View Full Version : James: It doesn't make sense...
...That he would nominate Austin to gain votes. He's a smart guy, and he would know that nominating his best friend would lose him support and only make Austin fans vote even more to save him.
and why would he nom Austin, who was in the top four to be saved? It's so ridiculous his reasons have to be genuine...
If you look at what the others who nommed him said it shows how difficult Austin was being and how bad he was making people feel:
Bobby: he has an ugly side, a temper, refuses to accept people have a different opinion to him; no need for him to shout and scream and swear at people.
Natasha: he's carrying around a lot of hate and anger that explodes into the house several times a day and when he's unhappy the whole house hears about it.
Clovie: the way he addresses other HM's is unsettling, when he pops at Chloe (Stevie said) it gets his blood boiling
James: the way he treats people and goes off isn't acceptable, its hard for me because I have to make the right decision and as much as I love him how he's behaving is wrong.
James would also have known that Austin was going to get nommed and be up anyway, regardless of whether he nommed him or not.
Conclusion: James was genuine because otherwise it doesn't make any sense.
Vanessa
23-09-2015, 01:12 PM
He had no choice. Austin was getting worse with his behaviour and was not listening to anyone. This way the only way to make him pay attention.
jaxie
23-09-2015, 01:23 PM
I agree with the OP. I do think James is genuine and he does have his own moral compass that he seems to stick to. I am pretty sure I get James. He reminds me a great deal of someone I know who also has very strong morals and is a lovely man and interestingly the person I know was also raised by his grandparents.
Vanessa
23-09-2015, 01:24 PM
I agree with the OP. I do think James is genuine and he does have his own moral compass that he seems to stick to. I am pretty sure I get James. He reminds me a great deal of someone I know who also has very strong morals and is a lovely man and interestingly the person I know was also raised by his grandparents.
yes. I love his friendship with Austin and i'm glad they're back on track. I get the feeling they could be the final two.
jaxie
23-09-2015, 01:36 PM
yes. I love his friendship with Austin and i'm glad they're back on track. I get the feeling they could be the final two.
Austin is another matter for me now. I will be appalled if he wins. He should be the first to leave the final.
Withano
23-09-2015, 01:38 PM
I prefer him for nomming that ****, I'm sure others do too
Withano
23-09-2015, 01:40 PM
I wouldnt call it genuine though, more self-righteous. He might aswell have said "look at me, im such a hero, im doing whats best for the group cos im SUCH a great guy. God im cool lemme take my top off and play wih my hair."
I wouldnt call it genuine though, more self-righteous. He might aswell have said "look at me, im such a hero, im doing whats best for the group cos im SUCH a great guy. God im cool lemme take my top off and play wih my hair."
:laugh:
Yes well, but I think he's just like that, highly principled about things like horrible behaviour towards an elderly woman but a bit sanctimonious with it. All in all, I think he's fair and good hearted and I'm very impressed by his manners. . I think that comes from being brought up by grandparents from an era of old fashioned courtesy and respecting your elders. He does seem old fashioned to me in a lot of ways. I think it's nice.
camertone
23-09-2015, 02:07 PM
it was strictly a strategy that blew up on his face. he was playing a smart and tactical game until then. sadly for him, he is now exposed.
when austin is wrong, he and admits and apologizes. when james is wrong, he gets defensive and angry, and storms off. he thinks of himself, a saint, so smug.
it was strictly a strategy that blew up on his face. he was playing a smart and tactical game until then. sadly for him, he is now exposed.
when austin is wrong, he and admits and apologizes. when james is wrong, he gets defensive and angry, and storms off. he thinks of himself, a saint, so smug.
When Austin is wrong, he apologizes and then does the same again, only worse (His tirade at Janice).
James is consistent, he sticks to his guns and walks off when people won't listen and accept his opinion and keep harassing him.
Can you tell me what you think his strict strategy was?
Cherie
23-09-2015, 02:15 PM
He had no choice. Austin was getting worse with his behaviour and was not listening to anyone. This way the only way to make him pay attention.
They can't discuss nom are you suggesting he knew they would be aired?
They can't discuss nom are you suggesting he knew they would be aired?
I think Vanessa meant just being up for nomination might make him pay attention.
Stormy
23-09-2015, 02:55 PM
It was not strategy or betrayal on James part, it was egotism and self-righteousness. In his mind he believed he was doing the right thing.
James has a moral set of codes, which is fine for him...but he preaches too much and thinks he needs to teach Austin a lesson.
Personally, I think James went too far. As much as I dislike Austin's behaviour, it's not James' business to teach Austin a lesson. Honestly, he's only known the bloke for a few weeks...he's not his brother or his father and it's very egotistical for James to think he must 'punish' Austin.
It was not strategy or betrayal on James part, it was egotism and self-righteousness. In his mind he believed he was doing the right thing.
James has a moral set of codes, which is fine for him...but he preaches too much and thinks he needs to teach Austin a lesson.
Personally, I think James went too far. As much as I dislike Austin's behaviour, it's not James' business to teach Austin a lesson. Honestly, he's only known the bloke for a few weeks...he's not his brother or his father and it's very egotistical for James to think he must 'punish' Austin.
Did James say he did it to 'teach him a lesson and punish him' though? I just heard him say he was nominating him because his "behaviour was wrong" which it was. Not any different from what the other 3 who nominated Austin said...
James and Austin are sort of seen as joined at the hip and a 'pair'. If one person of a pair behaves horrendously and the other says nothing, it looks as if they condone it and then it kind of reflects on them too. So they speak to the other person and hope they listen...but they ignore them...so they speak to them about it once more and are ignored again....and so on....really I think James was between a rock and a hard place. If he'd said nothing to Austin people would be saying he was a suck ass or not a good friend! :shrug: I agree with you that he goes on too much but I think he's stubborn and doesn't like his well meaning advice being ignored. ha!
Stormy
23-09-2015, 03:34 PM
Did James say he did it to 'teach him a lesson and punish him' though? I just heard him say he was nominating him because his "behaviour was wrong" which it was. Not any different from what the other 3 who nominated Austin said...
James and Austin are sort of seen as joined at the hip and a 'pair'. If one person of a pair behaves horrendously and the other says nothing, it looks as if they condone it and then it kind of reflects on them too. So they speak to the other person and hope they listen...but they ignore them...so they speak to them about it once more and are ignored again....and so on....really I think James was between a rock and a hard place. If he'd said nothing to Austin people would be saying he was a suck ass or not a good friend! :shrug:
Don't get me wrong. I actually like James and agree with his feelings about how Austin behaves...and loved when he took Austin up on his behaviour. That is what moved James up to my top 2 favs.
I'm just responding to the op's question of motive. I think he really thought he was teaching him a lesson rather than making a strategic move.
camertone
23-09-2015, 03:45 PM
james could easily take austin aside and correct him, instead secretly in diary room, backstabbing his friend, which blew up in his face when exposed and he couldn't come up with any sensible excuses. teach him lesson by evicting? so much bullsh*t.
Don't get me wrong. I actually like James and agree with his feelings about how Austin behaves...and loved when he took Austin up on his behaviour. That is what moved James up to my top 2 favs.
I'm just responding to the op's question of motive. I think he really thought he was teaching him a lesson rather than making a strategic move.
Yep! I can't see any 'strategy' in his actions that would make sense.
camertone
23-09-2015, 03:47 PM
tactical move and he thought no one would know until show is over.. wrong.. lol
Ashley.
23-09-2015, 03:51 PM
I think it was tactical. That, and he didn't think Austin would see it so he thought he was in the clear.
Dollface
23-09-2015, 03:54 PM
Well now that Janice has been evicted and Austin has been saved by the public, I think it'll become clear whether James was being genuine or not. Let's see if he starts to backtrack now he knows the majority of the public was on Austins side.
Stormy
23-09-2015, 03:58 PM
Well now that Janice has been evicted and Austin has been saved by the public, I think it'll become clear whether James was being genuine or not. Let's see if he starts to backtrack now he knows the majority of the public was on Austins side.
I don't know how James can really backtrack.
Janice & Jenna are gone...so Austin's irritant and encouragement are both gone. There won't be anymore outbursts from him. As a result James and Austin will have a lot of fun until the finale.
I think it was tactical. That, and he didn't think Austin would see it so he thought he was in the clear.
The public would see it and they are the ones that vote.
I've explained in the OP why I think it wasn't tactical and strategic, but no -one that thinks it was has actually set out their reasons why they think so.
I don't know how James can really backtrack.
Janice & Jenna are gone...so Austin's irritant and encouragement are both gone. There won't be anymore outbursts from him. As a result James and Austin will have a lot of fun until the finale.
This ^^^
The 2 of them having a good time together has been a series HL.
Vanessa
23-09-2015, 04:10 PM
Austin was kept not because the public is on his side. Because the public likes his bromance with James. If you look at the polls they're both top three.
Dollface
23-09-2015, 04:11 PM
I don't know how James can really backtrack.
Janice & Jenna are gone...so Austin's irritant and encouragement are both gone. There won't be anymore outbursts from him. As a result James and Austin will have a lot of fun until the finale.
True, i'd forgotten that with Janice being evicted there wont be anymore altercations between Austin and her for James to get involved in :laugh: but I guess he could start bitching about Janice to Austin now that she's gone, which would sort of be backtracking, idk.
True, i'd forgotten that with Janice being evicted there wont be anymore altercations between Austin and her for James to get involved in :laugh: but I guess he could start bitching about Janice to Austin now that she's gone, which would sort of be backtracking, idk.
I doubt it. James isn't a bitchy sort of person.
Vanessa
23-09-2015, 04:31 PM
I doubt it. James isn't a bitchy sort of person.
True, James is very chilled out and laid Back. He likes everyone to get on and hates conflict.
Ironman25
23-09-2015, 07:28 PM
It's quite simple: James is playing the game (better and more strategic than anyone ever before). James has as much interest in continuing a friendship with Austin as I have in the vagina. The most real, honest moment James displayed in the house was telling Austin that he doesn't really know him.
Robodog
23-09-2015, 07:44 PM
No it was SO tactical for a few reasons.
1. Who else was he going to vote? Clovi, Sherrie, Bobby, Janice and Natasha are all well known and liked by the public far more than Austin and Jenna. James knows this. No one's ever heard of Austin before the show and Jenna is a porn star so that's not national treasure material like the other HMs. It was a crowd pleasing vote to avoid the 'nice' HMs and vote for the two lesser known 'bad guy' HMs.
2. The 'moral crusader' James used the vote to show the world once again just how moral and wonderful he is by voting for 'right over wrong' even when it's his own mates he has to turn over! Forget the fact that REAL mates would just pull you aside to tell you about your bad behaviour, not NOMINATE you as a 'punishment'; there is no logic in doing that other than to advertise your own nauseating self of self-righteousness. His friendships in the house (as he even let slip to Austin) are NOT REAL.
James nommed Austin and Jenna purely for his own gain and to bolster his public image as this moral crusader, not afraid to make tough choices in the name of righteousness, even at the expense of his own friendships. Yuk, what a load of BS.
Beetlejuice
23-09-2015, 07:45 PM
The only thing you need going into a final vote to win vote is the spotlight on you and controversy. James's support intensified after he did what he did, even though many people have gone off him. But the desired effect was summed up by Bobby's reaction to it all "I think it took strength of character". That was what James was going for... He wanted to be both a sympathetic figure for being faced with such a predicament and a hero for doing what was "right". He wanted to be celebrated for his strength, his moral courage, his integrity. Either way, all eyes were on him. If you disappear into the background on this show you have no chance.
Similarly, Austin's support has intensified after the HL show where he lashed out and broke down.
All I'll say is that I have always found Austin to be a genuine guy. He's a warts and all person, but I do at least feel like I've got to know him over the last few weeks. James increasingly seems to have been hiding behind a mask.
rusticgal
23-09-2015, 07:47 PM
...That he would nominate Austin to gain votes. He's a smart guy, and he would know that nominating his best friend would lose him support and only make Austin fans vote even more to save him.
and why would he nom Austin, who was in the top four to be saved? It's so ridiculous his reasons have to be genuine...
If you look at what the others who nommed him said it shows how difficult Austin was being and how bad he was making people feel:
Bobby: he has an ugly side, a temper, refuses to accept people have a different opinion to him; no need for him to shout and scream and swear at people.
Natasha: he's carrying around a lot of hate and anger that explodes into the house several times a day and when he's unhappy the whole house hears about it.
Clovie: the way he addresses other HM's is unsettling, when he pops at Chloe (Stevie said) it gets his blood boiling
James: the way he treats people and goes off isn't acceptable, its hard for me because I have to make the right decision and as much as I love him how he's behaving is wrong.
James would also have known that Austin was going to get nommed and be up anyway, regardless of whether he nommed him or not.
Conclusion: James was genuine because otherwise it doesn't make any sense.
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Robodog
23-09-2015, 07:47 PM
The only thing you need going into a final vote to win vote is the spotlight on you and controversy. James's support intensified after he did what he did, even though many people have gone off him. But the desired effect was summed up by Bobby's reaction to it all "I think it took strength of character". That was what James was going for... He wanted to be both a sympathetic figure for being faced with such a predicament and a hero for doing what was "right". He wanted to be celebrated for his strength, his moral courage, his integrity for doing what was right.
Similarly, Austin's support has intensified after the HL show where he lashed out and broke down.
All I'll say, is that I have always found Austin to be a genuine guy. He's a warts and all person, but I do at least feel like I've got to know him over the last few weeks. James increasingly seems to have been hiding behind a mask.
100% agree
joeysteele
23-09-2015, 07:53 PM
james could easily take austin aside and correct him, instead secretly in diary room, backstabbing his friend, which blew up in his face when exposed and he couldn't come up with any sensible excuses. teach him lesson by evicting? so much bullsh*t.
I agree.
In a competitive enviroment, after seeing especially the surprise eviction of Scoop,who was believed by housemates to be a real frontrunner.
A true friend not knowing if there would be a single or double eviction too, would then never put at risk the place the person they claimed to be a real friend of,had in the house.
James was way out of order in my view and he beacme from that moment, if I was to ever know him, someone I would probably never trust again.
It worked out okay in the end for Austin,who it seems the voting public stuck with.
I wonder however what James and the others reactions would have been had Austin been evicted.
It was a very devious, wrong and telling move for me as to James and his real character.
Beetlejuice
23-09-2015, 07:55 PM
Forget the fact that REAL mates would just pull you aside to tell you about your bad behaviour, not NOMINATE you as a 'punishment'; there is no logic in doing that other than to advertise your own nauseating self of self-righteousness.
Exactly.
It's quite simple: James is playing the game (better and more strategic than anyone ever before). James has as much interest in continuing a friendship with Austin as I have in the vagina. The most real, honest moment James displayed in the house was telling Austin that he doesn't really know him.
I don't recall James ever saying he wanted to continue a friendship with Austin outside? It is Austin who keeps pursuing it.
It is far more likely that it is AUSTIN who is playing the game. Have a steamy bromance in the house with the go ahead from his HUSBAND. Otherwise, he is being a two timing slag (which is what a married woman would be called if she was coming on to and pursuing a good looking single guy.) It was either pre - planned or he is being disrespectful to the man he has been married to for 6? years.
No it was SO tactical for a few reasons.
1. Who else was he going to vote? Clovi, Sherrie, Bobby, Janice and Natasha are all well known and liked by the public far more than Austin and Jenna. James knows this. No one's ever heard of Austin before the show and Jenna is a porn star so that's not national treasure material like the other HMs. It was a crowd pleasing vote to avoid the 'nice' HMs and vote for the two lesser known 'bad guy' HMs.
2. The 'moral crusader' James used the vote to show the world once again just how moral and wonderful he is by voting for 'right over wrong' even when it's his own mates he has to turn over! Forget the fact that REAL mates would just pull you aside to tell you about your bad behaviour, not NOMINATE you as a 'punishment'; there is no logic in doing that other than to advertise your own nauseating self of self-righteousness. His friendships in the house (as he even let slip to Austin) are NOT REAL.
James nommed Austin and Jenna purely for his own gain and to bolster his public image as this moral crusader, not afraid to make tough choices in the name of righteousness, even at the expense of his own friendships. Yuk, what a load of BS.
1. It wasn't a crowd pleasing vote because Austin was one of the top four saved. Sherrie and Bobby weren't.
2. He did pull him aside, several times, and Austin ignored him. I gave my reasons why I think James nominated him in my previous posts and I believe those reasons are entirely logical and possible. James has a rather sanctimonious air but I think his reasoning comes from a good place and it's his nature, just as Austin has a hot headed rude nature but has good in him too.
Beetlejuice
23-09-2015, 09:16 PM
1. It wasn't a crowd pleasing vote because Austin was one of the top four saved. Sherrie and Bobby weren't.
Who was spending more time with Jenna, clearly the most unpopular housemate. It was also a way of highlighting how "bad" Austin has become. Look, even his friend is nominating him! How can people actually vote for a guy when his friend is even nominating him!
2. He did pull him aside, several times, and Austin ignored him. I gave my reasons why I think James nominated him in my previous posts and I believe those reasons are entirely logical and possible. James has a rather sanctimonious air but I think his reasoning comes from a good place and it's his nature, just as Austin has a hot headed rude nature but has good in him too.
James is smarmy. He's a con artist with a product to sell, and that product is himself.
Vanessa
23-09-2015, 09:20 PM
Not sure it's just friendship Austin is after. :hehe:
Who was spending more time with Jenna, clearly the most unpopular housemate. It was also a way of highlighting how "bad" Austin has become. Look, even his friend is nominating him! How can people actually vote for a guy when his friend is even nominating him!
That's stretching it...as if the public can't process what they see and make up their own minds.
Not sure it's just friendship Austin is after. :hehe:
He was after a steamy bromance cooked up with his husbands permission for airtime and he played it well. He really stepped it up tonight for camera time with the final looming. James was crapping himself at one point. :hehe:
Vanessa
23-09-2015, 10:06 PM
He was after a steamy bromance cooked up with his husbands permission for airtime and he played it well. He really stepped it up tonight for camera time with the final looming. James was crapping himself at one point. :hehe:
No, he wants to ...... him :hehe:
No, he wants to ...... him :hehe:
Yeah, that too. :laugh:
Vanessa
23-09-2015, 10:10 PM
Yeah, that too. :laugh:
Let's be honest : who wouldn't? James is gorgeous! :love:
Mystic Mock
23-09-2015, 11:16 PM
:laugh:
Yes well, but I think he's just like that, highly principled about things like horrible behaviour towards an elderly woman but a bit sanctimonious with it. All in all, I think he's fair and good hearted and I'm very impressed by his manners. . I think that comes from being brought up by grandparents from an era of old fashioned courtesy and respecting your elders. He does seem old fashioned to me in a lot of ways. I think it's nice.
Old fashioned is not nice it's backward.
He nominated his so called friend because he got wound up by the older lady deliberately antagonising him in the house instead of defending Austin, and do you want to know why? It's the majority of the public are like you that don't think that younger people should argue on the old folk even if the older people are deliberately being antagonistic to the younger person, and James only serves James.
And btw you don't find it the least bit suspicious that most of Team UK nominated Austin? Especially the ones that “like” James?
Old fashioned is not nice it's backward.
He nominated his so called friend because he got wound up by the older lady deliberately antagonising him in the house instead of defending Austin, and do you want to know why? It's the majority of the public are like you that don't think that younger people should argue on the old folk even if the older people are deliberately being antagonistic to the younger person, and James only serves James.
And btw you don't find it the least bit suspicious that most of Team UK nominated Austin? Especially the ones that “like” James?
What a ridiculous statement. The particular attribute being referred to is James moral code, and morals is something that is sadly being eroded over time. So I cannot possibly agree with you on that point
Mystic Mock
23-09-2015, 11:28 PM
That's stretching it...as if the public can't process what they see and make up their own minds.
You give the public too much credit with these Reality Shows.
Ironman25
23-09-2015, 11:36 PM
I don't recall James ever saying he wanted to continue a friendship with Austin outside? It is Austin who keeps pursuing it.
It is far more likely that it is AUSTIN who is playing the game. Have a steamy bromance in the house with the go ahead from his HUSBAND. Otherwise, he is being a two timing slag (which is what a married woman would be called if she was coming on to and pursuing a good looking single guy.) It was either pre - planned or he is being disrespectful to the man he has been married to for 6? years.
You're right, James never said he had any interest in a friendship with Austin outside the house.
James is quite bright and someone who plays to win. I suspect that James examined the demographics of likely voters and also determined which strategies/interpersonal dynamics that led past housemates to success in the house and continued success after the series. From this information I suspect James planned his strategy (including options depending on a few variables) and has stuck to the plan. There have been a few times I think he has come close to breaking.
Mystic Mock
23-09-2015, 11:37 PM
What a ridiculous statement. The particular attribute being referred to is James moral code, and morals is something that is sadly being eroded over time. So I cannot possibly agree with you on that point
Morals aren't eroding that's the ridiculous statement, what people perceive as “moral” depends on the times that you was brought up in.
I personally don't see how a younger person arguing on an older person if the older person is being antagonistic to the younger person is a good old fashioned value to have tbh, so yes it's backward.
Did I agree with everything that Austin said to Janice? No, but does it make him in the wrong entirely because his arguing on an elder? No it doesn't and anyone that thinks that is wrong.
Mystic Mock
23-09-2015, 11:40 PM
Let's be honest : who wouldn't? James is gorgeous! :love:
Well it's the only reason why James in even gonna get votes in the final imo.
And some people thought that Cristian was boring.
What a ridiculous statement. The particular attribute being referred to is James moral code, and morals is something that is sadly being eroded over time. So I cannot possibly agree with you on that point
:clap1:
Well it's the only reason why James in even gonna get votes in the final imo.
And some people thought that Cristian was boring.
You do realize you are disrespecting many of James's fans? :mad:
Stormy
24-09-2015, 01:36 AM
You're right, James never said he had any interest in a friendship with Austin outside the house.
James is quite bright and someone who plays to win. I suspect that James examined the demographics of likely voters and also determined which strategies/interpersonal dynamics that led past housemates to success in the house and continued success after the series. From this information I suspect James planned his strategy (including options depending on a few variables) and has stuck to the plan. There have been a few times I think he has come close to breaking.
You're giving James too much credit. :laugh:
He most likely went in with a plan to be the 'good guy' and avoid losing his temper...which is what he tried to do.
Austin clung onto him...he was bored and having some fun,...and it turned into a bromance....but in no way does James think of Austin as anything more than 'my mate in the house" as he keeps saying.
Austin kept pushing the friendship outside the house...and when he pushed too far, James tried to set him straight with the 'we don't really know each other" talk.
Austin, and the public, made more of the 'bromance' than what it was and are villifying James because he didn't share the same feelings as Austin.
That's were all the 'slimy', 'massive game playing', 'machiavellian strategist' bullsh!t comes from...when it is probably just a case of one guy thinks the friendship is serious while the other feels it's just casual. When the guy who thought it a casual friendship got super annoyed with his housemate, he put him up. No betrayal, no massive well thought out strategy.
As James told Austin many times, he wouldn't have been bothered if Austin put him up. James hangs around Austin because there's nothing else to do and it's good for a laugh...but he hasn't connected to him emotionally at all....and he's never pretended to.
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BigBrotherfan4ever
24-09-2015, 06:56 AM
...That he would nominate Austin to gain votes. He's a smart guy, and he would know that nominating his best friend would lose him support and only make Austin fans vote even more to save him.
and why would he nom Austin, who was in the top four to be saved? It's so ridiculous his reasons have to be genuine...
If you look at what the others who nommed him said it shows how difficult Austin was being and how bad he was making people feel:
Bobby: he has an ugly side, a temper, refuses to accept people have a different opinion to him; no need for him to shout and scream and swear at people.
Natasha: he's carrying around a lot of hate and anger that explodes into the house several times a day and when he's unhappy the whole house hears about it.
Clovie: the way he addresses other HM's is unsettling, when he pops at Chloe (Stevie said) it gets his blood boiling
James: the way he treats people and goes off isn't acceptable, its hard for me because I have to make the right decision and as much as I love him how he's behaving is wrong.
James would also have known that Austin was going to get nommed and be up anyway, regardless of whether he nommed him or not.
Conclusion: James was genuine because otherwise it doesn't make any sense.
Exactly , all the HMs can't all be wrong about Austin behaviour, so I don't know why James is getting all flack for it, I know hes his mate in there but at end of the day it's a game.
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