The PM just confirmed 20,000 Refugees are being taken Direct from UN Base for the UK

[arista]

Real Refugees

Over the next 5 years


Well Done PM

http://news.sky.com/story/1548298/britain-will-take-20000-refugees-cameron

[joeysteele]

Took him long enough to be shamed into doing this, without the criticism, I doubt he would have.

Better late than never but the criticism of his rhetoric and lack of real action more rapidly remain for me.

He now needs to be looking even more long term and making sure he carries on 'really' helping more too.

[arista]

What is Good
these are the Legal Refugees
from UN bases outside of Syria

Not from Criminal / Profit First/Murdering - Smugglers.

[smudgie]

Good for him.
Sounds like a realistic number to manage for now.

[Livia]

Yes, sounds realistic. Good for him, and in the face of the usual outrageous criticism from the left. Genuine refugees and humanitarian aid have always been a deserving causes in my eyes and our record confirms we're both generous and timely with our aid.

[MTVN]

It's a sensible starting point where we can see how we manage with this increase and be assured that they are genuine refugees. It's true that he has dithered over this and we might not have done anything were it not for the picture of that dead boy on the beach but then it wouldn't be the first time that one powerful image has provoked a change in policy.

[the truth]

good news, the frogs are taking 24,000 too....be interesting to see how many the rest of Europe takes, Russia the heroes of the far left as usual do nothing

[Glenn.]

'the frogs' welp

[Mitchell]

What's Bobby Davro doing leaving the house?

[MB.]

That's 12 whole refugees per day.

[arista]

What's Bobby Davro doing leaving the house?


Off Topic

[Mitchell]

Off Topic

He's prime minister in my mind.

Good on Cameron tho

[Kizzy]

Shamed into taking refugees, and none that have already fled to Europe as the drone strikes continue maybe dave is hoping there won't be that many left so he won't be held to the 20,000 over the next 4 and a bit yrs?...

[MB.]

Oh, and he's deporting them all when they're 18.

640930166810800128

[arista]

He's prime minister in my mind.

Good on Cameron tho


This is not worthy
of a Serious Debate

[Kizzy]

Paddy Ashdown ✔ @paddyashdown
Minister in the Lords just confirmed refugee orphans and children brought in under Cameron's scheme will be deported at age 18.


:/

[arista]

Paddy Ashdown ✔ @paddyashdown
Minister in the Lords just confirmed refugee orphans and children brought in under Cameron's scheme will be deported at age 18.


:/


Not all of them

[Kizzy]

How many then and where are they going?

[arista]

How many then and where are they going?


It has not started yet.
Next week the Home Secretary
is Live in Parliament - Watch Her


Well Done to The PM for taking 20,000
from UN -Bases.

Not from the hands of Criminal Money Making /
Evil Murdering/ Profit First Smugglers

[Cal.]

...So he's taking 20,000 refugee children, bringing them to the UK and then deporting them again once they're 18?

[arista]

...So he's taking 20,000 refugee children, bringing them to the UK and then deporting them again once they're 18?



No
its Familys


And thats the word of a Bitter LibDem who twitted
making claims - although he does not have all the facts
as they are not fully out

[MB.]

You don't have all the facts either, Arista, but I'd rather take the word of person in the House of Lords on this one.

[arista]

You don't have all the facts either, Arista, but I'd rather take the word of person in the House of Lords on this one.


Have his Word


But he is just trying to make trouble.

We all find out in Full Next Week

[Ammi]

..I can't see anything reported on the '18yrs old' thing...so far what he's said I believe is...'They can stay for five years, have the right to work and access public funds. After five years they can apply to settle in the UK.' ...the funding laid out is more a 5yr plan thing from the overseas aid budget/a settling time.. and after that time, the government will consider, in co-operation with local councils, how it will be financed further...

[Jamesy]

20,000 is pretty reasonable considering the PM has pretty much ignored this for weeks on end. At least he's showing that the UK is doing something.

[JoshBB]

Russia the heroes of the far left as usual do nothing

I don't think they would be considered heroes of the far left at all.. they couldn't be more opposite. Putin is far-right and extremist.

[Tom4784]

Oh, and he's deporting them all when they're 18.

640930166810800128

Oh David Cameron, you were so close to acting like a real human being and not a walking talking sack of sentient dog****.

[empire]

britain should look after its own, rather than outsiders, how many brits are homeless, and others that are on foodbanks, same time we throw out are elderly, from there homes, and are forced into nursing homes, it shows how the liberals will treat the british people, and give refugees special treatment, left wing parties in europe must stop pandering too outsiders, and put the people who voted for them first, hungry wants to put its people first, and now austria wants too, we should follow example, if europe was in a civil war right now, and we took boats to the middle east, do you think that they would accept us, No, and I wouldn't blame them either, would the arabs accept millions of christians, in there world, bulding churches, eating pork, and at worse, cause an uprising, merkel has scored her own goal in saying that every refugee is welcome to germany, and she will give birth too right wing power in germany, that will grow very strong in a few years time,

[Northern Monkey]

What is Good
these are the Legal Refugees
from UN bases outside of Syria

Not from Criminal / Profit First/Murdering - Smugglers.

Could'nt agree more.These are the people we should be taking in.The real refugees.

[arista]

Oh David Cameron, you were so close to acting like a real human being and not a walking talking sack of sentient dog****.



No they will have to apply
when they get older.
So not all deported many years later


Ref: BBC Breakfast

[kirklancaster]

We despicable, evil British can do nothing but wrong. It is time, alas, for us all to don hair-shirts and flagellate ourselves continuously, but only after we give up every possession that we have worked hard for and made sacrifices in our lives to obtain.

What Cameron is doing is humane, commendable and sensible, and to be applauded.

[Livia]

We despicable, evil British can do nothing but wrong. It is time, alas, for us all to don hair-shirts and flagellate ourselves continuously, but only after we give up every possession that we have worked hard for and made sacrifices in our lives to obtain.

What Cameron is doing is humane, commendable and sensible, and to be applauded.

What irks me most is that we've done a lot... we're doing a lot... we've given a lot... and yet there's a small but very LOUD section of British people who want to tell us all how horrible we all are. Beats me why they don't take themselves off to a more loving, giving country of which they can be proud.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think any refugees we accept should be un-religionified over a 1 month period explaining to them why gods dont exist and explaining some basic science to them and astronomy

The last thing we need here is more thick twits worshipping gods. Really target the children to stop the parents just repeating the lies they were told

:umm2:

[Livia]

I think any refugees we accept should be un-religionified over a 1 month period explaining to them why gods dont exist and explaining some basic science to them and astronomy

The last thing we need here is more thick twits worshipping gods. Really target the children to stop the parents just repeating the lies they were told

:umm2:

Shut your pie hole LT... you bloody heathen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Shut your pie hole LT... you bloody heathen.

I will book a space for you

:hee:

[Livia]

I will book a space for you

:hee:

I've already got one for you... a soft spot.


Cley Marshes.

Love ya really

[jennyjuniper]

good news, the frogs are taking 24,000 too....be interesting to see how many the rest of Europe takes, Russia the heroes of the far left as usual do nothing

What about the rich arab nations. Surely they would wish to help fellow muslims in need? It seems the only muslim who wants to help is the Egyptian Billionaire.

[Kizzy]

What about the rich arab nations. Surely they would wish to help fellow muslims in need? It seems the only muslim who wants to help is the Egyptian Billionaire.

I can think of worse people :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Well I am one who is disgusted still at this govts response to this problem.

People who care about decency and I actually consider I do that, I would hate myself if I didn't in fact.
They and I have as much right to say how disillusioned I am and ashamed of the govts and some of my British fellow citizens cold and hardline attitude to these desperate people in turmoil and crisis.

Whether that means because I don't just follow like sheep a hardline uncaring govt and totally useless PMs inaction on this issue and therefore should go to another Country.
Well hey,that thought is indeed very appealing at this time for sure for me.

However,it is in the main, that loud minority,'IF' there is proof it is only a minority, that have in fact helped shame this PM into actually doing more that is more practical and right as to this crisis.

The measures he has announced are indeed welcome but to get applause from me he will need to soften his tone and do far more than this as ongoing into the far future.

[kirklancaster]

What irks me most is that we've done a lot... we're doing a lot... we've given a lot... and yet there's a small but very LOUD section of British people who want to tell us all how horrible we all are. Beats me why they don't take themselves off to a more loving, giving country of which they can be proud.

:worship: I'll pay their fecking fare.

[Livia]

Well I am one who is disgusted still at this govts response to this problem.

People who care about decency and I actually consider I do that, I would hate myself if I didn't in fact.
They and I have as much right to say how disillusioned I am and ashamed of the govts and some of my British fellow citizens cold and hardline attitude to these desperate people in turmoil and crisis.

Whether that means because I don't just follow like sheep a hardline uncaring govt and totally useless PMs inaction on this issue and therefore should go to another Country.
Well hey,that thought is indeed very appealing at this time for sure for me.

However,it is in the main, that loud minority,'IF' there is proof it is only a minority, that have in fact helped shame this PM into actually doing more that is more practical and right as to this crisis.

The measures he has announced are indeed welcome but to get applause from me he will need to soften his tone and do far more than this as ongoing into the far future.

I consider myself to care about decency, joey. Also, I don't consider myself to be a "sheep". But with everything that's being done just isn't enough for some people. And really, if this is such a stinker of a country, why would you want to be associated with it? Personally, whatever government is in power, I believe the British people will do the right thing, which is endorsed by the sheer amount of cash that people have given, of their own free will, to aid people fleeing conflict. It would be nice, just once, to hear something positive about Britain instead of the same boring anti-government rhetoric.

[Kizzy]

What irks me most is that we've done a lot... we're doing a lot... we've given a lot... and yet there's a small but very LOUD section of British people who want to tell us all how horrible we all are. Beats me why they don't take themselves off to a more loving, giving country of which they can be proud.

So everyone should just be the mumbling grumbling majority who believe through pure ignorance that the powers that be are doing a great job and if you don't like it you should just push off?.... How shocking that is to hear as a native of this country lots of noisy people have always wanted to help those in need there was a very good quote in relation to this it really put things in perspective.

'The House this evening has shown a wonderful unanimity of sentiment and feeling, which must gladden the hearts of members in all parts of the House. Within the framework of a feeling of common humanity and a common standard of civilisation members in all parts of the House have filled in a picture which shows the House of Commons at its very best. We are at the turning of roads.. We could never set our hands to a better thing. Tomorrow may be a hard day for us but I feel that by doing the things that are morally right we shall achieve something which is worthy of the name of the British nation.'

[Livia]

So everyone should just be the mumbling grumbling majority who believe through pure ignorance that the powers that be are doing a great job and if you don't like it you should just push off?.... How shocking that is to hear as a native of this country lots of noisy people have always wanted to help those in need there was a very good quote in relation to this it really put things in perspective.

'The House this evening has shown a wonderful unanimity of sentiment and feeling, which must gladden the hearts of members in all parts of the House. Within the framework of a feeling of common humanity and a common standard of civilisation members in all parts of the House have filled in a picture which shows the House of Commons at its very best. We are at the turning of roads.. We could never set our hands to a better thing. Tomorrow may be a hard day for us but I feel that by doing the things that are morally right we shall achieve something which is worthy of the name of the British nation.'

So you think that anyone who doesn't agree with you is ignorant. I get that from you.

Don't understand the second emboldened bit.

The last paragraph is by George Osborne, is it not? Not sure what you want to demonstrate with that.

We'll just leave it, shall we? Don't give me any more quotations Kizzy. You have continued to post to me while I've been ignoring you hoping for a reaction and now all you can do is post other people's words.

[Kizzy]

So you think that anyone who doesn't agree with you is ignorant. I get that from you.

Don't understand the second emboldened bit.

The last paragraph is by George Osborne, is it not? Not sure what you want to demonstrate with that.

We'll just leave it, shall we? Don't give me any more quotations Kizzy. You have continued to post to me while I've been ignoring you hoping for a reaction and now all you can do is post other people's words.

No, I said ignorance in as much that we are unaware of what is being done covertly by the govt on our behalf.... not that anyones opinion is ignorant.

I mean that many natives do want to aid those in need, myself included.

No it wasn't Osborne it was David Grenfell, a Labour MP, said at the end of the debate about taking Jewish refugees in 1938 it was quoted by Yvette Cooper today.

I was joining in the discussion, if you don't want to respond don't.

[the truth]

the left these days are motivated by hate and jealousy ......they pay lip serice to being kind and caring just to look good and make the rich posh look bad.....yet as new labour proved theyre faker and even greedier than the posh toffs they hate.

[joeysteele]

I consider myself to care about decency, joey. Also, I don't consider myself to be a "sheep". But with everything that's being done just isn't enough for some people. And really, if this is such a stinker of a country, why would you want to be associated with it? Personally, whatever government is in power, I believe the British people will do the right thing, which is endorsed by the sheer amount of cash that people have given, of their own free will, to aid people fleeing conflict. It would be nice, just once, to hear something positive about Britain instead of the same boring anti-government rhetoric.

That is actually the question I am asking myself more and more,it may well be I decide to move on too,something this govt is making it more easier for me to really consider.
Not just as to this issue but on other areas of govt policy that I find abhorrent to all I totally believe in and would stand for.
That is not for this thread however.

I would hope the majority of British people as a whole will do the right thing and in the end 'demand' the right things are done in their name as to these refugees and people fleeing in terror from their original homeland.
I expect little or none of that 'right thing' without shaming them to do so however from this hardline govt that is still pathetically cowering and looking over its shoulders at the scapegoating views of refugees and immigrants being done by UKIP.

The positives about Britain for me, what made me proud to be British anyway,are fast being eroded by this present PM and govt,his terrible and procrastinated response to this refugee issue is just another highlight of the mans complete incompetence.
Even his own MPs are starting to demand more from him,these and the pressure of condemnations of his cold responses so far,are the only reasons he has now acted differently, although still way short of what he needs to be doing.
Way, way short in my view.

[Kizzy]

That is actually the question I am asking myself more and more,it may well be I decide to move on too,something this govt is making it more easier for me to really consider.
Not just as to this issue but on other areas of govt policy that I find abhorrent to all I totally believe in and would stand for.
That is not for this thread however.

I would hope the majority of British people as a whole will do the right thing and in the end 'demand' the right things are done in their name as to these refugees and people fleeing in terror from their original homeland.
I expect little or none of that 'right thing' without shaming them to do so however from this hardline govt that is still pathetically cowering and looking over its shoulders at the scapegoating views of refugees and immigrants being done by UKIP.

The positives about Britain for me, what made me proud to be British anyway,are fast being eroded by this present PM and govt,his terrible and procrastinated response to this refugee issue is just another highlight of the mans complete incompetence.
Even his own MPs are starting to demand more from him,these and the pressure of condemnations of his cold responses so far,are the only reasons he has now acted differently, although still way short of what he needs to be doing.
Way, way short in my view.

Wonderful summary of how unbritish Britain actually is, we have been torn apart so as to be easier to mould, pitted against one another and now against the 'invaders'.
Regardless of our involvement it smacks of a colonialist attitude towards the 'savages' and that's what saddens me the most.

[Kizzy]

On PMQs now.

[Livia]

That is actually the question I am asking myself more and more,it may well be I decide to move on too,something this govt is making it more easier for me to really consider.
Not just as to this issue but on other areas of govt policy that I find abhorrent to all I totally believe in and would stand for.
That is not for this thread however.

I would hope the majority of British people as a whole will do the right thing and in the end 'demand' the right things are done in their name as to these refugees and people fleeing in terror from their original homeland.
I expect little or none of that 'right thing' without shaming them to do so however from this hardline govt that is still pathetically cowering and looking over its shoulders at the scapegoating views of refugees and immigrants being done by UKIP.

The positives about Britain for me, what made me proud to be British anyway,are fast being eroded by this present PM and govt,his terrible and procrastinated response to this refugee issue is just another highlight of the mans complete incompetence.
Even his own MPs are starting to demand more from him,these and the pressure of condemnations of his cold responses so far,are the only reasons he has now acted differently, although still way short of what he needs to be doing.
Way, way short in my view.

That's some very evocative language there joey.

I can't see anyone here scapegoating genuine refugees. Should more have been done earlier? Well yes, of course. But that could be said of any country. I'm really tired of this whole "you're all horrible and cold" stance. My own family came here as refugees, genuine refugees. Were they let in with open arms? No. There was hell on in all quarters about the amount of Jews coming into the country. opposition to refugees is not something new, although some people seem to think the 30s and 40s was some magical time when Jews were let in and welcomed with open arms... it wasn't like that at all. There is far more done now for refugees than there ever was in the past.

I come from the East End, where there are more than anyone's fair share of refugees. I works for an FE college that recognised 130 languages, where those refugees were welcomed, taught English, taught a trade if they didn't have one or given academic English classes to follow their profession, all free. They were housed, given medical care and could live freely and without fear. Maybe there aren't a lot of refugees where you come from but there are a lot where I come from. Taking refugees isn't a new thing for us we've been doing it for a long time.

The thing that makes my heart sink is that some people don't recognise the good that this country does. Who was the first to land in Africa when the ebola crisis struck? The British army with field hospitals. Who is dragging refugees out of the water in the Med? The Royal Navy. Are they doing it because some people have shamed them? No.

Should we be doing more? Possibly... but we are just one of many and the UK is already the most densely populated country in Europe with a wealth of social problems including homelessness, poverty, an overstretched infrastructure... Germany have taken many more refugees than us because their birthrate has been falling year upon year.

No one here thinks genuine refugees should be turned away. Certainly not I.

[arista]

So Paddys Tweet is Wrong. Take Note DEZZY

Told you more info to come.

So children will not return when they reach 18
they will stay.

Ref : Politics Radio 5

[Kizzy]

Nobody thinks the depression was a magical era, I alluded to that yesterday to highlight that the UK was economically on it's knees and yet as a nation we wanted to help.
Could we have helped more? Yes and some families were lucky to be included in the lottery of selection, it does appear to have some similarities to the situation at the moment where tens of thousands will simply not make it regardless of their level of suffering, the weight of that fact is felt today as it was then.
Suggesting where you come from should denote your level of knowledge and or understanding of the issue is not a fair point to make to anyone least of all anyone interested or involved in politics.
There always will be organisations whose area of expertise is to take action during times of outbreak or emergency, that is separate to the issue in discussion in this thread.
Our involvement in search and rescue was reintroduced specifically due to being shamed after searches were called off last November.
Our country has areas of high conurbation but I don't believe it should be described as densely populated.

[kirklancaster]

That's some very evocative language there joey.

I can't see anyone here scapegoating genuine refugees. Should more have been done earlier? Well yes, of course. But that could be said of any country. I'm really tired of this whole "you're all horrible and cold" stance. My own family came here as refugees, genuine refugees. Were they let in with open arms? No. There was hell on in all quarters about the amount of Jews coming into the country. opposition to refugees is not something new, although some people seem to think the 30s and 40s was some magical time when Jews were let in and welcomed with open arms... it wasn't like that at all. There is far more done now for refugees than there ever was in the past.

I come from the East End, where there are more than anyone's fair share of refugees. I works for an FE college that recognised 130 languages, where those refugees were welcomed, taught English, taught a trade if they didn't have one or given academic English classes to follow their profession, all free. They were housed, given medical care and could live freely and without fear. Maybe there aren't a lot of refugees where you come from but there are a lot where I come from. Taking refugees isn't a new thing for us we've been doing it for a long time.

The thing that makes my heart sink is that some people don't recognise the good that this country does. Who was the first to land in Africa when the ebola crisis struck? The British army with field hospitals. Who is dragging refugees out of the water in the Med? The Royal Navy. Are they doing it because some people have shamed them? No.

Should we be doing more? Possibly... but we are just one of many and the UK is already the most densely populated country in Europe with a wealth of social problems including homelessness, poverty, an overstretched infrastructure... Germany have taken many more refugees than us because their birthrate has been falling year upon year.

No one here thinks genuine refugees should be turned away. Certainly not I.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: I'm sorry Liv, and do not want to be seen as obsequious just because we are friends, but I cannot help it - you post so eloquently and truthfully.

[Livia]

:clap1::clap1::clap1: I'm sorry Liv, and do not want to be seen as obsequious just because we are friends, but I cannot help it - you post so eloquently and truthfully.

Much appreciated Kirk, thanks.

[Kizzy]

'Caroline Lucas, the Green MP, asks Cameron to accept the link between arms sales and the refugee crisis.

Cameron says Britain has some of the strictest rules in the world for selling arms. People are leaving Syria because Assad is butchering his own people, and because Islamic State is running large parts of the country. Those are the problems, he says.'

The PM looked livid at this topic being brought up, it's very valid I wonder how strict these rules are.

[Livia]

If only Caroline Lucas had Google.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/sanctions-on-syria

[Kizzy]

Yes, if it were that easy you wonder why she chose to directly pose that to the PM today.... hmmm it makes you think, well it makes me think anyway.

[Livia]

Having seen the extent of their ability to govern in Brighton, I'm not at ALL surprised she asked the question.

[Kizzy]

Ah so it wasn't what was said it was who said it, who is qualified to suggest there may be a link?

[arista]

Best of all Kizzy , today
that tweet from Paddy
was wrong
as the children will not now not return when they reach 18

[Livia]

Maybe... just maybe... the sanctions are actually there! They were there under Labour, they're there under the Tories and I dare say they'll be there under whoever gets in next. And not only sanctions against Syria, but also many other war-torn countries. Look into it... don't take my word.

[Kizzy]

Why then is it being drawn attention to.. reading between the lines what could she be alluding to?

[Livia]

Are you asking me? I have no idea what goes through the head of a Green.

[kirklancaster]

WE ARE MEAN GREEN KILLING MACHINES

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4IZ0iDH3Fsxa-caIx2aCckUFsKp2WEiPvGXNWbdl343LpueX9gtRB8loo

[empire]

if europe and the uk, lets in millions of refugees, then people will say that enoch powell's river's of blood speech, was right, but with a twist, and some people are saying this right now, but that will grow even larger, if europe lets in more than they can cope, and you can't shame them, because it will not work, europe is heading for right wing rule, because the left wing are digging there own grave, and seem to live in a bubble.

[the truth]

the left just call everyone who disagree with them bigots, theyre as dangerous as the far right....we end up in the same place dictated to by crooks

[Kizzy]

WE ARE MEAN GREEN KILLING MACHINES

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4IZ0iDH3Fsxa-caIx2aCckUFsKp2WEiPvGXNWbdl343LpueX9gtRB8loo

Think you're confusing green with blue here Kirk :)

[Livia]

Yeah, all Tories are killing machines.

[Kizzy]

Yeah, all Tories are killing machines.

Only special ones have a licence to kill though LOL.

[joeysteele]

Nobody thinks the depression was a magical era, I alluded to that yesterday to highlight that the UK was economically on it's knees and yet as a nation we wanted to help.
Could we have helped more? Yes and some families were lucky to be included in the lottery of selection, it does appear to have some similarities to the situation at the moment where tens of thousands will simply not make it regardless of their level of suffering, the weight of that fact is felt today as it was then.
Suggesting where you come from should denote your level of knowledge and or understanding of the issue is not a fair point to make to anyone least of all anyone interested or involved in politics.
There always will be organisations whose area of expertise is to take action during times of outbreak or emergency, that is separate to the issue in discussion in this thread.
Our involvement in search and rescue was reintroduced specifically due to being shamed after searches were called off last November.
Our country has areas of high conurbation but I don't believe it should be described as densely populated.


More good points, I agree.
Really strong post Kizzy, well said.

[Livia]

They can't be good points and wrong points. It's one or the other.

[Kizzy]

[/B]


More good points, I agree.
Really strong post Kizzy, well said.

Thankyou very much Joey, that means a lot.

[joeysteele]

They can't be good points and wrong points. It's one or the other.

With full respect, I think they are good points and I don't actually agree they are wrong ones from Kizzy either.

[Livia]

With full respect, I think they are good points and I don't actually agree they are wrong ones from Kizzy either.

That's been made very clear, Joey.

[Kizzy]

I would like to know what I've said that's so wrong.

[the truth]

Well I am one who is disgusted still at this govts response to this problem.

People who care about decency and I actually consider I do that, I would hate myself if I didn't in fact.
They and I have as much right to say how disillusioned I am and ashamed of the govts and some of my British fellow citizens cold and hardline attitude to these desperate people in turmoil and crisis.

Whether that means because I don't just follow like sheep a hardline uncaring govt and totally useless PMs inaction on this issue and therefore should go to another Country.
Well hey,that thought is indeed very appealing at this time for sure for me.

However,it is in the main, that loud minority,'IF' there is proof it is only a minority, that have in fact helped shame this PM into actually doing more that is more practical and right as to this crisis.

The measures he has announced are indeed welcome but to get applause from me he will need to soften his tone and do far more than this as ongoing into the far future.

are you just as furious at the tens of thousands of neglected brits dying from neglect in british hospitals and care homes? 25,000 people die of undiagnosed blood clots in british hospitals each other, some people in wales wait 10 weeks for the result of scans and 18 months plus for operations? look at the Stafford abuses 1000+ died of thirst? or do you overlook at as its not a populist bandwagon ?

[joeysteele]

are you just as furious at the tens of thousands of neglected brits dying from neglect in british hospitals and care homes? 25,000 people die of undiagnosed blood clots in british hospitals each other, some people in wales wait 10 weeks for the result of scans and 18 months plus for operations? look at the Stafford abuses 1000+ died of thirst? or do you overlook at as its not a populist bandwagon ?

I get annoyed at al that goes wrong that should not and I blame the NHS and also the past govt too for the problems in some areas then and also this govt and the NHS hierarchy now for the problems occurring day after day still despite all that was learned before.

This thread is about the refugees, why do you always use almost every thread to get at the NHS.
No matter the topic of the thread.

I hate the abuse that goes on in care homes, no party in govt has done anywhere near enough to ensure the safety of loved ones in them and what is happening now in many is a disgrace too.

I hate cruelty, incompetence,injustice and political vindictiveness by govts in power with a passion and now,for me anyway, maybe not you and others,I see lots of pure spiteful and vindictiveness policy making by this govt already, since it astonishingly squeezed an overall majority for itself out of the demise of the Lib Dems only due to the affluent far South of England voters.

As to the right issue of this thread,the refugees crisis,and I'm not going to stay off topic as to it as you have tried to take the thread 'again', as in past threads.
I still say this govt has and is failing to do all the right things as to the refugees,so fearful is it of UKIP firing criticism for bringing more numbers to the UK.
That is a pathetic way to govern in a crisis and I have absolutely not a bit of faith in this PM to really ever do enough or even long term do the right thing as to the issue of these desperate people fleeing in terror too.

Had I been on here between 2005 and 2010,before the 2010 election,(I only joined in June 2010), I would have been hammering the Labour govt endlessly for its errors on the issues you raise, as much I am now hammering this rotten heartless bunch in the main of a govt.

[Niamh.]

Great Post Joey and yes Truth he's dead right stop trying to derail every thread you post in with the same topics you're constantly trying to push on everyone.

[Ammi]

..another 'child migrant photograph' that's much less sad and one that we don't see so often...a Syrian child offering her cookie to a Hungarian police officer during a 'stand off'...maybe feeling as though he was having a tough day and may be hungry..


https://s.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/WzHwLdfOQ5e2bjUt2esu5w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztxPTg1O3c9NjMw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/homerun/newsroom.news.yahoo.com.uk/decd610bd16415ada53e01a9cace788f

[kirklancaster]

..another 'child migrant photograph' that's much less sad and one that we don't see so often...a Syrian child offering her cookie to a Hungarian police officer during a 'stand off'...maybe feeling as though he was having a tough day and may be hungry..


https://s.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/WzHwLdfOQ5e2bjUt2esu5w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztxPTg1O3c9NjMw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/homerun/newsroom.news.yahoo.com.uk/decd610bd16415ada53e01a9cace788f

Lovely Ammi, and just as important; the Hungarian policeman is so obviously 'playing' with the child - the same way a father or uncle would.

[Ashley.]

Here's to hoping they don't let any ISIS members over here by mistake. :worry:

[Ammi]

Lovely Ammi, and just as important; the Hungarian policeman is so obviously 'playing' with the child - the same way a father or uncle would.

..indeed Kirk, actually that's a good point...

[Kizzy]

It good to see our media finally humanising the refugees.

[lostalex]

It good to see our media finally humanising the refugees.

what happens when those "refugees" start dehumanizing women, and jews, and gays??

what is the plan for THAT?

[Kizzy]

what happens when those "refugees" start dehumanizing women, and jews, and gays??

what is the plan for THAT?

I don't do hypotheticals...