USA : Molly Shattuck, 48 raped a 15 year old boy

[arista]

http://www.trbimg.com/img-545a5b8c/turbine/bs-ae-molly-shattuck-20141105

[A former NFL cheerleader has
been sentenced to two years of probation
for raping a 15-year-old boy.
Molly Shattuck, 48, pleaded guilty to one count
of fourth-degree rape just
days before her case was to go to trial.]

Older Women Sex Criminals get it Easy

http://news.sky.com/story/1539699/ex-cheerleader-avoids-jail-for-raping-boy-15

[Liam-]

Disgusting, if the sexes were reversed the man would get at least a couple of years in prison.

There was a similar case up in the Valley's, a woman slept with her 15 year old son's friend a couple of times because she was 'having a hard divorce' and she got a slap on the wrist and had to sign onto the register, it's awful the way female pedophiles get away with it.

[Niamh.]

Disgusting, if the sexes were reversed the man would get at least a couple of years in prison.

There was a similar case up in the Valley's, a woman slept with her 15 year old son's friend a couple of times because she was 'having a hard divorce' and she got a slap on the wrist and had to sign onto the register, it's awful the way female pedophiles get away with it.

I don't know about that, usually when it's the opposite way round the girl is accused of leading the man on or lying about their age or whatever

[Ninastar]

Womens prison sentences in general are a lot less than mens. She should be locked up for a long time. Creep.

[Liam-]

I don't know about that, usually when it's the opposite way round the girl is accused of leading the man on or lying about their age or whatever

In genuine cases of pedophilia like this one, where it can be proven the adult took advantage of the minor, the man would rightfully be sent to prison.

This case is black and white, she admitted to knowingly sleeping with a child, so she should also go to prison like a man would, I don't see why women are treated like delicate little flowers when they're committing crimes the same as men do and get sent down for it, it makes a mockery of the justice system and gives no sort of justice for the victims whatsoever .

[Niamh.]

In genuine cases of pedophilia like this one, where it can be proven the adult took advantage of the minor, the man would rightfully be sent to prison.

This case is black and white, she admitted to knowingly sleeping with a child, so she should also go to prison like a man would, I don't see why women are treated like delicate little flowers when they're committing crimes the same as men do and get sent down for it, it makes a mockery of the justice system and gives no sort of justice for the victims whatsoever .

Oh I agree any cases of statutory rape where the person knowingly slept with a minor should be treated equally but I'm just saying that when the shoe is on the other foot the girls are almost blamed for seducing the men like that case last year where the actual Judge said something like when sentencing the man

[Tom4784]

Shocked that she didn't get a prison term tbh. The case is pretty open and shut so I'd be interested in knowing why she got off so lightly.

[arista]

Shocked that she didn't get a prison term tbh. The case is pretty open and shut so I'd be interested in knowing why she got off so lightly.

I think it USA Laws
as she was honest about it
at the last minute etc

[smudgie]

Depends what 4th degree rape means, the article doesn't explain much.
Older woman having an affair with a 15 year old, no different to a man having an affair with a 15 year old girl.
If they know their ages then jail the beggars.

[bots]

looks like its all part of this plea bargaining stuff they do in the USA, as the victim is also to receive 10K, which I find a bit weird personally. Tying cash as some sort of penance for a crime just doesn't sit well with me when it is this type of offence.

[JoshBB]

I don't know what "fourth-degree" rape means exactly, but rape by any kind is disgusting and she shouldn't be treated any differently than a male rapist would.

Whether she's getting special treatment because she's a woman or not is unclear, because the whole 'fourth-degree' thing I have no idea what that means.

[Crimson Dynamo]

why is it a rape. did she force herself on him?

[Vanessa]

D::omgno:

[Niamh.]

why is it a rape. did she force herself on him?

probably statatory rape I'd imagine

[the truth]

I don't know about that, usually when it's the opposite way round the girl is accused of leading the man on or lying about their age or whatever

drivel....women get away with it in this man hating sexist backwards culture

[Mystic Mock]

She doesn't look like how I pictured her in my head lol.

I know that it's been asked on this thread, but what does fourth degree rape mean? I've never heard of that term before.

[Mystic Mock]

She doesn't look like how I pictured her in my head lol.

I know that it's been asked on this thread, but what does fourth degree rape mean? I've never heard of that term before.

[Niamh.]

drivel....women get away with it in this man hating sexist backwards culture


Blah blah blah

[Ryan57]

She doesn't look like how I pictured her in my head lol.

I know that it's been asked on this thread, but what does fourth degree rape mean? I've never heard of that term before.

Intercourse with a minor and the offender is over the age of 30. Along with other things, which may vary from state to state, not 100% sure if that's the case.

[arista]

why is it a rape. did she force herself on him?


Yes She Did


Out Right Rape of a Minor

[Ammi]

..this is interesting because it does seem like a 'deal' could have been done with attorneys at the last minute...there was also that case that Amy posted of the young 19yr old boy whose punishment was far more severe because the judge wanted to 'make an example'...the thing is I guess, in the UK, we don't have different state laws either, it's just one law for all...but not the same in the US, is it..?...so depending as well, maybe on which state these crimes are committed in..?...

[the truth]

Blah blah blah

yeah a child has been raped and all you can say is blah blah blah absolutely disgusting comment shame on you:nono:

[Niamh.]

yeah a child has been raped and all you can say is blah blah blah absolutely disgusting comment shame on you:nono:

yes because I was referring to the child being raped there and not your comment about sexist man hating backward culture.......:idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Arista are you sure she forced herself on this youth?

Using the word rape here I think is confusing. The fact that rape can mean this silly bitch and a man in a balaclava dragging a woman into a bush and violently abusing her is not helpful I dont think


I presume the guy thought he was quids in rather than horrified?

[Niamh.]

Arista are you sure she forced herself on this youth?

Using the word rape here I think is confusing. The fact that rape can mean this silly bitch and a man in a balaclava dragging a woman into a bush and violently abusing her is not helpful I dont think


I presume the guy thought he was quids in rather than horrified?

4th degree rape is statutory rape

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/decode/11/5/II/770

[Crimson Dynamo]

4th degree rape is statutory rape

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/decode/11/5/II/770

To say she raped him sounds wierd

[Liam-]

It was statutory rape, it might not have been physical, forceful rape, but it was still rape.

[Niamh.]

To say she raped him sounds wierd

sex with a minor, consenting or not, is always called rape though because they're not old enough to consent, that's not a new thing :shrug:

[Z]

sex with a minor, consenting or not, is always called rape though because they're not old enough to consent, that's not a new thing :shrug:

It's so messed up though, there's such a gulf of difference between someone slightly underage willingly having sex with an adult and it all coming out and the adult getting prosecuted over it and a violent sex crime where someone is abused against their will and left with physical and emotional scars.

[Niamh.]

It's so messed up though, there's such a gulf of difference between someone slightly underage willingly having sex with an adult and it all coming out and the adult getting prosecuted over it and a violent sex crime where someone is abused against their will and left with physical and emotional scars.

Well there has to be a line drawn somewhere I guess and it does have a different term to rape - Statutory rape. It should be case by case though, I mean there's a world of difference between say a 15 year old having sex with their 18 year old boyfriend/girlfriend and a 15 year old, like this one having sex with a 40 something year old who really should know better etc

[kirklancaster]

Blah blah blah

:laugh2:

[user104658]

It's so messed up though, there's such a gulf of difference between someone slightly underage willingly having sex with an adult and it all coming out and the adult getting prosecuted over it and a violent sex crime where someone is abused against their will and left with physical and emotional scars.

Well there has to be a line drawn somewhere I guess and it does have a different term to rape - Statutory rape. It should be case by case though, I mean there's a world of difference between say a 15 year old having sex with their 18 year old boyfriend/girlfriend and a 15 year old, like this one having sex with a 40 something year old who really should know better etc

I can see both sides here really. On one hand, it clearly is a crime and an underage person (under 16 anyway, as it is in the UK) I genuinely don't think can be considered capable of consenting to sex with a much older adult, so I don't think "willingness" comes into it.

However, I personally think that the severity of "full blown" rape with physical force or drugging involved means that it should have its own, completely distinct, term. "Rape" should be a powerful word as soon as you hear it, you shouldn't have to ask "Well hold on, what SORT of rape?". So yeah I think there is a good case for "statutory rape" being given another title. It doesn't mean lessening the severity of the crime or any punishments; just creating a bigger distinction... to reflect the violence of a forceful rape.

[Tom4784]

If she knew he was 15 then she deserves to be prosecuted.

[Niamh.]

I can see both sides here really. On one hand, it clearly is a crime and an underage person (under 16 anyway, as it is in the UK) I genuinely don't think can be considered capable of consenting to sex with a much older adult, so I don't think "willingness" comes into it.

However, I personally think that the severity of "full blown" rape with physical force or drugging involved means that it should have its own, completely distinct, term. "Rape" should be a powerful word as soon as you hear it, you shouldn't have to ask "Well hold on, what SORT of rape?". So yeah I think there is a good case for "statutory rape" being given another title. It doesn't mean lessening the severity of the crime or any punishments; just creating a bigger distinction... to reflect the violence of a forceful rape.

it makes sense though if the definition of rape is sex without consent and under age people aren't allowed to consent

[Nedusa]

Rape...??? really

No I don't think so, the teacher in question looks about 8-9 stone the 15 year old pupil probably quite a few stone heavier. So violent physical rape ...no not a chance

More like a sexually frustrated older woman seduces a young boy into sleeping with her, not that a 15 year boy when offered no strings attached sex would require much seducing.

So please stop throwing around the words rape and paedophile...this was just a case of a woman who crossed the line to fulfil her desires. She will pay heavily for this probably lose not only her job but her licence to teach plus the criminal conviction and all that comes with that.

But a Rapist............well did the young man resist or was he forced against his will..probably not

So a Rapist...........No

[Niamh.]

People are really not getting the definition of statutory rape here ..........

[Liam-]

By your case, she knowingly seduced an underaged boy, whether he was willing or not, that makes her a pedophile, if she slept with him knowing he was underage.

And she is a rapist, not a violent one, but a statutory one, statutory rape is still rape because in the eyes of the law, people under 18 in America are not capable of making choices like that, so she raped him, simple as that.

[arista]

By your case, she knowingly seduced an underaged boy, whether he was willing or not, that makes her a pedophile, if she slept with him knowing he was underage.

And she is a rapist, not a violent one, but a statutory one, statutory rape is still rape because in the eyes of the law, people under 18 in America are not capable of making choices like that, so she raped him, simple as that.

Very Well Put Liam

[Niamh.]

By your case, she knowingly seduced an underaged boy, whether he was willing or not, that makes her a pedophile, if she slept with him knowing he was underage.

And she is a rapist, not a violent one, but a statutory one, statutory rape is still rape because in the eyes of the law, people under 18 in America are not capable of making choices like that, so she raped him, simple as that.

Exactly.

I don't get how people are claiming it wasn't rape when that's the legal term for it. It's like saying stealing a packet of crisps from a shop isn't really stealing because it's not as bad as armed bank robbery

[Nedusa]

Look.........you can dress it up any way you want and label it as Rape statutory or otherwise, but the simple fact remains she had consensual sex with another person.

Just because the "law" says it is rape does not make it rape, marriage to minors is legal in some countries and whose to say our law is better than their law.

So taking a strictly moral position if the 15 yr old consented to have sex with this older woman then that is their business, and anyone sitting in judgement spouting the "law" saying it is rape is clearly deluded...

[Liam-]

Look.........you can dress it up any way you want and label it as Rape statutory or otherwise, but the simple fact remains she had consensual sex with another person.

Just because the "law" says it is rape does not make it rape, marriage to minors is legal in some countries and whose to say our law is better than their law.

So taking a strictly moral position if the 15 yr old consented to have sex with this older woman then that is their business, and anyone sitting in judgement spouting the "law" saying it is rape is clearly deluded...

So because marriage to someone young is legal in other countries that means every other country should turn a blind eye to illegal sexual activities? that's a worrying stance to take.

What she did was illegal, pure and simple, she's a pedophile who abused her status as an older person to rape a minor, it's as simple as that, the only deluded stance to take on this matter is the one that you're taking quite frankly.

[Niamh.]

Look.........you can dress it up any way you want and label it as Rape statutory or otherwise, but the simple fact remains she had consensual sex with another person.

Just because the "law" says it is rape does not make it rape, marriage to minors is legal in some countries and whose to say our law is better than their law.

So taking a strictly moral position if the 15 yr old consented to have sex with this older woman then that is their business, and anyone sitting in judgement spouting the "law" saying it is rape is clearly deluded...

I'm not dressing it up in any way at all, what I'm saying is what is a fact, you're the one dressing it up. I'm not labelling it as anything - the law is, because guess what? They're the ones that make the labels in order to decide what is and what isn't against the law. You may not agree that there should be a term called Statutory rape and that's your prerogative but you disagreeing with it doesn't make it disappear from existence.

A question for you, what if 50 year old wanted to have sex with a 12 year old and the 12 year old was up for it, would that be alright?

[empire]

peadophilia in the cheerleading world, seems to be a huge problem, male judges seem to give these women a huge amount of soft treatment, where female judges would give these women a very long jail term, in melbourne australia, a woman sexually abused a boy of 12, and gave birth to his baby, and his parents did not have a clue, how much has the media hushed up, on these cases,

[user104658]

By your case, she knowingly seduced an underaged boy, whether he was willing or not, that makes her a pedophile, if she slept with him knowing he was underage.

This isn't actually correct, she is not a paedophile, there is a distinct difference in law between statutory rape and child molestation...

[Z]

I'm not dressing it up in any way at all, what I'm saying is what is a fact, you're the one dressing it up. I'm not labelling it as anything - the law is, because guess what? They're the ones that make the labels in order to decide what is and what isn't against the law. You may not agree that there should be a term called Statutory rape and that's your prerogative but you disagreeing with it doesn't make it disappear from existence.

A question for you, what if 50 year old wanted to have sex with a 12 year old and the 12 year old was up for it, would that be alright?

If they both wanted to, it shouldn't be called rape. No one's denying she committed a crime according to the laws of the land; but there are cultures where the definition of man/woman hinges on whether someone's hit puberty or not and not just over an arbitrary age decided upon for no particular reason. Why can someone get married and leave school at 16 but not vote or drive a car or see certain films in the cinema etc etc etc etc etc............. my earlier post in this thread was just discussing the term rape, not the actual case; as with this post really. Rape should mean the violent crime. Statutory rape should be called something that doesn't have rape in the name - statutory molestation, maybe, I dunno.

[the truth]

I cant believe some posters are condoning an adult raping a minor? sick