USA : Transgender student,17 who upset some students by using the girls' bathrooms

[arista]

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Protests: Some 200 students walked
out of class because of Lila Perry, 17,
a transgender student who upset
some students by using the girls' bathrooms]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3219186/Almost-200-Missouri-students-walk-class-protest-transgender-high-school-senior-allowed-use-girls-bathroom.html#ixzz3kZkZ3Bd3

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Yes Fella its not normal
Now its On FoxNewsHD and CNN USA

[MTVN]

They should get over it

[armand.kay]

lol why is it such a big deal what is even the point of separate toilets.

[Kizzy]

The point is you don't have males in female toilets and visa versa :conf:

[arista]

They should get over it


No its Not the Way of his Lord



Sign Of The Times

[arista]

The point is you don't have males in female toilets and visa versa :conf:


Yes

But this Person goes in the Girls bog

[Liam-]

I think until they have the actual transition, transgender students should be allowed access to staff toilets, that would stop the uncomfortable feelings for everyone and said student wouldn't have the worry of deciding which bathroom to use, win win.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/02/04/2BE2D08600000578-0-image-a-48_1441165908568.jpg
['I'm not a pervert': Perry, who is
biologically male, has insisted
she means no harm in using
the bathrooms, but wants her
gender identity to be recognized]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3219186/Almost-200-Missouri-students-walk-class-protest-transgender-high-school-senior-allowed-use-girls-bathroom.html#ixzz3kZt10cCc

[Kizzy]

'The Caitlyn effect'

What even is that? it's the worst way of transitioning, no emotional or family therapy just loads of surgery and a big 'reveal' to your stunned children?....pffft.

'One student, Sophie Beel, told local station Fox 2 St Louis: 'I find it offensive because Lila has not went through any procedure to become female, putting on a dress and putting on a wig is not transgender to me'.

Maybe the full transition would be a long time to wait however I do think that for her, family and school things are expected due to this 'Caitlyn effect' that things move quicker than they should.

Maybe the lads in a few months when they're used to seeing Perry around school will say they don't want a girl in their toilets?

[Niamh.]

Girls bathrooms are just a row of cubicles, I don't see why they're making such s big deal of it tbh

[Pete.]

Ja'mie continues to change lives

[armand.kay]

bye.

[kirklancaster]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/02/04/2BE2D08600000578-0-image-a-48_1441165908568.jpg
['I'm not a pervert': Perry, who is
biologically male, has insisted
she means no harm in using
the bathrooms, but wants her
gender identity to be recognized]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3219186/Almost-200-Missouri-students-walk-class-protest-transgender-high-school-senior-allowed-use-girls-bathroom.html#ixzz3kZt10cCc


He's so thin I'm surprised anyone noticed him.

[kirklancaster]

Girls bathrooms are just a row of cubicles, I don't see why they're making such s big deal of it tbh

Oh.... I never thought of that. Yeah then, why the fuss?

[Pete.]

He's so thin I'm surprised anyone noticed him.
'he' :umm2:

[Ninastar]

I think until they have the actual transition, transgender students should be allowed access to staff toilets, that would stop the uncomfortable feelings for everyone and said student wouldn't have the worry of deciding which bathroom to use, win win.

I agree with you once again. One day we shall rule the world together.

[arista]

He's so thin I'm surprised anyone noticed him.


Yes he is thin

[Jack_]

Yes Fella its not normal

He's so thin I'm surprised anyone noticed him.

:bored:

lol why is it such a big deal what is even the point of separate toilets.

Indeed. I've thought this for a while, be rid of disgusting urinals (or keep them if people want idc) and have a unisex toilet full of cubicles. We are all human and all need to piss and ****, dividing people by gender is problematic and usually pointless, especially when it comes to where you go to the toilet.

As for the age old transition argument, this myth that transgenderism is only concerned with the physical change to a person is one that needs to be dispelled. Not every trans person wishes to have sex reassignment surgery (SRA) and more to the point, they shouldn't be forced to either. A person's genitalia is completely irrelevant and the business of nobody else unless you're going to sleep with them. Your outward identity and the way that you dress, act and perform to other people, i.e. your gender, is what is important to trans people. SRA is only a small part of that to a lot of people and it's actually quite offensive to suggest that you almost aren't trans unless you transition. Not every trans person wishes to have a major operation on one of the most sensitive areas of their body.

[Ninastar]

I'm sure rape victims will feel the need for seperate gendered toilets. If you're not comfortable pissing with people of the opposite gender in the room, it's not a crime.

[Liam-]

The idea of forcing students to share a unisex bathroom is actually ridiculous, yes we're all human, but not everyone would be comfortable with that at all, sex in school is a big enough problem enough as it is without making sexes share a communal bathroom :laugh:

It's all about making kids comfortable, if the girls don't want someone who is still biologically a male using their bathroom then they shouldn't be allowed to, I'm all for making people who are going through personal things comfortable, but not at the expense of other people, there are normally separate disabled toilets around schools, let her use those if she doesn't feel comfortable going into the guys bathroom.

[Liam-]

I agree with you once again. One day we shall rule the world together.

What a world that would be :love:

[Ninastar]

The idea of forcing students to share a unisex bathroom is actually ridiculous, yes we're all human, but not everyone would be comfortable with that at all, sex in school is a big enough problem enough as it is without making sexes share a communal bathroom :laugh:

It's all about making kids comfortable, if the girls don't want someone who is still biologically a male using their bathroom then they shouldn't be allowed to, I'm all for making people who are going through personal things comfortable, but not at the expense of other people, there are normally separate disabled toilets around schools, let her use those if she doesn't feel comfortable going into the guys bathroom.

Preach preach preach ****ing preach

[arista]

:bored:



Indeed. I've thought this for a while, be rid of disgusting urinals (or keep them if people want idc) and have a unisex toilet full of cubicles. We are all human and all need to piss and ****, dividing people by gender is problematic and usually pointless, especially when it comes to where you go to the toilet.

As for the age old transition argument, this myth that transgenderism is only concerned with the physical change to a person is one that needs to be dispelled. Not every trans person wishes to have sex reassignment surgery (SRA) and more to the point, they shouldn't be forced to either. A person's genitalia is completely irrelevant and the business of nobody else unless you're going to sleep with them. Your outward identity and the way that you dress, act and perform to other people, i.e. your gender, is what is important to trans people. SRA is only a small part of that to a lot of people and it's actually quite offensive to suggest that you almost aren't trans unless you transition. Not every trans person wishes to have a major operation on one of the most sensitive areas of their body.


No Jack


Never happen

[Ashley.]

Hate people who constantly go "oh it's not what god would've wanted", "it's not normal". If god was the creator of all things, then he created the ability for a man to become a woman.

You'll die in discontent if you live life according to society.

[LukeB]

I don't know why it's a massive deal tbh, she is a female now and should be able to use a female bathroom. I mean it's no harm!

[Jack_]

I'm sure rape victims will feel the need for seperate gendered toilets. If you're not comfortable pissing with people of the opposite gender in the room, it's not a crime.

Here's the thing though, this girl is not of the opposite gender. She is of the same gender. No problem.

As for rape victims, if someone had been raped by a member of the opposite sex in a toilet, then I'd go so far as to say it's a damn sight safer to have many more people in the same toilet to prevent and restrain things like that from happening. If someone wants to enter an opposite gender toilet to rape someone, they will. If everyone's going to the same toilet it makes it a hell of a lot more difficult.

Oh and of course, same sex rape is also a thing.

The idea of forcing students to share a unisex bathroom is actually ridiculous, yes we're all human, but not everyone would be comfortable with that at all, sex in school is a big enough problem enough as it is without making sexes share a communal bathroom :laugh:

It's all about making kids comfortable, if the girls don't want someone who is still biologically a male using their bathroom then they shouldn't be allowed to, I'm all for making people who are going through personal things comfortable, but not at the expense of other people, there are normally separate disabled toilets around schools, let her use those if she doesn't feel comfortable going into the guys bathroom.

The only reason people aren't comfortable with it right now is because it's unusual because that's how everyone is socialised, to use separate toilets. Doesn't mean that's the way it has to be and just as people were conditioned into thinking that way, over time they could easily be turned the other way by creating more unisex toilets. Perhaps creating three toilets in public places to start with would be a good idea so if people don't care about sharing they can use the unisex one.

Sex in school is a separate issue but the people I know who did it in school did not choose a toilet, believe me :laugh: and for those who do having more people in one toilet means it's easier to be monitored and again more difficult to get away with

As for people pondering over a trans person's biological sex, this shouldn't be happening. You are identified outwardly to other people on gender and gender alone, the only reason someone's physiological attributes should be of any concern to someone is if you wish to sleep with them. No other reason to be thinking about it, especially in one of the most personal and private moments such as a toilet. Again, people need to stop associating trans with sex reassignment surgery because not everyone wishes to transition, nor should they nor do they need to. How do you deal with this outside of school as an adult in a public place? So long as your gender aligns with that of the gender-assigned toilet, I don't see the problem. The toilets are divided by gender not sex, so unless there's going to be genital inspections upon entry then those who match the gender of the toilet should be free to enter it.

Of course this'd all be sorted by the creation of unisex toilets with cubicles only and would have the added benefit of being more inclusive to trans people and those who do not conform to the gender binary.

[lostalex]

there should be 1 set of toilets for everyone. problem solved.

[Ammi]

Girls bathrooms are just a row of cubicles, I don't see why they're making such s big deal of it tbh

..this really, I would be fine with it personally...

[lostalex]

women get raped by women, men get raped by men. honestly i feel more safe when there are women around, so we should all be in the same environment. It's not fair for women to say they are scared of men, that is discriminatory.

why am i more of a danger just because i am a man?

we should all be together.

[kirklancaster]

As someone who has spent decades patronising 'Gay' nightclubs, I am totally used to both sexes being in the same toilets and it is no big deal to me personally, but people using toilets in nightclubs are usually pissed or stoned or both, and thus their inhibitions and sensitivities are chemically removed, girls in college though are a whole different case, and there may be females around who are embarrassed to use a WC - especially for a 'no. 2' - in front of someone they know is a 'male' -- wig and dress or otherwise.

I know more than one female who 'cough', 'crinkle' toilet paper or use other methods to 'muffle' breaking-wind noises and other embarrassing noises associated with defecating - and that is when they are in a toilet on their own.

[Moosething]

I've been to a college with unisex toilets

[Kizzy]

I guess adding a unisex toilet would be a solution in as much as Perry would have somewhere to go, it doesn't address the issue of being able to access the female loos though.

[lostalex]

everyone should have to piss in bathtubs. problem solved.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

At work we have a transgender woman, I give zero ****s which toilet she uses. She's lovely. People stare at her especially newbies but she's comfortable around the majority of people. There's still a lot of work to do. They need a separate movement to gay rights because transgenders confuse a lot of people.

What I am hating is people mocking black lives matter. Why do we have to support everyone and get scathed when we don't yet others can mock us :bawling:

[jennyjuniper]

As girls toilets usually consist of cubicles, this ensuring privacy, I can't see the problem.

[Northern Monkey]

Ooh womens rights vs trans rights this is a tough one eh?

[MTVN]

Us men are not giving up our urinals I'm afraid, no chance are we putting up with the queues that ladies toilets often see. Am I right lads?

[Northern Monkey]

Us men are not giving up our urinals I'm afraid, no chance are we putting up with the queues that ladies toilets often see. Am I right lads?

Not to mention all the women moaning about the seat being left up:laugh:

[lostalex]

Us men are not giving up our urinals I'm afraid, no chance are we putting up with the queues that ladies toilets often see. Am I right lads?

why would we have to give up urinals in a unisex bathroom?

[kirklancaster]

Us men are not giving up our urinals I'm afraid, no chance are we putting up with the queues that ladies toilets often see. Am I right lads?

:laugh: Damn right. Cubicles are for Females, No. 2's, and men who are too shy to use urinals for pissing because they think their dicks are weeny. :hehe:

[Niamh.]

Not to mention all the women moaning about the seat being left up:laugh:

You obviously no nothing about women, no decent woman sits on the toilet seat of a public toilet......hover all the way.. Am I right girls? :smug:

[billy123]

Urinals rule except for the odd weirdo that pulls his trousers and pants down to piss in one.
I dont want to be touching some poo tainted lock on the door of a cubicle.

[kirklancaster]

You obviously no nothing about women, no decent woman sits on the toilet seat of a public toilet......hover all the way.. Am I right girls? :smug:

:laugh: Or they cover ALL the toilet seat with several layers of loo roll.

[Livia]

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Yes Fella its not normal
Now its On FoxNewsHD and CNN USA

How ironic that someone is protesting about students' rights outside a place of learning and managed to use misuse the apostrophe TWICE in a three word sentence. Some kind of record, I think...

I have no problem with transgender people using a female toilet. I can't understand their objection.

[kirklancaster]

How ironic that someone is protesting about students' rights outside a place of learning and managed to use misuse the apostrophe TWICE in a three word sentence. Some kind of record, I think...

I have no problem with transgender people using a female toilet. I can't understand their objection.

:laugh: I missed that.

[lostalex]

How ironic that someone is protesting about students' rights outside a place of learning and managed to use misuse the apostrophe TWICE in a three word sentence. Some kind of record, I think...

I have no problem with transgender people using a female toilet. I can't understand their objection.

I think only the second apostrophe is wrong. The first one is a possessive apostrophe, which is being used correctly. the rights that belong to girls, so they are girl's rights.

[Macie Lightfoot]

girl's talks about a single girl. If he's talking about all the girls in the school as a collective, it would be girls'.

[Mitchell]

Stuff like this really angers me, I'm fully on her side rather than the bigoted idiots.

[Mitchell]

Us men are not giving up our urinals I'm afraid, no chance are we putting up with the queues that ladies toilets often see. Am I right lads?

I was in a McDonalds in April when I experienced a unisex bathroom, the men's on one side, women on the other with the unisex sinks in the middle, it was really odd, however I guess it would get easier next time I'd use it?

Although I always choose a cubicle over a urinal, I don't like the 'lads standing at a urinal' experience

[Ammi]

..I guess that I just don't understand the objections really..if some are upset by Perry using the female loos then they can't be seeing her as a female and she is a female...but that mind-set may stay with them when in their working world, there is often only one loo for male and female use anyway...female loos are all cubicles anyway so very private...ok, maybe she could use a disabled loo or something but that's like saying...'we don't know where to put you/you're a bit of a dilemma and an oddity..'..so really an awful solution...

[user104658]

I think only the second apostrophe is wrong. The first one is a possessive apostrophe, which is being used correctly. the rights that belong to girls, so they are girl's rights.
*bbbzzzrrtttt* incorrect, it's a possessive plural, therefore it should read:

girls'

i.e the rights of all girls. "Girl's rights" would be the rights of one, singular girl.

Unless, of course, the sign is being ghetto and is just talking about that one transgendered girl, like; "Hey, Girl's rights matter brah!". But I don't think that's likely to be the case...

Back to school with you Alex! Don't you know that the Internet is full of grammar Nazis? Can't stand them, myself...

[Ammi]

*bbbzzzrrtttt* incorrect, it's a possessive plural, therefore it should read:

girls'

i.e the rights of all girls. "Girl's rights" would be the rights of one, singular girl.

Unless, of course, the sign is being ghetto and is just talking about that one transgendered girl, like; "Hey, Girl's rights matter brah!". But I don't think that's likely to be the case...

Back to school with you Alex! Don't you know that the Internet is full of grammar Nazis? Can't stand them, myself...



...scrutinises this post for a grammar error...

[user104658]

...scrutinises this post for a grammar error...
I wavered over using a semicolon after "incorrect". I fear I made the wrong decision. It looks suspicious. You'll have to put me on Yellow, Ammi. (You now use the "traffic light" system.)

[Ammi]

I wavered over using a semicolon after "incorrect". I fear I made the wrong decision. It looks suspicious. You'll have to put me on Yellow, Ammi. (You now use the "traffic light" system.)

...actually I might move you straight to red and 10 minutes less posting time today just because I'm in a bit of a mood today...

[Ammi]

...you can just sit there and watch the other members posting nicely with their grammar...

[user104658]

...you can just sit there and watch the other members posting nicely with their grammar...
The punishment should be that I have to spend 10 minutes in "Chat and Games", so that I might understand just how slippery the slope of bad grammar can be. :hehe:

[Ammi]

The punishment should be that I have to spend 10 minutes in "Chat and Games", so that I might understand just how slippery the slope of bad grammar can be. :hehe:

...don't knock it until you try it, we have to have nice fun things as well TS...I can see your traffic light chart is going to be several pages even by October half term...

[lostalex]

*bbbzzzrrtttt* incorrect, it's a possessive plural, therefore it should read:

girls'

i.e the rights of all girls. "Girl's rights" would be the rights of one, singular girl.

Unless, of course, the sign is being ghetto and is just talking about that one transgendered girl, like; "Hey, Girl's rights matter brah!". But I don't think that's likely to be the case...

Back to school with you Alex! Don't you know that the Internet is full of grammar Nazis? Can't stand them, myself...

I stand corrected. English is much harder than math.

[Kizzy]

'I have no problem with transgender people using a female toilet. I can't understand their objection.'

Right now let's rip these sentences apart, comma.