Scoop cautioned for using the 'n' word.

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Celebrity Big Brother summer 2015 bosses have “advised” Fatman Scoop over his use of the ‘n’ word following a measured discussion with James Hill about Hulk Hogan’s racism scandal.

Yesterday, some of the housemates were talking remarks made by the wrestler in his leaked sex tape, when Scoop offered his thoughts on the highly offensive term.

“I’m black, I’ll say it. N****r isn’t a race, it’s a mentality,” he said. “I know n****rs of every nationality, it’s a mentality, the way you act, the way you behave, the way you carry yourself. It’s not a race.”

As Sherrie Hewson and Stevi Ritchie looked on awkwardly, James asked the rapper for his thoughts on the ‘n’ word in music. “I don’t for one minute agree with white people calling black people that, but how come it’s alright that black people can call black people that in music, then as soon as a white man calls a black man it, there’s such a massive thing?” he wondered.

“This is my personal opinion, music has made it acceptable to say the world n***r in everything,” Scoop claimed. “If you put it in popular music, you cannot turn around and say, ‘hold up, don’t say it’.

“But let’s get deeper, there are different classes of n****r. It’s like, ‘yo n***a, what’s going on man, you good, you cool, you’re my n***a. Then there’s n***r, which is like, ‘you’re a ****ing n****r’, really really racist. It’s how you say it to me, the voice, the inflection, everything.”

“Young people who listen to this music think it’s acceptable as you promote it,” observed James.

“That’s why you can’t argue with it,” agreed Scoop. “It’s become a term of endearment to most people. We’ve made it in to a positive word, but it’s all in the way you put it across.”

Despite the considered nature of the conversation, Scoop was called to the Diary Room today to be reminded of the Big Brother rules – although he wasn’t issued with an official warning.

“While Big Brother completely understands the context of the conversation you were having, that word and term will be seen as offensive to many of Big Brother’s viewers, so Big Brother is advising you to refrain from using that word,” said the all-seeing eye.

“I understand exactly what you’re saying,” accepted Scoop. “To me it’s not offensive, depending on the person. I do understand this is a situation where you have viewers and stuff like that, but as a black man I felt like I was in a unique position to explain to people what it is.”

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[Denver]

We already saw it.

I understand where he was coming from but i think it was the right decision to caution him

[Rob!]

I thought BB were perfectly reasonable tbh.

[reece(:]

Stupid IMO.

[Pete.]

He was just explaining himself in the conversation though. I'm not surprised about what the Ofcom fearing production team do at this point but I'd be very surprised if anyone actually did complain because of Scoop.

[armand.kay]

Stupid.

[Jordan.]

They could have just not aired it but obviously saw it as another chance to cause controversy

[Stevep]

Ridiculous, people constantly rave on about 'free speech' and here we have a guy having a sensible and mature discussion about a sensitive subject and he gets cautioned.

There is no such thing as free speech.

[reece(:]

Ridiculous, people constantly rave on about 'free speech' and here we have a guy having a sensible and mature discussion about a sensitive subject and he gets cautioned.

There is no such thing as free speech.
The show is giving into the PC complainers.

The Carol warning was just as ridiculous.

[Brother Leon]

So stupid. He was asked as a black person his opinion on the word and he answered. It's a actual interesting conversation even.

[Headie]

This was in the last episode. After seeing it in the context of the conversation, this warning was stupid as hell.

[OZBB]

So stupid. He was asked as a black person his opinion on the word and he answered. It's a actual interesting conversation even.

And this highlights the VERY dangerous problem with PCness.

It stifles free speech.

You've seen one of THE WORST examples now - it's stopped people from even having a conversation that MAY diffuse misunderstanding and misconceptions in the future.

Have you(not aimed at the quoted poster, but ANYBODY reading this)ever accused somebody, knee-jerk style, of being "racist", just because you may have overheard them discussing something in a racial context?

If so, YOU contributed, albeit in a small way, to THIS situation.

[Headie]

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Clock em Mutha P :clap1:

[Headie]

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Clock em Mutha P :clap1:

[Jason.]

I thought Nick's ejection in BB1 was the most controversial ejection ever?

[Jordan.]

Um @ Matthew relating the two

[Jason.]

Um @ Matthew relating the two

He certainly isn't as "intelligent" as he makes out.

[Will.]

Who remembers Jemima warning for confessing she hasn't dated many Mediterranean men, there not her type.

[Jason.]

Who remembers Jemima warning for confessing she hasn't dated many Mediterranean men, there not her type.

Gina faking expiriencing racism. How can I forget

[Macie Lightfoot]

alol I mean there's definitely some racial subtext to Jemima saying that she isn't attracted to black guys but mixed race is okay, and then telling Gina that she should understand bc she probably doesn't find white guys attracted.

And yes, what a surprise, Matthew still sucks. I for one am shocked.

[armand.kay]

Saying you wouldn't go out with a black man then assuming that Gina wouldn't go out with a white man (despite her bf at the time being white) is a bit racist. That's just my opinion on the matter
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[Merry Mockmas]

alol I mean there's definitely some racial subtext to Jemima saying that she isn't attracted to black guys but mixed race is okay, and then telling Gina that she should understand bc she probably doesn't find white guys attracted.

And yes, what a surprise, Matthew still sucks. I for one am shocked.

Not fancying a group of people does not make Jemima racist.

And tbh Scoop and James was having an adult conversation that was reasonable at the same time, why does Ch5 want to stifle that on a show based on people interacting with each other?

[lostalex]

It was ridiculous. he didn't call someone the n-word. if he had called someone the N-word then i agree he should be cautioned, but he was just explaining his feelings about it as a black man. if i was talking about the use of the word ****** or gay i wouldn't think it was fair to caution me.

Although the way they cautioned him seemed like the producers knew it wasn't really a big deal, and they didn't give him an official warning so, I guess that's okay. They were just worrying about the over sensivitve idiots that will complain to ofcom over any thing.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Not fancying a group of people does not make Jemima racist.

I didn't say that it makes Jemima racist but saying that you're not attracted to black guys and then immediately following that up by saying that mixed race is okay... like that's clearly ridiculously racially insensitive at minimum.

[Northern Monkey]

Anyone else would have got warned for it so it's only fair that Scoop did.One rule for everybody.

[Ammi]

..I thought that the whole conversation was one of the most interesting BB conversations..and so often we don't get that anymore in HL's/just all of the drama, conflict and argumenst etc..and then they gave him a warning/caution or whatever it was...just silly really...

[ConnieLingus]

I didn't say that it makes Jemima racist but saying that you're not attracted to black guys and then immediately following that up by saying that mixed race is okay... like that's clearly ridiculously racially insensitive at minimum.

What's wrong with saying you don't find certain people attractive?

You are being ridiculously silly.

[rubymoo]

..I thought that the whole conversation was one of the most interesting BB conversations..and so often we don't get that anymore in HL's/just all of the drama, conflict and argumenst etc..and then they gave him a warning/caution or whatever it was...just silly really...

I completely agree, i really enjoyed listening to the conversation, and i do get where Scoop was coming from, it was silly to remind him of the rules, because in all fairness he was just answering a question, we're going to get to the stage where everything is censored, i think perspective is needed.

[JoshBB]

Anyone else would have got warned for it so it's only fair that Scoop did.One rule for everybody.

1) he is black.
2) he was explaining exactly why it is okay for black people to use the word but not other people.

It's called reclaiming a word.

[bots]

1) he is black.
2) he was explaining exactly why it is okay for black people to use the word but not other people.

It's called reclaiming a word.

1. it makes no difference. As he was explaining, much has to do with the intention when using the word. Its actually quite ridiculous to say someone black can't be racist as there are many different sub categories within every race that can then be further targeted.

2. He was explaining why he used it. Doesn't stop it being racist, and his explanation backed up the fact that it was being used in a derogatory fashion.

3. That's what anyone who is racist would say, although I know that's not what you meant.

[lostalex]

1. it makes no difference. As he was explaining, much has to do with the intention when using the word. Its actually quite ridiculous to say someone black can't be racist as there are many different sub categories within every race that can then be further targeted.

2. He was explaining why he used it. Doesn't stop it being racist, and his explanation backed up the fact that it was being used in a derogatory fashion.

3. That's what anyone who is racist would say, although I know that's not what you meant.

1. it does make a difference. i agree a black person can be racist, but he clearly wasn't being racist when he used the word. he even said before he used the word out loud..."i'm going to use the word, because i am black", so he was warning people before he used it, to understand he was only using it in an appropriate way so that he could explain his feelings. he wasn't actually calling anyone specifically that word. he was talking about the word in a general sense.

2. it wasn't racist. he basically said the same thing that chris rock has said hundreds of times in his act, do you think chris rock is racist?

3. he's clearly not racist.

[Northern Monkey]

1) he is black.
2) he was explaining exactly why it is okay for black people to use the word but not other people.

It's called reclaiming a word.I don't care what colour he is.If it's a racist word then it's a racist word.Either everyone can use it or nobody can.BB can't start being selective about who obeys which rules.

[bots]

1. it does make a difference. i agree a black person can be racist, but he clearly wasn't being racist when he used the word.

2. it wasn't racist. he basically said the same thing that chris rock has said hundreds of times in his act, do you think chris rock is racist?

3. he's clearly not racist.

I wouldn't necessarily say that he is racist, but I would say he was bigoted - don't get me wrong, he is actually a favourite of mine, but in explaining he was describing target groups that these things can apply to and why it was OK. That has undertones if one is being pedantic.

[lostalex]

I wouldn't necessarily say that he is racist, but I would say he was bigoted - don't get me wrong, he is actually a favourite of mine, but in explaining he was describing target groups that these things can apply to and why it was OK. That has undertones if one is being pedantic.

he specifically said that the word could also be used to describe a group of people of any race, it was more about hating a low class group of ignorant people, he even said that low class white epople in a trailer park are basically "N-words" , he was trying to explain what the N-word means in certain contexts, sometimes it can be offensive when it is used to describe horrible low class ignorant people, whether white, or black or latino or whatever race....

but that also it can be used as an ironic and affctionate term between black people as a term of endearment.

the same way, some parents might call their children "little piggy" it sounds offense on the outside, and if you called a woman at work "little piggy" they would be horribly offended, but if it's used in an affectionate way in a family, it's not offensive.

[Northern Monkey]

Saying black people can say 'x' word but white people can't is discrimination based on colour in itself.

[JoshBB]

I don't care what colour he is.If it's a racist word then it's a racist word.Either everyone can use it or nobody can.BB can't start being selective about who obeys which rules.

I'm sorry, but stop being ignorant and listen to my point. This is why people don't bother explaining things to people like you.

[lostalex]

Saying black people can say 'x' word but white people can't is discrimination based on colour in itself.

not really, because words exist in a context. the world is not a dictionary where all words are separate and exist on their own.

words exist in a context, and especially a word that has an emotionally value for black people means there is a different meaning when a black person uses it.

words do not exist in a vacuum the way that numbers do. language is about how words are used and what the intention of the speaker is, they are not all just individual entities the way numbers are. a number has a certain value, and nothing can change that single number's value. but words are meaningless without context, so context does matter.

[bots]

he specifically said that the word could also be used to describe a group of people of any race, it was more about hating a low class group of ignorant people, he even said that low class white epople in a trailer park are basically "N-words" , he was trying to explain what the N-word means in certain contexts, sometimes it can be offensive when it is used to describe horrible low class ignorant people, whether white, or black or latino or whatever race....

but that also it can be used as an ironic and affctionate term between black people as a term of endearment.

the same way, some parents might call their children "little piggy" it sounds offense on the outside, and if you called a woman at work "little piggy" they would be horribly offended, but if it's used in an affectionate way in a family, it's not offensive.


As I said, its all in your usage and your intention behind it, he was saying that it can be a general purpose derogatory term.

With that many connotations behind the word, none of them good, there is no justification for using it.

[lostalex]

As I said, its all in your usage and your intention behind it, he was saying that it can be a general purpose derogatory term.

With that many connotations behind the word, none of them good, there is no justification for using it.

i agree there is no good reason to use it for an actual person, but i don't think the way he used it was against anyone or in a derogatory fashion. he didn't actually call anyone the N-word... he just said the N-word while he was talking about the n-word. and let's be honest, if i had used the actual N-word in this explanation, instead of saying "the n-word" would it make me a racist? no.

i really don't see why using the phrase "the n-word" is any less offensive than saying the word ******. as long as you aren't calling someone that.

[Gusto Brunt]

if they were so concerned, why didn't BB stop him after he said the word twice.

Why did they let him go on and on.

And on? :D

[lostalex]

if they were so concerned, why didn't BB stop him after he said the word twice.

Why did they let him go on and on.

And on? :D

they didn't even call him into the diary room until the next day, and this conversation was in the morning the day before, so it took them 24 hours to call him into the diary room. and it sounded like the producers didn't even really want to, i think they did it just to cover their butts for Ofcom.

you can tell when the producers are mad and upset with a housemate, and they clearly were not upset with him over it. and good for him for not making a big deal over the caution.

[Ammi]

..isn't that though why BB should not stifle and 'caution' these conversations...because it all gives us better understandings ..?...I always thought that because it's history of a white person using it of being derogatory and 'superior' then it's never acceptable for a white person to use it but by a black person using it to another black person as a term of 'buddy/friend/brother' etc...it was taking away any 'negative power' so therefore, reclaiming the word in a positive way..see, these things are things that need to be discussed really I think....

[Slevin]

i had no problem with it and i agree with others it was one of the more interesting real conversations recently. i also cant stand saying the n-word as well. as long as its not used in a malicious way. like relaying it back that someone was saying it without getting their panties in a bunch.

[Macie Lightfoot]

What's wrong with saying you don't find certain people attractive?

You are being ridiculously silly.

Again, like I've been saying the truly worrying part to me was how she followed up "I'm not really attracted to black guys" with "well mixed race is okay," as if another race needs to be present to balance out the blackness. Whether or not you find that racist, it's definitely racially insensitive (as is boldly assuming that Gina should understand since she's probably only attracted to black guys.)

[Gusto Brunt]

they didn't even call him into the diary room until the next day, and this conversation was in the morning the day before, so it took them 24 hours to call him into the diary room. and it sounded like the producers didn't even really want to, i think they did it just to cover their butts for Ofcom.

you can tell when the producers are mad and upset with a housemate, and they clearly were not upset with him over it. and good for him for not making a big deal over the caution.

BB really is clueless.

[lostalex]

..isn't that though why BB should not stifle and 'caution' these conversations...because it all gives us better understandings ..?...I always thought that because it's history of a white person using it of being derogatory and 'superior' then it's never acceptable for a white person to use it but by a black person using it to another black person as a term of 'buddy/friend/brother' etc...it was taking away any 'negative power' so therefore, reclaiming the word in a positive way..see, these things are things that need to be discussed really I think....

that's what i think too Ammi. well put.

[Northern Monkey]

not really, because words exist in a context. the world is not a dictionary where all words are separate and exist on their own.

words exist in a context, and especially a word that has an emotionally value for black people means there is a different meaning when a black person uses it.

words do not exist in a vacuum the way that numbers do. language is about how words are used and what the intention of the speaker is, they are not all just individual entities the way numbers are. a number has a certain value, and nothing can change that single number's value. but words are meaningless without context, so context does matter.Very true.So when Ken Morley described a story in his past about when he jokingly called his friend(who happens to be black) Frank Bruno's music 'negro rythyms' the context there there was that there was no malicious intent to it,He was'nt using it as an insult to anybody and he was just retelling a story from his past and if i remember correctly he was warned for it just as Scoop was warned for using the other and arguabley slightly worse 'N' word.BB have to be consistent or viewers are gonna start calling BS on the rules and the show will suffer.

[Cherry Christmas]

I didn't see the need for a caution, they just jumped on it for controversy, Scoop said much the same thing people have been saying for years, and kudos to James for asking the questions many people ask

[Northern Monkey]

I'm sorry, but stop being ignorant and listen to my point. This is why people don't bother explaining things to people like you.

People like me?

Not agreeing with your point is not ignorant,It is a difference of opinion.

[lostalex]

Very true.So when Ken Morley described a story in his past about when he jokingly called his friend(who happens to be black) Frank Bruno's music 'negro rythyms' the context there there was that there was no malicious intent to it,He was'nt using it as an insult to anybody and he was just retelling a story from his past and if i remember correctly he was warned for it just as Scoop was warned for using the other and arguabley slightly worse 'N' word.BB have to be consistent or viewers are gonna start calling BS on the rules and the show will suffer.

well no it's not the same thing, because that person you are taking about was using it as a word to describe someone else. Scoop never used the word to describe another person, he was using the word to talk about the word itself in a general context.

Scoop didn't call anyone a ****** or a negro.... he used the word ****** because he was taking about the word ******, he wasn't calling another person a ******.

[Robodog]

It was the most pathetic warning ever.

Scoop gave the most interesting, considered and intelligent view on the n word that we have seen on tv for a long time.

It was the total opposite of racism, yet he was 'cautioned' like he was being racist!!

Eammon calls Farrah 'nasty' and 'thick' and gets a huge round of applause for his harmful intent.

Scoop has an adult and reasoned conversation about black people reclaiming power in light of the n word and gets cautioned - when there is nothing but GOOD intent in his discussion.

Shows you just how dangerously stupid this show has become when bad intentions are rewarded with applause and good intentions are punished with cautions.

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[Liam-]

Did they actually give him a warning though? I thought they just told him to not say that word again :shrug:

[lostalex]

Did they actually give him a warning though? I thought they just told him to not say that word again :shrug:

i think it was just a caution, not an official warning. i don't think it counts towards the whole "3 strikes and you're out" rule.

When big brother gives an "official warning" they make it clear and use a totally different tone of voice.

[Robodog]

Yeah you are right, not an official warning, but still he was warned/cautioned whatever when all he was doing was being actively anti-racist with mature debate.

He should be applauded, not punished.

[Northern Monkey]

Awell no it's not the same thing, because that person you are taking about was using it as a word to describe someone else. Scoop never used the word to describe another person, he was using the word to talk about the word itself in a general context.

Scoop didn't call anyone a ****** or a negro.... he used the word ****** because he was taking about the word ******, he wasn't calling another person a ******.

Neither was Ken though,He was describing a style of music as "negro rythyms".Technically Scoop was actually describing people as ******* when he said white trailer trash people can also be *******.

I don't care about Scoop saying it,It does'nt offend me personally and yes he was just talking about the word itself but i'm just saying that there should be some consistency and BB should not discriminate between different races as far as the rules are concerned.

Supposing in this convo that Scoop was having that he never got that warning but in the same convo a white person had said the word ****** in the same way Scoop did,Totally harmlessly.Should the white person have got a warning?

I think no as i also think in a perfect scenario Scoop should'nt either but white people have previously been warned for it so BB have set there own bar on what words are acceptable and have no choice but to be consistent.

[jet]

Yeah you are right, not an official warning, but still he was warned/cautioned whatever when all he was doing was being actively anti-racist with mature debate.

He should be applauded, not punished.

This ^^^

[crazycolaist]

I think we can all tell the difference between hate speech & a laugh,
If you cant read between the lines then thats your loss but fair to scoop, We all only human regardless of what nationality,

[lostalex]

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Neither was Ken though,He was describing a style of music as "negro rythyms".Technically Scoop was actually describing people as ******* when he said white trailer trash people can also be *******.

I don't care about Scoop saying it,It does'nt offend me personally and yes he was just talking about the word itself but i'm just saying that there should be some consistency and BB should not discriminate between different races as far as the rules are concerned.

Supposing in this convo that Scoop was having that he never got that warning but in the same convo a white person had said the word ****** in the same way Scoop did,Totally harmlessly.Should the white person have got a warning?

I think no as i also think in a perfect scenario Scoop should'nt either but white people have previously been warned for it so BB have set there own bar on what words are acceptable and have no choice but to be consistent.


if, like scoop said, the word can be used for trailer trash and he used it against Austin or Farrah (because clearly they kinda are...) then i would agree with him getting a warning. but when he was only using the word to have a meta discussion about the word in general, i think it's BS.

[bots]

if, like scoop said, the word can be used for trailer trash and he used it against Austin or Farrah (because clearly they kinda are...) then i would agree with him getting a warning. but when he was only using the word to have a meta discussion about the word in general, i think it's BS.

Equally, by that definition, Ken was having a meta discussion too. I personally had no issue with Ken or Scoop, neither had the intent to offend, which is what its all about at the end of the day.

[Cherry Christmas]

Equally, by that definition, Ken was having a meta discussion too. I personally had no issue with Ken or Scoop, neither had the intent to offend, which is what its all about at the end of the day.

Agree

[JoshBB]

People like me?

Not agreeing with your point is not ignorant,It is a difference of opinion.

No you're completing ignoring what I'm trying to say, and simply saying the same practiced sentence over and over. You need to respond to my point properly, not just repeat your point again. That's not how debate works.

[lostalex]

Equally, by that definition, Ken was having a meta discussion too. I personally had no issue with Ken or Scoop, neither had the intent to offend, which is what its all about at the end of the day.

i'd agree with that. i don't think ken was being racist. i think he said some racially insensitive things though.

[the truth]

I wish everyone would just never use the n word again

[fitz2k2]

Utter bs of a warning. After past housemates been getting away with murder in the house

[fitz2k2]

I wish everyone would just never use the n word again

Sorry its part of life now. People use that to say hello or wassup etc

[the truth]

Sorry its part of life now. People use that to say hello or wassup etc

up to them, people who use it get no respect from me and I hate the word being used by rappers....its an ugly word, let it go

[Dollface]

I thought it was an interesting conversation and the fact he got cautioned for it just proves that there really is no such thing as freedom of speech.