No thread about that crane collapse?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its funny isnt it but as its in SA we dont really care so much. I am not saying that its bad but the hierarchy of death is always interesting..

[gamepodfan]

why what happened

[Crimson Dynamo]

why what happened

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34231620

[gamepodfan]

oh my
my thought are with them and there famliys

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh my
my thought are with them and there famliys


what thoughts?

[Ashley.]

Yeah I read about that... Absolutely awful... Imagine if something like that happened here in the UK? More people would probably care.... I guess that's just society.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah I read about that... Absolutely awful... Imagine if something like that happened here in the UK? More people would probably care.... I guess that's just society.

if it happened in the USA we would be on page 3 already

[gamepodfan]

what thoughts?

well they could be dead from it

[Crimson Dynamo]

well they could be dead from it


It was god that sent a thunderbolt that knocked the crane down

[Lostie!]

:shocked:

That's awful. :sad:

[Crimson Dynamo]

rather ironic that an act of "god" should wipe out 100 at Mecca

[Crimson Dynamo]

and on 9/11 date..

[Kizzy]

I did read about it yes, I didn't make a thread as what else is there to say except 'that's terrible'?
It's a tragic accident, they happen.

[Kizzy]

rather ironic that an act of "god" should wipe out 100 at Mecca

I think you're reading far too much into it.... :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

I did read about it yes, I didn't make a thread as what else is there to say except 'that's terrible'?
It's a tragic accident, they happen.

the sussex aircrash got 35 replies

[arista]

Its funny isnt it but as its in SA we dont really care so much. I am not saying that its bad but the hierarchy of death is always interesting..


Yes a Storm caused that

[user104658]

It woz only dust-faces LT, no harm done. If there were any Brits there they would all have been immigrants anyway, probably on benefits, so just means us tax payers will be shelling out less for fags and tattoos rite?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It woz only dust-faces LT, no harm done. If there were any Brits there they would all have been immigrants anyway, probably on benefits, so just means us tax payers will be shelling out less for fags and tattoos rite?

yes that is why we dont care

[Ninastar]

Jeeesus. that's awful. RIP to all those killed

[user104658]

yes that is why we dont care

It's not actually a race issue, just an empathy issue. People feel worse for people "like them" because they have "lives like theirs", therefore they can more easily imagine that it WAS them, therefore they feel worse.

If it was Americans people would be more concerned, yes, but this probably applies regardless of whether or not the injured Americans (or Brits, other Europeans, etc.) are white or not... sooo... it's cultural bias rather than racial, basically.

[Scarlett.]

I dont get why people not reacting to this is an issue, look at it this way, a car crash in your home town is going to be more important news to you than a motorway crash 400 miles away. Of course people would react more if the crane crash happened in the UK, because it's closer to home. You could just as easily ask why no one is talking about the shooting in Marseille (http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/20150913-one-killed-five-injured-marseille-shooting) or the Californian wildfires (http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/09/12/explosive-wildfire-threatens-california-mountain-towns).

[Ninastar]

I dont get why people not reacting to this is an issue, look at it this way, a car crash in your home town is going to be more important news to you than a motorway crash 400 miles away. Of course people would react more if the crane crash happened in the UK, because it's closer to home. You could just as easily ask why no one is talking about the shooting in Marseille (http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/20150913-one-killed-five-injured-marseille-shooting) or the Californian wildfires (http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/09/12/explosive-wildfire-threatens-california-mountain-towns).

I totally agree.

[Kizzy]

I like LT on his soapbox... I hope he gets on it more often, kudos to you :)

[user104658]

I like LT on his soapbox... I hope he gets on it more often, kudos to you :)
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[Ammi]

Its funny isnt it but as its in SA we dont really care so much. I am not saying that its bad but the hierarchy of death is always interesting..

.. I did see and read this story and didn't post it because I waited to see if it was posted by anyone else..and yes, tragic but it's no cultural thing or racial thing or anything else that may be implied...we cannot, none of us can..take on and absorb all tragedy, deaths and sadness in the world, otherwise emotionally..?..it would probably kill us as that's just too much ...I made a thread of the Nepal Earthquake during the election as well and when I preferred to have it kept 'non political related' in terms of aid getting through etc ..it was hardly posted in...is that because we are all cold people nd lacking of any compassion for those in other countries.../no, it's because a general election in a country is something very important to everyone who lives there...and that was the focus at the time...it's really silly to infer that 'we don't care'....

[Niamh.]

You made a thread about it :hee:


I hadb't heard about it though

[kirklancaster]

I dont get why people not reacting to this is an issue, look at it this way, a car crash in your home town is going to be more important news to you than a motorway crash 400 miles away. Of course people would react more if the crane crash happened in the UK, because it's closer to home. You could just as easily ask why no one is talking about the shooting in Marseille (http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/20150913-one-killed-five-injured-marseille-shooting) or the Californian wildfires (http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/09/12/explosive-wildfire-threatens-california-mountain-towns).

Thank Feck for someone sensible.

[user104658]

.. I did see and read this story and didn't post it because I waited to see if it was posted by anyone else..and yes, tragic but it's no cultural thing or racial thing or anything else that may be implied...we cannot, none of us can..take on and absorb all tragedy, deaths and sadness in the world, otherwise emotionally..?..it would probably kill us as that's just too much ...I made a thread of the Nepal Earthquake during the election as well and when I preferred to have it kept 'non political related' in terms of aid getting through etc ..it was hardly posted in...is that because we are all cold people nd lacking of any compassion for those in other countries.../no, it's because a general election in a country is something very important to everyone who lives there...and that was the focus at the time...it's really silly to infer that 'we don't care'....

That's the point though, we can't take on the emotional burden of empathy for the entire world - we would all go insane - and so we limit ourselves to feeling the most empathy for those who are the most like ourselves, who we can relate to, who we can think "that could have been me / my family" about.

The image of the boy on the beach suddenly triggered a huge reaction in people. People who know children have been dying in this way for months / years. Why? In my opinion, in large part because it was a very clear image of a very normal looking little boy. A boy who could be the child of anyone you know, who could have gone to nursery with your own children... Different to what they might have imagined a "little muslim" to look like, I.e. "foreign", not like us.

People can say it's a matter of distance but it isn't always. It's a fact that the public and media here, in general, makes a bigger fuss about tragedies in places like the US or Australia than they do about places geographically closer, but "more different".

[Northern Monkey]

I can only keep track of a couple of threads at a time.Plus i never read about it.

[Shaun]

There was a whole kerfuffle on Twitter/whatever else because of a bunch of dingbats saying this was karma for being on the anniversary of 9/11.

[Ammi]

That's the point though, we can't take on the emotional burden of empathy for the entire world - we would all go insane - and so we limit ourselves to feeling the most empathy for those who are the most like ourselves, who we can relate to, who we can think "that could have been me / my family" about.

The image of the boy on the beach suddenly triggered a huge reaction in people. People who know children have been dying in this way for months / years. Why? In my opinion, in large part because it was a very clear image of a very normal looking little boy. A boy who could be the child of anyone you know, who could have gone to nursery with your own children... Different to what they might have imagined a "little muslim" to look like, I.e. "foreign", not like us.

People can say it's a matter of distance but it isn't always. It's a fact that the public and media here, in general, makes a bigger fuss about tragedies in places like the US or Australia than they do about places geographically closer, but "more different".

....hmmm, it's impossible to generalise with these things though because there are often so many things with them..yes, we do 'limit', we have to limit ..it's not a conscious limiting though but we self protect by limiting and if we didn't self protect, then our instincts know that we wouldn't ever be effective to anyone...and yes relating to things ourselves is somewhere that we find our empathy from because we understand more how we would feel in a situation...but it's also 'layers' as well...those layers are made up of things in our own lives, our own personal worries etc and maybe those of friends and people we know personally as well..and then news stories and sad things going on in the world as well...there will be a point and it could be just the smallest of things really, when that 'last layer' would become too much so we have to start limiting our absorbing of the sadder things and with that also, we have to start to build layers of more positive, happier things to balance it all, to self preserve...but those more positive things are not necessarily 'happy/heart warming' news stories either...because we can also create those balances ourselves even out of the sad things we're absorbing...like, with Nepal as I mentioned..?..(which is the same with any situation..)...can we be pro-active in any way..?..yes because we can concentrate on survivor's and the aid needed by them..organise or take part in fundraising things that would provide aid..donate.../we've absorbed the tragedy in a negative layer but we're then balancing that with a positive...the same with the image of the Syrian child..the image instigated a positive because now more funding is being given to allow more refugees a new life...with this story/the crane collapsing and loss of life..we still feel the same empathy, we still relate in exactly the same way..but can we be proactive in any way..?..maybe, but it's not so easy to see how we can..people have died, people are grieving..we're pretty much helpless to that..we can't so anything for those families/friends so our focus/our natural focus concentrates more on the things in life we feel we can in someway make a difference, we concentrate and focus on the 'in control' bit and anything we can do...I never actually saw any image of that child other than to see a blanket over him because it wasn't an image I needed to see, so made no difference at all to how I felt and how I feel about the migrant crisis..many other people have probably not seen that image either..the only reality it brings and the 'triggered reaction' of importance in terms of making a difference to the migrants is that it's created more to be done...