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kirklancaster

06-10-2015, 09:40 AM

Islamic State fighters have demolished the 2,000-year-old Arch of Triumph in Syria's ancient city of Palmyra, as the extremist group continues its campaign of destruction at the UNESCO World Heritage site.
The United Nations said on Monday that the destruction of the Roman-era arch was a sign that Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) was “terrified” by the history it embodied.

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE ERADICATE EVERY LAST ONE OF THESE EVIL DEMONS BEFORE THEIR TOXIC INSANITY ENVELOPES AND DESTROYS WHAT IS LEFT OF THE WORLD?

http://http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11911399/Islamic-State-destroys-2000-year-old-Arch-of-Triumph-in-Palmyra.html

lostalex

06-10-2015, 09:51 AM

damn, there go my vacation plans to go see the arch... i hope i can get a refund.

Crimson Dynamo

06-10-2015, 10:22 AM

all in the name of religion

kirklancaster

06-10-2015, 10:42 AM

all in the name of religion

I agree.

joeysteele

06-10-2015, 10:54 AM

rubymoo

06-10-2015, 11:02 AM

Absolutely disgusting, there will be nothing left of these beautiful ancient relics, it will all be lost and for what....

Mystic Mock

06-10-2015, 11:04 AM

I can't believe that I'm saying this but come on Russia and blow this organization to pieces and leave about three of them alive to “interogate” as Russia pretend to do.

Mystic Mock

06-10-2015, 11:04 AM

I can't believe that I'm saying this but come on Russia and blow this organization to pieces and leave about three of them alive to “interogate” as Russia pretend to do.

kirklancaster

06-10-2015, 11:09 AM

It is obscene what these awful people are doing across the Middle East and really it is insulting to religion that they claim to do these things in the name of same.

What they are doing is a total insult to Islam anyway.
They are just a purely rotten power mad extreme organisation who the sooner they are wiped off the face off the Earth the better for all.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

This evil transcends politics, nationalities, and religion. The entire world should come together and have one no-holds barred concerted offensive to destroy every last one of them.

lostalex

06-10-2015, 11:20 AM

I can't believe that I'm saying this but come on Russia and blow this organization to pieces and leave about three of them alive to “interogate” as Russia pretend to do.

Russia isn't targeting ISIS, they are targeting the revolutionaries who want Democracy in Syria, not Islamic regime like ISIS. They are protecting Assad, not fighting ISIS. If they were fighting ISIS then why aren't they doing it anywhere else but Syria?

Northern Monkey

06-10-2015, 12:02 PM

Yes they are scumbags.There is'nt all that much ancient architecture left in the world.In the era we're in now as much of it should be preserved as possible.The days of destroying it should be in the past.Kings,Emperors and pharoahs used to do it in the past to wipe out all trace of their predecessors.This is essentially what ISIS are trying to do to spread their primitive ideology.However it should not be tolerated in todays world.I know Syria is'nt exactly a tourist attraction now but one day it may well be and it's history should be preserved as much as possible for future education.I'd love to go one day,Although i can't see that happening in my life time.

DemolitionRed

06-10-2015, 12:41 PM

Russia isn't targeting ISIS, they are targeting the revolutionaries who want Democracy in Syria, not Islamic regime like ISIS. They are protecting Assad, not fighting ISIS. If they were fighting ISIS then why aren't they doing it anywhere else but Syria?

Scary isn't it? As we speak, Russia is strengthening ISIS, not weakening it.

arista

06-10-2015, 02:37 PM

all in the name of religion

No LT in the name of Isis
the new nation

kirklancaster

06-10-2015, 02:48 PM

No LT in the name of Isis
the new nation

Bang On Right Again Arista - They say they are Muslims but they're killing Muslims as well as everyone else. They have NOTHING to do with any genuine religion.

Cherie

06-10-2015, 02:55 PM

Scary isn't it? As we speak, Russia is strengthening ISIS, not weakening it.

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MTVN

06-10-2015, 03:05 PM

Russia is not strengthening IS. I'm afraid the idea that there are millions of 'moderate' rebels, fighting both IS and Assad for democracy, and who are now only being prevented by Russian bombs, is a fallacy.

Where are all these moderate forces? Even the US can't find them.

US, Turkey Struggle to Define Syrian 'Moderates' for Proposed 'Safe Zone' (http://sputniknews.com/us/20150729/1025193038.html)
ISIS In Syria: US So Far Training Only 60 'Moderate' Rebels To Take on Militant Group (http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-syria-us-so-far-training-only-60-moderate-rebels-take-militant-group-1998870)
US Syria policy in tatters after favoured 'moderate' rebels disband (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/02/us-syria-policy-tatters-moderate-rebels-disband)
Syria’s ‘moderates’ have disappeared... and there are no good guys (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-s-moderates-have-disappeared-and-there-are-no-good-guys-a6679406.html)

etc. etc.

Northern Monkey

06-10-2015, 03:15 PM

The only person Russia is strengthening is Assad tbh.

kirklancaster

06-10-2015, 03:17 PM

DemolitionRed

06-10-2015, 03:40 PM

Where are all these moderate forces? Even the US can't find them.

I read a couple of your links but I'm guessing they are all more or less saying the same thing?

There are moderate forces everywhere in Syria, in fact there are more than 1,000 different armed groups presently fighting, including IS, which isn't moderate at all. Its not that these forces don't exist, its identifying them that's a problem.

What we do know is, both Russia and Iran are out to protect Asad and they are ready to attack any opposing force. Whilst the West want to target the extremists 'IS' and rightly so, Russia wants to target any of the opposition.

How do they do this when so many moderates have gone to ground? by bombing hot spots where there is clear civil unrest towards the Syrian government and allies.

DemolitionRed

06-10-2015, 03:42 PM

I am so glad you pointed all this out first - save me from getting into an argument.

Argument? I thought this was meant to be a debate :nono:

Creggle

06-10-2015, 03:49 PM

all in the name of religion

All in the name of being cowardly sociopaths, it has nothing to do with religion, religion is just their excuse. People like these would find a justification to do this kind of **** regardless of whether religion was a thing or not.

Cherie

06-10-2015, 03:53 PM

Argument? I thought this was meant to be a debate :nono:

:clap1:

arista

06-10-2015, 03:56 PM

MTVN

06-10-2015, 04:00 PM

I read a couple of your links but I'm guessing they are all more or less saying the same thing?

There are moderate forces everywhere in Syria, in fact there are more than 1,000 different armed groups presently fighting, including IS, which isn't moderate at all. Its not that these forces don't exist, its identifying them that's a problem.

What we do know is, both Russia and Iran are out to protect Asad and they are ready to attack any opposing force. Whilst the West want to target the extremists 'IS' and rightly so, Russia wants to target any of the opposition.

How do they do this when so many moderates have gone to ground? by bombing hot spots where there is clear civil unrest towards the Syrian government and allies.

Well they say the same thing in that they all highlight the difficulty in identifying any 'moderate' forces who have a substantial presence in Syria. The last one by Robert Fisk is the most worth reading I'd say: he fiercely attacks the Russians while also pointing out the holes in the Western narrative. Yes there are hundreds of different armed groups and that is exactly the problem: the opposition is far too fractured that any elements that might be moderate long ago became lost in the quagmire. It used to be the Free Syrian Army that held the greatest hope but they have fallen to pieces. IS is clearly far larger and more powerful than any other opposition group to Assad in Syria and even beyond them its al-Nusra who are the strongest and most organised force and they too are extreme Islamists. A lot of the weapons that were supplied by Washington have now found themselves in the hands of extremists as those supposedly moderate groups melted away or were absorbed.

Yes Russia do want to protect Assad: he is their ally in the region and is important to Russia maintaining their influence there. The West might not like it but the only force that is able to defeat IS in Syria is the Syrian Army. To hope that there could be an alternative where both IS and Assad are removed from power is wishful thinking, and the West is now starting to wake up to that hence the UK and US both now accepting that Assad could play a 'transitional' role in a settlement.

Northern Monkey

06-10-2015, 04:28 PM

Here's what Putin has to say:
http://youtu.be/VbZDyr2LkdI

Brother Leon

06-10-2015, 04:32 PM

Scary isn't it? As we speak, Russia is strengthening ISIS, not weakening it.

Years too late, The UK and US have been there, done that.

DemolitionRed

06-10-2015, 05:19 PM

Years too late, The UK and US have been there, done that.

I don't disagree with you on that.

DemolitionRed

06-10-2015, 05:30 PM

Well they say the same thing in that they all highlight the difficulty in identifying any 'moderate' forces who have a substantial presence in Syria. The last one by Robert Fisk is the most worth reading I'd say: he fiercely attacks the Russians while also pointing out the holes in the Western narrative. Yes there are hundreds of different armed groups and that is exactly the problem: the opposition is far too fractured that any elements that might be moderate long ago became lost in the quagmire. It used to be the Free Syrian Army that held the greatest hope but they have fallen to pieces. IS is clearly far larger and more powerful than any other opposition group to Assad in Syria and even beyond them its al-Nusra who are the strongest and most organised force and they too are extreme Islamists. A lot of the weapons that were supplied by Washington have now found themselves in the hands of extremists as those supposedly moderate groups melted away or were absorbed.

Yes Russia do want to protect Assad: he is their ally in the region and is important to Russia maintaining their influence there. The West might not like it but the only force that is able to defeat IS in Syria is the Syrian Army. To hope that there could be an alternative where both IS and Assad are removed from power is wishful thinking, and the West is now starting to wake up to that hence the UK and US both now accepting that Assad could play a 'transitional' role in a settlement.

The part I put in bold is relevant to my initial fear of what the Russians are doing. Its not so much 'why' they are doing it, but more about that uneasy feeling (once again) of East against West. Its almost got a cold war feel about it and that doesn't lay easy with me, or am I just being over alarmist?

Johnnyuk123

06-10-2015, 08:52 PM

Apparently Islam is a very peaceful religion. Pieces of you here, pieces of you there and over there and there etc.... :hehe:

Northern Monkey

06-10-2015, 09:12 PM

The part I put in bold is relevant to my initial fear of what the Russians are doing. Its not so much 'why' they are doing it, but more about that uneasy feeling (once again) of East against West. Its almost got a cold war feel about it and that doesn't lay easy with me, or am I just being over alarmist?I agree with you and feel the same.Hence my thread the other day on my worries of the US and Russia both conducting bombing campaigns in the same region.Mistakes happen as we saw the other day when US jets bombed the Afghan hospital.It seem tensions are gradually raising slowly but surely.
Also there has been Russian jets entering Turkish airspace recently who i believe are a member of NATO.The west takes that very seriously.

"NATO member Turkey accused Russia of violating its airspace at least twice over the weekend, and warned it will activate its rules of military engagement if such intrusions are repeated."

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/10/07/russia-admits-jet-entered-turkey-airspace.html

MTVN

06-10-2015, 10:18 PM

The part I put in bold is relevant to my initial fear of what the Russians are doing. Its not so much 'why' they are doing it, but more about that uneasy feeling (once again) of East against West. Its almost got a cold war feel about it and that doesn't lay easy with me, or am I just being over alarmist?

It could be getting that way but I don't think it needs to be: the West has been overplaying the Russian threat and making it out to be a bigger danger than it is imo. In a way I think it's been happening ever since the breakup of the USSR: that should have provided a chance to bring a reformed Russia back into the international fold but instead they've been treated with hostility ever since. In the years since then Nato has continued to expand eastwards and Western foreign policy has been more aggressive while Russia has been forced to give up much of its territory and until the last two or three years hadn't been that influential on the world stage, yet they are treated as the great menace? I think there's a lot of resentment in Russia about that which has fuelled nationalism over there and its why they're quite enjoying reasserting themselves again now.

James

06-10-2015, 10:57 PM

Syria: The story of the conflict
12 March 2015

More than 200,000 Syrians have lost their lives in four years of armed conflict, which began with anti-government protests before escalating into a full-scale civil war. More than 11 million others have been forced from their homes as forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad and those opposed to his rule battle each other - as well as jihadist militants from Islamic State. This is the story of the civil war so far, in eight short chapters.

1. Uprising turns violent

Pro-democracy protests erupted in March 2011 in the southern city of Deraa after the arrest and torture of some teenagers who painted revolutionary slogans on a school wall. After security forces opened fire on demonstrators, killing several, more took to the streets.

The unrest triggered nationwide protests demanding President Assad's resignation. The government's use of force to crush the dissent merely hardened the protesters' resolve. By July 2011, hundreds of thousands were taking to the streets across the country.

Opposition supporters eventually began to take up arms, first to defend themselves and later to expel security forces from their local areas.

2. Descent into civil war

Violence escalated and the country descended into civil war as rebel brigades were formed to battle government forces for control of cities, towns and the countryside. Fighting reached the capital Damascus and second city of Aleppo in 2012.

By June 2013, the UN said 90,000 people had been killed in the conflict. However, by August 2014 that figure had more than doubled to 191,000 - and continued to climb to 220,000 by March 2015, according to activists and the UN.

The conflict is now more than just a battle between those for or against President Assad. It has acquired sectarian overtones, pitching the country's Sunni majority against the president's Shia Alawite sect, and drawn in neighbouring countries and world powers. The rise of the jihadist groups, including Islamic State, has added a further dimension.

3. War crimes

A UN commission of inquiry, investigating alleged human rights violations since March 2011, has evidence that those on both sides of the conflict have committed war crimes - including murder, torture, rape and enforced disappearances. Government and rebel forces have also been accused by investigators of using civilian suffering, such as blocking access to food, water and health services, as a method war.

In February 2014, a UN Security Council resolution demanded all parties end the "indiscriminate employment of weapons in populated areas". Since then, activists say more than 6,000 civilians have been killed by barrel bombs dropped by government aircraft on rebel-held areas. The UN says in some instances, civilian gatherings have been deliberately targeted, constituting massacres.

Islamic State has also been accused by the UN of waging a campaign of terror in northern and eastern Syria. It has inflicted severe punishments on those who transgress or refuse to accept its rule, including hundreds of public executions and amputations. Its fighters have also carried out mass killings of rival armed groups, members of the security forces and religious minorities, and beheaded hostages, including several Westerners.

4. Chemical weapons

Hundreds of people were killed in August 2013 after rockets filled with the nerve agent sarin were fired at several agricultural districts around Damascus. Western powers, outraged by the attack, said it could only have been carried out by Syria's government. The regime and its ally Russia blamed rebels.

Facing the prospect of US military intervention, President Assad agreed to the complete removal or destruction of Syria's chemical weapons arsenal as part of a joint mission led by the UN and the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW). The destruction of chemical agents and munitions was completed a year later.

Despite the operation, the OPCW has since documented the use of toxic chemicals, such as chlorine and ammonia, by the government in attacks on rebel-held northern villages between April and July 2014 that resulted in the deaths of at least 13 people.

5. Humanitarian crisis

Almost 4 million people have fled Syria since the start of the conflict, most of them women and children. It is one of the largest refugee exoduses in recent history. Neighbouring countries have borne the brunt of the refugee crisis, with Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey struggling to accommodate the flood of new arrivals. The exodus accelerated dramatically in 2013, as conditions in Syria deteriorated.

A further 7.6 million Syrians have been internally displaced within the country, bringing the total number forced to flee their homes to more than 11 million - half the country's pre-crisis population. Overall, an estimated 12.2 million are in need of humanitarian assistance inside Syria, including 5.6 million children, the UN says.

In December 2014, the UN launched an appeal for $8.4bn (£5.6bn) to provide help to 18 million Syrians, after only securing about half the funding it asked for in 2014.

A report published by the UN in March 2015 estimated the total economic loss since the start of the conflict was $202bn and that four in every five Syrians were now living in poverty - 30% of them in abject poverty. Syria's education, health and social welfare systems are also in a state of collapse.
Syrian refugees in the region

6. Rebels and the rise of the jihadists

The armed rebellion has evolved significantly since its inception. Secular moderates are now outnumbered by Islamists and jihadists, whose brutal tactics have caused widespread concern and triggered rebel infighting.

Capitalising on the chaos in the region, Islamic State (IS) - the extremist group that grew out of al-Qaeda in Iraq - has taken control of huge swathes of territory across northern and eastern Syria, as well as neighbouring Iraq. Its many foreign fighters in Syria are now involved in a "war within a war", battling rebels and jihadists from the al-Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front, who object to their tactics, as well as Kurdish and government forces.

In September 2014, a US-led coalition launched air strikes inside Syria in an effort to "degrade and ultimately destroy" IS, ultimately helping the Kurds repel a major assault on the northern town of Kobane.

In the political arena, rebel groups are also deeply divided - with rival alliances battling for supremacy. The most prominent is the moderate National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces, backed by several Western and Gulf Arab states. However, the coalition has little influence on the ground in Syria and its primacy is rejected by other groups, leaving the country without a convincing alternative to the Assad government.

7. Peace efforts

With neither side able to inflict a decisive defeat on the other, the international community long ago concluded that only a political solution could end the conflict in Syria. However, a number of attempts by the Arab League and the UN to broker ceasefires and start dialogue have failed.

In January 2014, the US, Russia and UN convened a conference in Switzerland to implement the 2012 Geneva Communique, an internationally-backed agreement that called for the establishment of a transitional governing body in Syria formed on the basis of mutual consent.

The talks, which became known as Geneva II, broke down in February after only two rounds. The then UN special envoy Lakhdar Brahimi blamed the Syrian government's refusal to discuss opposition demands and its insistence on a focus on fighting "terrorists" - a term Damascus uses to describe rebel groups.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon says the organisation's long-term strategic objective remains a political solution based on the Geneva Communique. The UN special envoy Staffan de Mistura has also proposed establishing a series of "freeze zones", where local ceasefires would be negotiated to allow aid deliveries in besieged areas. But his attempt to broker a truce in Aleppo has been rejected by rebels in the city, who fear the government will use it to redeploy its forces elsewhere and that IS militants will simply ignore it.

8. Proxy war

What began as another Arab Spring uprising against an autocratic ruler has mushroomed into a brutal proxy war that has drawn in regional and world powers.

Iran and Russia have propped up the Alawite-led government of President Assad and gradually increased their support, providing it with an edge that has helped it make significant gains against the rebels. The government has also enjoyed the support of Lebanon's Shia Islamist Hezbollah movement, whose fighters have provided important battlefield support since 2013.

The Sunni-dominated opposition has, meanwhile, attracted varying degrees of support from its main backers - Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other Arab states along with the US, UK and France. However, the rise of hardline Islamist rebels and the arrival of jihadists from across the world has led to a marked cooling of international and regional backing.

The US is now arming a 5,000-strong force of "moderate" rebels to take the fight to IS on the ground in Syria, and its aircraft provide significant support to Kurdish militia seeking to defend three autonomous enclaves in the country's north.

Produced by Lucy Rodgers, David Gritten, James Offer and Patrick Asare

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26116868