James is a piece of crap who caused all of that with his betrayal

[Beetlejuice]

This guy is trying to turn his nomination of Austin into some sort of heroic act by a man of integrity.

And Austin had him pegged at the end when he asked James if he did this because Austin is his competition

[Wizard.]

Austin is that egotistical he thinks he's competition? That's so funny

[Jordan.]

The true evil of the house constantly putting down a fragile man and causing him to explode.

[Cherie]

This guy is trying to turn his nomination of Austin into some sort of heroic act by a man of integrity.

And Austin had him pegged at the end when he asked James if he did this because Austin is his competition

Absolutely :clap1:

[LukeB]

No Austin is vile and he saw him for the twat he really is

[Cherie]

Austin is that egotistical he thinks he's competition? That's so funny

Top 4 on Friday?

[Beetlejuice]

Austin is that egotistical he thinks he's competition? That's so funny

Both were in the top 4. Austin is a very close second on the BB Spy favourite poll.

James is a slimeball who tried to make out he did a difficult thing that had to be done and you've got that idiot Bobby saying it took "strength" to do that

[Daniel.]

Laughing at this

JAMES NOMINAED AUSTIN BECAUSE AUSTIN IS ACTING LIKE A ****.

[LukeB]

Top 4 on Friday?

I'm sure him being really personal and being such a **** will make him lose votes

[Wizard.]

Top 4 on Friday?

That's when he was awful but now he's vile there's no turning back.

[billy123]

Thats a bit short sighted. Austin needs to take responsibility for his own actions and having someone suck his arse would only make his behaviour worse.
James did the right thing.
Being a friend isnt just about sucking the bum its about telling mates when they are behaving like gimps as well.

[Cherie]

I'm sure him being really personal and being such a **** will make him lose votes

I was talking about last Friday in response to Riley saying he had an ego about being James's competition, the final is Thursday

[Rob!]

James has effectively dropped him in the **** though, there's no getting away from it.

Austin can be an absolute dick but he has always had James' back. James acting all high and mighty like Austin doesn't have a right to be upset at the person who he was closest to nominating him is just ridiculous. James is thinking of the final - there was no other reason on earth why he chose to save Janice.
Now, two people who deserve to make the final are going and it isn't fair tbh

[Cherie]

That's when he was awful but now he's vile there's no turning back.

I've no doubt he will be out tomorrow thanks to his good friend :idc:

[Stormy]

This guy is trying to turn his nomination of Austin into some sort of heroic act by a man of integrity.

And Austin had him pegged at the end when he asked James if he did this because Austin is his competition

Austin's behaviour is everyone elses fault.

Chlovie is fragile, so Austin is justified.
Stevie is weak, so Austin is justified.
Janice is a gameplayer, so Austin is justified.
James nominated him, so Austin is justified.

While every one else is responsible (and vilified) for their own decisions, yet for Austin, it's everyone else's fault.

Ok...great logic there. :rolleyes:

[Beetlejuice]

Laughing at this

JAMES NOMINAED AUSTIN BECAUSE AUSTIN IS ACTING LIKE A ****.

He betrayed his friend despite it being perfectly clear that Janice is the most manipulative person on this show (other than James) and she was nominated for it by the others.

Austin is an honest person who loses his rag with people who are total fakes such as Chloe and Janice. He went too far tonight but he did so because he was devastated and resentful over the betrayal of the slimeball James

[Cherie]

James has effectively dropped him in the **** though, there's no getting away from it.

Austin can be an absolute dick but he has always had James' back. James acting all high and mighty like Austin doesn't have a right to be upset at the person who he was closest to nominating him is just ridiculous. James is thinking of the final - there was no other reason on earth why he chose to save Janice.
Now, two people who deserve to make the final are going and it isn't fair tbh

:clap1:

[Daniel.]

James has effectively dropped him in the **** though, there's no getting away from it.

Austin can be an absolute dick but he has always had James' back. James acting all high and mighty like Austin doesn't have a right to be upset at the person who he was closest to nominating him is just ridiculous. James is thinking of the final - there was no other reason on earth why he chose to save Janice.
Now, two people who deserve to make the final are going and it isn't fair tbh

Why the **** should he tolerate a friend acting like a **** and putting him down?

I swear some people are ****ing mental

[poppsywoppsy]

James is right about Austin and I am glad he is British and decent.

However, the Americans have acted like appalling lowlife and gutter/pond life.

[lewis111]

James has effectively dropped him in the **** though, there's no getting away from it.

Austin can be an absolute dick but he has always had James' back. James acting all high and mighty like Austin doesn't have a right to be upset at the person who he was closest to nominating him is just ridiculous. James is thinking of the final - there was no other reason on earth why he chose to save Janice.
Now, two people who deserve to make the final are going and it isn't fair tbh

That's a lie he gave Jameso much **** for picking Janice and ganged up on him with Jenna

[LukeB]

Why should James stay friends with someone who acts really vile? I wouldn't want a friend like that tbh.. Him and Jenna always gang up on him..

[lewis111]

He betrayed his friend despite it being perfectly clear that Janice is the most manipulative person on this show (other than James) and she was nominated for it by the others.

Austin is an honest person who loses his rag with people who are total fakes such as Chloe and Janice. He went too far tonight but he did so because he was devastated and resentful over the betrayal of the slimeball James

So if you are fake that means it is ok to be screamed at, called a bad mother have your addicitions mocked called a ***** etc. yea??

[Beetlejuice]

Austin's behaviour is everyone elses fault.

No, he is responsible for his own behaviour. But the situation that gave rise to him behaving like that was James's betrayal. One of the most slimeball acts I can ever remember seeing on this show.

Chlovie is fragile, so Austin is justified.
Stevie is weak, so Austin is justified.
Janice is a gameplayer, so Austin is justified.
James nominated him, so Austin is justified.

Chloe is a fraud. Janice is a fraud and James is a fraud. All of them are nasty pieces of work, utterly out for themselves.

While every one else is responsible (and vilified) for their own decisions, yet for Austin, it's everyone else's fault.

Ok...great logic there. :rolleyes:

No one is saying he isn't responsible for what he says, and he was over the top, but he was clearly in a terrible state because of the betrayal of that odious slimeball James.

What's amazing is how people just overlook how awful James and Janice are.

[Cherie]

He betrayed his friend despite it being perfectly clear that Janice is the most manipulative person on this show (other than James) and she was nominated for it by the others.

Austin is an honest person who loses his rag with people who are total fakes such as Chloe and Janice. He went too far tonight but he did so because he was devastated and resentful over the betrayal of the slimeball James

Janice didn't nominate Austin, given their relationship that is quite telling

[lewis111]

Austin's behaviour is everyone elses fault.

Chlovie is fragile, so Austin is justified.
Stevie is weak, so Austin is justified.
Janice is a gameplayer, so Austin is justified.
James nominated him, so Austin is justified.

While every one else is responsible (and vilified) for their own decisions, yet for Austin, it's everyone else's fault.

Ok...great logic there. :rolleyes:

haha that's so true

[Stormy]

Why the **** should he tolerate a friend acting like a **** and putting him down?

I swear some people are ****ing mental

Daniel, get with the programme....NOTHING is Austin's fault. Everyone else must be judged by their actions. Austin is immune. Didn't you know that? :hehe:

[bots]

austin picks on who he perceives is the most vulnerable. He is a classic bully. I don't think James handled it as well tonight as he has previously ... but who would. If it takes someone screaming at you to shut you up, there is something wrong.

[Daniel.]

He betrayed his friend despite it being perfectly clear that Janice is the most manipulative person on this show (other than James) and she was nominated for it by the others.

Austin is an honest person who loses his rag with people who are total fakes such as Chloe and Janice. He went too far tonight but he did so because he was devastated and resentful over the betrayal of the slimeball James

No, the way I see it is that James is sick to the back teeth of Austin's constant shouting, screaming and intimidating of people and has tried to sit and talk with him about it but Austin cant take a different opinion. James also offered Austin a hig in last night's hls and to talk things through but he turned around and asked him if he still liked Janice, I mean do you really blame James for that? I think he's just seeing people for who they are really, Jenna and Austin just aren't nice people

Also him playing a game would make no sense, defending someone who has been booed and not voted top four over someone who was cheered and got top four? Pretty crap game

Also, Jenna is clearly the most manipulative with how she sneaks around and stirs **** up. Janice is just eccentric.

[Beetlejuice]

Daniel, get with the programme....NOTHING is Austin's fault. Everyone else must be judged by their actions. Austin is immune. Didn't you know that? :hehe:

Straw man arguments on there way. Anything to distract people from the arguments for what a slimeball James is.

[lewis111]

So if you are fake that means it is ok to be screamed at, called a bad mother have your addicitions mocked called a ***** etc. yea??

Still waiting for an answer tbh

[poppsywoppsy]

James has effectively dropped him in the **** though, there's no getting away from it.

Austin can be an absolute dick but he has always had James' back. James acting all high and mighty like Austin doesn't have a right to be upset at the person who he was closest to nominating him is just ridiculous. James is thinking of the final - there was no other reason on earth why he chose to save Janice.
Now, two people who deserve to make the final are going and it isn't fair tbh

James has done nothing to warrant Austin having his back. James stands alone, he doesn't need backing up, he is strong that way.

Austin is weak when confronted, shouts, blusters and then cries when he doesn't get his own way. Then thinks an apology will suffice for his degenerate behaviour.

[the-gaffer]

Really enjoyed that, James was spot on with what he did and why he did it, was he sincere? Who knows but whether he is or not hus decision for the right or wrong reasons were certainly correct ones, Austin doesn't think going hime 2 days early will really teach him anything but if he misses out in a spot in the Final because of his anger issues then maybe just maybe that will be the eye opener that he needs.

I can't say for sure whether James is genuine or not but I'm 100% sure his decision was correct regardless of what drove him to make said decision.

[joeysteele]

This guy is trying to turn his nomination of Austin into some sort of heroic act by a man of integrity.

And Austin had him pegged at the end when he asked James if he did this because Austin is his competition

I agree 100%.

I will be voting to save Austin however I fear he may well go this week now.
He does have issues ad it seems this so called friend of his slimey James,who has spent so much time with him has failed to ever really get to know Austin and also what is raging in his head as to his Brother and other issues too.

I have in my life, had many disagreements with family and friends but since I really cared about them,as James falsely claims as to Austin, I would never ever put them in a situation where it was possible for them to lose something.

James can with his smarmy way say all he likes to justify what he did as to nominating him but it was one of the worst possible acts of betrayal possible in the last few days before the final was decided,to even think of risking Austin's position in the house.

I honestly cannot bear James now and just 4 days ago, I would have liked to see either him or Austin win this series.
Austin in my view,chose a very bad and devious person to get close to and trust in the house.

[Stormy]

Straw man arguments on there way. Anything to distract people from the arguments for what a slimeball James is.

This from the King of straw man arguments. :joker:

[Dollface]

Neither of them look good after this. James is a disloyal, ball of slime. Austin is a spiteful piece of crap.

[poppsywoppsy]

I agree 100%.

I will be voting to save Austin however I fear he may well go this week now.
He does have issues ad it seems this so called friend of his slimey James,who has spent so much time with him has failed to ever really get to know Austin and also what is raging in his head as to his Brother and other issues too.

I have in my life, had many disagreements with family and friends but since I really cared about them,as James falsely claims as to Austin, I would never ever put them in a situation where it was possible for them to lose something.

James can with his smarmy way say all he likes to justify what he did as to nominating him but it was one of the worst possible acts of betrayal possible in the last few days before the final was decided,to even think of risking Austin's position in the house.

I honestly cannot bear James now and just 4 days ago, I would have liked to see either him or Austin win this series.
Austin in my view,chose a very bad and devious person to get close to and trust in the house.



Funny that, In my view Austin is a very bad and devious person and has just demonstrated that time and time again.

[Stormy]

After watching several CBB series and seeing how housemates defend and enable bad behaviour from other housemates simply because they are 'loyal' friends....it is so refreshing to see some one like James stand up for his principles and not be dragged down into the mire with a 'friend'.

He has tried, for days, to talk to Austin and he wouldn't listen...then when Jenna got up his arse, he started to accuse and attack James. James did the right thing.

[Beetlejuice]

No, the way I see it is that James is sick to the back teeth of Austin's constant shouting screaming and intimidating of people and has tried to sit and talk with him about it but Austin cant take a different opinion.

Then you say that to him. You don't nominate him whilst talking about how hard it is for you and trying to make yourself look like this great person of integrity for doing.

Did you see the ****ing idiot in the garden on the bench with the camera right on him saying what he did? Please tell me how that is not a man playing to the cameras and trying to make himself look like some martyr.


James also offered Austin a hig in last night's hls and to talk things through but he turned around and asked him if he still liked Janice, I mean do you really blame James for that? I think he's just seeing people for who they are really, Jenna and Austin just aren't nice people

What Austin is someone who sees Janice for what she is and cannot control his temper over it. Bobby sees Janice for what she is and Sherrie sees Janice for what she is. Austin is just the only one who has the balls to say it and Janice has done things to purposely get under his skin repeatedly. She's horrible and if James was a friend to Austin he would see what she's done just as Bobby and Sherrie have.


Also him playing a game would make no sense, defending someone who has been booed and not voted top four over someone who was cheered and got top four? Pretty crap game

He was cheered by the eviction audience when he saved Janice. And doing everything you can to destroy a person who was also in the top 4 with you is a very good game to play. And Austin even brought up that possibility at the end of tonight's show. Not that any of you care, because you refuse to see James for what he is. Whereas I happily admit Austin is a hothead who can be vicious at times, you carry on pretending one of the most transparently false people I've ever seen on this show is a good person.

Also, Jenna is clearly the most manipulative with how she sneaks around and stirs **** up. Janice is just eccentric.

Janice hides behind this "eccentric" persona she's created and parades from reality show to reality show. What's behind it is someone highly manipulative and totally out for herself as both Bobby and Sherrie said in their nominations of her.

As I said, I think Austin can be vicious, but James and Janice are sly, manipulative and creepy people. Unfortunately people who just want to condemn Austin refuse to even look in front of their noses when it comes to James and Janice.

[Withano]

Didn't OP make a post the other day about why Austin should win? Can't help but think that your opinion stems what you already thought instead of what you saw tonight.

[Kizzy]

James isn't a victim of domestic violence... he doesn't have to put up with bad behaviour, verbal abuse and emotional blackmail.

[Stormy]

Didn't OP make a post the other day about why Austin should win? Can't help but think that your opinion stems what you already thought instead of what you saw tonight.

:clap1:

[Beetlejuice]

This from the King of straw man arguments. :joker:

Keep avoiding the arguments... It's what Saint Slimeball James does as well, I've noticed.

[lewis111]

Why are people still saving Austin idgi

[Stormy]

Keep avoiding the arguments... It's what Saint Slimeball James does as well, I've noticed.

You have no argument...all you are doing is deflecting Austin's bad behaviour onto James.

I liked Austin at the beginning of the series....my position has changed based on his behaviour. I, unlike others, do not waste my time and energy trying to justify my favourites by deflecting onto others.

This is what you seem to be doing as you post excuse after excuse for Austin's vile behaviour. The other day it was Janice's fault, today it's all James fault.

My favourites have changed several times as the series has gone by...it's all based on what I've seen.

[BB4fan]

James is a saint unlike the Satanic Bobby Davro and the ugly Austin.

[Dollface]

Austin was my favourite until like 2 nights ago, there's just no excuse for his behaviour towards Janice.

[Josy]

Really enjoyed that, James was spot on with what he did and why he did it, was he sincere? Who knows but whether he is or not hus decision for the right or wrong reasons were certainly correct ones, Austin doesn't think going hime 2 days early will really teach him anything but if he misses out in a spot in the Final because of his anger issues then maybe just maybe that will be the eye opener that he needs.

I can't say for sure whether James is genuine or not but I'm 100% sure his decision was correct regardless of what drove him to make said decision.
Excellent post.

[goldensunlight]

This guy is trying to turn his nomination of Austin into some sort of heroic act by a man of integrity.

And Austin had him pegged at the end when he asked James if he did this because Austin is his competition
:clap1:

Austin knows his game and caught him out when he was least expecting it.

[icecakes]

James has done nothing to warrant Austin having his back. James stands alone, he doesn't need backing up, he is strong that way.

Austin is weak when confronted, shouts, blusters and then cries when he doesn't get his own way. Then thinks an apology will suffice for his degenerate behaviour.

Spot on:clap1: I used to like austin, but he's let jenna poison his mind, Idiot, he could have won

[rusticgal]

Thats a bit short sighted. Austin needs to take responsibility for his own actions and having someone suck his arse would only make his behaviour worse.
James did the right thing.
Being a friend isnt just about sucking the bum its about telling mates when they are behaving like gimps as well.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[jaxie]

This guy is trying to turn his nomination of Austin into some sort of heroic act by a man of integrity.

And Austin had him pegged at the end when he asked James if he did this because Austin is his competition
I don't think there is anything more ridiculous than saying James is to blame for Austin's actions. It was Austin who said those vile things to Janice he's responsible, no one else.

[Adam_bb]

I don't think there is anything more ridiculous than saying James is to blame for Austin's actions. It was Austin who said those vile things to Janice he's responsible, no one else.

Seconded

[Absorption]

:clap1:

Austin knows his game and caught him out when he was least expecting it.

Yeah, that worked out well, didn't it?

Let's make this simple...

James is a big-headed northern twat.

Austin is a neurotic, hysterical arsehole.

At the beginning, I knew James from 'The Apprentice' and remembered not being particularly impressed with him.

I knew nothing of Austin other than what BB told us in the first show of this series.

I quite liked Austin initially. James seemed okay too.

Now, James still seems okay. I don't especially want him to win.

Now, Austin seems to be showing the effects of zig-zagging between Farrah, Jenna, James and, yes, Janice at times. He is acting like (to use his frequently dropped word) a c u n t.

All this talk of back-stabbing is bollocks. James has just got exasperated with his friend-in-the-house acting like a knob and nominated him because Austin's too gobby to shut up and listen when he's been acting up.

Who's right? James. He's still a big-headed twat and I don't especially like him but I understand why he's acted as he has.

Anyway, this time next week Channel 5 will be showing 'Celebrity Fart-Painting' with some bloke who almost joined a boyband in 1998 vs a 20 year-old wannabe something or other.

[Mystic Mock]

I can't believe that people are throwing their support behind James tonight after backstabbing two friends/allies.

I know that people threw their morals away due to hating Perez last year, but I would've loved to have seen it change this year but sadly it hasn't.

And is it just me who's hating James scrunched up faces when his going on his self-righteous rants? It looks like needs to go for a crap.

And is it just me who thinks that when Austin and Jenna goes that it will be an all dullard final?

[Stormy]

I can't believe that people are throwing their support behind James tonight after backstabbing two friends/allies.

I know that people threw their morals away due to hating Perez last year, but I would've loved to have seen it change this year but sadly it hasn't.

And is it just me who's hating James scrunched up faces when his going on his self-righteous rants? It looks like needs to go for a crap.

And is it just me who thinks that when Austin and Jenna goes that it will be an all dullard final?

How can you say that Jenna is James friend/ally? Because she tried to get in with him over the past two days since she lost her only ally, Farrah? You expect James to forget everything except the past few days???? Really????

How fast you forget that she said nothing but nasty things about James and disrepected Austin from Day 1 until Farrah's eviction on Friday. She also took the first shot by nominating him.

Austin was also on her hit list and was nominated by her...he only came into her graces when she lost her first attack dog. Austin looks the fool for following her.

[jaxie]

I can't believe that people are throwing their support behind James tonight after backstabbing two friends/allies.

I know that people threw their morals away due to hating Perez last year, but I would've loved to have seen it change this year but sadly it hasn't.

And is it just me who's hating James scrunched up faces when his going on his self-righteous rants? It looks like needs to go for a crap.

And is it just me who thinks that when Austin and Jenna goes that it will be an all dullard final?

I can't believe people are trying to excuse and justify Austen's behaviour tonight. :shrug: And yes it's probably just you with the dullards thing.

[Mystic Mock]

How can you say that Jenna is James friend/ally? Because she tried to get in with him over the past two days since she lost her only ally, Farrah? You expect James to forget everything except the past few days???? Really????

How fast you forget that she said nothing but nasty things about James and disrepected Austin from Day 1 until Farrah's eviction on Friday. She also took the first shot by nominating him.

Austin was also on her hit list and was nominated by her...he only came into her graces when she lost her first attack dog. Austin looks the fool for following her.

It doesn't matter what Jenna's motives was, you don't nominate allies, but when he nominates his friend then I wouldn't put it past him to nominate an ally (even if it's only formed recently)

Freddie in BB10 lost the plot towards the end of his series, did you see Siavash and Marcus nominating him? No because they was alligned and they knew not to backstab each other.

And for more recent ones Jim and Dappy in CBB13 did/said some disgraceful things yet you didn't see them nominating each other because of them, the same for Helen and Ash in BB15.

And who remembers the abuse that Ashleigh in BB15 received for nominating Christopher despite being as close as Jaustin are suppose to be?

Why is it okay for James to betray a friend/ally but not Ashleigh in her series? Or Dappy when he nominated Luisa? Which btw I disagreed with all 3 choices and Dappy was my favourite in his series so I'm being fair here, why can't other people do the same?

[jet]

How can you say that Jenna is James friend/ally? Because she tried to get in with him over the past two days since she lost her only ally, Farrah? You expect James to forget everything except the past few days???? Really????

How fast you forget that she said nothing but nasty things about James and disrepected Austin from Day 1 until Farrah's eviction on Friday. She also took the first shot by nominating him.

Austin was also on her hit list and was nominated by her...he only came into her graces when she lost her first attack dog. Austin looks the fool for following her.

Spot on again! She is such a friend/ally to James that she has spent the last few days backstabbing him to Austin - and James's so called great mate Austin has been agreeing with her...

[tanussa]

the real guilty person ib this is jenna. once farrah was evicted it was jennas sole intention to split up james & austins bond/friendship. at every opportunity she winds austin up, will say negative things abt. james, well before tonites noms., she ignites his fuse & sits back & watches him blow. its her fault thst it got to this point, they were gettin along fine til friday. she the wrong un, not james, not austin

[Mystic Mock]

I can't believe people are trying to excuse and justify Austen's behaviour tonight. :shrug: And yes it's probably just you with the dullards thing.

This is my evaluation of Austin's behaviour tonight.

James - James looking calmer and more reasonable of the two, but essentially him nominating his friend in the house when Austin didn't do the same thing just does make James in the wrong, there's no getting away from that for me.

Natasha - She had no reason to get involved as he has never done anything wrong to her, plus shouting at him when he weren't shouting at her made her look desperate to steal both James and Austin's thunder, thankfully it failed.

Bobby - Bobby's just creepy, that's all I can really say there.

Janice - This is the one that bugged me with Austin tonight, I don't like it when people bring up people's parenting to use in a positive or negative light on this show to try and influence the public's feelings of said Housemate (in this case it was Janice) and I also don't that Janice really did much wrong to warrant the C-Bomb to drop off again tonight either.

And I doubt that I'll be on my own once people have to watch James, Natasha, Stevi & Chloe, Janice, Bobby, and Sherrie.:hehe:

[Beetlejuice]

I don't think there is anything more ridiculous than saying James is to blame for Austin's actions. It was Austin who said those vile things to Janice he's responsible, no one else.

Why did Austin say what he did? He did it because he felt terribly betrayed by a person who he genuinely thought was his friend and has turned out to be a cunning weasel.

Austin took it out on Janice, wrongly, but he wanted her to feel his pain, not realizing that a self absorbed cow like her doesn't feel anything. She just manipulates situations and disappears back into her own little world.

[Mystic Mock]

Spot on again! She is such a friend/ally to James that she has spent the last few days backstabbing him to Austin - and James's so called great mate Austin has been agreeing with her...

Bitching about someone is not the same as nominating them.

That really is clutching at straws if I've ever seen it.

[Beetlejuice]

Spot on again! She is such a friend/ally to James that she has spent the last few days backstabbing him to Austin - and James's so called great mate Austin has been agreeing with her...

Agreeing that he's a self serving creep who gave himself away tonight... "Why would I nominate Janice when she's done nothing to me". Sherrie managed it James. Bobby managed it as well. Both of them can see what a despicable manipulator she is. You on the other hand would rather nominate your friend because "it's the right thing to do" for all the audience to see and hopefully, if it all goes to plan, celebrate you for your moral courage and then vote for you to win.

The guy gives me the creeps.

[*mazedsalv**]

James to win! His reasons were valid.

[jet]

Bitching about someone is not the same as nominating them.

That really is clutching at straws if I've ever seen it.

Where did I say it was? (Although I don't blame James for nominating them ONE BIT!)

I was pointing out that Jenna is no great friend/ally of James as she claimed to be to him tonight as she has been trying to poison Austin against him behind his back.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I know that people threw their morals away due to hating Perez last year

I had to stop here bc I was convinced this post was satire.

[Beetlejuice]

James to win! His reasons were valid.

They were bollocks. And you have been duped and can't admit you're supporting a conman. This often happens when people have been conned.

[Mystic Mock]

Where did I say it was? (Although I don't blame James for nominating them ONE BIT!)

I was pointing out that Jenna is no great friend/ally of James as she claimed to be to him tonight as she has been trying to poison Austin against him behind his back.

So what was your stance on Ashleigh nominating Christopher? Or Dappy nominating Luisa? Until I get an answer I'm not gonna stop posting these two scenarios as I remember a much more controversial responses to these two scenarios.

Is it because they're not the stereotypical straight white male pretty boy? Or is it because it's on Austin who most people seem to strongly dislike? Or both?

[*mazedsalv**]

They were bollocks. And you have been duped and can't admit you're supporting a conman. This often happens when people have been conned.

Yeah, my bad, I've been duped. Woops :sleep:

[Mystic Mock]

I had to stop here bc I was convinced this post was satire.

Do you agree with the rest of my points?

[jet]

Agreeing that he's a self serving creep who gave himself away tonight... "Why would I nominate Janice when she's done nothing to me". Sherrie managed it James. Bobby managed it as well. Both of them can see what a despicable manipulator she is. You on the other hand would rather nominate your friend because "it's the right thing to do" for all the audience to see and hopefully, if it all goes to plan, celebrate you for your moral courage and then vote for you to win.

The guy gives me the creeps.

James would know full well that nominating Austin could just as easily go against him. There are no guarantees about how an audience will react. He did what he thought was right and he'll take the consequences with his usual dignity whatever they may be.
Austin's behaviour tonight once again was atrocious and just gives more credence as to why James nominated him in the first place.

[Beso]

This guy is trying to turn his nomination of Austin into some sort of heroic act by a man of integrity.

And Austin had him pegged at the end when he asked James if he did this because Austin is his competition

uk v usa, do you expect him to nominate a teammate!

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah, my bad, I've been duped. Woops :sleep:

Tbf I can't blame Beetlejuice for thinking that about anyone seriously siding with James on this.

I'm not saying that people have to go off James and start supporting Austin for it, but a bit of honesty that James was out of order in this particular incident would be nice.

We don't want another John James scenario again where he became untouchable whilst everyone else had to follow certain standards.

[Beetlejuice]

James would know full well that nominating Austin could just as easily go against him.

Alternatively, it could go in his favour, especially if it's made him look like this poor guy who was stuck between a rock and a hard place. He felt he had to do the "right" thing, but that would involve nominating his friend. But because of his commitment to doing the right thing, it had to be done. Oh what a man of integrity! And if you'll believe that, you'll believe anything... And he was even out there on that bench in tonight's show with the camera on him, saying this. Further proof of him playing to the audience.


There are no guarantees about how an audience will react. He did what he thought was right and he'll take the consequences with his usual dignity whatever they may be.

The consequences are him winning. So don't worry about it. Saint Slimeball hasn't just taken you in, he and his good looks have taken the majority of voters in as well.


Austin's behaviour tonight once again was atrocious and just gives more credence as to why James nominated him in the first place.

He was hurt by the betrayal by his friend and wanted the manipulative bitch that is Janice to feel some of it. A silly thing to do, but look at the state he got himself into for it... That was real remorse, and deep shame you saw in him. Compare that to Janice, who has acted every step of the way with every emotion she's ever shown. Not to mention James, who sat there cold as ice throughout it all.

[jet]

So what was your stance on Ashleigh nominating Christopher? Or Dappy nominating Luisa? Until I get an answer I'm not gonna stop posting these two scenarios as I remember a much more controversial responses to these two scenarios.

Is it because they're not the stereotypical straight white male pretty boy? Or is it because it's on Austin who most people seem to strongly dislike? Or both?

I'm the wrong one to ask about those past scenarios. I can't remember the details at all. Maybe someone else can help, sorry!

[jaxie]

Why did Austin say what he did? He did it because he felt terribly betrayed by a person who he genuinely thought was his friend and has turned out to be a cunning weasel.

Austin took it out on Janice, wrongly, but he wanted her to feel his pain, not realizing that a self absorbed cow like her doesn't feel anything. She just manipulates situations and disappears back into her own little world.

I don't call someone names because I feel betrayed by someone else. I call them names because I mean it. He has no right to make Janice 'feel his pain'. He was out of order plain and simple and it bears no reflection at all on James nomination.
And how do you know she feels nothing? What a presumption! And still its no excuse for what he sad.

[Beetlejuice]

Tbf I can't blame Beetlejuice for thinking that about anyone seriously siding with James on this.

I'm not saying that people have to go off James and start supporting Austin for it, but a bit of honesty that James was out of order in this particular incident would be nice.

We don't want another John James scenario again where he became untouchable whilst everyone else had to follow certain standards.

That's the thing, almost everyone who is sympathetic with Austin can admit that he was way over the top tonight. And also in the past. But those supporting Janice and James have to act like there's nothing dodgy about James nominating Austin at all, and seriously talk of Janice as just this poor elderly woman, when 4 people tonight nominated her for being "manipulative". Something so obvious it's amazing anyone disputes it.

[Beso]

the majority of voters .... James has never been up you stupid twonk

[Beetlejuice]

I don't call someone names because I feel betrayed by someone else.

You're not on Big Brother either. So what? No one is justifying Austin's reaction, just explaining where it was coming from.


I call them names because I mean it. He has no right to make Janice 'feel his pain'. He was out of order plain and simple and it bears no reflection at all on James nomination.

Yes, he was and everyone admits that. but some of you refuse to admit Janice is a highly manipulative person who purposely fails tasks to get the spotlight regardless of what the consequences are for others, which happened to be for Austin last night. He was desperate for his letter from home and she just threw at him and then pretended to be sorry for it. She was nothing of the sort.

And how do you know she feels nothing? What a presumption! And still its no excuse for what he sad.

I have not seen one bit of evidence that that woman cares about anyone or anything other than herself. And Austin, Bobby and Sherrie all nominated her for essentially this reason.

[Beetlejuice]

the majority of voters .... James has never been up you stupid twonk

He was up last time you moron.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm the wrong one to ask about those past scenarios. I can't remember the details at all. Maybe someone else can help, sorry!

Dappy nominated his friend Luisa due to an argument that they had the day before.

And Ashleigh nominated Christopher I think after the argument where she said “I'll smash your head through a mirror if you start with me.”

[Beso]

He was up last time you moron.

you're making assumption after assumption and stating them as facts all for 2 prancing pricks and you have the audacity to call ME a moron:joker:

[Beso]

He was up last time you moron.

you're making assumption after assumption and stating them as facts all for 2 prancing pricks, and you have the audacity to call ME a moron:joker:

[Beetlejuice]

you're making assumption after assumption and stating them as facts all for 2 prancing pricks, and you have the audacity to call ME a moron:joker:

I called you a moron in response to your comment.

the majority of voters .... James has never been up you stupid twonk

That would be the one. Inaccurate, insulting and moronic.

[Mystic Mock]

That's the thing, almost everyone who is sympathetic with Austin can admit that he was way over the top tonight. And also in the past. But those supporting Janice and James have to act like there's nothing dodgy about James nominating Austin at all, and seriously talk of Janice as just this poor elderly woman, when 4 people tonight nominated her for being "manipulative". Something so obvious it's amazing anyone disputes it.

I agree with all that you've said in this post.

Tbf I don't think that Janice did much wrong tonight, but she has antagonised him on other occasions.

And Austin hasn't really done anything wrong to James to warrant what James did to him tonight.

[Beso]

I called you a moron in response to your inaccurate and insulting comment.

how do you know he has the majority vote smart ass?

[jet]

He was hurt by the betrayal by his friend and wanted the manipulative bitch that is Janice to feel some of it. A silly thing to do, but look at the state he got himself into for it... That was real remorse, and deep shame you saw in him. Compare that to Janice, who has acted every step of the way with every emotion she's ever shown. Not to mention James, who sat there cold as ice throughout it all.

Why wasn't he honest enough and man enough to hurl his abuse at James instead of taking it out on an elderly woman who had hardly did a thing to provoke it? When Natasha yelled at him his face was a picture and it shut him up pronto!
And I don't agree that it was real remorse or shame, he was just being self pitying. He was in a state though, and I did feel for him. He has a lot of growing up to do, and the comparison between James's maturity and his immaturity is quite startling, given they are around the same age.

[jaxie]

You're not on Big Brother either. So what? No one is justifying Austin's reaction, just explaining where it was coming from.




Yes, he was and everyone admits that. but some of you refuse to admit Janice is a highly manipulative person who purposely fails tasks to get the spotlight regardless of what the consequences are for others, which happened to be for Austin last night. He was desperate for his letter from home and she just threw at him and then pretended to be sorry for it. She was nothing of the sort.



I have not seen one bit of evidence that that woman cares about anyone or anything other than herself. And Austin, Bobby and Sherrie all nominated her for essentially this reason.

I don't give a flying fcuk whether Janice is manipulative or not. It doesn't matter to me, I don't care. It has no bearing on the voile things that were said to her. If she is or she isn't does not invite the tirade of vitriole Austin gave. It was uncalled for.

If you want to talk manipulative, look at Jenna, she is the most manipulative person in the house.

Also if Austin spoke to me the way he has to Janice many times, I'd throw the letter at him too, shame they didn't have to eat them.

[Beetlejuice]

Why wasn't he honest enough and man enough to hurl his abuse at James

He did. He called him a ball-less bitch.

instead of taking it out on an elderly woman who had hardly did a thing to provoke it?

She had thrown his letter right at him last night after having lost it in her latest attempt to get some attention for herself by playing the dozy old bat. He was angry that whilst Jenna, Sherrie and Bobby could all see her for what she is, James only cared that "she had never done anything" to him and so nominated his best friend instead, after he's lost his letter from home. And apparently all for Austin's own good, despite the fact that James had no idea it would be shown to the house, and Austin wouldn't see it until he was out.


When Natasha yelled at him his face was a picture and it shut him up pronto!

And? She just looked like a moron to me.

And I don't agree that it was real remorse or shame, he was just being self pitying. He was in a state though, and I did feel for him.

He was in a state because he felt shame.

He has a lot of growing up to do, and the comparison between James's maturity and his immaturity is quite startling, given they are around the same age.

James is a cold fish, and being very calculating. Call it maturity if you want, I just see a slimeball. And as for immature... Take a good look at Janice.

[Beetlejuice]

I don't give a flying fcuk whether Janice is manipulative or not.

I know you don't because the context doesn't matter. You just want to condemn someone.


It doesn't matter to me, I don't care. It has no bearing on the voile things that were said to her. If she is or she isn't does not invite the tirade of vitriole Austin gave. It was uncalled for.

And everyone accepts that.


If you want to talk manipulative, look at Jenna, she is the most manipulative person in the house.

Also if Austin spoke to me the way he has to Janice many times, I'd throw the letter at him too, shame they didn't have to eat them.

He talks to her the way he does because of the way she contrives situations, manipulates people and then pretends she's not doing it on purpose. He sees through her. You on the other hand don't care about the truth about Janice, as you've said.

[jet]

He did. He called him a ball-less bitch.



She had thrown his letter right at him last night after having lost it in her latest attempt to get some attention for herself by playing the dozy old bat.




And? She just looked like a moron to me.



He was in a state because he felt shame.



James is a cold fish, and being very calculating. Call it maturity if you want, I just see a slimeball. And as for immature... Take a good look at Janice.

Calling James a ball - less bitch was hardly hurling a torrent of horrendous abuse like he did with Janice...and he started on Janice TONIGHT when she didn't even say anything to warrant it....really your excuses for Austin are getting more and more ridiculous and it's just tiresome now....

[jaxie]

I know you don't because the context doesn't matter. You just want to condemn someone.

Again making presumptions because I dont agree with your trying to put the inexcusable into an invented context. This is rather similar to what Austin does


And everyone accepts that.




He talks to her the way he does because of the way she contrives situations, manipulates people and then pretends she's not doing it on purpose. He sees through her. You on the other hand don't care about the truth about Janice, as you've said.
Again making excuses.

[Beetlejuice]

Calling James a ball - less bitch was hardly hurling abuse like he did with Janice...and he started on Janice TONIGHT when she didn't even say anything to warrant it

He walked in, angry, and heard her talking about him and that set him off. Why James even brought Janice into it I have no idea, other than him just being slimy again.

....really your excuses for Austin are getting more and more ridiculous and it's just tiresome now....

How many ****ing times do I have to say I am not excusing his behaviour tonight? I am explaining where he was probably coming from and also pointing out the betrayal by James and what an odious creature Janice is.

Again and again, those of us sympathetic with Austin will concede he was out of order saying what he did. But those of you who only wish to condemn him will not see what James did, how it could effect a person and you turn a blind eye to just how awful Janice is, despite the fact that both Bobby and Sherrie have said it tonight as well.

This is the problem, whilst I can concede Austin was out of line, a lot of you are painting a perfect picture of James and Janice, and it is nauseating in the extreme. The housemates themselves have Janice sussed, and it amazes me that people can watch James give this cock and bull explanations and not see through him at all.

[Beetlejuice]

Again making excuses.

I'm not making excuses. His attack on her tonight was too much. His attacks on her in the past have been totally warranted imo.

Care to admit what Bobby and Sherrie have said about her, what a manipulative cow she is? Can you do it? Doubt it.

Care to even express some doubt about Saint Slimeball? Can you do it? Doubt it.

[Mystic Mock]

Calling James a ball - less bitch was hardly hurling a torrent of horrendous abuse like he did with Janice...and he started on Janice TONIGHT when she didn't even say anything to warrant it....really your excuses for Austin are getting more and more ridiculous and it's just tiresome now....

Have you thought that Austin didn't go too far with James because he still actually sees James as a friend?

I can't believe that people are pretending that James has a leg to stand on, it needs to stop as it's making James into one of those Housemates that can do anything and people are expected to just lap it up, neutral voters will not like that as it's happened with Farrah, Jenna, and Austin now where his self-righteous and sometimes downright disgusting behaviour has been let off.

[Beso]

James is a piece of crap who caused all of this.

That must be the worst ever excuse for a hms behaviour i have ever seen in my life.

The way austin grabbed that letter from janice was all james fault!
The sudden outburst calling her an unfit and a disgrace as well as a **** was all james fault.

You think people forgive james behaviour because hes a pretty boy, maybe thats why you dislike his behaviour? Not that he has done anything wrong.

Austin should be gratefull james is so forgiving and still man enough to talk to him, cause for me austins pathetic need to cackle after everything he says would be enough for me to evict his stupid pant waring ass out of there..but no james has put up with his loud mouth wankerisms and his ignorance since the start.

Until he took it to far amd started verging on aggression, then james tried to tell him but austin cant be told because he's an ignorant arsehole.

This is why he got nominated.

Anyway, even if it wasnt and even if james is playing some master game!! so what, the shows build as uk v usa, isnt the point to get out the so called oppositions stronger members.

[jaxie]

I'm not making excuses. His attack on her tonight was too much. His attacks on her in the past have been totally warranted imo.

Care to admit what Bobby and Sherrie have said about her, what a manipulative cow she is? Can you do it? Doubt it.

Care to even express some doubt about Saint Slimeball? Can you do it? Doubt it.
Re Bobby & Sherrie, he said, she said, you are confusing me with someone who cares or feels that has any relevance to an unprovoked verbal attack on Janice. Their opinions of Janice have no bearing on this at all. Or are you saying because someone thinks she's manipulative tyen its ok to verbally abuae her? If you are why not just spit it out instead of hedging. IMO Janice plays the game and she plays it well, that doesn't give anyone be the right to attack her parenting, talk about her displaying her body or call her a c u nxt t.

Re James I have no doubt to express. I am happy in my opinion of him and his motivation.

[Beetlejuice]

James is a piece of crap who caused all of this.

That must be the worst ever excuse for a hms behaviour i have ever seen in my life.

Oh, you're back again.

The way austin grabbed that letter from janice was all james fault!

That happened last night.


The sudden outburst calling her an unfit and a disgrace as well as a **** was all james fault.

His betrayal certainly led to Austin's meltdown. That's indisputable.

You think people forgive james behaviour because hes a pretty boy, maybe thats why you dislike his behaviour? Not that he has done anything wrong.

Apart from betraying his friend and trying to manipulate the public.

Austin should be gratefull james is so forgiving and still man enough to talk to him, cause for me austins pathetic need to cackle after everything he says would be enough for me to evict his stupid pant waring ass out of there..but no james has put up with his loud mouth wankerisms and his ignorance since the start.

Until he took it to far amd started verging on aggression, then james tried to tell him but austin cant be told because he's an ignorant arsehole.

This is why he got nominated.

If you say so. Alternatively, James is the slimeball more and more people are realizing he is.

[Beetlejuice]

Re Bobby & Sherrie, he said, she said, you are confusing me with someone who cares or feels that has any relevance to an unprovoked verbal attack on Janice

No, no, we've established that you don't care about the context and just wish to condemn a person.


Their opinions of Janice have no bearing on this at all. Or are you saying because someone thinks she's manipulative tyen its ok to verbally abuae her?

No, I'm saying he verbally abused her because he correctly sees her as a manipulative old witch. That doesn't justify him saying what he did, but it is the explanation for it. Unfortunately you can't admit that Janice is a terrible person, because you think that might in some way make Austin slightly less worse than you want to believe he is.


If you are why not just spit it out instead of hedging. IMO Janice plays the game and she plays it well, that doesn't give anyone be the right to a5ack her parenting, talk about her displaying her body or call her a c u nxt t.

It's funny to me how "she/he plays the game" is trotted out to just dismiss any criticisms of certain housemates. Yes she does play a game, and the person who has been caught up in her playing the game the most has been Austin. Most notably when she, having purposely failed that task, threw his letter at him and then pretended to cry about it afterwards. Austin still seething over that, took his frustration out on her. What he said was wrong, but that is why he attacked her. You can't just act like it's an isolated event and there's no context to it and that Janice is a poor innocent victim.

[Beso]

More and more people....

Hold on a minute, didnt you just randomly claim he had the majority vote.

Ps, you dont make it very easy to converse by quoting so much and saying so little.

[jet]

He walked in, angry, and heard her talking about him and that set him off. Why James even brought Janice into it I have no idea, other than him just being slimy again.



How many ****ing times do I have to say I am not excusing his behaviour tonight? I am explaining where he was probably coming from and also pointing out the betrayal by James and what an odious creature Janice is.

Again and again, those of us sympathetic with Austin will concede he was out of order saying what he did. But those of you who only wish to condemn him will not see what James did, how it could effect a person and you turn a blind eye to just how awful Janice is, despite the fact that both Bobby and Sherrie have said it tonight as well.

This is the problem, whilst I can concede Austin was out of line, a lot of you are painting a perfect picture of James and Janice, and it is nauseating in the extreme. The housemates themselves have Janice sussed, and it amazes me that people can watch James give this cock and bull explanations and not see through him at all.

I can see how it would affect Austin but the difference is I don't use it as an excuse for how he hurled such abuse at Janice instead of the person he was really angry at - James. I also don't see Janice as being awful, I see her as as eccentric and a bit batty and I like her. You like Austin despite his faults, I like Janice despite hers. I think James was right to nominate whoever he pleased and I have no reason to suspect his motives as it is more likely that the public will go against him for his decision and he would know that. I fully expect Austin to be there for the final so will you calm the F down and take a chill pill ffs.

[Beetlejuice]

I can see how it would affect Austin but the difference is I don't use it as an excuse for how he hurled such abuse at Janice instead of the person he was really angry at - James.

I'm going to say this one more time and then I'm done with you. No one is excusing what he said.

He was hurt by James and probably still angry about Janice from the previous night.


I also don't see Janice as being awful, I see her as as eccentric and a bit batty and I like her.

Well, fine. That's another person you can't see through, even when housemates such as Bobby and Sherrie are nominating her for being manipulative. Daniel Baldwin said that she does this act on every reality show, and it is an act. An act to hide behind as she goes about manipulating people, which is awful behaviour.


You like Austin despite his faults, I like Janice despite hers.

You won't even admit hers. You just think she's eccentric. Nonsense. She's pure poison.

I think James was right to nominate whoever he pleased

I'm sorry I just can't debate with someone who writes such innocuous drivel. Goodbye.

[Beso]

Beetlejuice....you are aware you are excusing austins behaviour in the title of the thread ffs

[jaxie]

No, no, we've established that you don't care about the context and just wish to condemn a person.




No, I'm saying he verbally abused her because he correctly sees her as a manipulative old witch. That doesn't justify him saying what he did, but it is the explanation for it. Unfortunately you can't admit that Janice is a terrible person, because you think that might in some way make Austin slightly less worse than you want to believe he is.




It's funny to me how "she/he plays the game" is trotted out to just dismiss any criticisms of certain housemates. Yes she does play a game, and the person who has been caught up in her playing the game the most has been Austin. Most notably when she, having purposely failed that task, threw his letter at him and then pretended to cry about it afterwards. Austin still seething over that, took his frustration out on her. What he said was wrong, but that is why he attacked her. You can't just act like it's an isolated event and there's no context to it and that Janice is a poor innocent victim.
What amuses me intensely is that you presume to know what I think, who I like and dislike and so on. You assume I am a fan of this one or that and not a fan of others with absolutely no understanding of my opinion at all. Austin was one of my favourites but like James, I can't support that attack on Janice because wrong is wrong. No excuses.

There is no justification, no why for an attack like that. I do condemn him for his nasty attack on Janice yes. It was not deserved. You speak about people not admitting she is this or that. The real problem is you can't accept people have opinions that differ from yours. That's a bit sad.

I'd love to stay up all night and disagree with someone who doesn't listen but I think I'll head off to bed instead. Sweet dreams.

[Beso]

Third post in you call bobby an idiot yet suddenly he's a ****ing genius because he nominated janice..

[Mystic Mock]

James is a piece of crap who caused all of this.

That must be the worst ever excuse for a hms behaviour i have ever seen in my life.

The way austin grabbed that letter from janice was all james fault!
The sudden outburst calling her an unfit and a disgrace as well as a **** was all james fault.

You think people forgive james behaviour because hes a pretty boy, maybe thats why you dislike his behaviour? Not that he has done anything wrong.

Austin should be gratefull james is so forgiving and still man enough to talk to him, cause for me austins pathetic need to cackle after everything he says would be enough for me to evict his stupid pant waring ass out of there..but no james has put up with his loud mouth wankerisms and his ignorance since the start.

Until he took it to far amd started verging on aggression, then james tried to tell him but austin cant be told because he's an ignorant arsehole.

This is why he got nominated.

Anyway, even if it wasnt and even if james is playing some master game!! so what, the shows build as uk v usa, isnt the point to get out the so called oppositions stronger members.

If James wasn't acting so self-righteous after playing the game then it might actually be funny to watch, as it is it's annoying seeing him getting away with everything.

And yes it's annoying that when the pretty boys are in the wrong (which yes it's what James was tonight) then it's annoying that the pretty boys get off scott free when we've seen the pretty blonde girl in BB15 get abuse for hers, and the skinny Greek origin guy get abuse for their betrayals in their series, and they weren't even as close to who they nominated in their individual series as James is to Austin.

Imo what James did tonight is like Victor or Jason nominating each other in BB5.

[LukeB]

James has done nothing wrong, austin has been really vile towards Janice and James wasn't okay with that.. He isn't close with Jenna because Jenna was going to nominate him once so hypocrite. Jenna and Austin ganged up on James the day before nominations.. A friend doesn't always have to take your side when you have been vile.. They have not even known each other that long

[Beso]

If James wasn't acting so self-righteous after playing the game then it might actually be funny to watch, as it is it's annoying seeing him getting away with everything.

And yes it's annoying that when the pretty boys are in the wrong (which yes it's what James was tonight) then it's annoying that the pretty boys get off scott free when we've seen the pretty blonde girl in BB15 get abuse for hers, and the skinny Greek origin guy get abuse for their betrayals in their series, and they weren't even as close to who they nominated in their individual series as James is to Austin.

Imo what James did tonight is like Victor or Jason nominating each other in BB5.

James's point is the fact that no one else in the house has done anything that directly effected him so he could only nominate the 2 people who had which were jenna and james. Both of whom had a right team meeting before both of them rounded on him at once.

The bloke should be commended for keeping it real.

[Mystic Mock]

People are attacking Jenna for wanting to nominate James before they was allies.:joker:

And how is James in the right for Austin insulting Janice? Don't tell me that people are buying James's bull**** that his doing on behalf of Janice do you guys?:laugh3:

[Mystic Mock]

People are attacking Jenna for wanting to nominate James before they was allies.:joker:

And how is James in the right for Austin insulting Janice? Don't tell me that people are buying James's bull**** that his doing it on behalf of Janice do you guys?:laugh3:

And at least with Jenna she has let the public know that she's a gameplayer, unlike this sneaky, smarmy, prick.

[Mystic Mock]

James's point is the fact that no one else in the house has done anything that directly effected him so he could only nominate the 2 people who had which were jenna and james. Both of whom had a right team meeting before both of them rounded on him at once.

The bloke should be commended for keeping it real.

You're suppose to nominate the two Housemates that you get on with the least in the house.

As he claims that his close to Austin that makes him fake as he can't have it both ways when there was 7 other people to choose from.

[LukeB]

Not James's fault Austin gave him a reasons to nominate the twit

[Beso]

You're suppose to nominate the two Housemates that you get on with the least in the house.

As he claims that his close to Austin that makes him fake as he can't have it both ways when there was 7 other people to choose from.

When the hell was that introduced into the bb rule book for christ sake.

You couldnt make this **** up, comical absolutely comical.

Ps, 1 other to chose from seeing as its uk v usa.

[Mystic Mock]

Not James's fault Austin gave him a reasons to nominate the twit

You could nominate every single one of them in there.

Austin - For being too aggressive in arguments that it makes you feel uncomfortable.

Janice - A sly manipulator that's very hard to live with, with all of her theatrics.

James - For behaving like a Robot, and being too self-righteous in arguments even when his wrong.

Bobby - Too creepy with his laugh, and the way he spoke to Farrah was disgusting.

Natasha - Cold & distant from most of the house, and has a constant scowl on her face.

Stevi & Chloe - Both annoying.

Sherrie - She's too quiet.

Nobody is without reasons to nominate them, but James simply got scared of upsetting certain sections of the audience after his big speech after saving Janice on Friday.

[Stormy]

When the hell was that introduced into the bb rule book for christ sake.

You couldnt make this **** up, comical absolutely comical.

Ps, 1 other to chose from seeing as its uk v usa.


It's just a desperate attempt to excuse the unexcusable and deflect the horrid behaviour onto another housemate. I was a fan of Austin's but his behaviour changed that for me. While I can sympathize with his situation, there is no excusing it.

[Mystic Mock]

When the hell was that introduced into the bb rule book for christ sake.

You couldnt make this **** up, comical absolutely comical.

Ps, 1 other to chose from seeing as its uk v usa.

Wtf it's always been apart of the show that you nominate the two people that you don't get along with in the house.

But James has bent the rules and then acts self-righteous afterwards, he can't have his Cake and eat it, he either wants to be self-righteous like Pete Bennett, or a great villain like Victor, he can't be both.

[Beso]

It's just a desperate attempt to excuse the unexcusable and deflect the horrid behaviour onto another housemate. I was a fan of Austin's but his behaviour changed that for me. While I can sympathize with his situation, there is no excusing it.

Same, the aggression towards janice did it for me.

Still chuckled with him on the live feed though when they were doing her voice whilst trying to stop her snoring.

[Mystic Mock]

It's just a desperate attempt to excuse the unexcusable and deflect the horrid behaviour onto another housemate. I was a fan of Austin's but his behaviour changed that for me. While I can sympathize with his situation, there is no excusing it.

Other people keep bringing Austin's behaviour on Janice into it (which I've agreed was out of order) what else do you want?

People keep using that argument on Janice in last nights show as a reason to defend James's betrayal or Natasha and Bobby getting involved, it doesn't excuse any of them and it makes them out of order just as much for their involvement as it does on what Austin said to Janice.

[Beso]

Wtf it's always been apart of the show that you nominate the two people that you don't get along with in the house.

But James has bent the rules and then acts self-righteous afterwards, he can't have his Cake and eat it, he either wants to be self-righteous like Pete Bennett, or a great villain like Victor, he can't be both.

Mate please, you're killing me.

Its a gameshow you win money on..it has gameplayers.

On the other hand, do they just cancel nominations when everyones best mates!


No, no they ****ing don't.

[Stormy]

Other people keep bringing Austin's behaviour on Janice into it (which I've agreed was out of order) what else do you want?

People keep using that argument on Janice in last nights show as a reason to defend James's betrayal or Natasha and Bobby getting involved, it doesn't excuse any of them and it makes them out of order just as much for their involvement as it does on what Austin said to Janice.

I've never supported the dumb things that Janice has done. I'm also not sure if she's calculated or a bit ditzy. I suspect it's a bit of both. In the scheme of things it does not equal the magnitude of Austin's behaviour. Not even close.

Remember Janice is his fourth 'victim'. He went off on Farrah, Chloe and Stevie, before her. It's only Farrah, that I gave him a pass on because she gave as good as she got. The others did not. And I suspect that Jenna fired him up against Janice...big time.

I believe that James is being vilified for 'turning on a friend' to try and deflect from Austin's behaviour and some how make it ok.

James is stuck in trying to be honorable. I admit it is a bit pompus and egotistical of him, but it comes from a good place and it does annoy me when Austin fans try to vilify him, unnecessarily.

I don't hate Austin...I feel for him, actually....he is a good person....but has a vile temper that Jenna takes advantage of.

I despise Jenna because she took an emotionally vulnerable player, like Austin, and fueled his fire with Janice. His short fuse and vile outbursts on Janice were the result of Jenna feeding negative and hateful things about her to him. She really caused the fracture between him and James then sits back and lets him take all the heat while she tries comes out better than him.

Austin can't win anymore, but I would love to see him stay and Jenna leave....so we'll have a few more days of the fun Austin and he could at least redeem himself.

[BB4fan]

Seconded

I third it.

Austin is to blame for his own actions. If he decided to trash the kitchen or smash the place up, then it would be HIS actions and no one else would be to blame other than himself.


He said those things to Janice because he's a splenetic person. No way is James to blame for his stupidity.

[Stormy]

I third it.

Austin is to blame for his own actions. If he decided to trash the kitchen or smash the place up, then it would be HIS actions and no one else would be to blame other than himself.


He said those things to Janice because he's a splenetic person. No way is James to blame for his stupidity.

"Splenetic"...love it! I rarely see that word used. :)

[Beso]

Wish i knew what it meant.

[Mystic Mock]

Mate please, you're killing me.

Its a gameshow you win money on..it has gameplayers.

On the other hand, do they just cancel nominations when everyones best mates!


No, no they ****ing don't.

Yes and what do gameplayers do? They own it and tell the public, not cry foul when they make a betrayal and the other Housemate fights back.

[Mystic Mock]

I third it.

Austin is to blame for his own actions. If he decided to trash the kitchen or smash the place up, then it would be HIS actions and no one else would be to blame other than himself.


He said those things to Janice because he's a splenetic person. No way is James to blame for his stupidity.

But James isn't getting abuse for the Janice thing by most of the Austin fans, it's the fact that he nominated him and then doesn't expect Austin to be upset about it that makes him in the wrong and a disgrace.

[Beso]

Yes and what do gameplayers do? They own it and tell the public, not cry foul when they make a betrayal and the other Housemate fights back.

Only one person crying and that was the attention seeking fairy.

[Dollface]

Only one person crying and that was the attention seeking fairy.

Austin seemed genuinely upset to me (no that doesn't excuse his behaviour before anyone jumps down my throat)
...but where was his best mate when he was sobbing? -- Sitting on a chair looking like he couldn't care less, didn't bother to hug his mate like the other housemates were. He nominated his "best friend" in the house (which clearly very much upset Austin), and didn't seem to have the slightest bit of guilt about it. He's being made out to be some hero that stood up to a big bad wolf, but to me he's just shown himself to be a backstabber.

[Stormy]

Only one person crying and that was the attention seeking fairy.

Not nice. :nono:

[Stormy]

Austin seemed genuinely upset to me (no that doesn't excuse his behaviour before anyone jumps down my throat)
...but where was his best mate when he was sobbing? -- Sitting on a chair looking like he couldn't care less, didn't bother to hug his mate like the other housemates were. He nominated his "best friend" in the house (which clearly very much upset Austin), and didn't seem to have the slightest bit of guilt about it. He's being made out to be some hero that stood up to a big bad wolf, but to me he's just shown himself to be a backstabber.


I wouldn't say 'backstabber', but I totally agree with you. I was disgusted by Jame's reaction (or non-reaction) to Austin's break down. I didn't like that at all. He get's no excuses from me on that.

[Dollface]

I wouldn't say 'backstabber', but I totally agree with you. I was disgusted by Jame's reaction (or non-reaction) to Austin's break down. I didn't like that at all. He get's no excuses from me on that.

I would've felt betrayed if the person I was closest too in the house put me up for eviction. Austin is hard work and I can see why James gets frustrated with him, but if he was that sick of him that he'd nominate him for eviction, why carry on sleeping in bed with him? He should have made it clear that he'd had enough of him and that they wasn't really quite friends anymore.
Yeah I thought the way he sat there whilst Austin was crying and sobbing was just cold.

[Mystic Mock]

Only one person crying and that was the attention seeking fairy.

What a kind thing to call someone.

I wonder if James will have a word with you about your language when he comes out of the house?:hehe:

But seriously James pretending that his taking on Austin for Janice is just pathetic, especially how his timed it is quite convenient as well.

[Cherie]

What a kind thing to call someone.

I wonder if James will have a word with you about your language when he comes out of the house?:hehe:

But seriously James pretending that his taking on Austin for Janice is just pathetic, especially how his timed it is quite convenient as well.


James is so sanctimonious, I'm doing this for your own good, yadda yadda, Jenna pinned him when she called him out on that face he makes when he is defending the indefensible. James has played a good game but I think this might cost him the win, I hope so anyway ,,anyone but James to win for me now

[lewis111]

James is so sanctimonious, I'm doing this for your own good, yadda yadda, Jenna pinned him when she called him out on that face he makes when he is defending the indefensible. James has played a good game but I think this might cost him the win, I hope so anyway ,,anyone but James to win for me now

If anything last night increased James' chances of winning, he's as close as you can get to a certain to win now

[lewis111]

Love how everyone blasts Chloe and Janice for being fake and looking for sympathy when they cry but when Austin does it it's all "Aww hun" or that he really meant it. Quite clearly not he yet again used his dead brother to look for sympathy, only this time from the public not the housemates, sick

[Beso]

What a kind thing to call someone.

I wonder if James will have a word with you about your language when he comes out of the house?:hehe:

But seriously James pretending that his taking on Austin for Janice is just pathetic, especially how his timed it is quite convenient as well.

it has nothing to do with his homosexuality, so you can nip that in the bud right now:nono:

[Beso]

Not nice. :nono:

it's not what you think.:joker:

[Vanessa]

A real friend is someone who tells you when you're being an ass, not one who enables our idiotic behaviour. James warned Austin so many times that the way he was treating some of the housemates was wrong. But he ingored him and preferred to listen to Jenna. So he had to nominate him.

[jaxie]

I would've felt betrayed if the person I was closest too in the house put me up for eviction. Austin is hard work and I can see why James gets frustrated with him, but if he was that sick of him that he'd nominate him for eviction, why carry on sleeping in bed with him? He should have made it clear that he'd had enough of him and that they wasn't really quite friends anymore.
Yeah I thought the way he sat there whilst Austin was crying and sobbing was just cold.

I don't think James was cold I think he was pretty shocked by the things Austin had just said to Janice and then shocked again by Austin's little breakdown. He's a young bloke and young blokes don't rush to cuddle hysterical friends they just sit there feeling a bit awks.

I think James genuinely did what he thought was the right thing. We can argue over whether he was right or wrong, the point is he felt he was doing the right thing and I think that's OK. They are meant to nominate people they have a reason to nominate, James felt he had a reason.

[Vanessa]

I don't think James was cold I think he was pretty shocked by the things Austin had just said to Janice and then shocked again by Austin's little breakdown. He's a young bloke and young blokes don't rush to cuddle hysterical friends they just sit there feeling a bit awks.

I think James genuinely did what he thought was the right thing. We can argue over whether he was right or wrong, the point is he felt he was doing the right thing and I think that's OK. They are meant to nominate people they have a reason to nominate, James felt he had a reason.

He couldn't nominate any of the others, because he had no reason to.

[Kizzy]

This whole 'best friend' thing is getting annoying... He isn't his best friend he hardly knows the guy, yes they've has a few chats but James has no loyalty to Austin :/
It's like when you meet people on holiday and you get chatting for a couple of weeks, you exchange numbers.... but you know you won't call :laugh:

[Vanessa]

This whole 'best friend' thing is getting annoying... He isn't his best friend he hardly knows the guy, yes they've has a few chats but James has no loyalty to Austin :/
It's like when you meet people on holiday and you get chatting for a couple of weeks, you exchange numbers.... but you know you won't call :laugh:

James should run for his life. The guy is obsessed with him :dog:

[just thinkin]

they're not mates - they are only mates in the house. How unrealistic to actually even think that somebody can be best 'mates' with somebody in an unrealistic situation within 21 days. Bull!!! people are entitled to play the game in that house - its what makes the show.

However,

Austin needs help. Nobody in that house is to blame for how this animal behaved last night. He needs to take responsibility for what he did - nobody else - HIM. and the apologists for him are even worse. There is no excuse for abusing somebody like he did

[camertone]

janice has been vile, nobody says anything.. close friend james betrayed austin,. and james refuses to admit janice's faults, .. which pushed austin to a boiling point.

btw, what austin said to janice was home truth.. most people think of her like that deep down.. janice is not a respectable woman, so is james, spineless hypocrite.

[OZBB]

Austin needs help. Nobody in that house is to blame for how this animal behaved last night. He needs to take responsibility for what he did - nobody else - HIM. and the apologists for him are even worse. There is no excuse for abusing somebody like he did


COMPLETELY agreed!

I'm finding the defenders of him actually EVEN MORE reprehensible!

Would they support a bully attacking an old lady on the street?

If you support Austin you MUST take a LONG HARD look at your own morals and whether you'd support old people being abused and bashed in public.

VILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[just thinkin]

janice has been vile, nobody says anything.. close friend james betrayed austin,. and james refuses to admit janice's faults, .. which pushed austin to a boiling point.

btw, what austin said to janice was home truth.. most people think of her like that deep down.. janice is not a respectable woman, so is james, spineless hypocrite.

there are no 'close friends' in that house - anybody inside that house that thinks so are deluded - anybody OUTSIDE the house that thinks so has not learned any lessons for the last 16 years of bb

[downthechippie]

It doesn't matter what Jenna's motives was, you don't nominate allies, but when he nominates his friend then I wouldn't put it past him to nominate an ally (even if it's only formed recently)

Freddie in BB10 lost the plot towards the end of his series, did you see Siavash and Marcus nominating him? No because they was alligned and they knew not to backstab each other.

And for more recent ones Jim and Dappy in CBB13 did/said some disgraceful things yet you didn't see them nominating each other because of them, the same for Helen and Ash in BB15.

And who remembers the abuse that Ashleigh in BB15 received for nominating Christopher despite being as close as Jaustin are suppose to be?

Why is it okay for James to betray a friend/ally but not Ashleigh in her series? Or Dappy when he nominated Luisa? Which btw I disagreed with all 3 choices and Dappy was my favourite in his series so I'm being fair here, why can't other people do the same?

I understand exactly what you are saying Mystic, because loyalty is high up on my list of qualities. Sadly, many people don't seem to put much store by it - as demonstrated on this very thread.

What James did to Austin was spiteful, hurtful, designed to eliminate. You don't do that to 'friends'.

But I think that James is the sort of person who goes about his life, very charming and friendly, on the surface a pleasant person - but underneath he is something else. He has no substance or moral compass.

I would say that the most hurtful people are not those who shout or swear, but those who say things 'in the nicest possible way', calmly and with the pretence of doing it for your own good, while really putting in the psychological knife.

Give me a 'shouter' any day of the week.

[just thinkin]

BIG DIFFERENCE between being a 'shouter' and being a disgusting verbal abuser of women. And not just Janice either - he had a go at Natasha's mothering as well. A walking Turd.

[MrWong]

A real friend is someone who tells you when you're being an ass, not one who enables our idiotic behaviour. James warned Austin so many times that the way he was treating some of the housemates was wrong. But he ingored him and preferred to listen to Jenna. So he had to nominate him.

He didn't have to nominate him. He could have moved beds. He could have stopped talking to him. Stopped man tubbing etc..

[Beso]

try it with your kids, see which one has them cowering in the corner!

[MrWong]

there are no 'close friends' in that house - anybody inside that house that thinks so are deluded - anybody OUTSIDE the house that thinks so has not learned any lessons for the last 16 years of bb

That's not true.

Plenty of hm's have remained close friends, in and out of the house. Off the top of my head, Alison and Kate. Brian and Narinder. Aaron and Faye.

[MrWong]

James should run for his life. The guy is obsessed with him :dog:

Austin isn't the only one obsessed :hehe:

[Jason.]

7 pages for a thread about James Hill. Who would've thought?

[Livia]

Austin has been a childish, petulant a-hole for some time now. If someone doesn't agree with him he starts twisting people's words and getting all bent out of shape... it's a bit like Serious Debates! Anyhoo... he's blotted his copybook with his ridiculously immature behaviour which is a shame because I think a lot of people liked him till he showed everyone what he's really like.

[just thinkin]

That's not true.

Plenty of hm's have remained close friends, in and out of the house. Off the top of my head, Alison and Kate. Brian and Narinder. Aaron and Faye.

friends AFTER LEAVING the house - believe me you do not become 'close' friends in an unnatural situation in the space of days with cameras and forced directions thrown at you - you may START to get to know one another but the 'close friends' comes wayyyyy down the line when you can be yourself and live your life. the only 'close' friends I would believe in the space of a few days or couple of weeks are kids in kindergarden - but even they know it won't last. :laugh:

[downthechippie]

Mate please, you're killing me.

Its a gameshow you win money on..it has gameplayers.

On the other hand, do they just cancel nominations when everyones best mates!


No, no they ****ing don't.

For many of us true bb fans, it is more the psychology of the housemates that draws us in. You are right that for many, most?, it is 'just a gameshow'. For us diehards it is a chance to analyse personalities, try to get some understanding of how people do what they do. Try to make sense of human relationships. For me, it is more than just a game show. I wouldn't bother watching it otherwise.

When I get to see how these characters react to different situations, of course I make judgements.

If someone is 'playing the game' and getting their housemates to like them, and trying to get the public to like them - I THINK i can usually see through it.

My assessment of James is that he is not a man of substance. He would sell his own grandmother down the river if it meant advancement for himself. That's just my assessment.

Austin, I'm not too keen on, but at least he seems to have a streak of uncompromising realness, even to the extent of causing disharmony, arguments, and pain for himself and others. He will not compromise if he feels strongly about something.

I have to admire that.

[OZBB]

Here we go again with the "real"ness.

It's a common trait of Gen Y and Gen Stupid that you MUST be "real".

"Real" meaning - vile, obnoxious, stepping on anybody in your way.


God, I weep for the future because what the fark comes after Gen Stupid?

[MrWong]

friends AFTER LEAVING the house - believe me you do not become 'close' friends in an unnatural situation in the space of days with cameras and forced directions thrown at you - you may START to get to know one another but the 'close friends' comes wayyyyy down the line when you can be yourself and live your life. the only 'close' friends I would believe in the space of a few days or couple of weeks are kids in kindergarden - but even they know it won't last. :laugh:

Still not true. They were close friends in the house. Unsurprising really when you spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week together.

Nariner only lasted 3 weeks and was still able to build a close friendship with Brian, for instance.

[Pink Pegasus]

Austin seemed genuinely upset to me (no that doesn't excuse his behaviour before anyone jumps down my throat)
...but where was his best mate when he was sobbing? -- Sitting on a chair looking like he couldn't care less, didn't bother to hug his mate like the other housemates were. He nominated his "best friend" in the house (which clearly very much upset Austin), and didn't seem to have the slightest bit of guilt about it. He's being made out to be some hero that stood up to a big bad wolf, but to me he's just shown himself to be a backstabber.

The cynic in me would say that James thought everything was going great for himself, he'd given his good guy moralistic reasons for nominations, he had some housemates siding with him and possibly the public, Ausin had just lost the plot with Janice and handed any chance of a win away making it even more likely public were on James side, so: Austin looking terrible and James looking pretty good.

Then out of the blue Austin emerges from the diaryroom in floods of tears, a sobbing remorseful wreck and instantly gets comforted by James' earlier supporter Bobby, then Natasha and Sherrie also join in comforting Austin too. Suddenly it's not so clear cut as Austin = 'all bad' and James = ' good'. IF James had done his nomination for tactical\gameplaying reasons then Austin having a breakdown in tears could have thrown off his game for a bit. The delay in his reaction could have been him thinking 'how will I play this, forgive and befriend again or cut all ties with him at this point because of my 'morals'?' - before he eventually just followed the lead of the other housemates...

OR maybe he was just annoyed because Austin had just called him a ball-less something or other, had that row with Janice and he was still too angry with Austin at first to respond?

Neither of these possibilities would surprise me...

[just thinkin]

Still not true. They were close friends in the house. Unsurprising really when you spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week together.

Nariner only lasted 3 weeks and was still able to build a close friendship with Brian, for instance.

disagree.........anyone who thinks you become best friends in the space of a couple of weeks, cooped up together under unnatural circumstances will be bitterly disappointed - I mean, look at that disgrace of an adult Austin - he thought he could be best friends and look what happened to him when reality hit him.

any friendship will develop OUTSIDE the fake environment - not inside.

[MrWong]

disagree.........anyone who thinks you become best friends in the space of a couple of weeks, cooped up together under unnatural circumstances will be bitterly disappointed - I mean, look at that disgrace of an adult Austin - he thought he could be best friends and look what happened to him when reality hit him.

any friendship will develop OUTSIDE the fake environment - not inside.

That's because the friendship is fake (for James).

To build a close friendship both people have to be sincere about it.

[joeysteele]

You can become best friends quickly, they are in the house 24 hours a day every day and so it is easy to get close spending that much time together.

Army and other forces spending time fighting together and for long periods, they then form very close bonds that last a lifetime.

At Uni,I spent a lot of time with people I had never met before who after a short time, became what I would call friends and they will likely remain friends for the rest of my life now hopefully too.

Being stuck in a house with people, for weeks on end, as is the case with the BB house, day and night for 24 hours must speed that process up, either as to getting close or in a negative way too.

[Niamh.]

The cynic in me would say that James thought everything was going great for himself, he'd given his good guy moralistic reasons for nominations, he had some housemates siding with him and possibly the public, Ausin had just lost the plot with Janice and handed any chance of a win away making it even more likely public were on James side, so: Austin looking terrible and James looking pretty good.

Then out of the blue Austin emerges from the diaryroom in floods of tears, a sobbing remorseful wreck and instantly gets comforted by James' earlier supporter Bobby, then Natasha and Sherrie also join in comforting Austin too. Suddenly it's not so clear cut as Austin = 'all bad' and James = ' good'. IF James had done his nomination for tactical\gameplaying reasons then Austin having a breakdown in tears could have thrown off his game for a bit. The delay in his reaction could have been him thinking 'how will I play this, forgive and befriend again or cut all ties with him at this point because of my 'morals'?' - before he eventually just followed the lead of the other housemates...

OR maybe he was just annoyed because Austin had just called him a ball-less something or other, had that row with Janice and he was still too angry with Austin at first to respond?

Neither of these possibilities would surprise me...

Love reading your posts Peggy :love: I completely agree with the first two paragraphs

[just thinkin]

That's because the friendship is fake (for James).

To build a close friendship both people have to be sincere about it.

its not really for EITHER of them. austin is too thick to realise that - even though James has tried to tell him numerous times - to his face - but he still doesn't get it.

[downthechippie]

You can become best friends quickly, they are in the house 24 hours a day every day and so it is easy to get close spending that much time together.

Army and other forces spending time fighting together and for long periods, they then form very close bonds that last a lifetime.

At Uni,I spent a lot of time with people I had never met before who after a short time, became what I would call friends and they will likely remain friends for the rest of my life now hopefully too.

Being stuck in a house with people, for weeks on end, as is the case with the BB house, day and night for 24 hours must speed that process up, either as to getting close or in a negative way too.

I agree. Austin felt this way too. James on the other hand, seems to have no such natural human instincts and only says and acts in ways that he feels will endear him to the public and put him on the moral highground.

I felt for Austin when James told him that there was no closeness, not really. I imagine that would be very hurtful to someone who feels a strong friendship bond. Like a slap in the face.

[just thinkin]

You can become best friends quickly, they are in the house 24 hours a day every day and so it is easy to get close spending that much time together.

Army and other forces spending time fighting together and for long periods, they then form very close bonds that last a lifetime.

At Uni,I spent a lot of time with people I had never met before who after a short time, became what I would call friends and they will likely remain friends for the rest of my life now hopefully too.

Being stuck in a house with people, for weeks on end, as is the case with the BB house, day and night for 24 hours must speed that process up, either as to getting close or in a negative way too.

its not weeks on end - its three weeks so far...ive been on longer holidays -

[just thinkin]

I agree. Austin felt this way too. James on the other hand, seems to have no such natural human instincts and only says and acts in ways that he feels will endear him to the public and put him on the moral highground.

I felt for Austin when James told him that there was no closeness, not really. I imagine that would be very hurtful to someone who feels a strong friendship bond. Like a slap in the face.

austin is responsible for his own actions and thoughts - just because he thinks he has found a new best friend does not mean that his target has to go along with it. James has tried to explain to him about a real friendship vs a reality show friendship but he's too thick to get it. That's not James fault - thats austins fault - maybe if he stopped ranting, closed his one big mouth and opened this two small ears and listen to what people are saying he might start to just about get the difference of a real friendship vs getting on with someone in a gameshow ... but I won't hold out any hope - he' doesn't seem like he's the full shilling to me. :joker:

[Beso]

For many of us true bb fans, it is more the psychology of the housemates that draws us in. You are right that for many, most?, it is 'just a gameshow'. For us diehards it is a chance to analyse personalities, try to get some understanding of how people do what they do. Try to make sense of human relationships. For me, it is more than just a game show. I wouldn't bother watching it otherwise.

When I get to see how these characters react to different situations, of course I make judgements.

If someone is 'playing the game' and getting their housemates to like them, and trying to get the public to like them - I THINK i can usually see through it.

My assessment of James is that he is not a man of substance. He would sell his own grandmother down the river if it meant advancement for himself. That's just my assessment.

Austin, I'm not too keen on, but at least he seems to have a streak of uncompromising realness, even to the extent of causing disharmony, arguments, and pain for himself and others. He will not compromise if he feels strongly about something.

I have to admire that.

die hard true bb fans know the show has been ****ed for years,because you get force fed ****e daily.

[downthechippie]

die hard true bb fans know the show has been ****ed for years,because you get force fed ****e daily.

That's true, but even though there is so much manipulation and direction by bb, it is still fun to see how the characters play out and react. they are either driven by ego, money or a desperate attempt to regain popularity. Sad really.

[jet]

I agree. Austin felt this way too. James on the other hand, seems to have no such natural human instincts and only says and acts in ways that he feels will endear him to the public and put him on the moral highground.

I felt for Austin when James told him that there was no closeness, not really. I imagine that would be very hurtful to someone who feels a strong friendship bond. Like a slap in the face.

But that's not what James said. Austin had said 'we know each other pretty well' and James said 'No, we don't really know each other', which is perfectly reasonable. It takes a long time to get to know someone properly. He didn't say ''there is no closeness' or we aren't friends. Different thing.

[MrWong]

its not really for EITHER of them. austin is too thick to realise that - even though James has tried to tell him numerous times - to his face - but he still doesn't get it.

We will have to agree to disagree I'm afraid.

[jaxie]

I understand exactly what you are saying Mystic, because loyalty is high up on my list of qualities. Sadly, many people don't seem to put much store by it - as demonstrated on this very thread.

What James did to Austin was spiteful, hurtful, designed to eliminate. You don't do that to 'friends'.

But I think that James is the sort of person who goes about his life, very charming and friendly, on the surface a pleasant person - but underneath he is something else. He has no substance or moral compass.

I would say that the most hurtful people are not those who shout or swear, but those who say things 'in the nicest possible way', calmly and with the pretence of doing it for your own good, while really putting in the psychological knife.

Give me a 'shouter' any day of the week.

I don't think blind
Loyalty is worth having. I'd have had less respect for James if he just went along with Austin on everything, even when Austin says unacceptable things.

[Patricia4]

Who can agree with Austin if he's a mate or not Austin is vile he was nasty to Chloe he's had a go at Bobby he fell out with Farrah he tried a argument with Stevi he mad mouthed Jenna then he's been at Janice all the way through the show.
James did the right thing he knew that Austin was a nasty piece of crap.

[downthechippie]

I don't think blind
Loyalty is worth having. I'd have had less respect for James if he just went along with Austin on everything, even when Austin says unacceptable things.

oh, I too would have respected James if he had told Austin straight that he was totally pissed off with his attitude, so much so that it was affecting his feelings of friendship towards him. What jars with me, is the way he ca\vorts with Austin, all the banter and closeness, as though they were good friends. All this talk of people not getting close in a few weeks is just not true. People can get very very close in a few weeks if they are sharing experiences and time and proximity with each other 24/7.

What has made me dislike James is his cold bloodedness. His ability to be emotionally aloof from someone who obviously cares a lot for him - i.e. Austin. James knows how Austin feels about him and James is not being open and honest.

That is not nice.

[downthechippie]

Who can agree with Austin if he's a mate or not Austin is vile he was nasty to Chloe he's had a go at Bobby he fell out with Farrah he tried a argument with Stevi he mad mouthed Jenna then he's been at Janice all the way through the show.
James did the right thing he knew that Austin was a nasty piece of crap.

If James told Austin that he thought he was a 'nasty piece of crap', then I'd have respect for James. Instead James pretends to like Austin. Says he is nominating him 'for his own good' type thing.

That's what makes James a rather low-life character. in my opinion.

[jet]

I think Austin is quite obsessed with James who on the other hand sees (or did see) Austin as someone to hang out and have fun with - and they did have fun together and got on well. I think James began to feel uncomfortable when the married Austin started behaving inappropriately towards him. James could have made a big deal out of it but he handled the 'situations' when they arose brilliantly. imo Austin reads far more into their relationship than actually exists (whether its sexual or just friendship) and I think the public have bought into it and has seen them as some devoted, inseparable pair who have to be loyal to each other no matter what.
James has said Austin is his best friend in the house which means just that - he simply gets on with him best and that is it, no more, no less. He has no reason to keep quiet about Austin's treatment of an older lady and if it had been anyone else doing the same thing he would have spoken up just the same.
Remember he got at Farrah as well for the way she spoke to people. He may come across as a bit sanctimonious at times but I think that is due to the fact he was brought up by his grandparents and his views could be seen nowadays as 'old - fashioned' - like respect for your elders etc. I for one think it is quite refreshing.

[Vanessa]

I think Austin is quite obsessed with James who on the other hand sees (or did see) Austin as someone to hang out and have fun with - and they did have fun together and got on well. I think James began to feel uncomfortable when the married Austin started behaving inappropriately towards him. James could have made a big deal out of it but he handled the 'situations' when they arose brilliantly. imo Austin reads far more into their relationship than actually exists (whether its sexual or just friendship) and I think the public have bought into it and has seen them as some devoted, inseparable pair who have to be loyal to each other no matter what.
James has said Austin is his best friend in the house which means just that - he simply gets on with him best and that is it, no more, no less. He has no reason to keep quiet about Austin's treatment of an older lady and if it had been anyone else doing the same thing he would have spoken up just the same.
Remember he got at Farrah as well for the way she spoke to people. He may come across as a bit sanctimonious at times but I think that is due to the fact he was brought up by his grandparents and his views could be seen nowadays as 'old - fashioned' - like respect for your elders etc. I for one think it is quite refreshing.

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[downthechippie]

I think Austin is quite obsessed with James who on the other hand sees (or did see) Austin as someone to hang out and have fun with - and they did have fun together and got on well. I think James began to feel uncomfortable when the married Austin started behaving inappropriately towards him. James could have made a big deal out of it but he handled the 'situations' when they arose brilliantly. imo Austin reads far more into their relationship than actually exists (whether its sexual or just friendship) and I think the public have bought into it and has seen them as some devoted, inseparable pair who have to be loyal to each other no matter what.
James has said Austin is his best friend in the house which means just that - he simply gets on with him best and that is it, no more, no less. He has no reason to keep quiet about Austin's treatment of an older lady and if it had been anyone else doing the same thing he would have spoken up just the same.
Remember he got at Farrah as well for the way she spoke to people. He may come across as a bit sanctimonious at times but I think that is due to the fact he was brought up by his grandparents and his views could be seen nowadays as 'old - fashioned' - like respect for your elders etc. I for one think it is quite refreshing.

Isn't it strange how people can come to completely different conclusions, based on the same actions. You find James' character 'old-fashioned' and 'quite refreshing'. I find him without any moral fiber whatsoever and so far from 'old fashioned' as is possible to get.

He knows that Austin has a thing for him. James knows that austin feels strongly for him. Yet James disapproves of Austin's behaviour, so much so that he nominates him for eviction. Yet he still pretends to be his 'best friend in the house'. He still plays along with it all. Why? Because he thinks this will endear him to the public, not because he feels any friendship towards Austin.

James is a typical 'tease' and a not very nice character.

[jet]

oh, I too would have respected James if he had told Austin straight that he was totally pissed off with his attitude, so much so that it was affecting his feelings of friendship towards him. What jars with me, is the way he ca\vorts with Austin, all the banter and closeness, as though they were good friends. All this talk of people not getting close in a few weeks is just not true. People can get very very close in a few weeks if they are sharing experiences and time and proximity with each other 24/7.

What has made me dislike James is his cold bloodedness. His ability to be emotionally aloof from someone who obviously cares a lot for him - i.e. Austin. James knows how Austin feels about him and James is not being open and honest.

That is not nice.

He did speak to him about his attitude, several times!
Of course James is going to banter with Austin - they hang out together and have fun. It doesn't mean they have to swear undying loyalty to each other no matter if one of them behaves like a bullying lout.

[jet]

Isn't it strange how people can come to completely different conclusions, based on the same actions. You find James' character 'old-fashioned' and 'quite refreshing'. I find him without any moral fiber whatsoever and so far from 'old fashioned' as is possible to get.

He knows that Austin has a thing for him. James knows that austin feels strongly for him. Yet James disapproves of Austin's behaviour, so much so that he nominates him for eviction. Yet he still pretends to be his 'best friend in the house'. He still plays along with it all. Why? Because he thinks this will endear him to the public, not because he feels any friendship towards Austin.

James is a typical 'tease' and a not very nice character.

Yep, different strokes for different folks.
James IS Austin's best friend in the house. He tried to talk to him over and over about his attitude and when he disregarded him and disrespected him by ganging up on him with Jenna on two occasions he nominated him along with Jenna. He had no problems with anyone else in the house. Even though Austin once again spewed a torrent of horrendous abuse at an elderly woman he is still a friend to him. Sounds like a good mate to me.

[just thinkin]

If James told Austin that he thought he was a 'nasty piece of crap', then I'd have respect for James. Instead James pretends to like Austin. Says he is nominating him 'for his own good' type thing.

That's what makes James a rather low-life character. in my opinion.


and we can all see why he nominated him for his own good - he did the right thing. Look at his antics last night.

[just thinkin]

oh, I too would have respected James if he had told Austin straight that he was totally pissed off with his attitude, so much so that it was affecting his feelings of friendship towards him. What jars with me, is the way he ca\vorts with Austin, all the banter and closeness, as though they were good friends. All this talk of people not getting close in a few weeks is just not true. People can get very very close in a few weeks if they are sharing experiences and time and proximity with each other 24/7.

What has made me dislike James is his cold bloodedness. His ability to be emotionally aloof from someone who obviously cares a lot for him - i.e. Austin. James knows how Austin feels about him and James is not being open and honest.

That is not nice.


he did - and a lot more than once. Austin 'Im always right' Amoroso didn't want to listen and instead went off on a rant.

[poppsywoppsy]

I think Austin is quite obsessed with James who on the other hand sees (or did see) Austin as someone to hang out and have fun with - and they did have fun together and got on well. I think James began to feel uncomfortable when the married Austin started behaving inappropriately towards him. James could have made a big deal out of it but he handled the 'situations' when they arose brilliantly. imo Austin reads far more into their relationship than actually exists (whether its sexual or just friendship) and I think the public have bought into it and has seen them as some devoted, inseparable pair who have to be loyal to each other no matter what.
James has said Austin is his best friend in the house which means just that - he simply gets on with him best and that is it, no more, no less. He has no reason to keep quiet about Austin's treatment of an older lady and if it had been anyone else doing the same thing he would have spoken up just the same.
Remember he got at Farrah as well for the way she spoke to people. He may come across as a bit sanctimonious at times but I think that is due to the fact he was brought up by his grandparents and his views could be seen nowadays as 'old - fashioned' - like respect for your elders etc. I for one think it is quite refreshing.

Spot on

[MrWong]

Who can agree with Austin if he's a mate or not Austin is vile he was nasty to Chloe he's had a go at Bobby he fell out with Farrah he tried a argument with Stevi he mad mouthed Jenna then he's been at Janice all the way through the show.
James did the right thing he knew that Austin was a nasty piece of crap.

Yes Austin has done all of that from the very beginning.

James did 'the right thing' as soon as Austin challenged his insincere decision to save Chloe for Janice.

[jet]

Yes Austin has done all of that from the very beginning.

James did 'the right thing' as soon as Austin challenged his insincere decision to save Chloe for Janice.

James did the right thing because 1) his 'best friend' Austin ganged up on him with his new sidekick Jenna twice over because James has a different opinion of and respects someone who they don't. 2) Austin has turned out to be a bullying lout who yells at and insults an elderly woman and a woman (Chloe) who he perceives as weak and won't yell back.
Sound reasons for a nomination in anyone's book.

[MrWong]

James did the right thing because 1) his 'best friend' Austin ganged up on him with his new sidekick Jenna twice over because James has a different opinion of and respects someone who they don't. 2) Austin has turned out to be a bullying lout who yells at and insults an elderly woman and a woman (Chloe) who he perceives as weak and won't yell back.
Sound reasons for a nomination in anyone's book.

Ganged up lol Just cause James says it doesn't make it true.

They both didn't buy his reason for saving Janice and whenever either of them made a valid point James would close the conversation down and walk away.

Exactly like he did on The Apprentice.

A week ago James didn't give a **** about Chloe and told Stevie to back off and let her stand on her own two feet.

[jet]

Ganged up lol Just cause James says it doesn't make it true.

They both didn't buy his reason for saving Janice and whenever either of them made a valid point James would close the conversation down and walk away.

Exactly like he did on The Apprentice.

A week ago James didn't give a **** about Chloe and told Stevie to back off and let her stand on her own two feet.

Well I seen them ganging up on him. Jenna on one side, Austin on the other, questioning him over and over and not listening to what he had to say. After calmly trying to explain half a dozen times he very sensibly said enough was enough and walked away. James is brilliant in that kind of situation. If he feels he isn't being listened to or he's being talked over, he removes himself rather than shouting and getting nasty.
He told Austin he felt ganged up on afterwards, but as usual Austin didn't listen and he and Jenna did the exact same thing the next day.

[Dominic]

Let's end this with both suck.

[jet]

Let's end this with both suck.

James is great.