Two TV journalists shot dead on air in USA

[Benjamin]

Not much on this yet but wow

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34062118

[Crimson Dynamo]

2 of them

[jackc1806]

An American reporter and cameraman have been shot dead live on air during a report in Franklin County, Virginia.
Reporter Allison Parker and Camerman Adam Ward were conducting an interview with a woman at the Bridgewater Plaza when they were killed by an active shooter, reports say.

Video appears to show a WDBJ report ending in gunfire, with audible screams in the background.
Stills from the video show the incident unfold, before footage is interrupted and the live feed returns to the studio.
The shooting took place at the Bridgewater Plaza in Franklin County, Virginia on Wednesday morning, US time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Two television journalists were shot and killed in Virginia on Wednesday morning while conducting a live television interview, their station, WDBJ7 said.

The incident occurred during a live broadcast in Bedford County, when shots could be heard, sending the reporter and her source screaming and ducking for cover.

The station said that journalists Alison Parker and Adam Ward died in the incident.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/26/us-usa-shooting-virginia-idUSKCN0QV1HY20150826

[Niamh.]

Holy ****

[Crimson Dynamo]

it will be on Liveleak soon

[Loukas]

:shocked:

omg thats awful! :( R.I.P

[Niamh.]

it will be on Liveleak soon

don't think I want to see that tbh

[kirklancaster]

:shrug: The world is in tatters.

[Pete.]

Horrific

[Lostie!]

Bloody hell. :shocked:

There's always another horrible violent crime in the news nowadays.

[Crimson Dynamo]

don't think I want to see that tbh

I do

[Josy]

Don't be posting it on here LT or anyone else. No idea why anyone would want to watch people dying tbh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Don't be posting it on here LT or anyone else. No idea why anyone would want to watch people dying tbh.

if you look at Kaotic or Liveleak you see people dying everyday. I just saw a fighter get a headshot in slowmo from an Isis sniper.

Its not goulish i find it interesting to see what really goes on in the world

[jackc1806]

There are YouTube clips apparently. I think the news story gives enough detail, very sad situation. RIP to both and thoughts to the families and colleugues of Allison and Adam.

[Ashley.]

Disgusting. Let them rot in jail.

[Crimson Dynamo]

around 30 people a day die from gun related death in the USA (2013 figures) so they are just part of that 30

[MB.]

Sickening. As are all the other stories we keep hearing about US gun crime.

[Crimson Dynamo]

video now live on DM

and it is quite shocking

[Niamh.]

Do they know what the motivation behind the shooting was or was it just some random nut job?

[Pete.]

video now live on DM

and it is quite shocking
I saw it too, the news anchor's reaction says it all

[Crimson Dynamo]

ironically the interview was about bringing tourists to the area just as the shooter opened fire

[MB.]

Do they know what the motivation behind the shooting was or was it just some random nut job?

Former employee apparently :(

[JoshBB]

Jesus ****ing christ

[Cherie]

Awful

[Crimson Dynamo]

ArmyChick, New Hampshire, United States, 1 hour ago
300 million firearms. I bet 299,999,00 have killed no one today. Including the 9 I have at home.

Beena al Abelrahman, Bradford, United Kingdom, 22 minutes ago
All a hoax for ratings.

Pete Minnow, Up Above, United Kingdom, 14 minutes ago
Is this any worse than abortion? Not in my book

Mr. Computer Jones, In the affluent South, United Kingdom, 50 minutes ago
First Cilla and now this. It would seem that since Cilla passed, a lot of social unrest has happened. The gunman may have been battling depression since Cilla was cruelly snatched from us and is has all come to a head. I hope she gives him a right ticking off in heaven as his actions are certainly not cool.

[Niamh.]

ArmyChick, New Hampshire, United States, 1 hour ago
300 million firearms. I bet 299,999,00 have killed no one today. Including the 9 I have at home.

Beena al Abelrahman, Bradford, United Kingdom, 22 minutes ago
All a hoax for ratings.

Pete Minnow, Up Above, United Kingdom, 14 minutes ago
Is this any worse than abortion? Not in my book

Mr. Computer Jones, In the affluent South, United Kingdom, 50 minutes ago
First Cilla and now this. It would seem that since Cilla passed, a lot of social unrest has happened. The gunman may have been battling depression since Cilla was cruelly snatched from us and is has all come to a head. I hope she gives him a right ticking off in heaven as his actions are certainly not cool.

what is actually wrong with people (that last one must be a joke though :laugh: )

[JoshBB]

I just accidentally watched it.. I thought it was a news report on what happened but no it was the footage.

You don't see anyone getting shot, but the camera drops and the woman screams and runs. This is really awful.

[Ashley.]

I hate people who go "well that's nothing compared to the soldiers who die in Afghanistan"

Every innocent life is equally important. These two people went to work one morning and never returned home, just like soldiers go to work and sometimes never return home. Whoever it is, whether a soldier or a "nobody", I will always be saddened when I hear about their death. I don't wish to be told who to grieve for.

[T*]

Absolutely tragic, the woman was just 24 as well :(

[Niamh.]

Someone on FB just posted this........

just waiting for the "if the journalists had guns, this would never have happened" response from the NRA

[Niamh.]

Don't post that here Tom

[Amy Jade]

The look on the reporters face :(

hope the pathetic killer (who apparently killed them in fury over being fired) is treated like the **** he is in prison.

[T*]

Don't post that here Tom

There's no gore or anything but okay
Can I post the link?

[Niamh.]

No

[T*]

No

Wait so people can post liveleak links of people being murdered but i can't post a newscast?
I'm not starting anything, i'm just saying :shrug:

[Niamh.]

Wait so people can post liveleak links of people being murdered but i can't post a newscast?
I'm not starting anything, i'm just saying :shrug:

No people can't post Liveleaks of people being murdered

[Pete.]

Unconfirmed: The shooter has killed himself

[Crimson Dynamo]

liveleak now have the video

[T*]

Unconfirmed: The shooter has killed himself

What a coward. I hope he rots in hell

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2015/Aug/26/LiveLeak-dot-com-04b_1440601688-CNV-G_QUwAAG_Oi_1440601697.png.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccf b6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd3964b44d dd39688&ec_rate=230

I think this is the killer in the middle

[Pete.]

Oh wow :umm2:

A disgruntled former news reporter has committed suicide after shooting dead two of his ex-coworkers during a live TV segment this morning in Moneta, Virginia.

Before killing himself, Vester Lee Flanagan (who also goes by Bryce Williams) took to Twitter to explain his reasons for shooting dead WDBJ reporter Alison Parker, 24, and cameraman Adam Ward, 27.

Flanagan, who is African American, wrote that Parker made 'racist comments' and that a complaint was filed against her through the equal employment opportunity commission, but his station chose to hire her anyway.

As for Ward, Flanagan says that after working with the cameraman once, Ward complained to HR about the former general assignment reporter. It's unclear what exactly happened between the two men.

But the most shocking post of all was a video Flanagan took of the attack, which he shared on his Twitter.The chilling clip is taken from Flanagan's point of view and shows him approaching the two journalists as they were interviewing Vicki Gardner, the local chamber of commerce.

He opens fire first on Ward and then turns to kill Parker. Parke and Ward died at the scene while Gardner was rushed to Roanoke Memorial Hospital for emergency surgery.

After posting the graphic video of the attack, Flanagan's Twitter account was suspended.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3211529/WDBJ7-reporter-Alison-Parker-Adam-Ward-shot-live-TV-Moneta-gunman.html#ixzz3jwBVh03a
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[lewis111]

How awful, they were reporting on tourism as well, I know it's not important but it just seems something so calm and chilled and an easy day at work, Tragic :(

[Pete.]

The shooter posted POV videos of the shooting on his Twitter and Facebook it seems

[Crimson Dynamo]

On heavy.com you can see the shooters personal video :omgno:

its amazing he stood right next to them with his gun pointed for 10 seconds and they did not see it

amazing video if macabre

[Amy Jade]

https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2015/Aug/26/LiveLeak-dot-com-04b_1440601688-CNV-G_QUwAAG_Oi_1440601697.png.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccf b6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd3964b44d dd39688&ec_rate=230

I think this is the killer in the middle
Yeah it is, his face in in the shooting video on LiveLeak, he is a patheic coward. Deserves no burial imo and deffo no headstone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

On his Twitter account, he said Parker made racist comments. He also said Adam Ward went to human resources on him.

[Iceman]

if you look at Kaotic or Liveleak you see people dying everyday. I just saw a fighter get a headshot in slowmo from an Isis sniper.

Its not goulish i find it interesting to see what really goes on in the world

We aren't a sit looking for clicks. There are young people who use this site, we don't encourage posting death videos as its sick and anyone who is here for that needs a serious revaluation of their life.

[T*]

the tweets:
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/cnwfbckuwaavmbs.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all

[T*]

On heavy.com you can see the shooters personal video :omgno:

its amazing he stood right next to them with his gun pointed for 10 seconds and they did not see it

amazing video if macabre

The video is terrifying

[Amy Jade]

evil ****ing coward he missed the reporter 3 times at point blank range.

She was only 24 :(

[T*]

The picture on the daily mail is so sad :(

[T*]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/26/15/2BAE367100000578-3211529-image-a-61_1440601080152.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/26/15/2BAE1FE300000578-3211529-Parker_s_left_boyfriend_of_nine_months_was_WDBJ_pu blic_safety_an-a-35_1440598581821.jpg
:sad:

[Crimson Dynamo]

We aren't a sit looking for clicks. There are young people who use this site, we don't encourage posting death videos as its sick and anyone who is here for that needs a serious revaluation of their life.

I am not sure what point you are making to me as I did not wish to post a link and can understand if admin dont want it. Tom wanted to post the link. All I said was that I wanted to see the video.

You may think its sick to view them and that is great - I dont need my life re-evaluated by your standards thanks, keep them for your own self.

[Amy Jade]

We aren't a sit looking for clicks. There are young people who use this site, we don't encourage posting death videos as its sick and anyone who is here for that needs a serious revaluation of their life.

I think it's a bit unfair to assume a person needs to reavaluate their lives for posting a video they found shocking and wanted to discuss it here.

If somebody posted it going 'lol look' etc then yeah but as part of a debate pov

[Crimson Dynamo]

The video is terrifying

they did not see him standing like 5 feet away with the gun as they were so focussed on the clip

[MB.]

Apparently the gunman isn't dead but is in critical condition

[Pete.]

Apparently the gunman isn't dead but is in critical condition
:think:

[Scarlett.]

There's no gore or anything but okay
Can I post the link?

The majority of the forum dont want to see two people's lives end.

****ing America...

Just last weekend those two ****heads were going to shoot up an event filled with kids and young people... now this, for ****s sake how many more rampages and slaughter til America admits, that yes, there IS a big gun problem. Tighten your ****ing regulations.

[Niamh.]

The majority of the forum dont want to see two people's lives end.

****ing America...

Just last weekend those two ****heads were going to shoot up an event filled with kids and young people... now this, for ****s sake how many more rampages and slaughter til America admits, that yes, there IS a big gun problem. Tighten your ****ing regulations.

Nah, just been reading alot of comments on this and most of the Americans are posting "Guns don't kill people, people do" type argument

[Crimson Dynamo]

The problem is that there are logical arguments for and against

But if you own a gun your likelyhood of killing someone or yourself rises dramatically no matter who you are

As I have said 30 people a day die in the USA - 28 others will die today too.

[Niamh.]

The problem is that there are logical arguments for and against

But if you own a gun your likelyhood of killing someone or yourself rises dramatically no matter who you are

As I have said 30 people a day die in the USA - 28 others will die today too.

yeah pretty much

[Ramsay]

Woooo guns! yayyy

[Iceman]

I am not sure what point you are making to me as I did not wish to post a link and can understand if admin dont want it. Tom wanted to post the link. All I said was that I wanted to see the video.

You may think its sick to view them and that is great - I dont need my life re-evaluated by your standards thanks, keep them for your own self.

I think it's a bit unfair to assume a person needs to reavaluate their lives for posting a video they found shocking and wanted to discuss it here.

If somebody posted it going 'lol look' etc then yeah but as part of a debate pov

Sorry that wasn't directed at this forum at all. More to the live leak website in general. I get why it seems like it looks I was talking about here but I genuinely wasn't.

[lewis111]

I really hate the whole "guns don't kill people, people do" argument, just look at countries without guns and see how much lower their murder rate is.
There needs to be much much tighter restrictions put on them ASAP, there's been so many reasons to do so in the past and still someone can wlak up to 2 people and shoot them.

[Jordan.]

Wtf I just saw both the videos. Hope the asshole survives so he can suffer in jail

[Iceman]

I really hate the whole "guns don't kill people, people do" argument, just look at countries without guns and see how much lower their murder rate is.
There needs to be much much tighter restrictions put on them ASAP, there's been so many reasons to do so in the past and still someone can wlak up to 2 people and shoot them.

But if you live in America you've got the NRA who have a huge swing with the vote. It can make or break a candidate.

[Natalie.]

How awful :(

[lewis111]

But if you live in America you've got the NRA who have a huge swing with the vote. It can make or break a candidate.

Yea I understand, just kind of sad that they chose money and power over lives

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sorry that wasn't directed at this forum at all. More to the live leak website in general. I get why it seems like it looks I was talking about here but I genuinely wasn't.

Ok no probs

[Cherie]

The gunman uploaded footage of the shooting onto his facebook :umm2:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/26/15/2BADFE1100000578-3211529-image-a-31_1440598581548.jpg
[Reporter Alison Parker, 24, tries to flee
as about eight gunshots ring out during the live taping.]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3211529/WDBJ7-reporter-Alison-Parker-Adam-Ward-shot-live-TV-Moneta-gunman.html#ixzz3jwTaKXbI

A Sad Day

[Benjamin]

We aren't a sit looking for clicks. There are young people who use this site, we don't encourage posting death videos as its sick and anyone who is here for that needs a serious revaluation of their life.

Whoah, calm it down. I use those sites and watch stuff like that as it intrigues me and I do writing on it (not the beheadings though, those are just even too horrific for me). I don't need a reavulation of my life.

[Xtopher]

Someone pm the live tv one, only saw the killers POV. Pleaseeee.

[Northern Monkey]

The gunman's Pov vid is on YT just type POV in your search.The camera goes off as they're running so you don't actually see them go down.Mad.
Edit:observations:Idk how they did'nt see him stood there with a gun pointing at them and also he was a f'king awful shot,He fired idk how many shots whilst stood right next to them.

[Nedusa]

At least US Gun crime is totally indescriminate which I suppose is something in a Country proud of its record of non descrimination

[Ashley.]

Apparently the gunman isn't dead but is in critical condition

We just need someone to take out his life support

[arista]

We just need someone to take out his life support

He may not last long

[Crimson Dynamo]

imagine the poor medical staff trying to help him

[Northern Monkey]

imagine the poor medical staff trying to help him

I bet they're tempted to just say that they could'nt save him,Even if they can.

[kirklancaster]

I bet they're tempted to just say that they could'nt save him,Even if they can.

I wouldn't even fecking try.

[arista]

The sad thing is
that Lady was moving up
as she had a nice way to interview.

The Former Worker
was Crazy, kept saying it was because he was black
even though a Judge checked everything
it was because of his mental state
they let him go.

Nothing At all to do with his Color

[arista]

State Police just confirmed the Killer
died in hospital


Justice
thank you Hospital Workers

[Kazanne]

State Police just confirmed the Killer
died in hospital


Justice
thank you Hospital Workers

I'm really tempted to say I wish he had lived and suffered the consequences.

[Scarlett.]

State Police just confirmed the Killer
died in hospital


Justice
thank you Hospital Workers

Good.

[Ninastar]

hope he rots in hell

[Ashley.]

He took the easy way out tbh. He couldn't face up to what he had done.

[Jordan.]

He wanted to die and avoid the consequences so I don't find it good news

[Ramsay]

He wanted to die and avoid the consequences so I don't find it good news

indeed, would preferred he rotted in prison and let the guilt consume him for the rest of his life but oh well. scumbag.

[Natalie.]

He wanted to die and avoid the consequences so I don't find it good news

Yeah, me neither

[Iceman]

Whoah, calm it down. I use those sites and watch stuff like that as it intrigues me and I do writing on it (not the beheadings though, those are just even too horrific for me). I don't need a reavulation of my life.

I don't think I need to calm anything down in fairness. If watching **** like that floats your boat and inspires you to write then great. I personally wouldn't use a click bait site like that, I just find it horrific.

[Benjamin]

I don't think I need to calm anything down in fairness. If watching **** like that floats your boat and inspires you to write then great. I personally wouldn't use a click bait site like that, I just find it horrific.

Well telling people to re-evaluate their lives if they go to these sites is a bit of a douche thing to say tbh just because it's not your thing.

[Ammi]

State Police just confirmed the Killer
died in hospital


Justice
thank you Hospital Workers

..that's far from justice though, he's avoided justice...and I question any hospital worker who would allow anyone to die without trying to save their life so...thank you to them, I'm not sure that's appropriate...

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/26/17/article-3211529-2BAEEAA000000578-88_964x400.jpg
The Crazy killer on the Right
Died in Hospital.
He shot himself.

[Benjamin]

The poor journalists. The look on her face, she had already been shot once at that point too. :(

I'm so annoyed that fat **** killed himself, I wanted him to rot in jail.

[Jordan.]

In the 23-page document faxed to ABC News, the writer says “MY NAME IS BRYCE WILLIAMS” and his legal name is Vester Lee Flanagan II. He writes what triggered today’s carnage was his reaction to the racism of the Charleston church shooting:

“Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15…”

“What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them."

It is unclear whose initials he is referring to. He continues, “As for Dylann Roof? You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!” He said Jehovah spoke to him, telling him to act

Later in the manifesto, the writer quotes the Virginia Tech mass killer, Seung Hui Cho, calls him “his boy,” and expresses admiration for the Columbine High School killers. “Also, I was influenced by Seung–Hui Cho. That’s my boy right there. He got NEARLY double the amount that Eric Harris and Dylann Klebold got…just sayin.'"

In an often rambling letter to the authorities, and family and friends, he writes of a long list of grievances. In one part of the document, Williams calls it a “Suicide Note for Friends and Family."

He says has suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work
He says he has been attacked by black men and white females
He talks about how he was attacked for being a gay, black man

“Yes, it will sound like I am angry...I am. And I have every right to be. But when I leave this Earth, the only emotion I want to feel is peace....”

“The church shooting was the tipping point…but my anger has been building steadily...I’ve been a human powder keg for a while…just waiting to go BOOM!!!!”

:umm2:

[Amy Jade]

I hate him, I hope he rots and they refuse him a funeral and any sort of headstone or place to remember him.

[Ninastar]

he looks so kind and innocent in that picture... but what he did was unforgivable. what did they do so wrong for him to kill them? they were innocent :sad:

[reece(:]

The ****er deserved to live and suffer!

Those vids were a sad watch.

[arista]

..that's far from justice though, he's avoided justice...and I question any hospital worker who would allow anyone to die without trying to save their life so...thank you to them, I'm not sure that's appropriate...

Yes I Get You.


But I know how America thinks

Those Hospital workers
are Heroes

[arista]

The poor journalists. The look on her face, she had already been shot once at that point too. :(

I'm so annoyed that fat **** killed himself, I wanted him to rot in jail.


Yes she started to Run
the Crazy Evil Man
Shot her in her Back

[Ammi]

Yes I Get You.


But I know how America thinks

Those Hospital workers
are Heroes

..they're not really heroes because they would have tried to save his life, which is their job..obviously they failed t do that...

...personally I would have preferred to see him face justice for what he did, although I feel no sadness that he's dead (for him..)...I do feel sad for his family who are not only grieving his death but are living with what he did.../I can't imagine how that would be for a parent...

[arista]

..they're not really heroes because they would have tried to save his life, which is their job..obviously they failed t do that...

...personally I would have preferred to see him face justice for what he did, although I feel no sadness that he's dead (for him..)...I do feel sad for his family who are not only grieving his death but are living with what he did.../I can't imagine how that would be for a parent...

On USA TV News
they are all saying he was EVIL


How you been In America?

[Ammi]

On USA TV News
they are all saying he was EVIL


How you been In America?

..do you mean, have I been in America..?../yes a few times...

[Ashley.]

..they're not really heroes because they would have tried to save his life, which is their job..obviously they failed t do that...

...personally I would have preferred to see him face justice for what he did, although I feel no sadness that he's dead (for him..)...I do feel sad for his family who are not only grieving his death but are living with what he did.../I can't imagine how that would be for a parent...

His parents should've raised him not to pull guns out on innocent people.

[Ammi]

..what age was he..?..and all of those years of his life of not pulling guns out and shooting people, I really don't see how any responsibility/blame for what he did can be placed on his parents...

[user104658]

His parents should've raised him not to pull guns out on innocent people.
That's a bit simplistic isn't it... He was obviously an incredibly broken individual, based on his letter and what he did. I don't think he became a murderer because his parents failed to teach him that shooting people is naughty.

[kirklancaster]

State Police just confirmed the Killer
died in hospital


Justice
thank you Hospital Workers

:dance::dance::dance: "Oh Happy Days" :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

One less evil psycho in this fractured world. :cheer2::cheer2:

[lostalex]

The motives and personality of the killer remind me of Colin Ferguson in the 90's. a black guy that shot up a train in new york (like in france recently) and claimed he was the victim of racism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_Rail_Road_massacre

This was a hate crime, no doubt.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/26/414331/default/v1/telegraph-1-563x750.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/26/414329/default/v2/express-1-563x750.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/26/414332/default/v1/mail-1-442x589.jpg

[waterhog]

guns the USA and the solution - and the run ? 27.08.15



there is a craze

its not all hidden

to purchase a lethal weapon is no maze

its so easy to get what should be forbidden.

on live TV it was divesting

everyone must admit to the distress

with social media to the "twisted" its calculating

that's why i am appealing to congress.

there is a positive perspective

but again its "thinking" is corrupt

al qaeda and Ghad have lost there objective

there no1 threat has ended abrupt.

will come round mr obama

or will he defend the gun lobby

i think the USA are reaping karma

just to stick with this law that every citizen can shoot like a bobby.

guns can only result in tragic

that's why the USA need to bite the bullet

a world with out this weapon would be pure magic

its like Euro 88 and the contribution from team and captain ruh hullet.

[lostalex]

guns the USA and the solution - and the run ? 27.08.15



there is a craze

its not all hidden

to purchase a lethal weapon is no maze

its so easy to get what should be forbidden.

on live TV it was divesting

everyone must admit to the distress

with social media to the "twisted" its calculating

that's why i am appealing to congress.

there is a positive perspective

but again its "thinking" is corrupt

al qaeda and Ghad have lost there objective

there no1 threat has ended abrupt.

will come round mr obama

or will he defend the gun lobby

i think the USA are reaping karma

just to stick with this law that every citizen can shoot like a bobby.

guns can only result in tragic

that's why the USA need to bite the bullet

a world with out this weapon would be pure magic

its like Euro 88 and the contribution from team and captain ruh hullet.

yea, I'd much rather get my head cut off by a muslim with a big knife while a crowd of people are filming with camera phones (cough*leerigby*cough), the UK has so much to teach the US.

[user104658]

yea, I'd much rather get my head cut off by a muslim with a big knife while a crowd of people are filming with camera phones (cough*leerigby*cough), the UK has so much to teach the US.

I'm not a patriot Alex but this is a bit misleading. The violent crime and (especially) gun crime stats in the UK pale in comparison to the US.

The population of the US is roughly 5 times that of the UK so here are the stats if you "inflate" the UK to the same population level, with rough figures:

Murders:

US = 13000
UK = 750 x 5 = 3750


Murders with firearms:

US = 9,500
UK = (15 x 5) = 75



The UK actually has a bigger "crime problem" than the US when it comes to petty crimes, drugs, theft etc. but the violent crime rate is far, far lower than the United States. The US has a problem with violent crime and especially gun crime. That isn't something that should be ignored.

[Vanessa]

This is really shocking and sad. :sad:

[lostalex]

I'm not a patriot Alex but this is a bit misleading. The violent crime and (especially) gun crime stats in the UK pale in comparison to the US.

The population of the US is roughly 5 times that of the UK so here are the stats if you "inflate" the UK to the same population level, with rough figures:

Murders:

US = 13000
UK = 750 x 5 = 3750


Murders with firearms:

US = 9,500
UK = (15 x 5) = 75



The UK actually has a bigger "crime problem" than the US when it comes to petty crimes, drugs, theft etc. but the violent crime rate is far, far lower than the United States. The US has a problem with violent crime and especially gun crime. That isn't something that should be ignored.

it's also not to be ignored that most of those murders happen in specific communities and or specific situations. the majority occur in specific communities in inner cities, and or happen as domestic violence.

It's not like the average person in America experiences a significantly higher risk of being killed than the average brit. those figures are mostly talking about domestic violence, and gang related murder in very specific neighborhoods in big cities.

and giving numbers for murders ONLY with firearms, is a silly number to give, i don't care whether i'm killed with a gun or a knife or a rope or a pencil...murder is murder. so i don't know why you are specifying by just murders with GUNS.

There was a mass murder in the US last year where a guy just drove his Car into a crowd of people. Elliot rodger. The half asian half white kid that hated women, and wanted to kill all jocks and all beautiful women, because he didn't get enough sex. he used a car as his major weapon.

[user104658]

it's also not to be ignored that most of those murders happen in specific communities and or specific situations. the majority occur in specific communities in inner cities, and or happen as domestic violence.

It's not like the average person in America experiences a significantly higher risk of being killed than the average brit. those figures are mostly talking about domestic violence, and gang related murder in very specific neighborhoods in big cities.

I understand that, and the figures are far less skewed if you take big cities out of the equation, or even if you just compare London to a similarly-sized US city (with some notable exceptions) and I appreciate what you're saying about the safety of the average person... however, does that entirely matter? It doesn't change the fact that IN these situations, it is (in all likelihood) the easy availability of firearms that leads to the higher death rates. For example - there is certainly just as much domestic violence in the UK as in the US. However, it far less often ends in a death, not in small part due to the fact that there is unlikely to be a gun involved.

You could even take the incident in this thread as an example. One man armed with a knife could kill people - certainly - but the odds of survival in that situation would have been far higher. That scales exponentially with the number of victims. A man armed with a gun can walk into a room and gun down 10 people in 20 seconds before anyone can stop him, if they're caught unawares and he's a decent shot. A man walks into a room with 20 adults in it armed with a knife - or even a larger weapon like a samuri sword (as has happened) - the chances of him successfully attacking all 20 is very slim.

In short; The people in the US aren't more violent than the people in the UK. The situations, and motivations, aren't really any different either. The UK also has domestic violence and gang violence. So what accounts for the vast difference in the death rate? The only answer, really, is the fact that there is easier access to more consistently lethal weaponry.

[Niamh.]

I understand that, and the figures are far less skewed if you take big cities out of the equation, or even if you just compare London to a similarly-sized US city (with some notable exceptions) and I appreciate what you're saying about the safety of the average person... however, does that entirely matter? It doesn't change the fact that IN these situations, it is (in all likelihood) the easy availability of firearms that leads to the higher death rates. For example - there is certainly just as much domestic violence in the UK as in the US. However, it far less often ends in a death, not in small part due to the fact that there is unlikely to be a gun involved.

You could even take the incident in this thread as an example. One man armed with a knife could kill people - certainly - but the odds of survival in that situation would have been far higher. That scales exponentially with the number of victims. A man armed with a gun can walk into a room and gun down 10 people in 20 seconds before anyone can stop him, if they're caught unawares and he's a decent shot. A man walks into a room with 20 adults in it armed with a knife - or even a larger weapon like a samuri sword (as has happened) - the chances of him successfully attacking all 20 is very slim.

In short; The people in the US aren't more violent than the people in the UK. The situations, and motivations, aren't really any different either. The UK also has domestic violence and gang violence. So what accounts for the vast difference in the death rate? The only answer, really, is the fact that there is easier access to more consistently lethal weaponry.

Yep exactly

[user104658]

and giving numbers for murders ONLY with firearms, is a silly number to give, i don't care whether i'm killed with a gun or a knife or a rope or a pencil...murder is murder. so i don't know why you are specifying by just murders with GUNS.

This is specifically why I gave the numbers without guns, too, if you'll do a little maths there Alex. The difference in overall murders is far less than the difference in the numbers with guns and, in fact, if you take gun crime OUT of the equation it looks like this:

US murders without firearms = 3500
UK Murders without firearms = 735 x 5 = 3675

That in itself should be illustrative?

[lostalex]

I just feel like the gun problem is like pandora's box. i don't know how you would get SO MANY guns out of such a LARGE country. and even if we did get them out, wouldn't that just create a bigger market for the Mexican gangs to sell illegal guns, just like with drugs?

I feel like it's a pandora's box situation. The gun are already out in such large numbers that it would be impossible to get them all back.

[Lostie!]

Yes I Get You.


But I know how America thinks

Those Hospital workers
are Heroes

All hospital workers are heroes. And that's because they save lives on a daily basis, and at least try to in the cases that are unsuccessful. Not because they let certain patients die.

You seem to be assuming that they just let him die, and I very much doubt that (and if they did, they woudn't be doing their jobs). Our opinion on the man in question is irrelevant there.

[user104658]

I just feel like the gun problem is like pandora's box. i don't know how you would get SO MANY guns out of such a LARGE country. and even if we did get them out, wouldn't that just create a bugger market for the Mexican gangs to sell illegal guns, just like with drugs?

I feel like it's a pandora's box situation. The gun are already out in such large numbers that it would be impossible to get them all back.

That I do agree with; I think that in practical terms, guns are so ingrained in certain areas that it would be impossible to reverse now. You could make them illegal but there are already so many firearms available that anyone who wanted to get hold of one would still be able to. You couldn't physically remove them without some sort of massive Orwellian crackdown that would result in violence on a massie scale.

[lostalex]

All hospital workers are heroes. And that's because they save lives on a daily basis, and at least try to in the cases that are unsuccessful. Not because they let certain patients die.

You seem to be assuming that they just let him die, and I very much doubt that (and if they did, they woudn't be doing their jobs). Our opinion on the man in question is irrelevant there.

I agree, if anyone was gonna let him die it would have been the law enforcement that first got there, not the people at the hospital.

no matter what happened though, the world is a better place without him in it. good riddance.

[Jay28jay2]

Does anyone know what happened to the woman she was interviewing?

[lostalex]

Does anyone know what happened to the woman she was interviewing?

she died.

[Ashley.]

she died.

Really? Why have only the interviewer and the cameraman been getting press then? That's a bit harsh. Unless of course the interviewee's family chose not to make a big deal.

[Benjamin]

No she didn't. Vicki Gardner is in a stable condition in hospital awaiting surgery.

[Ashley.]

No she didn't. Vicki Gardner is in a stable condition in hospital awaiting surgery.

Oh, phew! Glad she's getting well, must've been such a traumatic experience for her. :(

[lostalex]

No she didn't. Vicki Gardner is in a stable condition in hospital awaiting surgery.

why did he shoot her? i thought he was only going after his former colleagues... oh yea, because she's white...

HATE CRIME

[Benjamin]

why did he shoot her? i thought he was only going after his former colleagues... oh yea, because she's white...

HATE CRIME

He did shoot her, not sure if he was meant to, if he was he would have killed her like he did the other two.

[lostalex]

He did shoot her, not sure if he was meant to, if he was he would have killed her like he did the other two.

well he also tried to kill himself, but he didn['t accomplish that immediately either, did he?

he was certainly no genius. he;s clearly a race baiting moron, just like that white kid that shot up a black church a few months ago.

don't give him more credit than he deserves.

[Benjamin]

well he also tried to kill himself, but he didn['t accomplish that immediately either, did he?

he was certainly no genius. he;s clearly a race baiting moron, just like that white kid that shot up a black church a few months ago.

don't give him more credit than he deserves.

Ermm, I'm not giving him credit. He did kill himself, maybe not straight away but enough to end his life. If he had meant to kill Vicki he would have, he was at close range, She was not his target.

[lostalex]

Ermm, I'm not giving him credit. He did kill himself, maybe not straight away but enough to end his life. If he had meant to kill Vicki he would have, he was at close range, She was not his target.

oh i see, he just shot her, cause he knew exactly what injuries she would have but he really wanted her to live! that makes total sense. shoot someone that you don't want to kill, because you want her to live...

are you listening to yourself?

[Niamh.]

This argument is so stupid :facepalm:

[lostalex]

This argument is so stupid :facepalm:

seriously :facepalm:

[Benjamin]

oh i see, he just shot her, cause he knew exactly what injuries she would have but he really wanted her to live! that makes total sense. shoot someone that you don't want to kill, because you want her to live...

are you listening to yourself?



Are you listening to yourself? Stop acting like a dick and trying to fight with everything everyone says. I'm not arguing with you, I am stating my opinion (which you have the problem with) and if you feel differently then fine, but please get over this looking for a fight in every thread.

[Ashley.]

oh i see, he just shot her, cause he knew exactly what injuries she would have but he really wanted her to live! that makes total sense. shoot someone that you don't want to kill, because you want her to live...

are you listening to yourself?

What the hell Alex?

[smudgie]

Going by what a crap shot he was, he could probably have hit Vicki with a stray bullet.
Ruddy maniac.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/28/06/2BB9F52100000578-3213766-image-m-20_1440737993863.jpg
[The only decorations in the whole apartment
appear to be images of Flanagan himself,
taken in his younger, thinner days - including
an image of himself at the start
of his reporting career (top right)]

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[Z]

The actions of a self obsessed egotistical maniac who couldn't handle rejection and took it out on his replacement. Tragic crime.