Was he playing a game or being sincere?

[Calderyon]

When saving Janice instead of Bobby knowing that Stevi & Chloe would have done so anyway?

Definitely a game move. It´s sad that he cannot admit it at least.

[Stormy]

They are ALL playing massive games. Jenna and Austin didn't even wait for Farrah's body to get cold before having a massive game/strategy discussion and pointing fingers at James.

I'll takes Jame's game playing over theirs. Jenna and Austin are upset because they wanted James to pick Jenna so that Austin could pick Farrah and keep the Americans in. Good for James for not doing it. Why are they demanding that he should have allegiance with the Americans...so selfish.

[Liam-]

Absolutely playing a game, he knows what he's doing, he's an incredibly savvy man

[joeysteele]

I found it incredible he saved Janice. Really odd move.

[Jordan.]

I think it was kinda weak especially his excuse that it was for Chloe when she could save Janice herself but then he didn't exactly have a great option to choose from so

[Daniel.]

Sincere and I'm not liking the way Austin and Jenna are treating him for it

[Mystic Mock]

I don't like James, but if he did save Janice just to doom Farrah then that's one of the best gameplaying moves of the season, and definitely James's best moment.

[Calderyon]

They are ALL playing massive games. Jenna and Austin didn't even wait for Farrah's body to get cold before having a massive game/strategy discussion and pointing fingers at James.

I'll takes Jame's game playing over theirs. Jenna and Austin are upset because they wanted James to pick Jenna so that Austin could pick Farrah and keep the Americans in. Good for James for not doing it. Why are they demanding that he should have allegiance with the Americans...so selfish.

He could have saved Bobby if he wanted to be patriotic. He still saved an American over a Brit.

Janice isn´t a Brit, she is an American.

[Amy Jade]

Game

[Stormy]

I think it was kinda weak especially his excuse that it was for Chloe when she could save Janice herself but then he didn't exactly have a great option to choose from so

Ok, so what if James is playing the game? Aren't they all? What makes his game playing worse than anyone elses?

Jenna didn't even take a breath after eviction before she started to turn Austin into her new bitch and cause a rift between him and James.

[Cherie]

Game playing..

[FacelessME]

Game move by James.

[Calderyon]

He could have at least admitted it and i would have respected him.

[Stormy]

He could have saved Bobby if he wanted to be patriotic. He still saved an American over a Brit.

Janice isn´t a Brit, she is an American.

True but they wanted Jenna and Farrah to stay. If James had picked Jenna (which is what they were suggesting to him) then Chlovie would have picked Janice and Austin would have picked Farrah and Bobby would have gone home.

The Brits would have lost one of their own. James is not obligated to save the Americans. Much respect to James. He played his own strategy NOT theirs. Good for him!!!!!

[MB.]

I know James already has the win in the bag but based on the current live feed, they may as well end the series now

[Beso]

he can pick who the **** he wants ..i think he finds bobby irritating anyway.

[bots]

james is a serial people pleaser. He tells people what they want to hear (in this case he is talking to the tv audience). Its all a big act, there is not an ounce of sincerity in him

[Calderyon]

True but they wanted Jenna and Farrah to stay. If James had picked Farrah (which is what they were suggesting to him) then Chlovie would have picked Janice and Austin would have picked Farrah and Bobby would have gone home.

The Brits would have lost one of their own. James is not obligated to save the Americans. Much respect to James. He played his own strategy NOT theirs. Good for him!!!!!

They wouldn´t have lost one of their own, if James had saved Bobby.

James never had any intention of saving Farrah. I don´t think even Austin and Jenna expected that.

He should have saved Bobby and there wouldn´t have been a problem. The fact that he saved Janice is an odd thing and doesn´t make sense.

[Stormy]

He could have at least admitted it and i would have respected him.

LOL...too funny. James is obligated to declare..."Hey housemates, I'm playing a massive game by picking Janice" while everyone else is allowed to pretend that they're not playing any games? That's fair.

[Stormy]

They wouldn´t have lost one of their own, if James had saved Bobby.

James never had any intention of saving Farrah. I don´t think even Austin and Jenna expected that.


Sorry I misquoted. I meant to say that they wanted James to pick Jenna (I fixed my post now)....they would have had the same conversation with James if he had picked Bobby. They were accusing him of not being loyal to Jenna...which is ridiculous.

[Calderyon]

Agree to disagree, but i don´t think this conversation (at least not to that level) would have been had, if James had saved Bobby instead of Janice.

Janice saved was an odd move, if it was sincere, i like you so much -move. But it wasn´t. It was a total game move.

[Cherie]

They wouldn´t have lost one of their own, if James had saved Bobby.

James never had any intention of saving Farrah. I don´t think even Austin and Jenna expected that.

He should have saved Bobby and there wouldn´t have been a problem. The fact that he saved Janice is an odd thing and doesn´t make sense.

if James had saved Jenna, Austin would have Janice v Farrah which would have been an easier decision for him

[Stormy]

Jenna just admitted it on the live feeds. She expected James to pick her.

She would have been upset if he picked Bobby as well.

[Calderyon]

Fair enough on that part. I admit i was wrong on that part.

But still he should have picked Bobby over Janice. Picking Janice just made him really suspicious and i wouldn´t blame for people doubting him.

Total and utter points scoring attempt.

[icecakes]

So what he can pick who the hell he wants to, he should tell jenna and austin to f off

[Stormy]

So what he can pick who the hell he wants to, he should tell jenna and austin to f off

:clap1:

[armand.kay]

He just didn't want to be the one to have to save Bobby

[Vanessa]

So what he can pick who the hell he wants to, he should tell jenna and austin to f off

:clap1:

[Mystic Mock]

I don't get why Jenna thought James was gonna save her?:laugh:

But James playing the martyr on Live Feed is seriously annoying.

[Vanessa]

I don't get why Jenna thought James was gonna save her?:laugh:

But James playing the martyr on Live Feed is seriously annoying.

Since when was Jenna James best friend? :joker:

[BENDERBOY]

Total gameplayer, Austin should watch his back..........not in that way.

[Vanessa]

Total gameplayer, Austin should watch his back..........not in that way.

That sounds interesting :creep:

[Calderyon]

Added a poll.

My answer is a definite game move. Team UK should watch out.

[goldensunlight]

I'm starting to think that James' whole persona is a game on this show. I mean he's clever, he knows what to do.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm starting to think that James' whole persona is a game on this show. I mean he's clever, he knows what to do.

Well you can't forget how he turned on Austin as well by constantly nitpicking at everything that he was saying, even if it was just.

[smudgie]

Can't see how it matters.
It was a great move, got Jenna narked, since when has James and her been best mates..I missed that one.:joker:
If it was game playing then he deserves the win all the more:cheer2:

[Calderyon]

^ I just wanted him to own it, not say it´s because he likes Janice (a person who he has b*****d about repeatedly), cause i do not believe that for a second.

IMO he lost it tonight to Natasha.

[elliebrew]

Can't see how it matters.
It was a great move, got Jenna narked, since when has James and her been best mates..I missed that one.:joker:
If it was game playing then he deserves the win all the more:cheer2:

And yet some of the same posters saying 'its a game tactics are fine' were the same people having a go at Gail last week for emotionally manipulating

[jet]

I don't see how it matters whether James picked Janice or Bobby. He knew Clovie would pick Janice if he didn't, and Bobby if he did. And he was never going to save Jenna anyway. I don't think it was game play because Jenna is unlikely to reach the finals over Bobby and Janice and isn't the point of gameplay to get rid of the competition? :conf:

[smudgie]

And yet some of the same posters saying 'its a game tactics are fine' were the same people having a go at Gail last week for emotionally manipulating

Aye.
I really don't think Gail was trying to manipulate it with her tears, her tears are genuine, she cried tonight when things got a bit heated.
She really does seem to be genuinely sensitive to me.
I don't mind game players as long as it doesn't mean they are nasty to others just to win.:shrug:

[jet]

^ I just wanted him to own it, not say it´s because he likes Janice (a person who he has b*****d about repeatedly), cause i do not believe that for a second.

IMO he lost it tonight to Natasha.

Has he? I haven't seen that at all. :shrug: He said a bit about her 'speech' but so did they all....and that doesn't mean he doesn't like her..and apart from that I haven't noticed James bitching about anyone.

[Calderyon]

^ He did in the BB Royalty task with Natasha when Janice and Jenna were watching them on TV in the tower.

[jaxie]

I'm undecided though leaning towards genuine. I like James I don't care if he was being tactical or not.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Not sure what to think, but the way Jenna & Austin are treating him because he saved Janice is out of order ....IMHO , at the end of the day it was James choice who to choose not Jenna or Austin.

[camertone]

it was obviously a game move, plus. i'm sure james is using austin for his game plan. james doesn't come across sincere in everything he does. everything is so calculated. james is a savvy social game player, master tactics.

[Mick]

Interesting thread because I was surprised by his choice and the reason.It never entered my mind that it could have been tactical yet reading some of the above posts I can now see that this might have been so.

I was also surprised by the public vote as I did not expect K&C or Austin to rank amongst the top 4. I do feel the right one went. Interesting post eviction interview with Emma who normally stays neutral but to my eyes gave Farrah a pasting or attempted to.

[Mick]

Not sure what to think, but the way Jenna & Austin are treating him because he saved Janice is out of order ....IMHO , at the end of the day it was James choice who to choose not Jenna or Austin.I have not seen this yet but the former especially appears OTT RE The Americans must win so you would think she would have been pleased by James choice.Perhaps when she says Americans she really means American HER SELF.

[chuff me dizzy]

I dont care one iota what his motives are, I'm just so happy he saved Janice ,which in turn ended up getting rid of Farrah :dance::dance:

[Slevin]

of course it was a game move. it is a game though but hes fake as hell and its funny when he gets all pissy being called out on it.

[Cherie]

Interesting thread because I was surprised by his choice and the reason.It never entered my mind that it could have been tactical yet reading some of the above posts I can now see that this might have been so.

I was also surprised by the public vote as I did not expect K&C or Austin to rank amongst the top 4. I do feel the right one went. Interesting post eviction interview with Emma who normally stays neutral but to my eyes gave Farrah a pasting or attempted to.

Emma did try but it backfired on her spectacularly as Farrah clammed up. You could almost feel Emma's animosity at times.

[Cherie]

of course it was a game move. it is a game though but hes fake as hell and its funny when he gets all pissy being called out on it.

Yeah I agree his argument that he saved Janice for Chloe was ridiculous :laugh: what is Stevie?..a pot plant, don't answer that :hehe:

[Calderyon]

Just bumping this because it´s still current because of tonight highlights show.

[goldensunlight]

Austin and Jenna have worked out his game and called him out on it and he didn't like it. :clap1:

[Daniel.]

100% genuine

[lewis111]

don't really now or care, but I love a good game player don't see why everyone complains about, most of the best BB HMs ever were game players

[Ant.]

I mean we don't know how he feels or if it was a game move but at the end of the day he can vote for who he wants so Austin and Jenna need to stop complaining

[MrWong]

Good game players let the viewers in on the game playing.

Sly ****s try to hoodwink the housemates and the viewers.

[Stormy]

Good game players let the viewers in on the game playing.

Sly ****s try to hoodwink the housemates and the viewers.

Where is this rule written? It's only ok if a housemate declares, clearly, to the viewers that they are game playing? Ridiculous!

[bots]

After watching the highlights tonight, I'm not seeing how James was being a game player. He picked someone he liked which is what we would all do, no game in it.

[Ant.]

After watching the highlights tonight, I'm not seeing how James was being a game player. He picked someone he liked which is what we would all do, no game in it.

same reason austin is an attention seeker trying to persuade people to vote for him by shaving his head, we know his full intentions and he's pure evil for saving someone

[bots]

same reason austin is an attention seeker trying to persuade people to vote for him by shaving his head, we know his full intentions and he's pure evil for saving someone

lol what? I don't understand, he had to pick someone :laugh:

[Stormy]

After watching the highlights tonight, I'm not seeing how James was being a game player. He picked someone he liked which is what we would all do, no game in it.

I thought it was a game play as well...but after watching the show, it looks like he was disturbed by the way the U.S. team were isolating her and treating her with disrespect and he decided to use his pick to show his support for her.

As he said, he knew Bobby and Jenna were safe, so his choice was to prove a point to Austen and the U.S. team and to show Janice that she has support.

[MrWong]

Where is this rule written? It's only ok if a housemate declares, clearly, to the viewers that they are game playing? Ridiculous!

Where is any game playing rule written? It's my opinion.

Game players let us in on the game playing. Victor was the best at it and used the diary room to let us know. Marc was similar. Letting us in on his motives for his actions. Aaron and Dexter were a milder version.

[jet]

I thought it was a game play as well...but after watching the show, it looks like he was disturbed by the way the U.S. team were isolating her and treating her with disrespect and he decided to use his pick to show his support for her.

As he said, he knew Bobby and Jenna were safe, so his choice was to prove a point to Austen and the U.S. team and to show Janice that she has support.

I was just coming in to say the same thing....It was obvious James was fuming at the way Austin was being very rude to Janice during the 'end of the world' task in particular. I thought 'That's really why he saved Janice!' I would have done the same thing and not admitted it because of the bullying I would get from Austin and the endless interrogation from Jenna. The 2 of them are like dogs with a bone - they can't let anything go without first chewing it to shreds.

[Stormy]

Where is any game playing rule written? It's my opinion.

Game players let us in on the game playing. Victor was the best at it and used the diary room to let us know. Marc was similar. Letting us in on his motives for his actions. Aaron and Dexter were a milder version.

Fair enough. :) It just doesn't bother me. I get bothered by hypocrisy not game playing.

So far, James has acted how he's preached. Scoop was another housemate like that.

Jenna and Austin are massive hypocrites who constantly bitch about other people game playing and pretending to be nice to people...meanwhile they are the worst offenders of this.

[Phillip!]

Sincere, I gained a lot of respect for him.

[Mystic Mock]

I dont care one iota what his motives are, I'm just so happy he saved Janice ,which in turn ended up getting rid of Farrah :dance::dance:

Would you be saying the same thing if Farrah did it to James and then faked her reasons as to why she did it?

[goldensunlight]

Where is any game playing rule written? It's my opinion.

Game players let us in on the game playing. Victor was the best at it and used the diary room to let us know. Marc was similar. Letting us in on his motives for his actions. Aaron and Dexter were a milder version.
The difference is James doesn't own it and he's not a 'fun' gameplayer, he's playing it well, but it's boring to watch. All of the above you listed had an element of fun and cheekiness about them. James is just playing the 'good, fair' guy role.

same reason austin is an attention seeker trying to persuade people to vote for him by shaving his head, we know his full intentions and he's pure evil for saving someone
Because he couldn't possibly do it out of having respect for Gail? :shrug:

And he had to vote to save/evict someone, but yet again he can't do the 'right' thing by people's standards and is made out to look like the villain.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Because he couldn't possibly do it out of having respect for Gail? :shrug:

and then letting it grow back as soon as she's evicted :joker:

[goldensunlight]

and then letting it grow back as soon as she's evicted :joker:
Why would he keep getting it shaved? That wasn't the deal. He shaved it to show respect, it's literally as simple as that, nothing more nothing less.

[MrWong]

Fair enough. :) It just doesn't bother me. I get bothered by hypocrisy not game playing.

So far, James has acted how he's preached. Scoop was another housemate like that.

Jenna and Austin are massive hypocrites who constantly bitch about other people game playing and pretending to be nice to Jillpeople...meanwhile they are the worst offenders of this.

I don't think he has practised what he preaches. In a convo with Bobby to Stevie he was saying that Chloe should fend for herself and this experience would make her stronger.

Now she needs Janice' support?

He's not game playing. He's vote grabbing. In the most smarmy, insincere way.

[Beso]

The important conversation about all this was james and natalie where james told her it was to get farrah out.

Which makes sense cause if he had picked jenna, farrah and bobby would have been the last 2, leaving austin to chose between them...austin would have evicted bobby...uk v usa remember.

[joeysteele]

Game move for me.
I like James but his choice of Janice stunned me to save her, I never saw that even as a possibility from the ones who were left to choose from, in addition his reasons for in part doing it for Chloe was even more bizarre.

[the truth]

embarrassingly fake. jenna totally exposed and owned him and he kept walking off in a temper.....she then got into bed with him , shes keeping her enemies closer , shes totally seen through him now and will continue to expose him as faker than his tan and blonde teeth...she basically has his balls in her pocket now

[jet]

embarrassingly fake. jenna totally exposed and owned him and he kept walking off in a temper.....she then got into bed with him , shes keeping her enemies closer , shes totally seen through him now and will continue to expose him as faker than his tan and blonde teeth...she basically has his balls in her pocket now

How do you get that ^ out of the footage? :laugh:
Jenna went on and on about how he should have saved her because God forbid that anyone wouldn't think she is wonderful. James explained himself patiently over and over but she droned on and he had Austin chirping in on his other side as well. I would have blown up with the inquisition from those 2 but he merely got irritated and said enough is enough, that they were just going over the same ground, and got up and walked away. He handled the situation with dignity and maturity as usual.
Jenna was being a deluded twit and Austin was the one red faced with temper.
James has HER measure - he saved Janice over her, didn't he? :smug:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Why would he keep getting it shaved? That wasn't the deal. He shaved it to show respect, it's literally as simple as that, nothing more nothing less.

It just shows that a shaved head for Austin is nothing more than another trendy haircut, and in this case a convenient attempt to try to gain points with the public.

[Stormy]

How do you get that ^ out of the footage? :laugh:
Jenna went on and on about how he should have saved her because God forbid that anyone wouldn't think she is wonderful. James explained himself patiently over and over but she droned on and he had Austin chirping in on his other side as well. I would have blown up with the inquisition from those 2 but he merely got irritated and said enough is enough, that they were just going over the same ground, and got up and walked away. He handled the situation with dignity and maturity as usual.
Jenna was being a deluded twit and Austin was the one red faced with temper.
James has HER measure - he saved Janice over her, didn't he? :smug:

:clap1:

[goldensunlight]

It just shows that a shaved head for Austin is nothing more than another trendy haircut, and in this case a convenient attempt to try to gain points with the public.
It only shows what you want it to. He gave his reason for it and I have no reason to disbelieve or argue with that, people who do so are searching for alternatives to make him look ungenuine. :sleep:

[jet]

It only shows what you want it to. He gave his reason for it and I have no reason to disbelieve or argue with that, people who do so are searching for alternatives to make him look ungenuine. :sleep:

It just struck me that every word of that could also apply to James saving Janice yet I believe you think James wasn't genuine. lol

[goldensunlight]

It just struck me that every word of that could also apply to James saving Janice yet I believe you think James wasn't genuine. lol
No you're absolutely correct. It could also apply as to whether Chloe is fake, her relationship with Stevi is fake etc etc. At the end of the day people believe what they want to believe the majority of the time.

I have my reasons for believing that James is all about impressing the public though. He was very different on The Apprentice and had no clue how to be calm and collected or walk away from any type of argument. He's been playing the 'good guy' role since the start and is keeping his act up well. This just adds to his gameplay.

[Stormy]

No you're absolutely correct. It could also apply as to whether Chloe is fake, her relationship with Stevi is fake etc etc. At the end of the day people believe what they want to believe the majority of the time.

I have my reasons for believing that James is all about impressing the public though. He was very different on The Apprentice and had no clue how to be calm and collected or walk away from any type of argument. He's been playing the 'good guy' role since the start and is keeping his act up well. This just adds to his gameplay.

I can see your point. As I have never seen him on the apprentice, I don't have that bias.

However, after reading the spoilers for tonight. I think Jame's 'shadiness' is becoming clear. I don't think James ever saw Austin as a good friend...at least not in the same way that Austin took it (or we took it, for that matter)...and when Austin was attempting to make more of their relationship, James needed to nip it in the bud, and that's why he told him that they didn't really know each other.

I suspect, now, that James made the best of being stuck in the house and had fun with Austin, when he could...but he really hates Austin's 'bitchy' side....and if they were not in the house, he would have dropped him the first time he saw Austin go 'off' on someone.