700 killed at Hajj with 800 hundred injured.

[Cherie]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/24/mecca-crush-during-hajj-kills-at-least-100-saudi-state-tv


My friend and her husband are at this I just hope they are safe.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This happens every year no?

[Cherie]

This happens every year no?

Not every year no, but it has happened alot

[Crimson Dynamo]

its a wonder their god allows it

[Livia]

God doesn't have a great track record of saving his followers.

[Kizzy]

its a wonder their god allows it

Would your god allow it?

I hope your friends are safe Cherie.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Would your god allow it?

I hope your friends are safe Cherie.

i dont have a god. As livia says they all do not have a good track record of looking after their own

Its almost like they dont exist

[Cherie]

its a wonder their god allows it

Bit dismissive just because they are observing their faith if similar happened at a football match or a concert would you be so blasé

[Lostie!]

Awful. :sad:

[Cherie]

Would your god allow it?

I hope your friends are safe Cherie.

Thanks Kizzy Ive texted but no word as yet

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bit dismissive just because they are observing their faith if similar happened at a football match or a concert would you be so blasé


Football fans do not suggest that say West Ham manager Slaven Bilic made the world, made the uiniverse, invented people and is all powerful and there is nothing he cannot do.

They more just hope he can keep west ham in the prem and maybe win a cup

Its not the same

[Livia]

Football fans do not suggest that say West Ham manager Slaven Bilic made the world, made the uiniverse, invented people and is all powerful and there is nothing he cannot do.

They more just hope he can keep west ham in the prem and maybe win a cup

Its not the same

We're second in the league... that's divine.

[Kizzy]

i dont have a god. As livia says they all do not have a good track record of looking after their own

Its almost like they dont exist

Or.... not many understand the concept of faith.

[lostalex]

Or.... not many understand the concept of faith.

the concept of faith is that you choose to believe in something with absolutely no evidence to support it, right? I totally understand it.

[Kazanne]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/24/mecca-crush-during-hajj-kills-at-least-100-saudi-state-tv


My friend and her husband are at this I just hope they are safe.

How does that even happen ? 700 !!!! it's a massive amount,I hope your friends are ok Cherie,:bawling:

[bots]

very disrespectful responses to a tragic event

[AnnieK]

We're second in the league... that's divine.

**cough** third **cough**

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well I hope you feel better now you got your anti religious dig in despite hundreds of families and friends being affected by this, must be great to be you.

Religion caused the deaths and the sooner people realise the better. Hopefully it will save lives in the future. I make no apology for digs at a disgusting affront to humanity that is organised religion.

[AnnieK]

what do you want 2 pages of RIP posts?

No, but maybe a little compassion as a forum members friends are there?!

[Kizzy]

Religion caused the deaths and the sooner people realise the better. Hopefully it will save lives in the future. I make no apology for digs at a disgusting affront to humanity that is organised religion.

As a rule I would agree with this in the main, I'm not the biggest fan of organised religion either. Yet I don't feel they should be denied compassion and empathy because they are religious.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As a rule I would agree with this yet I don't feel they should be denied compassion and empathy because they are religious.

I dont think i said they do

alex however..

[King Gizzard]

RIP

[Josy]

Can we NOT turn this into another LT plus a few others against God rant thread and have some respect to the hundreds that have lost their lives. Thanks

[Cherie]

How does that even happen ? 700 !!!! it's a massive amount,I hope your friends are ok Cherie,:bawling:

very disrespectful responses to a tragic event

I dont think i said they do

alex however..

LostAlex is looking for a ban I guess :shrug:

[Josy]

R.I.P to those that died.

I hope your friends are safe Cherie.

[Cherie]

How does that even happen ? 700 !!!! it's a massive amount,I hope your friends are ok Cherie,:bawling:

Thanks

very disrespectful responses to a tragic event

Welcome to TiBB

I dont think i said they do

alex however..

LostAlex is looking for a ban I guess :shrug:

[Cherie]

R.I.P to those that died.

I hope your friends are safe Cherie.

Thanks Josy

[kirklancaster]

I will pray to MY God for these poor people and their families.

If any terrorists were among them then may they rot in hell, but a faithful Muslim does not equate to an Islamic Extremist, and I feel for these people because it is just as tragic as if they had been Christian, Jewish, or Atheist. RIP.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can we NOT turn this into another LT plus a few others against God rant thread and have some respect to the hundreds that have lost their lives. Thanks

The point we are making is that they are dead because of "God"


Its a point worth making or all you get is 2 pages of RIPs

this is serious debates and not some remembrance book


They people were going to a wall to throw stones at it as it represents "the devil"


Surely that is worhy of debate as is their pointless deaths

[Josy]

The point we are making is that they are dead because of "God"


Its a point worth making or all you get is 2 pages of RIPs

this is serious debates and not some remembrance book


They people were doing to a wall to throw stones at it as it represents "the devil"


Surely that is worhy of debate as is their pointless deaths

I know what section of the forum this is thanks. And i'm repeating that this is a thread about hundreds of people dying NOT a religious debate.

[kirklancaster]

The point we are making is that they are dead because of "God"


Its a point worth making or all you get is 2 pages of RIPs

this is serious debates and not some remembrance book


They people were going to a wall to throw stones at it as it represents "the devil"


Surely that is worhy of debate as is their pointless deaths

No LT - They are dead BECAUSE OF HUMAN ERROR.

[armand.kay]

can't believe people are using a thread like this to push their anti islam views :rolleyes:

[Kazanne]

The point we are making is that they are dead because of "God"


Its a point worth making or all you get is 2 pages of RIPs

this is serious debates and not some remembrance book


They people were going to a wall to throw stones at it as it represents "the devil"


Surely that is worhy of debate as is their pointless deaths

They are not dead because of God LT,they are dead because they were crushed:shrug:

[Josy]

The point we are making is that they are dead because of "God"


Its a point worth making or all you get is 2 pages of RIPs

this is serious debates and not some remembrance book


They people were going to a wall to throw stones at it as it represents "the devil"


Surely that is worhy of debate as is their pointless deaths


Why do you care if there is two pages of RIP's. This is Serious Debates & News

[Crimson Dynamo]

ok i will play the game

RIP to all the dead people

lets hope the same thing does not happen again next year

and the year after that..

[arista]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/24/mecca-crush-during-hajj-kills-at-least-100-saudi-state-tv


My friend and her husband are at this I just hope they are safe.


More Safety was put in and Extra Camera's
but they will not follow introductions given
the Health Minister said

[EspeonBB]

This is so sad. R.I.P. :(

[Jessica.]

:sad: This is so awful, Mecca is so respected by millions but it's just a place of disaster lately.

[arista]

No LT - They are dead BECAUSE OF HUMAN ERROR.


Yes they refused to follow Instructions

[Niamh.]

Hope your friends are OK Cherie :hug:

[Cherie]

Hope your friends are OK Cherie :hug:

Thanks no word yet

[kirklancaster]

Thanks no word yet

Yeah - Sorry Cherie. I too genuinely hope that your friends are safe and well.

[Cherie]

Yeah - Sorry Cherie. I too genuinely hope that your friends are safe and well.

Thanks Kirk

[DemolitionRed]

This is tragic news indeed.

I hope your friends are okay Cherie. They are likely not picking up their phone because during the pilgrimage they aren't permitted to carry one.

[Cherie]

This is tragic news indeed.

I hope your friends are okay Cherie. They are likely not picking up their phone because during the pilgrimage they aren't permitted to carry one.

Oh thank you Red I did not know that x

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is tragic news indeed.

I hope your friends are okay Cherie. They are likely not picking up their phone because during the pilgrimage they aren't permitted to carry one.

not permitted by who?

[Cherie]

not permitted by who?

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:umm2:

oh i forgot

its a tradegy

no questions allowed

:idc:

[Cherie]

oh i forgot

its a tradegy

no questions allowed

:idc:

No stupid questions allowed :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No stupid questions allowed :hee:

oh i forgot

ptd_h0dF7NE

[AnnieK]

Any news yet Cherie?

[Cherie]

Any news yet Cherie?

Noooooo.another friend went round to the family home but nobody was home it's EID so maybe with other family will update thanks Annie

[Ninastar]

This is horrible. R.I.P to those who died. Hope you hear from your friends soon Cherie xx

[Cherie]

This is horrible. R.I.P to those who died. Hope you hear from your friends soon Cherie xx

Thank you x

[Kyle]

Echo what Nina says Cherie, I'm sure they will be fine.

[Cherie]

Echo what Nina says Cherie, I'm sure they will be fine.

I feel that too Kyle x

[the truth]

this is the worst most ignorant thread in the history of this mostly disappointing site

[Ammi]

..this is such a tragic thing...Cherie, I hope your friends are ok and are able to have contact with everyone soon, I know how worried you must all be and just waiting to hear from them but communication is probably difficult atm...:hug:..

[Natalie.]

Hope your friends are ok Cherie, I'm sure they will be though

[Cherie]

Just had a text all is well thanks all!

[Niamh.]

Just had a text all is well thanks all!

Oh Thank God! You must be relieved

[Cherie]

Oh Thank God! You must be relieved

Yes x

[Kyle]

Brilliant news!

[Kyle]

Brilliant news your friends are ok Cherie that is.

[kirklancaster]

Thank God they're OK Cherie. Glad for you.

[Kizzy]

Just had a text all is well thanks all!

That's fantastic news Cherie, glad they are safe.

[Livia]

Happy to hear Cherie's friends are safe.

This kind of tragedy happens so regularly there. The definition of madness is to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different outcome. Despite the billions the Saudis claim to have spent, they need to have a rethink.

[Suze]

Just had a text all is well thanks all!

That's good Cherie :hug: was about to ask if you had heard anything. You must be feeling so relieved.

[AnnieK]

Good news x

[DemolitionRed]

Fantastic news Cherie.

I was just reading that the Saudi Royal family are blaming this tragedy on the actual crowds that got crushed.

[Cherie]

Fantastic news Cherie.

I was just reading that the Saudi Royal family are blaming this tragedy on the actual crowds that got crushed.


Yes something to do with roads being closed to facilitate a state visit. I think it is a bit insensitive of the Health minister to immediately blame the pilgrims when all the facts are not known as yet.



Thanks all btw

[Kizzy]

'Saudi Arabia is under increasing pressure to improve safety for pilgrims in the wake of the deaths of at least 717 people in a stampede outside Mecca at the annual Muslim hajj.
More than 850 people were also wounded in the crush during the symbolic stoning of the devil at Mina, the worst tragedy during the hajj for 25 years. It was the second deadly accident affecting Mecca worshippers this month, after a crane collapse in the holy city killed more than 100.
Saudi Arabia’s King Salman has ordered an urgent safety review into the causes of the crush, to be chaired by the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef. Salman admitted there was a need “to improve the level of organisation and management of movement” of pilgrims, amid pressure from two of the most influential Islamic nations, Iran and Indonesia.'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/25/saudi-arabia-hajj-stampede-mecca-safety

[Crimson Dynamo]

Saudi health Minister Khaled al-Falih blamed victims for the disaster for failing to follow instructions, adding: 'This type of accident could have been avoided. However, this is God's will.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3248647/Saudi-health-minister-blames-PILGRIMS-Hajj-stampede-left-700-people-dead-saying-followed-instructions-avoided.html#ixzz3mkvot3jo


did i not tell you god was to blame

:hee:

[Johnnyuk123]

This has been going on for years. It's a big money event and they have ignored safety fears for decades. This could have been avoided by limiting attendance but pure greed is what is causing countless sad situations like this at this event year in year out.

[Kizzy]

It's not Glastonbury :/

[Johnnyuk123]

Just had a text all is well thanks all!

Great news Cherie.:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[Cherie]

Great news Cherie.:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

Thanks

[King Gizzard]

Good stuff

[Ammi]

...awww Cherie, I'm so happy that your friends are ok and that you heard from them..:hug:..one of those phone calls in life, eh...


..I can't imagine the pain for all of those people who didn't get and haven't got that phone call they so have hoped for/just awful...