's not try to polish a turd.

Sandy | Tim | Susie

Actual legends.

:umm2:

[Marsh.]

This is not your thread and you are not a mod so if you don't like the discussion go elsewhere? I'm sure there is somebody online to pat your ego or I guess not...

Oh dear. :pat:

You really hate me don't you? But now you're taking the thread off topic. Never mind, there'll be another excuse for you to attack my posts again on another day I'm sure. Maybe it'll be on topic then.

In the meantime I'll post my opinion within the thread without your permission. :thumbs:

[Macie Lightfoot]

it's getting obvious whenever i have an opinion macie always goes against it etc which is fine but i find it funny

uhh I was talking about Sarah before you even got involved so I don't know what you're getting at.

:umm2:

I loooooved Sandy and Tim because they were so immediately put off by all the party game bull**** that Jonny and Kate and Alison did nonstop. And Susie is such an under the radar delight that I've already explained so many times <3

[Amy Jade]

Oh dear. :pat:

You really hate me don't you? But now you're taking the thread off topic. Never mind, there'll be another excuse for you to attack my posts again on another day I'm sure. Maybe it'll be on topic then.

In the meantime I'll post my opinion within the thread without your permission. :thumbs:
You're honestly not worthy of my hate I just find your ego irritating and how you feel you can dictate what others do on the forum.

There was literally no issue until you came in, the dabate was healthy and on topic since the question was production mistakes and how it cost Sarah her place. If you want to look for somebody taking a discussion off topic look no further than yourself.

[LukeB]

uhh I was talking about Sarah before you even got involved so I don't know what you're getting at.

I forgot to quote Marsh because he mentioned it:spin:

[LukeB]

1.Giving some housemates more airtime than others, because we don't have live feed we don't get to see what other housemates are really like so they get branded boring because people like Marc/Ashleigh/Helen etc are shoved down the viewers throats.

2.4in4out, should have been a double at least, Evicting 4 was too much.

3.Final Pass

4.Sam getting evicted even though she got saved by the public.

5.Ejecting just Emma and letting others get away with it.

I agree

[Marsh.]

You're honestly not worthy of my hate I just find your ego irritating and how you feel you can dictate what others do on the forum.

There was literally no issue until you came in, the dabate was healthy and on topic since the question was production mistakes and how it cost Sarah her place. If you want to look for somebody taking a discussion off topic look no further than yourself.

I was referring to the personal dispute between Macie and Luke being off topic.

But I always get this treatment from you, so obviously I have some weird effect on you. Looks like my large ego is warranted. Thank you, little one. Keep reading xoxo

[Amy Jade]

The only effect you have on me is repulsion

[Marsh.]

The only effect you have on me is repulsion

Autograph is in the post. Mwah xxx

[Babayaro.]

Reading through that Sarah malarky was awfully boring

[Cal.]

:umm2:

lmao

[Cal.]

How were my posts worrying in the slightest? I believe that Sarah was in the right and if Joel truly wasn't comfortable with it then he should have not still laughed at everything Aaron did ect. You can say 'oh its nervous laughter' but then it's a different interpretation isn't it? And I cba to debate with you anyway since I don't like your 'debating style' of not actually providing reasons for comments, you just kind of shut down comments like 'no, you're wrong'.

[Amy Jade]

How were my posts worrying in the slightest? I believe that Sarah was in the right and if Joel truly wasn't comfortable with it then he should have not still laughed at everything Aaron did ect. You can say 'oh its nervous laughter' but then it's a different interpretation isn't it? And I cba to debate with you anyway since I don't like your 'debating style' of not actually providing reasons for comments, you just kind of shut down comments like 'no, you're wrong'.
:love:

[LukeB]

How were my posts worrying in the slightest? I believe that Sarah was in the right and if Joel truly wasn't comfortable with it then he should have not still laughed at everything Aaron did ect. You can say 'oh its nervous laughter' but then it's a different interpretation isn't it? And I cba to debate with you anyway since I don't like your 'debating style' of not actually providing reasons for comments, you just kind of shut down comments like 'no, you're wrong'.

:clap1:

[MB.]

no, you're wrong

[EspeonBB]

Welp Sarah doesn't really warrant this much discussion

[Liam-]

no, you're wrong

:joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

How were my posts worrying in the slightest? I believe that Sarah was in the right and if Joel truly wasn't comfortable with it then he should have not still laughed at everything Aaron did ect. You can say 'oh its nervous laughter' but then it's a different interpretation isn't it? And I cba to debate with you anyway since I don't like your 'debating style' of not actually providing reasons for comments, you just kind of shut down comments like 'no, you're wrong'.

I thought I provided plenty of reasoning in my initial reply to you? I thought the house was pretty ****ing relentless about pushing Aaron and Joel together like when they were all trying to force them to kiss during truth or dare, and regardless of any laughter Joel might've let out he said no plenty of times and he said in the DR that he didn't know how to react because he's never been in a situation like that before. I found everyone to be really insensitive to the Aaron and Joel situation even before Aaron's ejection, but then for Sarah to be like "Nobody would ever do such a thing to me because I clearly set up interpersonal boundaries unlike you Joel" just kinda solidified that I think she's kind of a ****ty person who isn't capable of empathizing with anyone else. Like, it's 2015, don't blame the victim.

[Black Dagger]

Can we just pretend that Sarah didn't exist. It's best all round.

(Although I do have to laugh at SASSY Sarah, she was about as sassy as a ****ing bacon sandwich, the no mark.)