Tila statement re. ejection / comments

[reece(:]

idk if this has been posted or nah

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNija3qUwAAyHQc.jpg

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[Daniel-X]

This is actually really sad. She's clearly so sorry about her actions and I feel really bad for her. She seemed a nice enough person to me from what I saw in her two episodes and if she was going through a bad time then that's really sad. I'm glad she's apologised for what she's done though and has admitted it was wrong.

It's a shame that she'll never get given a second chance off CBB as she probably would've been an excellent housemate. I just really wish her luck tbh and hope nobody carries on attacking her for such a silly mistake she made when she clearly wasn't a well woman

[Daniel.]

:(

Let her back in BB

[Rob!]

Can one of her other personalities come back instead?

[ConnieLingus]

Right now, I am as depressed as I've ever been in my life.

I have nothing to look forward to, no one to speak to except other idiots on the internet, and hate everything.

I still hate Adolf Hitler and anti Semites.

How does that fit in?

[Oaker]

Please give her a second chance :bawling:

[lostalex]

This is actually really sad. She's clearly so sorry about her actions and I feel really bad for her. She seemed a nice enough person to me from what I saw in her two episodes and if she was going through a bad time then that's really sad. I'm glad she's apologised for what she's done though and has admitted it was wrong.

It's a shame that she'll never get given a second chance off CBB as she probably would've been an excellent housemate. I just really wish her luck tbh and hope nobody carries on attacking her for such a silly mistake she made when she clearly wasn't a well woman

it's not even her actions, it's just what she said. She hasn't gone out and abused any jewish people or minorities, she just said some stupid things.

People really need to understand the difference between saying hurtful things and actually hurting people. she hasn't actually hurt anyone.

And that's why freedom of speech is so important.

[Jordan.]

She'll never be able to move on and be a better person if her current experiences are ruined by her past being dragged up. BB has only caused more harm removing her.

[Rob!]

I really don't get why she was removed at all tbh. Yeah her views are/were ****ty but since when did that get you removed?

[Mitchell]

Not a Tila fan, but that's really sad.

[reece(:]

Please give her a second chance :bawling:
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The removal was BS in the first place.

[Grotbags]

Her APOLOGY is BS!

The Nazi comments were just the tip of the iceberg for her, and blaming her addiction, depression, suicidal thoughts is offensive.

I do blame BB for a lot of this because they should have done their research and never let her into the house in the first place.

As recently as the 17th of August she was posting Facebook statuses such as this about her baby -

'She got so mad at me for trying to wrap this thing around her head so it looks like she's wearing a hijab! But she kept snatching it off her head, and giving me the meanest cute look! I can't with this crazy Lil child of mine! So this was the best I could get of her to stay still. Now she terrorizing the home like it's 9/11! Awww shieeeeeeet! ������ And why does my child look Irish here? I promise you it's just the lighting. Lol ‪#‎IsabellaMonroe‬ ‪#‎Burberrybaby‬ ‪#‎SwagLikMom‬ ‪#‎LittleRebel‬ ‪#‎Terrorist‬'

[Xtopher]

Please put her back in the house! Ugh, I wanna hug her.

[camertone]

She'll never be able to move on and be a better person if her current experiences are ruined by her past being dragged up. BB has only caused more harm removing her.

indeed, it was a bully move by BB

[Smithy]

I feel really bad for her, I remember videos of herself she posted online with her wrists covered in cuts and stuff :( she was clearly really unwell when she posted it

[y.winter]

I think the 7/7 bombers should've done better and killed more. They just had a tough childhood.*

Oh forgive me, I'm in my darkest moment right now, oh hug me!

Sorry guys, your pathetic need of entertainment no matter what is just sad. You should be ashamed of yourself.

*I don't really think that, needless to say

[armand.kay]

I think the 7/7 bombers should've done better and killed more. They just had a tough childhood.

Oh forgive me, I'm in my darkest moment right now, oh hug me!

Sorry guys, your pathetic need of entertainment no matter what is just sad. You should be ashamed of yourself.

*I don't really think that, needless to say

Jesus how is this even comparable to writing some crazy conspiracy about hitler really being a nice person? :umm2:

[y.winter]

Jesus how is this even comparable to writing some crazy conspiracy about hitler really being a nice person? :umm2:

You're right, it's not comparable. 6 million people died in the Holocaust, it's way way more than the london attacks.
I'm sorry You're hurt by this sentence, but it was just to show how you all know nothing about what happened on WW2 and are just up for entertainment in a TV show.
My grandfather had to runaway and make a heartbreaking desicion to leave is 7 siblings and mother and father and friends and relatives to survive.
He lived in the woods, hide in dark basements, begged for food and looked for kindness - all while knowing his familly is butchered one by one by Hitler and his supporters.
You talk about Tila going through a tough time in 2013 justyfing this? Let's talk about my grandather's hard time and how he dealt with it.

I'm absolutely fuming at people craving for a housemate in big brother just to satisfy their momentary enjoyment.

[Cherie]

It confirms that you need to be careful about what you put out on social media, an attempt to be edgy, or controversial can come back and bite you on the bum many years later. Take note!

[Cherie]

You're right, it's not comparable. 6 million people died in the Holocaust, it's way way more than the london attacks.
I'm sorry You're hurt by this sentence, but it was just to show how you all know nothing about what happened on WW2 and are just up for entertainment in a TV show.
My grandfather had to runaway and make a heartbreaking desicion to leave is 7 siblings and mother and father and friends and relatives to survive.
He lived in the woods, hide in dark basements, begged for food and looked for kindness - all while knowing his familly is butchered one by one by Hitler and his supporters.
You talk about Tila going through a tough time in 2013 justyfing this? Let's talk about my grandather's hard time and how he dealt with it.

I'm absolutely fuming at people craving for a housemate in big brother just to satisfy their momentary enjoyment.


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[lostalex]

I really don't get why she was removed at all tbh. Yeah her views are/were ****ty but since when did that get you removed?

exactly and katie hopkins said just as bad before she went into the house and was allowed into the final.

[bots]

exactly and katie hopkins said just as bad before she went into the house and was allowed into the final.

As much as I dislike Hopkins, nothing she has said compares to that of Tila

[Kizzy]

I don't think it's that, I think it's the multiple personalities she admitted to having, if it was simply a question of a runaway gob then BB has been full of them, Nikki, Katie, Helen....

[armand.kay]

You're right, it's not comparable. 6 million people died in the Holocaust, it's way way more than the london attacks.
I'm sorry You're hurt by this sentence, but it was just to show how you all know nothing about what happened on WW2 and are just up for entertainment in a TV show.
My grandfather had to runaway and make a heartbreaking desicion to leave is 7 siblings and mother and father and friends and relatives to survive.
He lived in the woods, hide in dark basements, begged for food and looked for kindness - all while knowing his familly is butchered one by one by Hitler and his supporters.
You talk about Tila going through a tough time in 2013 justyfing this? Let's talk about my grandather's hard time and how he dealt with it.

I'm absolutely fuming at people craving for a housemate in big brother just to satisfy their momentary enjoyment.
Tila's post was probably some insane conspiracy theory that she read and got carried away with. Although what she said was ludicrous you cant really blame her for the events of the holocaust nor can you compare her to the terrorists responsible for 7/7.

[y.winter]

Tila's post was probably some insane conspiracy theory that she read and got carried away with. Although what she said was ludicrous you cant really blame her for the events of the holocaust nor can you compare her to the terrorists responsible for 7/7.

If you'll read again, you'll see I didn't compare her to the terrorist but as one who says "meh, you can't blame them, they had their reasons"...
Can't you see the irony? Me just mentioning 7/7 and you just "freak out" but when someone try to make sense of the hitler's actions it's not that of an issue.
And why is that? because you can relate to something that happened in your own country than to something that has happened in the 30's of the previous century to a (massive) group of people from outside of the UK (although not exactly) that you don't really know (the last survivors are now 85+ years old and they won't live much longer).
Do you know what is the sign Tila's wearing on her arm really means? Do you know where those railways led to? Do you know what has really happened inside those "houses" behind her? Can you even comprehend the amount of 6,000,000 million lives (without even counting the gays, gypsies, blacks and other "sub-races")? Have you ever been to a concentration camp? Did you ever see the pictures of those big holes in the ground with the unbelievable pile of dead skinny dead bodies of men, women and children?
It's really easy to live with it when you living comforts with the concern of a potential "****ty" series because of removing a housemates because "something" they said to years ago.

[jennyjuniper]

I don't think it's just what she said. After all a slip of the tongue or a stupid remark can happen to anyone. But didn't she have her picture taken outside Auschwitz, wearing a SS cap and swastika armband? If true, then that's a hell of a lot more serious than an idiotic remark.

[Denver]

Let not forget this a women who think muslim women clothes are some to make fun off and dress her child in

[bots]

BB offered her the chance to put the record straight with respect to her comments, she didn't, so they removed her. Seems straightforward enough to me. This can be seen from the official statement released by Channel 5

[Pete.]

Tragic mess

[Pete.]

I don't think it's just what she said. After all a slip of the tongue or a stupid remark can happen to anyone. But didn't she have her picture taken outside Auschwitz, wearing a SS cap and swastika armband? If true, then that's a hell of a lot more serious than an idiotic remark.
Because she was mentally ill and depressed when she made it. You have no control over what you do, did you read the statement?

[Robodog]

The question is how much do we let past events from OUTSIDE the BB house influence what happens to the HMs once they enter the house?

This is a gameshow. I thought we were meant to judge BB HMs on who they are 'on the gameshow' not pick over their past and judge them according to that. This isn't a court of law.

Most of all, BB should have done their homework BEFORE she went in to save all this upset and embarassment.

This is the age of social media and Channel 5 are a media company, so it's pretty poor show of them to go THIS far; letting her in and then 24hours later suddenly going 'oops, sorry we don't like what you said years ago, so out you go!'

I'm sure too that over 50% of those other HMs have either said or done something regrettable in the past that could be found offensive by someone, somewhere. Do we set a team of lawyers to rake over all their years of social media postings and as soon as we find dirt on them then - wham - kick them out?

If Tila had made illegal comments once inside the BB house then of course remove her.

If she was a proper nazi sympathiser and remained so even when challenged then of course do the same.

But clearly she regretted what she said, she was probably trying to be 'excitingly controversial' at the time but she made a very poor error of judgement and it backfired. A bit like Prince Harry's Nazi uniform at that fancy dress party.

She's not claiming to be a nazi sympathiser. She didn't say anything illegal. She made a distasteful, misguided comment which she clearly now regrets. And it happened years ago - long before she entered the house. How long can you go on punishing someone for that when they already accept how bad it was?

I think it's harsh and very poorly managed by BB. They should sort out all this type of thing out LONG before they let HMs enter, not let it get this far.

Poor show from BB.

[Denver]

Because she was mentally ill and depressed when she made it. You have no control over what you do, did you read the statement?

So when a mentally ill and depressed person goes out and murders someone they should be spared prison as they had no control over what they did?

[QueenCharley]

wow at this show....

surely very offensive but what about the comments of katie hopkins especially in regards to the elderly etc....

there is no grounds for removal... they basically flew her over for nothing due to their own poor research, idiots.

[Pete.]

So when a mentally ill and depressed person goes out and murders someone they should be spared prison as they had no control over what they did?

Don't be silly :joker:

[Daniel-X]

Didn't Hopkins out something on Twitter after the helicopter crash in Glasgow and made a sick joke about it? I know WW2 is one of the if not the most tragic event the world has ever seen and I do NOT condone anything Tila has said but people are forgetting this woman had mental health issues at the time and did not know what she was doing. It's such an idiotic mistake to make but I didn't see Hopkins being hated for making a joke about the helicopter crash which was vile and low of her (I didn't think she reached new lows) and she didn't have mental health issues at the time

[Raph]

Tila :(

[Ross.]

There's so much more to this story than "I love the Nazis lol Hitler was the greatest man on earth omg xxxxx", it's been explained what she was going through at the time which is why people at sympathising with her.

I personally don't think it was grounds for ejection, considering most if not all CBB housemates have had a shady past. She wouldn't have been casted anyway if the producers done their job in the first place.

Disclaimer: I don't condone anything that Tila said.

[Denver]

There's so much more to this story than "I love the Nazis lol Hitler was the greatest man on earth omg xxxxx", it's been explained what she was going through at the time which is why people at sympathising with her.

I personally don't think it was grounds for ejection, considering most if not all CBB housemates have had a shady past. She wouldn't have been casted anyway if the producers done their job in the first place.

Disclaimer: I don't condone anything that Tila said.

What she said though is illegal in this country and is one of the worst thing anyone could say

[cfromhx02]

She is S c um and that's the end of it.There is no excuse,no matter how brain dead you are for supporting Hitler and the Nazis.

It is very well publicized and clearly explained and anyway it's f obvious that not everyone in one group or race is the same as so many opposed to Immigration seem to think.

It is really important to oppose these views,whether accidentally said through being stupid or not,because it is so well publicized and so obvious that not everyone in any group or race is the same

(That is the definition of Racism) and is the kind of general abuse and threats too being posted about Immigration

too

as it is so Important to stop people like that whether through stupidity or not from allowing Blatant Racism and Fascism to rise again.

So accidental or not her stupid comments were maybe just stupid but were they ? because there is a lot of Racism in the South of the USA and she also showed anti-gay bigotry by saying she'd like to sleep with Austin cos she thought she could turn him

so there is a chance she is an all round bigot and whether an accident or not her comments still encourage others to think the same

so for that reason she had to be kicked from BB.

Also not standing against these things shows great disrespect to all the soldiers who died in the Second World War to protect us from Dictatorship under the Nazis.

[Ross.]

What she said though is illegal in this country and is one of the worst thing anyone could say

Well as I said before, if the producers done their research then she shouldn't have been casted in the first place and all of this could have been avoided? :shrug:

[lostalex]

What she said though is illegal in this country and is one of the worst thing anyone could say

They had Jimmy Saville on CBB and treated him like a superstar....

hmmm, what's worse, molesting dozens of children at psychiatric hospitals like Saville, or Tila saying a few offensive words...

Give me a break. The CBB producers are clearly in no position to judge.

[Daniel-X]

Tbf they didn't know about Saville at the time (I watched CBB4 again recently though and I felt physically sick when he came on the screen)

[Denver]

They had Jimmy Saville on CBB and treated him like a superstar....

hmmm, what's worse, molesting dozens of children at psychiatric hospitals like Saville, or Tila saying a few offensive words...

Give me a break. The CBB producers are clearly in no position to judge.

If you did yor bloody reasearch you will realise that the child abuse only came out after Jimmy died so stopp bringing irrel things up

[lostalex]

If you did yor bloody reasearch you will realise that the child abuse only came out after Jimmy died so stopp bringing irrel things up

that doesn't change the fact that they paid him a lot of money and treated him like gold on CBB. and it's come out that everyone in the business knew what he was all about. they chose to ignore it.

[y.winter]

"few offensive words"? "didn't know what she was doing"? "no position to judge"?
You literally live in a bubble, aren't you?
The girl deserves to be thrown out over and over again to understands the stupidity that comes out of her mouth and runs through her "allegedly" brain.
These statements are just terrible, you can't imagine how shocked and sad I am reading these ignorant suggestions.
I'm feeling really ashamed.

[Jamie89]

The question is how much do we let past events from OUTSIDE the BB house influence what happens to the HMs once they enter the house?

This is a gameshow. I thought we were meant to judge BB HMs on who they are 'on the gameshow' not pick over their past and judge them according to that. This isn't a court of law.

Most of all, BB should have done their homework BEFORE she went in to save all this upset and embarassment.

This is the age of social media and Channel 5 are a media company, so it's pretty poor show of them to go THIS far; letting her in and then 24hours later suddenly going 'oops, sorry we don't like what you said years ago, so out you go!'

I'm sure too that over 50% of those other HMs have either said or done something regrettable in the past that could be found offensive by someone, somewhere. Do we set a team of lawyers to rake over all their years of social media postings and as soon as we find dirt on them then - wham - kick them out?

If Tila had made illegal comments once inside the BB house then of course remove her.

If she was a proper nazi sympathiser and remained so even when challenged then of course do the same.

But clearly she regretted what she said, she was probably trying to be 'excitingly controversial' at the time but she made a very poor error of judgement and it backfired. A bit like Prince Harry's Nazi uniform at that fancy dress party.

She's not claiming to be a nazi sympathiser. She didn't say anything illegal. She made a distasteful, misguided comment which she clearly now regrets. And it happened years ago - long before she entered the house. How long can you go on punishing someone for that when they already accept how bad it was?

I think it's harsh and very poorly managed by BB. They should sort out all this type of thing out LONG before they let HMs enter, not let it get this far.

Poor show from BB.

So if a murderer or a peodophile went into the house and was really funny and entertaining that would be ok? Obviously I'm not saying Tila is as bad as that before anyone starts but I'm using it as an example to show that yes, when it comes to extreme behaviours and attitudes, it is right to judge someone on their actions before going into Big Brother.

Tila's comments were anti-semetic and nazi sympathizing and this HAS to be seen as an extreme. It's truly shocking to me that some people on this forum are making light of the incredibly dangerous and offensive things she's said, as if it's just some silly little thing that slipped out, or comparable with comments other controversial HM's have made in the past.

It's good that she has since retracted her comments, of course it is. And I hope she's happy and brings up her child well. But I still think that someone who has the capacity to say the things she said should never be celebrated in a public way like Big Brother. The fact that she made those comments will never go away, that's just the nature of media, and for young people and the impressionable to see someone who will always be associated with nazi-ism being celebrated and applauded is dangerous.

[Denver]

that doesn't change the fact that they paid him a lot of money and treated him like gold on CBB. and it's come out that everyone in the business knew what he was all about. they chose to ignore it.

Yes it does he was never accused of anything back then had he been convicted/arrested for it then you would have something to complain about but you dont so please stop bring irrell things up to try and make it sound like she done nothing wrong

[Liam-]

I'm torn about her ejection, on one side she would have been an amazing housemate, so it could be seen as a big loss and I don't really agree with people being ejected because of things that happened outside of the house, but on the other side, I think it was the right thing to do because C5 can't be seen to be condoning what she said and her views - which I'll acknowledge apparently came at a time where she wasn't her best, mentally - but since she's been better, she hasn't taken back or recanted her words so it's easy to assume she still feels that way, she would have been amazing car crash TV, but I see why they did it and I accept that.

[Denver]

I'm torn about her ejection, on one side she would have been an amazing housemate, so it could be seen as a big loss and I don't really agree with people being ejected because of things that happened outside of the house, but on the other side, I think it was the right thing to do because C5 can't be seen to be condoning what she said and her views - which I'll acknowledge apparently came at a time where she wasn't her best, mentally - but since she's been better, she hasn't taken back or recanted her words so it's easy to assume she still feels that way, she would have been amazing car crash TV, but I see why they did it and I accept that.

This is the way i see it but been accused of making her out to be satan because i refused to condone her behaviour

[Liam-]

Oh, just read the statement, she now has taken back her words, but it's a tad bit late now isn't it :joker:

[lostalex]

Yes it does he was never accused of anything back then had he been convicted/arrested for it then you would have something to complain about but you dont so please stop bring irrell things up to try and make it sound like she done nothing wrong

it's already been shown that everyone in the business knew what was going on and they just turned the other way.

and she didn't do anything wrong. she SAID something wrong. please tell me something that she DID wrong. how did she hurt another human being?

[bots]

it's already been shown that everyone in the business knew what was going on and they just turned the other way.

and she didn't do anything wrong. she SAID something wrong. please tell me something that she DID wrong. how did she hurt another human being?

you are just trolling ... its already been explained that inciting racial hatred is a crime in the uk

[Ross.]

I'm torn about her ejection, on one side she would have been an amazing housemate, so it could be seen as a big loss and I don't really agree with people being ejected because of things that happened outside of the house, but on the other side, I think it was the right thing to do because C5 can't be seen to be condoning what she said and her views - which I'll acknowledge apparently came at a time where she wasn't her best, mentally - but since she's been better, she hasn't taken back or recanted her words so it's easy to assume she still feels that way, she would have been amazing car crash TV, but I see why they did it and I accept that.

Yeah I'm torn too. :laugh:

I don't know really, I can see both sides of the argument. But for me one of the faults lies with the producers for not doing their research (it's literally a page on her Wiki) and then not casting her as a result of it. Instead, they've showed yet again how amateur they are at producing the show.

[Robodog]

you are just trolling ... its already been explained that inciting racial hatred is a crime in the uk

If she actually 'incited racial hatred' then she'd be arrested.

[Liam-]

Yeah I'm torn too. :laugh:

I don't know really, I can see both sides of the argument. But for me one of the faults lies with the producers for not doing their research (it's literally a page on her Wiki) and then not casting her as a result of it. Instead, they've showed yet again how amateur they are at producing the show.

Oh yeah definitely, the casting people completely missed the ball on this one, they obviously would have had to do some research on Tila because let's face it, she's hardly a big name to people who aren't interested in that type of TV, so they would have seen all about her history, but I don't think they expected the backlash they received over her, which in itself, is stupid :joker:

Entertainment wise, it was a good casting choice, but morally? not so much.

[Josy]

The girl claimed she was 'Adolf Hitler Reborn' I don't give two ****s whether she was off her head or out her nut or whatever at the time it's not an excuse for the offensive tripe she was posting all over the internet, she is or was anti-semitic and blaming that on a mental illness is bull. Now if she's been asked about her beliefs and still stood by them then she deserved the boot of course she's going to deny that now she's been removed though hence the apology that she or her management posted, even her most recent posts on social media are questionable imho bringing up 9/11 and joking about her child looking like terrorists, it said in the updates yesterday that housemates where questioning her about her beliefs and the person posting couldn't look away so we may see it all play out tonight.

The producers are in the main responsible for checking out housemates background etc and they have failed here miserably.

Shes had a lot of controversy surrounding her and some automatically seem to think that it makes for a fantastic housemate, but where does it stop?

[Liam-]

Yeah tonight it might come out that she stood by her comments when Scoop asked her about them, we don't know... I hope not :worry:

[Ross.]

Yeah tonight it might come out that she stood by her comments when Scoop asked her about them, we don't know... I hope not :worry:

If that happens then yes I will absolutely agree with her ejection, no question. :laugh:

[Tom4784]

As I said in the other topic, it was fairly obvious that she was in a bad place at the time and judging from the videos of self harm and such that came out it's obvious that she wasn't in her right mind. What she said was dumb but she's apologised for it now and she removed it shortly after posting it which showed that she was remorseful for what she said. To use it as a stick to beat her with is pointless and malevolent.

BB pulled a dick move (and potentially dangerous to her mental state) by putting her in when they knew they would eject her. That being said, if she stuck to her beliefs when she was in the house then boot the bitch.

[Robodog]

So if a murderer or a peodophile went into the house and was really funny and entertaining that would be ok? Obviously I'm not saying Tila is as bad as that before anyone starts but I'm using it as an example to show that yes, when it comes to extreme behaviours and attitudes, it is right to judge someone on their actions before going into Big Brother.

Tila's comments were anti-semetic and nazi sympathizing and this HAS to be seen as an extreme. It's truly shocking to me that some people on this forum are making light of the incredibly dangerous and offensive things she's said, as if it's just some silly little thing that slipped out, or comparable with comments other controversial HM's have made in the past.

It's good that she has since retracted her comments, of course it is. And I hope she's happy and brings up her child well. But I still think that someone who has the capacity to say the things she said should never be celebrated in a public way like Big Brother. The fact that she made those comments will never go away, that's just the nature of media, and for young people and the impressionable to see someone who will always be associated with nazi-ism being celebrated and applauded is dangerous.

I 100% agree with you that it is not ok to let murderers/paedophiles etc into the house, ignoring their offensive crimes in the name of entertainment.

I don't however think that Tila broke the law. Nor do i think she is an actual nazi sympathiser. Clearly, she just made an appalling error of judgment in her past attempts to be 'controversial', (just like prince harry's nazi fancy dress costume) and it's something she now regrets. It wasn't illegal what she said or did, AND she regrets it, but how long do we go on punishing someone for errors in these circumstances, years after the event?

BB should have sorted this out LONG before letting her enter.

For the record, i 100% do not condone her comments/actions.

[Denver]

As I said in the other topic, it was fairly obvious that she was in a bad place at the time and judging from the videos of self harm and such that came out it's obvious that she wasn't in her right mind. What she said was dumb but she's apologised for it now and she removed it shortly after posting it which showed that she was remorseful for what she said. To use it as a stick to beat her with is pointless and malevolent.

BB pulled a dick move (and potentially dangerous to her mental state) by putting her in when they knew they would eject her. That being said, if she stuck to her beliefs when she was in the house then boot the bitch.

They did not know they would eject her

[Tom4784]

They did not know they would eject her

Bull****.

They knew putting her in would cause controversy and they were banking on it for promotion. They stuck her in knowing full well about her past and her mental issues and they used her for the press attention before booting her out again.

Tila should never have gone in, the production staff the decided to cast her for some controversy should be sacked for their actions.

[Robodog]

As I said in the other topic, it was fairly obvious that she was in a bad place at the time and judging from the videos of self harm and such that came out it's obvious that she wasn't in her right mind. What she said was dumb but she's apologised for it now and she removed it shortly after posting it which showed that she was remorseful for what she said. To use it as a stick to beat her with is pointless and malevolent.

BB pulled a dick move (and potentially dangerous to her mental state) by putting her in when they knew they would eject her. That being said, if she stuck to her beliefs when she was in the house then boot the bitch.

:clap1: very well put

[Denver]

Bull****.

They knew putting her in would cause controversy and they were banking on it for promotion. They stuck her in knowing full well about her past and her mental issues and they used her for the press attention before booting her out again.

Tila should never have gone in, the production staff the decided to cast her for some controversy should be sacked for their actions.

It has been said a conversation about it was brought up in the house why is everyone side stepping that and blaming the producers? They didnt force her views on her

[Headie]

This really could've changed her life for the better, it's so sad that these pathetic producers have ruined her second chance.

[Pete.]

It has been said a conversation about it was brought up in the house why is everyone side stepping that and blaming the producers? They didnt force her views on her
They forced her out though!

[Tom4784]

It has been said a conversation about it was brought up in the house why is everyone side stepping that and blaming the producers? They didnt force her views on her

She shouldn't have been a HM in the first place, the producers knew what they were doing when they included her as a HM. You think they don't research the HMs before letting them into the house? They knew her past and they were banking on a controversy to boost ratings. It's just a more extreme version of what the X Factor does every year, cooking up it's own controversy to fuel ratings.

[cfromhx02]

It doesn't matter if her views were through stupidity or mental illness (most mentally ill people still have a natural in built reaction to realizing support for Hitler or any general abusive views

of everyone in a group or race is wrong and would automatically never be able to do it.

Remember Tila is from the South of the USA.There is a lot of Racism there and she also showed she thinks she can turn Austin if she slept with him so that shows bigotry to gay people too.

So whatever the reasons for someone making such comments about Hitler or support for any general abuse against everyone in a group or race which is explained in the dictionary as what Racism is,

anyone showing these ideas or support for them encourages others to think the same and that's why she had to be booted off.

particularly needs standing up to at the moment

because of all the idiots online who are making general abusive comments and death threats too against all members of a group and against everyone in a race as they are making about Immigration,

that is the beginning of the rise in Real Racism and Fascism again.

And it also shows disrespect to those who in their millions died to protect us in the Second World War from the spreading of such views.

[bots]

Bull****.

They knew putting her in would cause controversy and they were banking on it for promotion. They stuck her in knowing full well about her past and her mental issues and they used her for the press attention before booting her out again.

Tila should never have gone in, the production staff the decided to cast her for some controversy should be sacked for their actions.

I am certain they knew about her past, how wouldn't they know. However, we don't know the circumstances around her acceptance. Perhaps her management assured the producers it was a temporary blip, but events in the house proved otherwise. Who knows. My own opinion is that sponsors threatened to pull the plug on cash, so the bosses then took action. Endemol are responsible for the casting, not the channel bosses, and its unlikely that Viacom looked at every contestant in detail before the show started. There is controversy on the one hand and there is outrage and loss of income on the other. Its no contest when it comes to cash.

[Denver]

They forced her out though!

If she has been a Hitler sympathising in the house how did they force her out? If she said it the police or who ever deals with it need to be involved as its illegal in this country

[Pete.]

If she has been a Hitler sympathising in the house how did they force her out? If she said it the police or who ever deals with it need to be involved as its illegal in this country
They forced her out over comments she made in 2013, I'm still staggered by this.

[Denver]

They forced her out over comments she made in 2013, I'm still staggered by this.

She made similar comments in the house according to some sources what she has done is a criminal offence why cant you see that?

[Pete.]

She made similar comments in the house according to some sources what she has done is a criminal offence why cant you see that?
But she was removed over stuff in the outside, so it was nothing to do with what she said in the house.

[Tom4784]

I am certain they knew about her past, how wouldn't they know. However, we don't know the circumstances around her acceptance. Perhaps her management assured the producers it was a temporary blip, but events in the house proved otherwise. Who knows. My own opinion is that sponsors threatened to pull the plug on cash, so the bosses then took action. Endemol are responsible for the casting, not the channel bosses, and its unlikely that Viacom looked at every contestant in detail before the show started. There is controversy on the one hand and there is outrage and loss of income on the other. Its no contest when it comes to cash.

That's naive.

They put Tila in for controversy and to stir up interest in CBB. The producers are not dumb, they would have known exactly how people would react to her past and they were banking on it.

[bots]

That's naive.

They put Tila in for controversy and to stir up interest in CBB. The producers are not dumb, they would have known exactly how people would react to her past and they were banking on it.

one thing i am not is naive :laugh:

Endemol are a production company that Viacom outsource the show production to. Viacom advertisers complain, Tila gets booted. Its pretty simple really.

[JoshBB]

They shouldn't have casted her if they were going to just evict her early on, so unfair.

It's either put her in and let her be, or don't cast in the first place.

[Stevep]

Out of interest, Jenna pulled Tila aside the other day and spoke of a old feud they once had where Tila said something about Jenna, anyone know what was said back then?

[Ashley.]

I don't want Tila back in the house just for the entertainment. To be honest, I don't think she was that entertaining, she was just a little ball of fun and her scenes made me smile last night. She looked like she was on the right path especially with all that she's been through like depression and stuff.

I'd hate it if someone brought up something I said two years ago and used it against me. Two years is a long time for people to change and she was just trying to move on.

[bananarama]

The Political correctness brigade have killed free speech in this country. Killed free expression.

It doesn't matter how bad a personal opinion may be in a genuine free speech democracy people should be allowed to express without being victimised from those who dedicate themselves to being offended in order to shut down other peoples expressions.

SUCH PEOPLE ARE TRAITORS TO FREEDOM.

We also have a terrible habit of adding the word (phobia) to people with different views and beliefs. This too is an attack on freedom of expression.

Shutting down people who have different perspectives. Like said it does not matter how awful a belief or attitude may be in a free society all citizens should be allowed to express without being bullied by the political correctness traitors of freedom

[Ashley.]

The Political correctness brigade have killed free speech in this country. Killed free expression.

It doesn't matter how bad a personal opinion may be in a genuine free speech democracy people should be allowed to express without being victimised from those who dedicate themselves to being offended in order to shut down other peoples expressions.

SUCH PEOPLE ARE TRAITORS TO FREEDOM.

We also have a terrible habit of adding the word (phobia) to people with different views and beliefs. This too is an attack on freedom of expression.

Shutting down people who have different perspectives. Like said it does not matter how awful a belief or attitude may be in a free society all citizens should be allowed to express without being bullied by the political correctness traitors of freedom

It's the way Channel 5 said "Tila expressed opinions that are deemed unacceptable"

I know what she said was bad, but since when did "unacceptable opinions" exist? It made me so angry.

[reece(:]

The Political correctness brigade have killed free speech in this country. Killed free expression.

It doesn't matter how bad a personal opinion may be in a genuine free speech democracy people should be allowed to express without being victimised from those who dedicate themselves to being offended in order to shut down other peoples expressions.

SUCH PEOPLE ARE TRAITORS TO FREEDOM.

We also have a terrible habit of adding the word (phobia) to people with different views and beliefs. This too is an attack on freedom of expression.

Shutting down people who have different perspectives. Like said it does not matter how awful a belief or attitude may be in a free society all citizens should be allowed to express without being bullied by the political correctness traitors of freedom
:clap1:

[Liam-]

It's the way Channel 5 said "Tila expressed opinions that are deemed unacceptable"

I know what she said was bad, but since when did "unacceptable opinions" exist? It made me so angry.

Some opinions are unacceptable though

[LukeB]

It's the way Channel 5 said "Tila expressed opinions that are deemed unacceptable"

I know what she said was bad, but since when did "unacceptable opinions" exist? It made me so angry.

Yeah everyone is entitled to an opinion tbh bad or good still allowed to have one.

[Ashley.]

Some opinions are unacceptable though

There's no such thing as a wrong opinion. Big Brother is a place where people can change society's beliefs on certain people, but the irony in Tila's ejection is that they removed her because she said something that society didn't like.

[Liam-]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion yes, but that doesn't mean that every opinion is right or should be deemed as 'acceptable' there are some people out there that think it's right to kill people, is that an acceptable opinion? no, not every opinion in the world is acceptable.

[Robodog]

The Political correctness brigade have killed free speech in this country. Killed free expression.

It doesn't matter how bad a personal opinion may be in a genuine free speech democracy people should be allowed to express without being victimised from those who dedicate themselves to being offended in order to shut down other peoples expressions.

SUCH PEOPLE ARE TRAITORS TO FREEDOM.

We also have a terrible habit of adding the word (phobia) to people with different views and beliefs. This too is an attack on freedom of expression.

Shutting down people who have different perspectives. Like said it does not matter how awful a belief or attitude may be in a free society all citizens should be allowed to express without being bullied by the political correctness traitors of freedom

Well said.

A free society can be summed up by this quote:

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire

[Slevin]

over sensitive BBUK. not surprised at this bs.

[Tom4784]

Some opinions are unacceptable though

No opinions are unacceptable under Freedom of Speech though. It's an all or nothing kind of deal. You can't dip your toes into it and get out whenever you get offended. Restricted freedom of speech isn't freedom of speech at all.

[Tom4784]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion yes, but that doesn't mean that every opinion is right or should be deemed as 'acceptable' there are some people out there that think it's right to kill people, is that an acceptable opinion? no, not every opinion in the world is acceptable.

They can think what they want, words do not equal actions.

[bots]

No opinions are unacceptable under Freedom of Speech though. It's an all or nothing kind of deal. You can't dip your toes into it and get out whenever you get offended. Restricted freedom of speech isn't freedom of speech at all.

They most certainly are unacceptable if they are vocalised and associated with racial hate in this country. Try saying something unacceptable in a public place and see what happens if you don't believe me.

[Liam-]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion absolutely, but there are some opinions that shouldn't be aired or made public I'm sorry but they just shouldn't, if you want to think things that aren't right, think them, don't make them public knowledge, if someone came out and said 'oh I think sleeping with children is perfectly fine' that would be seen as unacceptable, an opinion, but an unacceptable one.

[Ashley.]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion absolutely, but there are some opinions that shouldn't be aired or made public I'm sorry but they just shouldn't, if you want to think things that aren't right, think them, don't make them public knowledge, if someone came out and said 'oh I think sleeping with children is perfectly fine' that would be seen as unacceptable, an opinion, but an unacceptable one.

I don't think that's unacceptable. I mean, I don't agree with it, but whatever, it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone was to say that.

[Liam-]

I don't think that's unacceptable. I mean, I don't agree with it, but whatever, it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone was to say that.

You wouldn't think someone saying that would be unacceptable? :umm2:

[Tom4784]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion absolutely, but there are some opinions that shouldn't be aired or made public I'm sorry but they just shouldn't, if you want to think things that aren't right, think them, don't make them public knowledge, if someone came out and said 'oh I think sleeping with children is perfectly fine' that would be seen as unacceptable, an opinion, but an unacceptable one.

Making extreme examples doesn't make your points any more impactful. I'm gonna mangle it but there's a famous quote about Freedom of speech 'Freedom of Speech is the right to tell someone what they don't want to hear.' Sure it may offend you, it may be wrong but it's their opinion and they have a right to it and broadcast it if they choose.

The problem is you want to have your cake and eat it. You're all for Freedom of Speech unless it's offensive which means you're actually against Freedom of Speech because the notion of it offends you.

[Tom4784]

They most certainly are unacceptable if they are vocalised and associated with racial hate in this country. Try saying something unacceptable in a public place and see what happens if you don't believe me.

There's a difference between inciting hatred and having hateful views. someone could come out and say that they are a racist and nothing would happen to them in the eyes of the law for saying, they'd rightfully face judgement from the public for it but nobody could do anything about it unless they took it a step farther and incited hatred or comitted a racially motivated crime.

[Robodog]

Making extreme examples doesn't make your points any more impactful. I'm gonna mangle it but there's a famous quote about Freedom of speech 'Freedom of Speech is the right to tell someone what they don't want to hear.' Sure it may offend you, it may be wrong but it's their opinion and they have a right to it and broadcast it if they choose.

The problem is you want to have your cake and eat it. You're all for Freedom of Speech unless it's offensive which means you're actually against Freedom of Speech because the notion of it offends you.



So true, so logical. So many people need that reminder of what freedom of speech actually means - warts and all. Otherwise (ironically) you end up with a society like Nazi Germany where freedom of expression was shut down.

[Ashley.]

You wouldn't think someone saying that would be unacceptable? :umm2:

I don't really care too much for other people's opinions tbh. I'll listen to them and I'll choose whether I agree or disagree with them, then I'll leave them to it, because at the end of the day you're never going to meet someone with the exact same opinions as you.

[Liam-]

Making extreme examples doesn't make your points any more impactful. I'm gonna mangle it but there's a famous quote about Freedom of speech 'Freedom of Speech is the right to tell someone what they don't want to hear.' Sure it may offend you, it may be wrong but it's their opinion and they have a right to it and broadcast it if they choose.

The problem is you want to have your cake and eat it. You're all for Freedom of Speech unless it's offensive which means you're actually against Freedom of Speech because the notion of it offends you.

I'd appreciate you not telling me what I stand for tyvm, I've never really been a fan of censorship, unless it is used to protect people from having to see extreme opinions like the ones I've been mentioning, imo there is no place in society for those types opinions, or people who hold them, I'm all for free speech, but when it comes to the point of someone abusing that right to be offensive or controversial, that's where I draw the line, there is no room for people who sympathise with Hitler or any other extreme beliefs like that, like I said, if you want to have an opinion that goes against normal social conventions, feel free, knock yourself out, but don't shove them down people's throats, all it does is cause trouble and bad feelings.

[bots]

There's a difference between inciting hatred and having hateful views. someone could come out and say that they are a racist and nothing would happen to them in the eyes of the law for saying, they'd rightfully face judgement from the public for it but nobody could do anything about it unless they took it a step farther and incited hatred or comitted a racially motivated crime.

That is correct, and some of the statements that Tila made on FB would have landed her in hot water had she said them here.

[Tom4784]

I'd appreciate you not telling me what I stand for tyvm, I've never really been a fan of censorship, unless it is used to protect people from having to see extreme opinions like the ones I've been mentioning, imo there is no place in society for those types opinions, or people who hold them, I'm all for free speech, but when it comes to the point of someone abusing that right to be offensive or controversial, that's where I draw the line, there is no room for people who sympathise with Hitler or any other extreme beliefs like that, like I said, if you want to have an opinion that goes against normal social conventions, feel free, knock yourself out, but don't shove them down people's throats, all it does is cause trouble and bad feelings.

Then you are for censorship and against Free Speech, this is a black and white issue. You're either for it or against it. There is no grey area. It's all or nothing.

[Liam-]

Then you are for censorship and against Free Speech, this is a black and white issue. You're either for it or against it. There is no grey area. It's all or nothing.

Occasional censorship is not a bad thing considering some of the views out there.

[Tom4784]

Occasional censorship is not a bad thing considering some of the views out there.

Okay, then you're against Freedom of Speech. End of discussion.

[Kazanne]

You're right, it's not comparable. 6 million people died in the Holocaust, it's way way more than the london attacks.
I'm sorry You're hurt by this sentence, but it was just to show how you all know nothing about what happened on WW2 and are just up for entertainment in a TV show.
My grandfather had to runaway and make a heartbreaking desicion to leave is 7 siblings and mother and father and friends and relatives to survive.
He lived in the woods, hide in dark basements, begged for food and looked for kindness - all while knowing his familly is butchered one by one by Hitler and his supporters.
You talk about Tila going through a tough time in 2013 justyfing this? Let's talk about my grandather's hard time and how he dealt with it.

I'm absolutely fuming at people craving for a housemate in big brother just to satisfy their momentary enjoyment.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Liam-]

Okay, then you're against Freedom of Speech. End of discussion.

Of course, because you're always right I forgot about that :joker:

Don't tell me what I believe in and what I don't, life isn't black and white.

[Kazanne]

Some people really need to hush their mouths and put their brain into gear before they start spouting out rubbish,Tila seems to be one of those,her removal was the right thing to do.

[Tom4784]

Of course, because you're always right I forgot about that :joker:

Don't tell me what I believe in and what I don't, life isn't black and white.

Well this is a black and white issue. You either believe in Freedom of Speech or you don't. You can't sit on the fence with this issue.

[Ashley.]

Some people really need to hush their mouths and put their brain into gear before they start spouting out rubbish,Tila seems to be one of those,her removal was the right thing to do.

If she was all over the place at the time then I don't blame her. She obviously wanted attention so she could feel sure about herself, but went to extreme lengths to get it which was IMO wrong, but what matters now though is that she is genuinely sorry for her actions and would like to move on from it. I'm hoping that Big Brother would respect that by not airing her ejection scenes, and I hope everyone else respects that too.

[Robodog]

What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.
Salman Rushdie

[Kazanne]

Blimey all this talk about freedom of speech by the very people that hate Helen Wood and Katie Hopkins,but it's ok for Tila as she is seen as cute and a 'great' housemate,:laugh:

[smudgie]

Her freedom of speech allowed her to say what she thought.
Those that she offended used their freedom of speech to show their feelings.
BB had to decide who they thought was right in the situation and took action they deemed correct.
So, we all have freedom of speech, just some of us don't realise you are responsible for what you say and must be prepared to take the consequences.
Inciting hate and shouting "fire" in a theatre are a couple of things that spring to mind.
If we were walking down the street and used our freedom of speech to tell the neighbour what a twit he is then we could expect a thump.:shrug:

[Tom4784]

Blimey all this talk about freedom of speech by the very people that hate Helen Wood and Katie Hopkins,but it's ok for Tila as she is seen as cute and a 'great' housemate,:laugh:

Again, you've missed the point. Try paying attention.

I hated Helen and I dislike Katie Hopkins but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to their opinions. Seriously Kazanne, you must not understand the topic at all if you think saying 'I hate Helen Wood' is hypocritical in this context.

[Ashley.]

Blimey all this talk about freedom of speech by the very people that hate Helen Wood and Katie Hopkins,but it's ok for Tila as she is seen as cute and a 'great' housemate,:laugh:

I didn't hate either of them but if they said something that I didn't agree with, I wouldn't be angry about it at all.

[Robodog]

One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting.
Salman Rushdie

True say, Salman. It's not easy or pleasant at times but what's the alternative?

Our friends and families suffered WW2 in order for us to keep free speech alive today; that includes the freedom to offend, however unpleasant or wrong those views may be.

[Ashley.]

One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting.
Salman Rushdie

True say, Salman. It's not easy or pleasant at times but what's the alternative?

Our friends and families suffered WW2 in order for us to keep free speech alive today; that includes the freedom to offend, however unpleasant or wrong those views may be.

Quite right. My job is to defend murderers and sex offenders and give reasons why they shouldn't go to prison. Do I think they should go to prison? Heck yeah. But it's my job to save them from that. I guess it's made me more tolerable to opinions that I might not like.

Welcome to the World.

[Tom4784]

One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting.
Salman Rushdie

True say, Salman. It's not easy or pleasant at times but what's the alternative?

Our friends and families suffered WW2 in order for us to keep free speech alive today; that includes the freedom to offend, however unpleasant or wrong those views may be.

Very true, I find people that deny their rights because it makes them feel uncomfortable more unpleasant than a mentally unstable girl saying something stupid.

People have died so we can have Freedom of Speech and the other freedoms we have, to deny it is to piss on their bones. It's truly misguided and people who deny their rights don't have the excuse of being mentally unstable either.

[Ashley.]

In conclusion: Life is too short to keep your mouth shut.

[Robodog]

Very true, I find people that deny their rights because it makes them feel uncomfortable more unpleasant than a mentally unstable girl saying something stupid.

People have died so we can have Freedom of Speech and the other freedoms we have, to deny it is to piss on their bones. It's truly misguided and people who deny their rights don't have the excuse of being mentally unstable either.

Absolutely. So many good points there. People really need to stop and think, and remember the sacrifices made in the past to get us where we are today.

People who don't want a free speech society should try moving to a country/regime without one and see how they like it there.

[Kazanne]

Again, you've missed the point. Try paying attention.

I hated Helen and I dislike Katie Hopkins but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to their opinions. Seriously Kazanne, you must not understand the topic at all if you think saying 'I hate Helen Wood' is hypocritical in this context.

No need to get personal again!!,I am paying attention,and I never mentioned you,the fact is people on here hated Helen and Katie for saying things they didn't like,but they are happy to defend what Tila said and imo that IS hypocritical.

[Tom4784]

No need to get personal again!!,I am paying attention,and I never mentioned you,the fact is people on here hated Helen and Katie for saying things they didn't like,but they are happy to defend what Tila said and imo that IS hypocritical.

Not getting personal, stop being defensive and accusing me of crap because you've realised you're in the wrong but you're in too deep to go back.

Again your point is completely wrong. You simply do not understand what we are talking about. Me hating Helen has nothing to do with defending Tila's rights to her stupid comments. I never denied Helen her right to her hateful bile, I just commented on it showing my own disapproval of it. I didn't like their opinions but that doesn't mean I'd deny the Freedom of Speech just to shut them up.

[reece(:]

Agree with all your points Dezzy :clap1::clap1:

[y.winter]

So true, so logical. So many people need that reminder of what freedom of speech actually means - warts and all. Otherwise (ironically) you end up with a society like Nazi Germany where freedom of expression was shut down.

Actually, Hitler and the Nazi party were elected by democracy and the freedom of speech.
Actions are triggered by words and ideas. That's how it all happened.
I don't see anything PC in defending the memory of the holocaust victims (which are, again, not only jews but blacks and gays and the list goes on, you brits were just not the first up that list).

Tila has tried several times to reason and promote the murderers (and the overall Nazi ideas) of my family and many more innocent people.
But enjoy your freedom of speech, I hope none of you nor your family members will have to go through such an horrible thing.

[RichardG]

Why does everything always have to go back to Helen Wood? It's like the 'Godwin's Law' of TIBB, if a conversation goes on long enough then eventually her name will almost always appear. :laugh:

We all have free speech but I think BB should be careful about who they put in the house, we don't really need those with views like Tila to gain a bigger platform to potentially spread her 'hate'. However, in this instance, it's entirely the casting team's fault for sticking her in there knowing full well of her history, so to then remove her for something that they knew about before they put her in seems a bit silly/once she was in they might as well have kept her there and if they really wanted then they could just fix the nominations to ensure she's up or whatever like they do all the time anyway

[paperprincess]

It seems a bit convenient that the producers were unaware of Tila's past indiscretions. Not everyone in the USA knows who she is, but I would guess that most of the people who do know her are aware of her crazy rantings. Aside from photoshopping herself as a Holocaust hottie she indulged in alien tales of terror and everyone's favorite 911 conspiracy theories, other things as well. A controversial eviction on the 2nd day never hurts the ratings.

I am not sure that I agree with or believe the stated reasons for booting her, but I think it's probably best that she isn't there anymore. She has a history of psychological instability and reality shows don't seem to help these issues, and while I believe in freedom of speech, I don't believe everyone is required to give bigots a platform. They have the right to say what they want and I have the to not hear them do it.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Hmmm yyyyeeer most people go through depression without being racist.

[Jack_]

This whole thing is a disgusting, pathetic, shambolic joke.

Here's what all of this boils down to. Firstly, assuming they casting directors had no idea of the controversial statements Tila has made in the past, that is quite frankly a woeful lack of research that has gone into the preparation for this series. Stop being so ****ing incompetent.

On the opposite end of the scale, if they were aware of her history regarding these issues, and yet still chose to cast her only to eject her before 24 hours had passed - potentially as a publicity stunt - this is perhaps the lowest this pack of useless ***** whom call themselves a production team have ever sunk. Let's put this into perspective here - there's a good chance that of the viewers whom had no idea who Tila was, and that's probably a majority of the audience, most of them definitely had no idea about all of this controversy in her past. So to deliberately (or even unintentionally, to be honest) cast this woman onto a television show which is going to raise her profile knowing full well of her history of depression and mental illness, only to then put all the attention on her a day later by chucking her out for comments she made two years ago when she was going through said mental illnesses, is absolutely ****ing abhorrent.

This is effectively letting somebody move on from their past, casting them on your show to show a better side of themselves, and then stopping that in its tracks to say 'hey guys, remember when she said all these things a couple of years ago? remember that! you know, when she was going through a rough patch in her life that she's now apparently overcome! here's what she said everyone!' so that she can be abused, vilified and hated all over again. This is a new low and if it's all for publicity at the expense of someone's mental health then this is grounds for an axe alone to be quite honest. This is not the way to treat another human being for the purposes of press attention, ratings or morality.

She either shouldn't have been cast in the first place if they had done their ****ing research properly, or she should have been left to enjoy her time in a programme she had been paid (and isn't anymore) to do.

Now if she had expressed opinions of this ilk inside the house then that's a different matter, however I don't think it's grounds for an immediate ejection. Most housemates receive formal warnings for making controversial and potentially offensive remarks inside the house several times before they are rightfully ejected, and if this is what led to her removal then this is what should have happened first as far as I am concerned.

And really all of this can be disregarded anyway because the bottom line of it is, if she never said anything inside the house, comments made outside of the constraints of Big Brother should not be reason to remove someone from the show. We, and the producers, are supposed to judge the actions of the housemates inside the house. That is the point of the show. If you are going to eject people for things they have done and said before the show began, especially when it's as long as two years ago, then not only have you not done your research properly you incompetent, laughably useless ****ing twats, but this show shouldn't exist.

This show is a mess. A disgusting in all senses of the word, ****ing mess

[Jason.]

I think it's confirmed. Liam's a communist :o

[reece(:]

Ronnie on BBUS praised Hitler for being a good speaker to the people and was admirable, he didn't even get a warning for that. PC gone mad again really.

[Heaven = Winner]

Give Tila another chance tbh <3

[Ashley.]

Give Tila another chance tbh <3

Update your sig pronto

[Jason.]

This whole thing is a disgusting, pathetic, shambolic joke.

Here's what all of this boils down to. Firstly, assuming they casting directors had no idea of the controversial statements Tila has made in the past, that is quite frankly a woeful lack of research that has gone into the preparation for this series. Stop being so ****ing incompetent.

On the opposite end of the scale, if they were aware of her history regarding these issues, and yet still chose to cast her only to eject her before 24 hours had passed - potentially as a publicity stunt - this is perhaps the lowest this pack of useless ***** whom call themselves a production team have ever sunk. Let's put this into perspective here - there's a good chance that of the viewers whom had no idea who Tila was, and that's probably a majority of the audience, most of them definitely had no idea about all of this controversy in her past. So to deliberately (or even unintentionally, to be honest) cast this woman onto a television show which is going to raise her profile knowing full well of her history of depression and mental illness, only to then put all the attention on her a day later by chucking her out for comments she made two years ago when she was going through said mental illnesses, is absolutely ****ing abhorrent.

This is effectively letting somebody move on from their past, casting them on your show to show a better side of themselves, and then stopping that in its tracks to say 'hey guys, remember when she said all these things a couple of years ago? remember that! you know, when she was going through a rough patch in her life that she's now apparently overcome! here's what she said everyone!' so that she can be abused, vilified and hated all over again. This is a new low and if it's all for publicity at the expense of someone's mental health then this is grounds for an axe alone to be quite honest. This is not the way to treat another human being for the purposes of press attention, ratings or morality.

She either shouldn't have been cast in the first place if they had done their ****ing research properly, or she should have been left to enjoy her time in a programme she had been paid (and isn't anymore) to do.

Now if she had expressed opinions of this ilk inside the house then that's a different matter, however I don't think it's grounds for an immediate ejection. Most housemates receive formal warnings for making controversial and potentially offensive remarks inside the house several times before they are rightfully ejected, and if this is what led to her removal then this is what should have happened first as far as I am concerned.

And really all of this can be disregarded anyway because the bottom line of it is, if she never said anything inside the house, comments made outside of the constraints of Big Brother should not be reason to remove someone from the show. We, and the producers, are supposed to judge the actions of the housemates inside the house. That is the point of the show. If you are going to eject people for things they have done and said before the show began, especially when it's as long as two years ago, then not only have you not done your research properly you incompetent, laughably useless ****ing twats, but this show shouldn't exist.

This show is a mess. A disgusting in all senses of the word, ****ing mess

I haven't read this post (more of a speech) cause I'm a lazy bastard, but I know I'll agree with it so this ^^^^^

[JoshBB]

Ronnie on BBUS praised Hitler for being a good speaker to the people and was admirable, he didn't even get a warning for that. PC gone mad again really.

Not wanting people with Nazi views in public spotlight with no apprehension is not PC gone mad.

[reece(:]

Not wanting people with Nazi views in public spotlight with no apprehension is not PC gone mad.
(Not sure you've read the OP...)

[Strictly Jake]

I'm sure someone may have already said this but I haven't looked past first page. But I don't understand why she got removed when Katie Hopkins was made out to be amazing for her offensive views. Tila was wrong to have the opinion she did but wasn't in a good place at the time and could have made an amazing housemate the person she is now

[Jarvio]

I'm sure someone may have already said this but I haven't looked past first page. But I don't understand why she got removed when Katie Hopkins was made out to be amazing for her offensive views. Tila was wrong to have the opinion she did but wasn't in a good place at the time and could have made an amazing housemate the person she is now

Maybe Hitler "wasn't in a good place" when he killed those millions of people

[Ashley.]

Maybe Hitler "wasn't in a good place" when he killed those millions of people

I assume Tila killing millions of people was wiped from history or something :unsure:

[Jarvio]

I assume Tila killing millions of people was wiped from history or something :unsure:

Well yeah, she didn't kill anyone, but she supported someone who did.

People are trying to justify her opinions just because they like her, or think she'd be a good HM.

[y.winter]

Well yeah, she didn't kill anyone, but she supported someone who did.

People are trying to justify her opinions just because they like her, or think she'd be a good HM.

Keep that truth coming :clap1:
People are blinded by the potential housemates quality. Some should open a history book and learn which qualities should be praised and which not.

[Pete.]

Ronnie on BBUS praised Hitler for being a good speaker to the people and was admirable, he didn't even get a warning for that. PC gone mad again really.
Kevin's reaction to this was iconic

[Robodog]

Actually, Hitler and the Nazi party were elected by democracy and the freedom of speech.
Actions are triggered by words and ideas. That's how it all happened.
I don't see anything PC in defending the memory of the holocaust victims (which are, again, not only jews but blacks and gays and the list goes on, you brits were just not the first up that list).

Tila has tried several times to reason and promote the murderers (and the overall Nazi ideas) of my family and many more innocent people.
But enjoy your freedom of speech, I hope none of you nor your family members will have to go through such an horrible thing.

"Enjoy your freedom of speech??"

Yes!! I will do!!

Millions died and suffered (including my family, seeing as you mentioned it) precisely so we COULD all enjoy our freedom of speech!!

I'm not going to take that for granted or complain about it every time i hear the opinion of someone i disagree with! That would be an insult to their memory.

Tsk!

[Robodog]

This whole thing is a disgusting, pathetic, shambolic joke.

Here's what all of this boils down to. Firstly, assuming they casting directors had no idea of the controversial statements Tila has made in the past, that is quite frankly a woeful lack of research that has gone into the preparation for this series. Stop being so ****ing incompetent.

On the opposite end of the scale, if they were aware of her history regarding these issues, and yet still chose to cast her only to eject her before 24 hours had passed - potentially as a publicity stunt - this is perhaps the lowest this pack of useless ***** whom call themselves a production team have ever sunk. Let's put this into perspective here - there's a good chance that of the viewers whom had no idea who Tila was, and that's probably a majority of the audience, most of them definitely had no idea about all of this controversy in her past. So to deliberately (or even unintentionally, to be honest) cast this woman onto a television show which is going to raise her profile knowing full well of her history of depression and mental illness, only to then put all the attention on her a day later by chucking her out for comments she made two years ago when she was going through said mental illnesses, is absolutely ****ing abhorrent.

This is effectively letting somebody move on from their past, casting them on your show to show a better side of themselves, and then stopping that in its tracks to say 'hey guys, remember when she said all these things a couple of years ago? remember that! you know, when she was going through a rough patch in her life that she's now apparently overcome! here's what she said everyone!' so that she can be abused, vilified and hated all over again. This is a new low and if it's all for publicity at the expense of someone's mental health then this is grounds for an axe alone to be quite honest. This is not the way to treat another human being for the purposes of press attention, ratings or morality.

She either shouldn't have been cast in the first place if they had done their ****ing research properly, or she should have been left to enjoy her time in a programme she had been paid (and isn't anymore) to do.

Now if she had expressed opinions of this ilk inside the house then that's a different matter, however I don't think it's grounds for an immediate ejection. Most housemates receive formal warnings for making controversial and potentially offensive remarks inside the house several times before they are rightfully ejected, and if this is what led to her removal then this is what should have happened first as far as I am concerned.

And really all of this can be disregarded anyway because the bottom line of it is, if she never said anything inside the house, comments made outside of the constraints of Big Brother should not be reason to remove someone from the show. We, and the producers, are supposed to judge the actions of the housemates inside the house. That is the point of the show. If you are going to eject people for things they have done and said before the show began, especially when it's as long as two years ago, then not only have you not done your research properly you incompetent, laughably useless ****ing twats, but this show shouldn't exist.

This show is a mess. A disgusting in all senses of the word, ****ing mess

On the button, Jack. Great post.

[LukeB]

No opinions are unacceptable under Freedom of Speech though. It's an all or nothing kind of deal. You can't dip your toes into it and get out whenever you get offended. Restricted freedom of speech isn't freedom of speech at all.

tbh

[DemolitionRed]

They had Jimmy Saville on CBB and treated him like a superstar....

hmmm, what's worse, molesting dozens of children at psychiatric hospitals like Saville, or Tila saying a few offensive words...

Give me a break. The CBB producers are clearly in no position to judge.

That was before any of us knew anything about what he'd done.

As for Tila being put in front of the public eye for entertainment, nah...she deserves what she got.

[Saph]

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[Ashley.]

That was before any of us knew anything about what he'd done.

As for Tila being put in front of the public eye for entertainment, nah...she deserves what she got.

People had their doubts about Jimmy when he was still alive, but all the cases against him were quickly dropped bc little evidence.

[Tom4784]

Keep that truth coming :clap1:
People are blinded by the potential housemates quality. Some should open a history book and learn which qualities should be praised and which not.

Perhaps you're the one that needs to read a history book to understand the sacrifices people have made so you get to enjoy the benefits of Freedom of Speech instead of denouncing it 'cus you can't handle a few uncouth old opinions. There's nothing sadder and more offensive then a person who is willing to forgo their own rights. Have some respect for the people who died for your rights.

[jet]

Then you are for censorship and against Free Speech, this is a black and white issue. You're either for it or against it. There is no grey area. It's all or nothing.

Seems like it's a gray area for you though, because otherwise you wouldn't post on a forum where you can get a warning or be banned (quite rightly) for certain 'free speech' and which therefore practises censorship. I thought it was all or nothing for you?
Ever heard of the saying 'put your money where your mouth is?'

[Ammi]

...anyways it seems odd for a show who largely chooses housemates based on their controversial past, to remove a housemate because of her controversial past..would it not have been better for her to be given the chance to actually talk about it all..?...having said that though, I'm not sure that the BB house would have been a healthy environment for her if she does have mental health issues.../really don't know much about her tbh...

[lostalex]

Not wanting people with Nazi views in public spotlight with no apprehension is not PC gone mad.

she doesn't have nazi views.

[Ammi]

..surely there just has to be more to her removal that we're not being told..Jim Davidson was chosen because of his controversy/and racist stuff and Paddy Doherty as well, quite a controversial person and yet they both went on to win their series...

[Ammi]

..it isn't excusing her views for many people, Connie...it's more for her to have been there to explain them, talk about them etc... hasn't that always been a huge part of CBB and the celebrities they choose..

[y.winter]

Perhaps you're the one that needs to read a history book to understand the sacrifices people have made so you get to enjoy the benefits of Freedom of Speech instead of denouncing it 'cus you can't handle a few uncouth old opinions. There's nothing sadder and more offensive then a person who is willing to forgo their own rights. Have some respect for the people who died for your rights.

The fact that people don't know to separate criminal incitement and prohibited propaganda to freedom of speech is sad and ignorant.
Freedom of speech is wonderful, but with Tila's that's not the case - deeming Hitler as acceptable is deeming his actions as acceptable and from there it's a short and slippy road.
So as long as any of you see Tila's saying (and photoshoping and saying it again and again and again) as something that goes under the title of acceptable freedom of speech - well done, you clearly know little to nothing.

[Grotbags]

I can't even believe that people are ARGUING about this! What she said was deplorable.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. She hasn't been arrested, she hasn't gone to prison, she has been removed from a television show!

As I've said before, the Hitler comments are only the tip of the iceberg with her and the excuses that she has given are ridiculous and offensive.

She has a history of spouting nonsense just to get attention, including the self harm video where 'Jane' attacked her which led to her FANS calling the police because of concern for her safety which led to her being held on a 5150.

She should never have been in the house in the first place.

[Northern Monkey]

Tila and the viewers were stitched up like a kipper by BB/C5.She should never have been invited in the first place if she is too controversial.Fact is,She was invited and did absolutely nothing wrong to deserve being kicked out.Once she'd signed the contract and gone in then it's the researchers responsibilty and them who should be punished,Not us or Tila.

[susie q]

Her APOLOGY is BS!

The Nazi comments were just the tip of the iceberg for her, and blaming her addiction, depression, suicidal thoughts is offensive.

I do blame BB for a lot of this because they should have done their research and never let her into the house in the first place.

As recently as the 17th of August she was posting Facebook statuses such as this about her baby -

'She got so mad at me for trying to wrap this thing around her head so it looks like she's wearing a hijab! But she kept snatching it off her head, and giving me the meanest cute look! I can't with this crazy Lil child of mine! So this was the best I could get of her to stay still. Now she terrorizing the home like it's 9/11! Awww shieeeeeeet! ������ And why does my child look Irish here? I promise you it's just the lighting. Lol ‪#‎IsabellaMonroe‬ ‪#‎Burberrybaby‬ ‪#‎SwagLikMom‬ ‪#‎LittleRebel‬ ‪#‎Terrorist‬'

I too think it was wrong to put her in the house in the first place, as she is clearly mentally unstable. However she did seem as if she could be quite a nice person underneath it all. I hope she gets help.

[Semtex]

If BB had done their job in the first place this would never have happened because she would have never been a housemate.

They didn't do their job, so as much as Tila's abhorrent two year old comments are concerned they should not have caused her eviction.

C5 must have had some serious pressure put onto them by a main sponsor.

Jewcozade?

^^^ Joke!

[lostalex]

..surely there just has to be more to her removal that we're not being told..Jim Davidson was chosen because of his controversy/and racist stuff and Paddy Doherty as well, quite a controversial person and yet they both went on to win their series...

I forgot about the Paddy stuff, he said horribly homopboic stuff about how he'd reject his son if he were gay, but BB kept him on the show, wtf.

I guess jews are more important than gay people to the CBB producers.

[lostalex]

I can't even believe that people are ARGUING about this! What she said was deplorable.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. She hasn't been arrested, she hasn't gone to prison, she has been removed from a television show!

As I've said before, the Hitler comments are only the tip of the iceberg with her and the excuses that she has given are ridiculous and offensive.

She has a history of spouting nonsense just to get attention, including the self harm video where 'Jane' attacked her which led to her FANS calling the police because of concern for her safety which led to her being held on a 5150.

She should never have been in the house in the first place.

So basically just as bad as katie hopkins, except actually not as bad as Katie hopkins, because Tila at least has the excuse of mental illness, katie hopkins was in her full right mind when she said all of her hateful statements.

[Robodog]

This whole thing is a disgusting, pathetic, shambolic joke.

Here's what all of this boils down to. Firstly, assuming they casting directors had no idea of the controversial statements Tila has made in the past, that is quite frankly a woeful lack of research that has gone into the preparation for this series. Stop being so ****ing incompetent.

On the opposite end of the scale, if they were aware of her history regarding these issues, and yet still chose to cast her only to eject her before 24 hours had passed - potentially as a publicity stunt - this is perhaps the lowest this pack of useless ***** whom call themselves a production team have ever sunk. Let's put this into perspective here - there's a good chance that of the viewers whom had no idea who Tila was, and that's probably a majority of the audience, most of them definitely had no idea about all of this controversy in her past. So to deliberately (or even unintentionally, to be honest) cast this woman onto a television show which is going to raise her profile knowing full well of her history of depression and mental illness, only to then put all the attention on her a day later by chucking her out for comments she made two years ago when she was going through said mental illnesses, is absolutely ****ing abhorrent.

This is effectively letting somebody move on from their past, casting them on your show to show a better side of themselves, and then stopping that in its tracks to say 'hey guys, remember when she said all these things a couple of years ago? remember that! you know, when she was going through a rough patch in her life that she's now apparently overcome! here's what she said everyone!' so that she can be abused, vilified and hated all over again. This is a new low and if it's all for publicity at the expense of someone's mental health then this is grounds for an axe alone to be quite honest. This is not the way to treat another human being for the purposes of press attention, ratings or morality.

She either shouldn't have been cast in the first place if they had done their ****ing research properly, or she should have been left to enjoy her time in a programme she had been paid (and isn't anymore) to do.

Now if she had expressed opinions of this ilk inside the house then that's a different matter, however I don't think it's grounds for an immediate ejection. Most housemates receive formal warnings for making controversial and potentially offensive remarks inside the house several times before they are rightfully ejected, and if this is what led to her removal then this is what should have happened first as far as I am concerned.

And really all of this can be disregarded anyway because the bottom line of it is, if she never said anything inside the house, comments made outside of the constraints of Big Brother should not be reason to remove someone from the show. We, and the producers, are supposed to judge the actions of the housemates inside the house. That is the point of the show. If you are going to eject people for things they have done and said before the show began, especially when it's as long as two years ago, then not only have you not done your research properly you incompetent, laughably useless ****ing twats, but this show shouldn't exist.

This show is a mess. A disgusting in all senses of the word, ****ing mess

This post is so full of truth, i had to re-post it again. Whatever way you look at it, BB have been APPALLING in the way they have handled this situation.

[lostalex]

i really hope she still got her fee. it would be totally unfair if they did this and then refused to pay her.

she might even be entitled to more money, because i think they purposefully used her to humiliate her.

[jet]

If an ugly old geezer had tweeted what Tila did with the excuse of being mentally unstable I wonder if the reaction would be the same. What do 6 million jews matter when a young hottie promises to get her kit off. Sad.

[MrWong]

i really hope she still got her fee. it would be totally unfair if they did this and then refused to pay her.

she might even be entitled to more money, because i think they purposefully used her to humiliate her.

I've read somewhere that she didn't.

[lostalex]

I've read somewhere that she didn't.

that would be ****ed up. and i doubt she has enough money to sue them properly. I really feel bad for her now. Such a dick move by the producers. **** them.

[Tom4784]

The fact that people don't know to separate criminal incitement and prohibited propaganda to freedom of speech is sad and ignorant.
Freedom of speech is wonderful, but with Tila's that's not the case - deeming Hitler as acceptable is deeming his actions as acceptable and from there it's a short and slippy road.
So as long as any of you see Tila's saying (and photoshoping and saying it again and again and again) as something that goes under the title of acceptable freedom of speech - well done, you clearly know little to nothing.

So patronising.

What, do you think Tila Tequila making a dumbass statement will lead to people going 'hey, this messy bimbo is right! HEIL HITLER'. No, people were rightfully reviled by her comments. It ain't a slippery slope because people can actually think for themselves and can mostly tell the difference between right and wrong.

She's entitled to her ****ty opinions and we're entitled to judge the hell out of her for it but if she hasn't been charged with anything at this point then it's not considered a crime and thus it's covered by Freedom of Speech.

Freedom of Speech is uncomfortable but I'd take a thousand Tila Tequilas, Westboro Baptist churches etc if it means that I and the vast majority are free to speak our minds without fear of persecution for it.

[lostalex]

So patronising.

What, do you think Tila Tequila making a dumbass statement will lead to people going 'hey, this messy bimbo is right! HEIL HITLER'. No, people were rightfully reviled by her comments. It ain't a slippery slope because people can actually think for themselves and can mostly tell the difference between right and wrong.

She's entitled to her ****ty opinions and we're entitled to judge the hell out of her for it but if she hasn't been charged with anything at this point then it's not considered a crime and thus it's covered by Freedom of Speech.

Freedom of Speech is uncomfortable but I'd take a thousand Tila Tequilas, Westboro Baptist churches etc if it means that I and the vast majority are free to speak our minds without fear of persecution for it.

very well said.

[Kizzy]

So basically just as bad as katie hopkins, except actually not as bad as Katie hopkins, because Tila at least has the excuse of mental illness, katie hopkins was in her full right mind when she said all of her hateful statements.

Katie Hopkins doesn't own a full mind a portion of hers is missing, I think this qualifies as a mental impairment.

[lostalex]

Katie Hopkins doesn't own a full mind a portion of hers is missing, I think this qualifies as a mental impairment.

that is a cute thing to say, but you are discounting the true impact of mental illness. Katie Hopkins is not mentally ill. Sh really meant everything she said and still stands by everything she has said.

Tila Tequila was mentally ill, and has since denounced all of the anti-semetic things that she posted during her struggles with mental illness.

so it's a very big difference. but the BB producers still kept katie til the finals, but booted Tila on day 2. NOT FAIR.

[Cherie]

If an ugly old geezer had tweeted what Tila did with the excuse of being mentally unstable I wonder if the reaction would be the same. What do 6 million jews matter when a young hottie promises to get her kit off. Sad.

So true she is in her 30s though so not such a young hottie

[y.winter]

What, do you think Tila Tequila making a dumbass statement will lead to people going 'hey, this messy bimbo is right! HEIL HITLER'. No, people were rightfully reviled by her comments. It ain't a slippery slope because people can actually think for themselves and can mostly tell the difference between right and wrong.

No, I don't think so, but the fact that she's a random bimbo doesn't mean her statements are something to skip, after all one doesn't need to be a genius to pull a trigger of a gun.
The german people in the 30's thought too that they can "think for themselves and know right from wrong", and yet the holocaust happened and most of them joined and helped.
But one of the awful things is that the others saw it, knew all about it and yet they didn't speak, didn't raise their voice - not before it started and not during the holocaust.
They didn't think they're capable to create such a monster, they're after all educated and intelligent nation.
Hitler and the Nazi party spread hate and used the democracy and freedom of speech to ignite it amongst the german people - nobody stopped it, it was just "that adolf guy talking about the jews running our economy like pigs and well it makes sense, they are everywhere, let's listen more".
Look for example at Dylan Roff, the guy from the massacre in the black community's church in USA.
He wrote a long and very detailed hateful manifesto way before the shooting, but at that time he didn't shoot anybody. Just words. Just Ideas. Just 20 something years old american guy. Just some virtual text on a website floating in the internet. Should he be arrested?
And yet, these ideas were formed in his mind, because he read stuff, and he heard someone else saying things like that, and hey here's another one who thinks like him. All freedom of speech.
This tiny unconscious hate became bigger and bigger and solid and solid and it exploded cause no one was there to open an eye and shut a mouth.
It takes one lunatic's finger to squeeze a trigger, but we're all responsible for it from happening.
That's what happens in America every now and then, that what has happened first in germany and spreaded all over Europe.
We should never take it on the chin when we hear something like this, you can never know which mad psychopath is listening.
It's naive thinking it can't happen again, it happened once, it can happen twice (especially being apathetic about it).
That's why there's incitement and there's freedom of speech - it's all words, different meanings.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[lostalex]

No, I don't think so, but the fact that she's a random bimbo doesn't mean her statements are something to skip, after all one doesn't need to be a genius to pull a trigger of a gun.
The german people in the 30's thought too that they can "think for themselves and know right from wrong", and yet the holocaust happened and most of them joined and helped.
But one of the awful things is that the others saw it, knew all about it and yet they didn't speak, didn't raise their voice - not before it started and not during the holocaust.
They didn't think they're capable to create such a monster, they're after all educated and intelligent nation.
Hitler and the Nazi party spread hate and used the democracy and freedom of speech to ignite it amongst the german people - nobody stopped it, it was just "that adolf guy talking about the jews running our economy like pigs and well it makes sense, they are everywhere, let's listen more".
Look for example at Dylan Roff, the guy from the massacre in the black community's church in USA.
He wrote a long and very detailed hateful manifesto way before the shooting, but at that time he didn't shoot anybody. Just words. Just Ideas. Just 20 something years old american guy. Just some virtual text on a website floating in the internet. Should he be arrested?
And yet, these ideas were formed in his mind, because he read stuff, and he heard someone else saying things like that, and hey here's another one who thinks like him. All freedom of speech.
This tiny unconscious hate became bigger and bigger and solid and solid and it exploded cause no one was there to open an eye and shut a mouth.
It takes one lunatic's finger to squeeze a trigger, but we're all responsible for it from happening.
That's what happens in America every now and then, that what has happened first in germany and spreaded all over Europe.
We should never take it on the chin when we hear something like this, you can never know which mad psychopath is listening.
It's naive thinking it can't happen again, it happened once, it can happen twice (especially being apathetic about it).
That's why there's incitement and there's freedom of speech - it's all words, different meanings.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

you don't even make any sense. the nazi's WERE socialists. NAZI stand for National SoZialists. the nazi's were the most successful Socialists ever!

you do kn ow that the Nazi party was a LEFT wing party right? they were all about giving more socialist power to the government.

[y.winter]

you don't even make any sense. the nazi's WERE socialists. NAZI stand for National SoZialists. the nazi's were the most successful Socialists ever!

you do kn ow that the Nazi party was a LEFT wing party right? they were all about giving more socialist power to the government.

I don't understand you. What does it has to do with them being left or socialists?

[Kazanne]

If an ugly old geezer had tweeted what Tila did with the excuse of being mentally unstable I wonder if the reaction would be the same. What do 6 million jews matter when a young hottie promises to get her kit off. Sad.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Josy]

I can't even believe that people are ARGUING about this! What she said was deplorable.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. She hasn't been arrested, she hasn't gone to prison, she has been removed from a television show!

As I've said before, the Hitler comments are only the tip of the iceberg with her and the excuses that she has given are ridiculous and offensive.

She has a history of spouting nonsense just to get attention, including the self harm video where 'Jane' attacked her which led to her FANS calling the police because of concern for her safety which led to her being held on a 5150.

She should never have been in the house in the first place.

Completely agree with everything you posted, I said similar in another thread.

And the freedom of speech argument doesn't have a leg to stand on here it's just straw clutching.

[Robodog]

Completely agree with everything you posted, I said similar in another thread.

And the freedom of speech argument doesn't have a leg to stand on here it's just straw clutching.

Sadly it isn't just straw clutching as the implications here are very serious and yet very unclear, so it needs debate.

I say unclear because what BB has done is remove a HM for expressing controversial views online years before entering the BB house, but not told even told the viewers what those views are. Nor has BB spelled out EXACTLY what is acceptable/unacceptable for HMs to say in general as we go forward from this point onwards.

Does this mean we are now in a new phase of BB whereby ANY HM can be removed at any time if someone, somewhere finds a posting they made years ago that can cause offence to somebody?

And does it stop exclusively at Hitler?

Can a HM be removed if they once said they can see the good side of Pol Pot? Or Genghis Khan? Or Harold Shipman? Or fox hunting? Or illegal drug addiction?

What if they simply made a really cutting edge joke like one of Frankie Boyle's?

BB need to be crystal clear about this, not leave future HMs at the mercy of their vague guidelines and poor research.

Of course the freedom of speech debate will be ignited in these circumstances because there is no clarity on the subject of precisely what you can and can't say in the eyes of BB now - either inside OR outside of the house!

But as Jack said in his post on this thread - BB should have done their research better and sorted this out LONG before letting a HM enter the house only to remove her 24 hours later. BB have been appalling in their handling of this. And right now - we are STILL none the wiser about PRECISELY what you can/can't say in the future!

It's a total mess.

[bots]

Sadly it isn't just straw clutching as the implications here are very serious and yet very unclear, so it needs debate.

I say unclear because what BB has done is remove a HM for expressing controversial views online years before entering the BB house, but not told even told the viewers what those views are. Nor has BB spelled out EXACTLY what is acceptable/unacceptable for HMs to say in general as we go forward from this point onwards.

Does this mean we are now in a new phase of BB whereby ANY HM can be removed at any time if someone, somewhere finds a posting they made years ago that can cause offence to somebody?

And does it stop exclusively at Hitler?

Can a HM be removed if they once said they can see the good side of Pol Pot? Or Genghis Khan? Or Harold Shipman? Or fox hunting? Or illegal drug addiction?

What if they simply made a really cutting edge joke like one of Frankie Boyle's?

BB need to be crystal clear about this, not leave future HMs at the mercy of their vague guidelines and poor research.

Of course the freedom of speech debate will be ignited in these circumstances because there is no clarity on the subject of precisely what you can and can't say in the eyes of BB now - either inside OR outside of the house!

But as Jack said in his post on this thread - BB should have done their research better and sorted this out LONG before letting a HM enter the house only to remove her 24 hours later. BB have been appalling in their handling of this. And right now - we are STILL none the wiser about PRECISELY what you can/can't say in the future!

It's a total mess.

The general public, and channel sponsors dictate what is considered acceptable. I have no doubt they were aiming to create some controversy, but there is a fine line between controversial and unacceptable, and clearly the UK public and channel sponsors made their views clear, forcing BB into the action it took.

[the truth]

You're right, it's not comparable. 6 million people died in the Holocaust, it's way way more than the london attacks.
I'm sorry You're hurt by this sentence, but it was just to show how you all know nothing about what happened on WW2 and are just up for entertainment in a TV show.
My grandfather had to runaway and make a heartbreaking desicion to leave is 7 siblings and mother and father and friends and relatives to survive.
He lived in the woods, hide in dark basements, begged for food and looked for kindness - all while knowing his familly is butchered one by one by Hitler and his supporters.
You talk about Tila going through a tough time in 2013 justyfing this? Let's talk about my grandather's hard time and how he dealt with it.

I'm absolutely fuming at people craving for a housemate in big brother just to satisfy their momentary enjoyment.


My forefathers died fighting against hitler ....as did millions tens of millions of others....BUT they died fighting for freedom and that freedom includes some idiot like this saying something stupid one time but not having to be crucified for it...she has acted on her moronic words , this was nothing to do with the show at all. the whole thing stinks. people have died for freedom of speech and also one has to keep some perspective on these matters. dreadful decision by BB

[Robodog]

The general public, and channel sponsors dictate what is considered acceptable. I have no doubt they were aiming to create some controversy, but there is a fine line between controversial and unacceptable, and clearly the UK public and channel sponsors made their views clear, forcing BB into the action it took.

It's really not that simple. We are ALL the general public and we all have different views on what is acceptable. There was no great board meeting where members of the public met with Channel 5 bosses and made the decision together. I too am 'the general public' and i never made my views clear because - like the rest of us - i never even heard about Tila's views until she was removed.

It's more likely a dirt digging media source that bought it to Channel 5's attention and they decided to remove her in case it all kicked off.

Either that or like you say, CH5 deliberately let the controversy occur over this by letting her in first, knowing they were going to remove her later.

Fact is - we STILL don't know EXACTLY what subjects are off limits in BB's eyes, going forward from this point.

Is it just the subject of Hitler that HMs can be removed over? Or are there other subjects BB won't tolerate? Will BB tell us first what they are or will they repeat this shambles and have other future HMs enter the house only to be suddenly removed once their previous offensive online postings have been unearthed?

BB has a duty to be clear about this.

[bots]

It is actually that simple. It doesn't matter if Tila's ejection seems unfair to some, it doesn't matter if she was ejected for something said in whatever circumstances 2 years ago. BB doesn't need to provide any details. If people don't like it, they shouldn't watch the show.

It is a simple fact that if a sufficient number of Viacom sponsors threatened to withdraw their funding, the channel would have no choice but to comply or cease operation. If sufficient public protest groups lend their weight to a cause, it will be followed by the channel.

These things happen irrespective of implied BB rules or expected behaviour. I'm struggling that this concept is so hard for those complaining to understand.

[lostalex]

It is actually that simple. It doesn't matter if Tila's ejection seems unfair to some, it doesn't matter if she was ejected for something said in whatever circumstances 2 years ago. BB doesn't need to provide any details. If people don't like it, they shouldn't watch the show.

It is a simple fact that if a sufficient number of Viacom sponsors threatened to withdraw their funding, the channel would have no choice but to comply or cease operation. If sufficient public protest groups lend their weight to a cause, it will be followed by the channel.

These things happen irrespective of implied BB rules or expected behaviour. I'm struggling that this concept is so hard for those complaining to understand.

i'm a Viacom supporter(because i watch plenty of Viacom/CBS shows), so i get to have an opinion about it, and i get to disagree if i want to.

[arista]

It confirms that you need to be careful about what you put out on social media, an attempt to be edgy, or controversial can come back and bite you on the bum many years later. Take note!


Yes photo of her with Nazi clothes
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[lostalex]

Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve.

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[Ashley.]

Yes photo of her with Nazi clothes
freak

For the last time, the picture is fake.

[Robodog]

It is actually that simple. It doesn't matter if Tila's ejection seems unfair to some, it doesn't matter if she was ejected for something said in whatever circumstances 2 years ago. BB doesn't need to provide any details. If people don't like it, they shouldn't watch the show.

It is a simple fact that if a sufficient number of Viacom sponsors threatened to withdraw their funding, the channel would have no choice but to comply or cease operation. If sufficient public protest groups lend their weight to a cause, it will be followed by the channel.

These things happen irrespective of implied BB rules or expected behaviour. I'm struggling that this concept is so hard for those complaining to understand.

Ooh get you!

It's not 'a simple fact' that a number of viacom sponsors threatened to withdraw their funding over this. I've never heard of that, nor has anyone else i've asked. No need to be patronising about it whether it's common knowledge or not.

Anyway, there are STILL unclear guidelines from BB as to what HMs can or cannot say in the future outside the BB house, so how do we go forward from this without repeating history unless BB spells it out clearly first on ALL 'off limits' subjects?

BB has a duty to be clear about it's guidelines for HMs opinions, not just INSIDE but also now OUTSIDE the house. Surely people asking for BB's clarity on that important subject is not a concept you are struggling to understand as well?

[bots]

BB can't have rules and regulations available for every eventuality, and sometimes events outside the house will dictate what happens (irrespective of any rules implied or otherwise) Its a TV program, nothing more, nothing less. No free speech has been denied, the person is still more than capable of saying whatever they want to. It was just deemed on this occasion, that she was not appropriate for the TV show.

[Robodog]

BB can't have rules and regulations available for every eventuality, and sometimes events outside the house will dictate what happens (irrespective of any rules implied or otherwise) Its a TV program, nothing more, nothing less. No free speech has been denied, the person is still more than capable of saying whatever they want to. It was just deemed on this occasion, that she was not appropriate for the TV show.

I get all that of course. I'm just concerned for it happening again unless there is clarity on the subjects BB finds it acceptable for future HMs to discuss outside the house. I don't know if this is just a one-off, exclusive to Tila and comments about Hitler, or if it now means we are in a new era of BB whereby ANY HM can be removed if they have made previous comments that causes offence to anyone- about ANY subject that could be seen as offensive to someone, whether it's about Hitler or not.

I appreciate your or any forum members view on the subject but i really think BB needs to be clear about this now or future HMs are left in a pretty precarious position.

[bots]

Well, who knows, but money and popularity will always be the main drivers in a commercial venture.

Thing is, BB has never been promoted as a platform for free speech, putting across particular viewpoints whether they be political, religious or anything else. Some cast members may have tried to make it that platform, but its never been its main focus. Its always been about the interaction of the specific group of housemates in a particular season.

One thing BB has never been far from is controversy, and if they sanitise it to the point where it is safe for everyone's viewing pleasure, it will lose much of its inherent appeal. However, when they pick controversial characters, there will always be the risk that they go beyond the bounds of public/sponsor acceptability, its a fine line, so it could happen at any time.

[wendywillow]

so she gets kicked out in case someone goes back and reads something she wrote 2 years ago and gets offended? would anyone really care? who reads tilas blog in the first place? shes not running for public office...she was on a silly tv show where people dress in costumes.

[Erik B]

Being punished for a stupid comment made long before the show aired and NOT during the show takes political correctness to a scary level. She didn't commit a crime in her country with her opinions and though stupid, I still defend her rights to make those stupid comments.
The irony is that this looks like a Gestapo tactic although BB may have good intentions. If it was due to concerns of loosing advertising revenue it would be far worse.
In any case I have stopped watching BB as of the third episode.