And the Oscar goes to!!!!I don't think.

[dyfed]

What a farce,this women will do anything to play up to the camera....

[Daniel-X]

She had a fit :umm2: of course she was pretending to have an allergic reaction it a bee sting...

[Pete.]

Why would you fake an extreme allergic reaction? The medical team/hospital staff would see through it in a second if it was fake so sit down please

[Beetlejuice]

Her hand was clearly swelling up.

[smudgie]

Her hand swelling was genuine..the rest was fake as fook.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

The allergic reaction was genuine- but it doesn't cause somebody to have a seizure.

[Cal.]

How horrible to accuse her of faking it. Ridiculous.

Close this thread.

[armand.kay]

Oh dear look how silly you've made yourself look.

[hannah.]

The allergic reaction was genuine- but it doesn't cause somebody to have a seizure.

Panic attacks can though. And being stuck in a building while you know you're having an allergic reaction and have to wait for medical attention in case BB thought she was lying would absolutely cause one. Pipe down

[Northern Monkey]

Her hand swelling was genuine..the rest was fake as fook.
Exactly.You could see Emma trying her best not to laugh after the clip.The fit was so obvs fake.

[MrWong]

What a farce,this women will do anything to play up to the camera....

Yeah! Did you see the felt tip pen she was using to make her hand change colour?

WhatAbitch!!!

[MrWong]

The allergic reaction was genuine- but it doesn't cause somebody to have a seizure.

Symptoms of a severe anaphylactic reaction include:

Swelling of the tongue
Difficulty swallowing
Hoarseness and wheezing
Dizziness and light-headedness
Difficulty breathing
Anxiety and disorientation
Nausea and vomiting.
Symptoms of shock such as rapid heartbeat, weak pulse and a drop in blood pressure
Loss of consciousness or seizures.

https://www.southerncross.co.nz/AboutTheGroup/HealthResources/MedicalLibrary/tabid/178/vw/1/ItemID/97/Bee-wasp-sting-allergies-and-analphylaxis.aspx

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Symptoms of a severe anaphylactic reaction include:

Swelling of the tongue
Difficulty swallowing
Hoarseness and wheezing
Dizziness and light-headedness
Difficulty breathing
Anxiety and disorientation
Nausea and vomiting.
Symptoms of shock such as rapid heartbeat, weak pulse and a drop in blood pressure
Loss of consciousness or seizures.

https://www.southerncross.co.nz/AboutTheGroup/HealthResources/MedicalLibrary/tabid/178/vw/1/ItemID/97/Bee-wasp-sting-allergies-and-analphylaxis.aspx

Here are three sources which do not include seizures as a symptom of anaphylaxis (including the NHS), so perhaps your's isn't particularly reliable. May I also how ask how you are qualified to discuss this issue. I was watching the program with a nurse who specialises in epilepsy and deals with seizures on a daily basis- the first thing she did was frown and say 'that wasn't real'.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Anaphylaxis/Pages/Introduction.aspx
http://www.anaphylaxis.org.uk/what-is-anaphylaxis/signs-and-symptoms
http://acaai.org/allergies/anaphylaxis

[T*]

This is disgusting. I'm actually finding this vile. Just imagine if someone said this to you after you had a ****ing fit. Ridiculous.

[T*]

Panic attacks can though. And being stuck in a building while you know you're having an allergic reaction and have to wait for medical attention in case BB thought she was lying would absolutely cause one. Pipe down
Exactly!

[Josy]

This is disgusting. I'm actually finding this vile. Just imagine if someone said this to you after you had a ****ing fit. Ridiculous.

Oh Tom stop getting so worked up because people have a different opinion, you never even knew what anyone was talking about until about half an hour ago.

[T*]

Oh Tom stop getting so worked up because people have a different opinion, you never even knew what anyone was talking about until about half an hour ago.

Just because I didn't see it until a little while after everyone else means that I can't speak up? :umm2:

[Josy]

Panic attacks can though. And being stuck in a building while you know you're having an allergic reaction and have to wait for medical attention in case BB thought she was lying would absolutely cause one. Pipe down

The medic was right in front of her, had no real concern for her health and clearly did not think her 'fit' was serious enough to help her in anyway during it.

No one has said she never had a reaction to the bee sting and no need to tell someone to pipe down for posting an opinion either.

[MrWong]

Here are three sources which do not include seizures as a symptom of anaphylaxis (including the NHS), so perhaps your's isn't particularly reliable. May I also how ask how you are qualified to discuss this issue. I was watching the program with a nurse who specialises in epilepsy and deals with seizures on a daily basis- the first thing she did was frown and say 'that wasn't real'.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Anaphylaxis/Pages/Introduction.aspx
http://www.anaphylaxis.org.uk/what-is-anaphylaxis/signs-and-symptoms
http://acaai.org/allergies/anaphylaxis

I was watching with two doctors and a gynaecologist.

Seriously tho. The medical professional in the room called it a fit. Your nursey friend saw a few seconds on the telly.

[MrWong]

The medic was right in front of her, had no real concern for her health and clearly did not think her 'fit' was serious enough to help her in anyway during it.

No one has said she never had a reaction to the bee sting and no need to tell someone to pipe down for posting an opinion either.

The fact that he said she was having a fit isn't enough?

[Josy]

Just because I didn't see it until a little while after everyone else means that I can't speak up? :umm2:

I never said don't speak up but whats the point in getting worked up and saying peoples opinions are vile :shrug:

[Josy]

The fact that he said she was having a fit isn't enough?

He said 'appears to be having a fit'

[Northern Monkey]

The fact that he said she was having a fit isn't enough?

did'nt he say "appears to be"?

[hannah.]

Here are three sources which do not include seizures as a symptom of anaphylaxis (including the NHS), so perhaps your's isn't particularly reliable. May I also how ask how you are qualified to discuss this issue. I was watching the program with a nurse who specialises in epilepsy and deals with seizures on a daily basis- the first thing she did was frown and say 'that wasn't real'.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Anaphylaxis/Pages/Introduction.aspx
http://www.anaphylaxis.org.uk/what-is-anaphylaxis/signs-and-symptoms
http://acaai.org/allergies/anaphylaxis

Last summer I was hospitalised for a seizure triggered by a panic attack which happened because I was stuck in a bouncy castle... AM I QUALIFIED TO ARGUE WITH YOU, DEAR WISE GOOGLING ONE?

jumped up prick

[T*]

I never said don't speak up but whats the point in getting worked up and saying peoples opinions are vile :shrug:

Because it actually worries me that if someone (like me) was seen to have a panic attack in public or a similar attack, that people would just shrug it off as 'acting' and not help me..
That is a terrifying aspect.
It looks like she had a fit/attack to me.

[MrWong]

He said 'appears to be having a fit'

If she was faking would he have even said that though?

And if she wasn't faking it he wouldn't make an immediate diagnoses which is why he said 'appears to be'

[bots]

i wouldn't wish harm on Janice, but she is and always has been an attention seeking over actress prone to exaggeration at every opportunity. She had a very painful bee sting with an allergic reaction. Not nice for anyone to get, but I do think she took the opportunity to milk it for all it was worth given her current popularity standing with the public and within the house

[hannah.]

The medic was right in front of her, had no real concern for her health and clearly did not think her 'fit' was serious enough to help her in anyway during it.

No one has said she never had a reaction to the bee sting and no need to tell someone to pipe down for posting an opinion either.

No medic would ever approach someone while they're fitting for what I thought were obvious reasons....

[AProducer'sWetDream]

This is disgusting. I'm actually finding this vile. Just imagine if someone said this to you after you had a ****ing fit. Ridiculous.

I find it quite disrespectful towards people (I'm not directing this at you, but to some of the people on social media who have had more 'extreme' reactions) who suffer from epilepsy and go through these intense, distressing and sometimes life-threatening seizures on a daily basis that their experiences are being compared to what happened to Janice tonight. Yes I'm sure it was a terrifying experience for her and she may well have had a panic attack- but the way she collapsed to the floor and lay there did not ring true as being a seizure. If she was having a seizure then one of the first things the medic would've done was to check that she wasn't choking/ hurting her head on the floor.

[Lostie!]

The medic was right in front of her, had no real concern for her health and clearly did not think her 'fit' was serious enough to help her in anyway during it.

No one has said she never had a reaction to the bee sting and no need to tell someone to pipe down for posting an opinion either.

He seemed to be taking it seriously to me, considering he said "I need assistance in here" twice.

[T*]

He seemed to be taking it seriously to me, considering he said "I need assistance in here" twice.

.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

No medic would ever approach someone while they're fitting for what I thought were obvious reasons....

I'll direct you to the NHS guidelines about what to do if somebody is having a seizure: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Epilepsy/Pages/Ifyouseeaseizure.aspx

'"move them away from anything that could cause injury – such as a busy road or hot cooker"- or a diary room chair?

"cushion their head if they're on the ground"

[Lostie!]

A DR chair isn't exactly "a busy road or a hot cooker".

[Josy]

No medic would ever approach someone while they're fitting for what I thought were obvious reasons....

That's not true actually, the first thing medics do is make sure the person having the fit is not surrounded by anything they can harm themselves with then attempt to cushion their head if they are laying on the ground or are falling to the ground, when they stop convulsing they then make sure they don't swallow their tongue and that their airways are clear.

[Josy]

i wouldn't wish harm on Janice, but she is and always has been an attention seeking over actress prone to exaggeration at every opportunity. She had a very painful bee sting with an allergic reaction. Not nice for anyone to get, but I do think she took the opportunity to milk it for all it was worth given her current popularity standing with the public and within the house

This is my thoughts exactly.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

A DR chair isn't exactly "a busy road or a hot cooker".

No but where she was lying she could've easily hit her head if she started convulsing...

[hannah.]

I find it quite disrespectful towards people (I'm not directing this at you, but to some of the people on social media who have had more 'extreme' reactions) who suffer from epilepsy and go through these intense, distressing and sometimes life-threatening seizures on a daily basis that their experiences are being compared to what happened to Janice tonight. Yes I'm sure it was a terrifying experience for her and she may well have had a panic attack- but the way she collapsed to the floor and lay there did not ring true as being a seizure. If she was having a seizure then one of the first things the medic would've done was to check that she wasn't choking/ hurting her head on the floor.

You don't have to be epileptic to have seizures. The fact that people live with epilepsy doesn't mean that those who have non-epileptic seizures should feel bad for it... If anything the opposite; everyone I know with epilepsy is on meds to help their seizures and I don't have any options other than 'don't stand up too fast' and 'make sure people around you know it'll happen'

[MrWong]

He seemed to be taking it seriously to me, considering he said "I need assistance in here" twice.

He did.

Doubt he'd ask for assistance if he thought she was faking it. He'd have just handled the situation himself.

[hannah.]

That's not true actually, the first thing medics do is make sure the person having the fit is not surrounded by anything they can harm themselves with then attempt to cushion their head if they are laying on the ground or are falling to the ground, when they stop convulsing they then make sure they don't swallow their tongue and that their airways are clear.

Well she wasn't close to anything, was she? Airways aren't checked until there's more than one person present and tongue swallowing is a myth.

Next?

[bots]

He seemed to be taking it seriously to me, considering he said "I need assistance in here" twice.

it wouldn't have been particularly professional for a paramedic to burst out laughing if her antics were fake either. So, I don't think you can read anything into his demeanour. Bear in mind, they would have to get his permission to show that segment too

[hannah.]

I'll direct you to the NHS guidelines about what to do if somebody is having a seizure: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Epilepsy/Pages/Ifyouseeaseizure.aspx

'"move them away from anything that could cause injury – such as a busy road or hot cooker"- or a diary room chair?

"cushion their head if they're on the ground"

As I just said, she was clear of the chair. And seeing as we didn't see her fall and she was fairly far away from it, I'd assume he'd already moved her.

We saw an actual medic call for back up, why the **** are you all still calling bull****?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

You don't have to be epileptic to have seizures. The fact that people live with epilepsy doesn't mean that those who have non-epileptic seizures should feel bad for it... If anything the opposite; everyone I know with epilepsy is on meds to help their seizures and I don't have any options other than 'don't stand up too fast' and 'make sure people around you know it'll happen'

I wasn't trying to suggest that for one moment?! If that's the way it came across then I apologise. My point was that people who fake a seizure should feel bad for it because it is disrespectful to anyone who has a seizure- epileptic or not. Again I apologise if my choice of words was poor.

[hannah.]

it wouldn't have been particularly professional for a paramedic to burst out laughing if her antics were fake either. So, I don't think you can read anything into his demeanour. Bear in mind, they would have to get his permission to show that segment too

Yes, from Janice

[hannah.]

I wasn't trying to suggest that for one moment?! If that's the way it came across then I apologise. My point was that people who fake a seizure should feel bad for it because it is disrespectful to anyone who has a seizure- epileptic or not. Again I apologise if my choice of words was poor.

And how many people have you ever met who have faked a seizure?! I appreciate your explanation but as someone who does suffer from non epileptic seizures I read your previous posts as effectively accusing me of faking it because I don't have an official diagnosis of something which makes it 'okay' to have seizures. When honestly with all the tests I'd prefer that

[hannah.]

Also foxes :love:

[Josy]

Well she wasn't close to anything, was she? Airways aren't checked until there's more than one person present and tongue swallowing is a myth.

Next?

Yeah she was close to the DR chair which she had lay down next to when she carefully lowered herself onto the floor during her 'fit'

The rest of your post isnt true either tbh people having a fit can bite their tongue and choke or their air passages can become blocked.

[Lostie!]

it wouldn't have been particularly professional for a paramedic to burst out laughing if her antics were fake either. So, I don't think you can read anything into his demeanour. Bear in mind, they would have to get his permission to show that segment too

Nor would it be professional for a paramedic to react in a lax manner to a potentially serious situation because he thought it might have been fake (which has been suggested with the "Well he didn't seem to find it too serious" argument.

My point was simply that he reacted in a way that absolutely suggested he took it seriously (his personal beliefs about which we know nothing being irrelevant).

[hannah.]

Yeah she was close to the DR chair which she had lay down next to when she carefully lowered herself onto the floor during her 'fit'

The rest of your post isnt true either tbh people having a fit can bite their tongue and choke or their air passages can become blocked.

I'm very much aware of that, thanks :)

But you didn't say 'bite' did you?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Also foxes :love:

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/36800000/Louisa-Rose-Allen-foxes-singer-36892431-245-150.gif
Thankyou :love:

[hannah.]

And her head was nowhere near it. Medics will only move someone if their HEAD is about to smash into something.

[hannah.]

Josy, when you've actually had a fit come and argue about how real they are and what they look like. Stick to the day job until then.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Anyway, I think we'll have to agree to disagree as I don't think any of us are going to change our opinions and all that matters is that she's OK and back in the house. I'm going to move to the live feed thread now....

[Josy]

Josy, when you've actually had a fit come and argue about how real they are and what they look like. Stick to the day job until then.

Lol you know nothing about me to hit out with something like that Hannah and if you aren't capable of having a discussion without getting rude or personal then why bother....

I have plenty of experience with fits and what they look like.

[hannah.]

Well sorry but tonight I've been made to feel like whatever the **** it is I have doesn't exist because it's not on the NHS direct website... I never said that Janice wasn't playing it up (she had to agree for them to show it either way) but for everyone to be quoting **** from 'proper medical sources' effectively saying that I don't exist in such a dismissive way is a bit of a ****ter, really.

And I've not got personal at any point so don't try that.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

And I've not got personal at any point so don't try that.

Oh right, because calling someone with a different opinion a "jumped up prick" isn't getting personal?

[Josy]

Well sorry but tonight I've been made to feel like whatever the **** it is I have doesn't exist because it's not on the NHS direct website... I never said that Janice wasn't playing it up (she had to agree for them to show it either way) but for everyone to be quoting **** from 'proper medical sources' effectively saying that I don't exist in such a dismissive way is a bit of a ****ter, really.
And I've not got personal at any point so don't try that.

I have no idea what your even talking about with the bolded bits 'saying that you don't exist' that doesn't even make sense? I also haven't quoted anything from any websites tonight so **** knows why you decided to try hitting out at me.

Like I said above I have plenty of personal experience especially of fits caused by dehydration and hyperglycemia brought on by an eating disorder and then also epileptic fits of another family member so know exactly what fits looks like I don't need to visit any medical websites to post about it.

But not even taking that into account I still think Janice's fit was completely fake as hell.

[hannah.]

It's not all about you. At what point did I say 'you made me feel like...'?

[hannah.]

Oh right, because calling someone with a different opinion a "jumped up prick" isn't getting personal?

That was nothing to do with your opinion, more the way you were delivering it.

[Josy]

It's not all about you. At what point did I say 'you made me feel like...'?

Its certainly about me when I'm replying to you posting my name and trying to tell me what I can and can't post about. Maybe you should read that statement you just posted and apply it to yourself.

I'm done with this discussion, I stand by my previous posts that Janice's fit was fake as ****.

[hannah.]

Again, replied to you but didn't mention you specifically. Self obsessed, much.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Well sorry but tonight I've been made to feel like whatever the **** it is I have doesn't exist because it's not on the NHS direct website... I never said that Janice wasn't playing it up (she had to agree for them to show it either way) but for everyone to be quoting **** from 'proper medical sources' effectively saying that I don't exist in such a dismissive way is a bit of a ****ter, really.

And I've not got personal at any point so don't try that.

How dare you accuse me of making you feel like that? My point was simply that anaphylaxis- what Janice was suffering with in tonight's episode- does not lead to a seizure. Your experience(s) was brought on,as you say, by a panic attack. They happened under completely different circumstances. We're talking about someone who is known to be very OTT and dramatic, and who I believe would exaggerate the situation in order to get more airtime/sway public opinion.

[hannah.]

I'm loving everyone thinking I'm only speaking about them when I've not named anyone.... IT ISN'T ALL ABOUT YOU

[AProducer'sWetDream]

I'm loving everyone thinking I'm only speaking about them when I've not named anyone.... IT ISN'T ALL ABOUT YOU

:joker: Who are you talking about then if not me or Josy? I'm the only one to link to an NHS website so I think it's natural to assume you were talking about me.

[chuff me dizzy]

It was hilarious !! no way she was having a fit, watch it again ,see how she lowered herself onto the floor,she carefully went onto her knees before she went to the floor, IF she was having a genuine fit she wouldn't have had the control to do that

[Beso]

It was hilarious !! no way she was having a fit, watch it again ,see how she lowered herself onto the floor,she carefully went onto her knees before she went to the floor, IF she was having a genuine fit she wouldn't have had the control to do that

Chuff you,re wasting your breath..i said this but it got swept under tbe carpet:joker:

[Niamh.]

I'm loving everyone thinking I'm only speaking about them when I've not named anyone.... IT ISN'T ALL ABOUT YOU

Hannah, to be honest you seem to be the only person making this all about yourself. This is about Janice and what we saw of her in the Diary Room but you've actually decided to diagnose her yourself and then claim that everyone is insulting you by not believing your diagnosis of what happened to Janice.

I understand that what you personally have gone through must be tough but really that and what we saw of Janice last night are not connected in anyway

[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff you,re wasting your breath..i said this but it got swept under tbe carpet:joker:

You cannot believe that ANYONE was taken in by it I have lost faith in human nature :notimpressed:

[dyfed]

You cannot believe that ANYONE was taken in by it I have lost faith in human nature :notimpressed:

I agree,how could anyone be so gullible is beyond me,she realised with the spitting episode she crossed the line,this was her way of trying to get some sympathy👹

[chuff me dizzy]

I agree,how could anyone be so gullible is beyond me,she realised with the spitting episode she crossed the line,this was her way of trying to get some sympathy👹

And came back from the hospital with make up and her hair sorted and a totally new attitude, she's a born again Janice

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Josy, when you've actually had a fit come and argue about how real they are and what they look like. Stick to the day job until then.

I have Epilepsy and im saying I think she dramatized it for sympathy for her actions the day before and getting warning.

Yes it was a coincidence she got stung but she then went on to act up when BB asked if her throat was closing.

That was a Gillian Mckeith moment im afraid.

[dyfed]

And came back from the hospital with make up and her hair sorted and a totally new attitude, she's a born again Janice
Anyone I have known had a seizure don't normally bounce back and ready to party make up and all ... What a diva..even Emma rolled her eyes when she said Janice was alright ..
I felt sorry for the poor medic ,

[Kizzy]

She came back with a script is all, Janice 'appears' to be sorted for vits.

[dyfed]

I'm loving everyone thinking I'm only speaking about them when I've not named anyone.... IT ISN'T ALL ABOUT YOU

Hannah with respect , you need to calm down and not take it so personally ,we all have different opinions that's what makes this forum interesting,sending only good thoughts your way

[OZBB]

As fake as her face!!!