Bisexuals people, would you consider yourself as pansexual?

[Will.]

So do the TIBB's Bi's consider themselves pansexual (attracted to both female and males and any gender identiy?

"Pansexuality may be considered a sexual orientation in its own right or a subset of bisexuality, to indicate an alternative sexual identity.[3][6][7] Because pansexual people are open to relationships with people who do not identify as strictly men or women, and pansexuality therefore rejects the gender binary, the "notion of two genders and indeed of specific sexual orientations",[3][7] it is often considered a more inclusive term than bisexual.[8][9] To what extent the term bisexual is inclusive when compared to the term pansexual is debated within the LGBT community, especially the bisexual community.[9]"

I'm bisexual but kind of would consider myself Pansexual as I have fancied Transgender etc. people.

[Tom4784]

I'd never identify as a pansexual, I find the term a bit cringeworthy in all honesty.

[Livia]

I consider myself to be trisexual. Because I'll try anything once.

[Will.]

I'd never identify as a pansexual, I find the term a bit cringeworthy in all honesty.

yeah, I thought it was considered bisexual to like other types of people apart from men and women.

I thought Pansexual was when you love people but don't want to have a sexual relationship.

[Jack_]

Not one of these threads again...

They are two completely different things. The clues are in the name, bi means two (i.e. the gender binary) so bisexuals are attracted to both men and women.

Pansexuals can be attracted to people outside of the gender binary, and see gender as irrelevant when it comes to attraction. Since bisexuals are only attracted to two genders, gender is not irrelevant to them.

[Benjamin]

Why are there so many of these threads of late? Why must people have to define themselves with any sexuality and put so much focus on doing so?

[Vanessa]

I agree we should be free to love who we want, regardless of gender.

[Will.]

I agree we should be free to love who we want, regardless of gender.

I 100% agree.

[Jack_]

Why are there so many of these threads of late? Why must people have to define themselves with any sexuality and put so much focus on doing so?

For all my views on gender and sexuality, ironically I believe they shouldn't be a thing because it'd save so many problems :laugh:

If people didn't have to categorise themselves into sexualities when it's a spectrum anyway, and the same thing with gender, then the world would be a lot more inclusive, liberal and tolerant place.

Act how you want to act, dress how you want to dress, like who you want to like. Live and let live. Humans' obsessions with categorising things to make sense of them is sadly one of the most detrimental things to society.

[kirklancaster]

I'm straight with many kinks and an overall curve.

[kirklancaster]

I always thought that pansexuals were obese greedy bastards who were in love with the frying pan.

[Marsh.]

People are obsessed with saying "Stop using labels and gender stereotypes it's offending me" only to then go off and invent 50 new genders and sexualities for Facebook. Standing up against labels whilst creating more of them and exacerbating the problem.

God, get over yourself already. No one cares that much about where you stick your genitals.

[Crimson Dynamo]

is everyone just bloody sex obsessed here or whit?


:umm2:

[Jay.]

Why are there so many of these threads of late? Why must people have to define themselves with any sexuality and put so much focus on doing so?

ben, you wise old man :clap1::clap1:

[Marsh.]

ben, you wise old man :clap1::clap1:

You just don't like labels because you'd need a new one every day. :idc:

[Will.]

Marsh has returned!

[Will.]

The only reason I did this thread as being Bisexual I never knew it was against 'the label' to be attracted to trans etc. people.

So I would consider myself Pansexual now.

[Jay.]

You just don't like labels because you'd need a new one every day. :idc:

omg

[Shaun]

No because it's a poncey way of saying bisexual.

[Crimson Dynamo]

omg

http://www.umpf.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Abuse-Button.png

[arista]

I'd never identify as a pansexual, I find the term a bit cringeworthy in all honesty.


Sounds like a USA term

[Calderyon]

Is it the same as liking pan salt too much?

itsajoke.com

[JoshBB]

People are obsessed with saying "Stop using labels and gender stereotypes it's offending me" only to then go off and invent 50 new genders and sexualities for Facebook. Standing up against labels whilst creating more of them and exacerbating the problem.

God, get over yourself already. No one cares that much about where you stick your genitals.

There's a difference between 'labels' (self-descriptors) and insults disguised as labels.

I don't understand the 'dont label things omg!' mentality because if someone wants to define their sexuality in a way that makes it easier to understand for other people, then what's the issue really?

[arista]

Why are there so many of these threads of late? Why must people have to define themselves with any sexuality and put so much focus on doing so?

Because they are the new tibb young ones


Stop Moaning Ben

[arista]

No because it's a poncey way of saying bisexual.




How Nice

[JoshBB]

No because it's a poncey way of saying bisexual.

No it isn't.

[arista]

The only reason I did this thread as being Bisexual I never knew it was against 'the label' to be attracted to trans etc. people.

So I would consider myself Pansexual now.


That word is not on Wiki
whats its Origin?

[Jay.]

nawt an sjw

[arista]

No it isn't.


I Sorry But Shaun
has more Experience in this
than you nippers



Feel The Force

[arista]

nawt an sjw


What Fecking Lingo is that



TIBB in the Sewers

[arista]

?v=WpIXC2iUurs


The Words to this 1978 Funk Song
Fit this thread

[Marsh.]

nawt an sjw

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Marsh.]

There's a difference between 'labels' (self-descriptors) and insults disguised as labels.

I don't understand the 'dont label things omg!' mentality because if someone wants to define their sexuality in a way that makes it easier to understand for other people, then what's the issue really?

I don't have an issue tbh. I don't care.

I was talking more about the people who seem to "campaign" on social media about getting rid of labels and the need to categorise everyone into groups but then they are the ones making the gender list on Facebook longer than War and Peace. :shrug:

[Firewire]

Pansexuality undermines bisexuality. It makes bisexual people look ignorant for not being interested in "non-genders" when the term itself says bisexual. Regardless of your gender identity you are born either male or female and that's what bisexuality represents. It has nothing to do with gender.

[Jack_]

I don't have an issue tbh. I don't care.

I was talking more about the people who seem to "campaign" on social media about getting rid of labels and the need to categorise everyone into groups but then they are the ones making the gender list on Facebook longer than War and Peace. :shrug:

To be fair, I think they're two different groups of people. And both of them have very valid ideas

In an ideal world we'd be rid of all kinds of categorisation, you could just like who you want to like and it wouldn't need a label, and gender wouldn't need to be a thing, you could just act how you want to act and people wouldn't have to be segregated because of it, but sadly the human obsession with labelling things to make sense of them means that isn't going to happen anytime soon, so in the meantime the best course of action is to make labels as inclusive and open as possible

[Firewire]

People with label makers will be fuming

[Denver]

As someone who identify as pansexual i find this thread disgraceful and clear attention seeking thing.

You cant decide to just become a sexuality.

[Firewire]

You can decide to label yourself pansexual

[Jack_]

Pansexuality undermines bisexuality. It makes bisexual people look ignorant for not being interested in "non-genders" when the term itself says bisexual. Regardless of your gender identity you are born either male or female and that's what bisexuality represents. It has nothing to do with gender.

This is a fair point but the 'sexual' part of the term refers to the sexual attraction part of your sexuality, not 'sex' as in biological sex

Regardless, pansexuality is still a thing. Bisexuals are attracted to men and women - or males and females if you prefer, that's probably a better way of putting it. And pansexuals are gender blind, seek relationships on personality alone and are not just attracted to people who fall on the gender binary. I wouldn't say it infers bisexuals are ignorant at all, you can't help who you're attracted to and if males and females are your thing that's fine. If you're attracted to people outside of the gender binary, you are not bisexual.

Bi means two, and there are more than two genders.

[Liam-]

Labels are stupid, like who you like and sleep with who you want to sleep with, it doesn't need explaining to anyone

[Marsh.]

To be fair, I think they're two different groups of people. And both of them have very valid ideas

In an ideal world we'd be rid of all kinds of categorisation, you could just like who you want to like and it wouldn't need a label, and gender wouldn't need to be a thing, you could just act how you want to act and people wouldn't have to be segregated because of it, but sadly the human obsession with labelling things to make sense of them means that isn't going to happen anytime soon, so in the meantime the best course of action is to make labels as inclusive and open as possible

Well that makes somewhat more sense. :laugh:

[arista]

This is a fair point but the 'sexual' part of the term refers to the sexual attraction part of your sexuality, not 'sex' as in biological sex

Regardless, pansexuality is still a thing. Bisexuals are attracted to men and women - or males and females if you prefer, that's probably a better way of putting it. And pansexuals are gender blind, seek relationships on personality alone and are not just attracted to people who fall on the gender binary. I wouldn't say it infers bisexuals are ignorant at all, you can't help who you're attracted to and if males and females are your thing that's fine. If you're attracted to people outside of the gender binary, you are not bisexual.

Bi means two, and there are more than two genders.


No Jack
it Ain't
Not on Wiki

[JoshBB]

I don't have an issue tbh. I don't care.

I was talking more about the people who seem to "campaign" on social media about getting rid of labels and the need to categorise everyone into groups but then they are the ones making the gender list on Facebook longer than War and Peace. :shrug:

I don't think they're the same people, but if they are then I agree it seems like a huge contradiction

[Jack_]

No Jack
it Ain't
Not on Wiki

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality

You were saying?

[JoshBB]

Labels are stupid, like who you like and sleep with who you want to sleep with, it doesn't need explaining to anyone

It saves awkward scenarios of girls thinking you fancy them, or them fancying you.. (obviously this would apply to someone who doesn't like girls (eg me)).

[arista]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality

You were saying?


I did not spell it that way
you Smart Ass

[DemolitionRed]

The only reason I did this thread as being Bisexual I never knew it was against 'the label' to be attracted to trans etc. people.

So I would consider myself Pansexual now.

I've never considered that being attracted to trans is a pan-sexual thing. If you are attracted to a woman that was once a man or a man that was once a woman, you are attracted to a specific sex.

I used to date a cross dresser (not the same as a transvestite) who loved the feel of feminine clothes. That didn't make me pan-sexual, it just made me open to someone who had a fetish.

[DemolitionRed]

It saves awkward scenarios of girls thinking you fancy them, or them fancying you.. (obviously this would apply to someone who doesn't like girls (eg me)).

I agree with Josh, labels are merely a clue that gives a direction.

[MTVN]

This is a fair point but the 'sexual' part of the term refers to the sexual attraction part of your sexuality, not 'sex' as in biological sex

Regardless, pansexuality is still a thing. Bisexuals are attracted to men and women - or males and females if you prefer, that's probably a better way of putting it. And pansexuals are gender blind, seek relationships on personality alone and are not just attracted to people who fall on the gender binary. I wouldn't say it infers bisexuals are ignorant at all, you can't help who you're attracted to and if males and females are your thing that's fine. If you're attracted to people outside of the gender binary, you are not bisexual.

Bi means two, and there are more than two genders.

My problem with that description is that I don't think bisexuals would say that all of that doesn't apply to them. I doubt that the vast majority of bisexuals would think 'I only like those who fall into the gender binary'.

I'd also say that it's nonsense to think you're not bisexual if you're attracted to trans people, they are not a separate gender.

[Jack_]

I've never considered that being attracted to trans is a pan-sexual thing. If you are attracted to a woman that was once a man or a man that was once a woman, you are attracted to a specific sex.

I used to date a cross dresser (not the same as a transvestite) who loved the feel of feminine clothes. That didn't make me pan-sexual, it just made me open to someone who had a fetish.

Trans people whom identify as either a man or a woman remain on the binary and so yes, you're right, bisexuals can be attracted to them. Bisexuality is the attraction to either men or women, so anyone who identifies as such fits the requirements.

Cross dressing is a separate issue but yes, it doesn't change anything.

My problem with that description is that I don't think bisexuals would say that all of that doesn't apply to them. I doubt that the vast majority of bisexuals would think 'I only like those who fall into the gender binary'.

I'd also say that it's nonsense to think you're not bisexual if you're attracted to trans people, they are not a separate gender.

Well of course they wouldn't, because the vast majority of people accept and subscribe to the gender binary that's become established in many societies around the world and have absolutely no idea of the differences between sex and gender, and that there are more than just 'men' and 'women'. That's not a slight on them personally, it's a societal issue but still. If you asked most bisexuals to define their sexuality I'd bet they'd say something along the lines of 'I like men and women', 'I'm attracted to both genders', etc etc. That's because they are, bi means two and so they are attracted to men and women.

And as I've just explained to DemolitionRed, trans people who are choosing to identify as, or have transitioned to become either a man or a woman are still on the gender binary and therefore bisexuals can be attracted to them. I never once said if you're bi you can't be attracted to trans people because that is nonsense, so long as those trans people's gender is binary.

What pansexuality refers to is the possible attraction to those whose gender is outside of the binary, and there are many trans people whom choose to live their life outside of it. It encompasses all gender identities, not just men and women, and as such is gender blind and based on strict personality led attraction.

[Marsh.]

Humans like sex. End of.

[JoshBB]

Yeah I don't understand why people think their sexuality is called into question when they date a transgender person :laugh:

I would date a trans guy, providing they were a nice person and were relatively good looking. (i know that sounds shallow, but dont wanna get with no uglies)

[MTVN]

Well of course they wouldn't, because the vast majority of people accept and subscribe to the gender binary that's become established in many societies around the world and have absolutely no idea of the differences between sex and gender, and that there are more than just 'men' and 'women'. That's not a slight on them personally, it's a societal issue but still. If you asked most bisexuals to define their sexuality I'd bet they'd say something along the lines of 'I like men and women', 'I'm attracted to both genders', etc etc. That's because they are, bi means two and so they are attracted to men and women.

And as I've just explained to DemolitionRed, trans people who are choosing to identify as, or have transitioned to become either a man or a woman are still on the gender binary and therefore bisexuals can be attracted to them. I never once said if you're bi you can't be attracted to trans people because that is nonsense, so long as those trans people's gender is binary.

What pansexuality refers to is the possible attraction to those whose gender is outside of the binary, and there are many trans people whom choose to live their life outside of it. It encompasses all gender identities, not just men and women, and as such is gender blind and based on strict personality led attraction.

Agree, I was making that point mainly to Will who was giving that as his reason for no longer identifying as bisexual

I don't know about the rest, it sounds quite snobbish to me and, like Firewire said, undermining of bisexuality, as though they are not capable of transgressing beyond a simplified notion of gender. It sounds as though pansexuality is being presented as a more developed and nuanced form of bisexuality. I don't think pansexuality is beyond the comprehension of most bisexuals; it's more that they don't feel it's a necessary distinction. People always like to talk about sexuality being a spectrum so I don't see why bisexuality can't occupy the whole hazy middle ground between gay and straight.

[Ammi]

I Sorry But Shaun
has more Experience in this
than you nippers

Feel The Force

..can we not please with the derogatory terms for young people on the forum..and referring to 'experience' as if it gives some kind of wisdom because it really doesn't...age doesn't give wisdom, only wisdom gives wisdom regardless of age...there are some very dumb people with much life experience who have been on this earth for many years...


..I've noticed this a lot in threads ..things like..come back when you're older or whatever/when you've been/when you've seen etc...and every one of us would probably hate being spoken to like that and have hated it when it's been done to us..it's extremely disrespectful...

[kirklancaster]

No because it's a poncey way of saying bisexual.

I could not agree more. What is this trend, this need to dissect everything now? Why the obsession to categorise and classify and label? :shrug:

There are MALES and FEMALES - no matter what guise or whether one elects to be the other. To which one we are attracted, or whether we are attracted to both is all that matters, and we do not need some fancy new 'label' to identify us - whatever our choice.

[Ashley.]

I would prefer it if us humans stopped labelling things tbh

[Jay.]

I would prefer it if us humans stopped labelling things tbh

how dare you label me a human

i am undecided

(this is a joke i feel i should say that)

[Ashley.]

how dare you label me a human

i am undecided

(this is a joke i feel i should say that)

are you panhuman?

[Jay.]

are you panhuman?

That is not
A thing

It is not
On WIKI

[Ashley.]

That is not
A thing

It is not
On WIKI

Aisleyne teas

[kirklancaster]

That is not
A thing

It is not
On WIKI

:laugh: Well THAT, is very conclusively THAT then Jay.

[arista]

That is not
A thing

It is not
On WIKI


It is
Jack found the link
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