The PM Speech 7/10/15 Live on SkyNewsHD Red Line : 60% agree

[arista]

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Yes 60%
No 39.6%
At 11:54AM
He Just attacked the Labour Leader
over Security to this Nation


At 11:58AM he confirmed 4 New Nuclear Subs
ordered




At 12:05PM
56% agree
on do you think David Cameron looks out for the interests of ordinary people

[MTVN]

Seems to have gone down well, it was a very centrist speech with a lot to appeal to disaffected Labour supporters

I thought the Corbyn attack was a bit ott though

[arista]

Seems to have gone down well, it was a very centrist speech with a lot to appeal to disaffected Labour supporters

I thought the Corbyn attack was a bit ott though

But he never Named him.
that was Very Clever

[Cherie]

Coming from a non Tory his speech was pretty good

[waterhog]

I am fed up of conservatives - I really have high hopes for corbin.

[arista]

Joey - are you in hiding
on a well earned non online Holiday?

[arista]

I am fed up of conservatives - I really have high hopes for corbin.


Corbyn I like
But until he says he will push the nuke button
he will never ever get in
in power due to his own Party.


FACT

[user104658]

He went in heavily with the "land of opportunity" stuff that I've always agreed with when it comes to Tory rhetoric. A climate of opportunity and achievement based on merit. Yes please. They almost won me over with it back in 2009/10 (though I didn't vote at all).

I wish I could believe him but I don't. They've been talking about this for decades; it never materialises,and if anything, they just keep on pushing policies that do the opposite and favour privilege. Saying all the right things but I don't think there's any intention to make it happen.

[arista]

He went in heavily with the "land of opportunity" stuff that I've always agreed with when it comes to Tory rhetoric. A climate of opportunity and achievement based on merit. Yes please. They almost won me over with it back in 2009/10 (though I didn't vote at all).

I wish I could believe him but I don't. They've been talking about this for decades; it never materialises,and if anything, they just keep on pushing policies that do the opposite and favour privilege. Saying all the right things but I don't think there's any intention to make it happen.

But they picked up Labour Voters today

The BBC called it his Blair Type Speech

[user104658]

But they picked up Labour Voters today

The BBC called it his Blair Type Speech
Yes, I'm sure they did pick some up. The gullible ones with short memories.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Joey - are you in hiding
on a well earned non online Holiday?

I wanted to be nice and avoid saying anything as to this speech as I am sure you are well aware, I cannot stand David Cameron, do not like him and would never trust a word he says either.
So I would be speaking from a very biased view against him anyway.

However as to his claiming the Conservatives taking the centre ground, sorry but my vision of his and the party under his leadership is one of not at all gaining the centre ground but creating a waste ground.
A waste ground where the most vulnerable, poor, sick and disabled are hopefully for this govt trampled into that waste ground and buried beneath it.
Leaving the top of it free for the greediest, richest and most powerful to build on it, not for the benefit of the masses but to satisfy their selfish, heartless greed for themselves.

He stands there and ignores all the warnings as to the elderly needing care and being denied it by his cuts, he ignores all the warnings of massive problems looming in the NHS, he doesn't even mention those losing their futures in the North East as to their jobs and throws a pittance at the problem too, considering how many people will be affected.

Then claims he is on the right track, what a total waste of space he is both as a leader and PM.
For me the worst PM the UK has likely ever had in reality.

Right, I am now heading off again for a while, as I am with my family at present.

[waterhog]

Corbyn I like
But until he says he will push the nuke button
he will never ever get in
in power due to his own Party.


FACT

I am going t send him this song - do you think he will get it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJDGcxAf9D8


or I could write him a poem ? maybe the song is more effective.

off to play with my babes.

[joeysteele]

I am going t send him this song - do you think he will get it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJDGcxAf9D8


or I could write him a poem ? maybe the song is more effective.

off to play with my babes.

Don't send him a poem waterhog, he will probably read it as his next speech or raise it with the PM at PMQs

[waterhog]

joey - I am going off you -

my blood is boiling.

[arista]

"So I would be speaking from a very biased view against him anyway."

Thats fine I want all views

And yesterday some old folks
from Labour jumped ship
to Conservative.

Its no Joke Joey

[Cherie]

Yes, I'm sure they did pick some up. The gullible ones with short memories.

No one will have a short memory in 5 years time, though Cameron won't care as he is out, it will be down to Boris to get the Tory's reelected.

[lostalex]

i don't see the big deal about him ****ing a pig's head. i once ****ed a cantaloupe when i was a teen. if it's in the fridge it's fair game, that's my motto.

[joeysteele]

No one will have a short memory in 5 years time, though Cameron won't care as he is out, it will be down to Boris to get the Tory's reelected.

:wavey:Hi Cherie.
All powers that be I hope not, the man is a buffoon,
If the Conservatives fail to choose someone more like Michael Gove then they will deserve to be out for ages in my view.

The likes of Boris, George Osborne and the worst of the lot Theresa May don't bear thinking about for me.

[joeysteele]

joey - I am going off you -

my blood is boiling.

I love your poems waterhog, I always read them.

[arista]

i don't see the big deal about him ****ing a pig's head. i once ****ed a cantaloupe when i was a teen. if it's in the fridge it's fair game, that's my motto.


Its not a big deal
as there are no photos to prove it

[Cherie]

:wavey:Hi Cherie.
All powers that be I hope not, the man is a buffoon,
If the Conservatives fail to choose someone more like Michael Gove then they will deserve to be out for ages in my view.

The likes of Boris, George Osborne and the worst of the lot Theresa May don't bear thinking about for me.

Hey Joey, Boris is so popular for some reason though :unsure:

[joeysteele]

Hey Joey, Boris is so popular for some reason though :unsure:

He is but he can rub some Conservatives up the wrong way, he is seen as a liability more than an asset by some of them.
He isn't likely going to help get back voters from UKIP or the Greens.

[arista]

I am going t send him this song - do you think he will get it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJDGcxAf9D8


or I could write him a poem ? maybe the song is more effective.

off to play with my babes.


Good
but it will not change his mind

[empire]

the tory party of today is no longer a right wing party, but they have only kept the policy of greed, attacking the poor, and giving a raw deal to the working man, but they are a very weak party now, because they tone-down to the pc line, with immigration, which they will never cut, police cuts, that would never of happend even in the tory rule in the 60s, the cuts are useless now because, how can you save, when you are giving your money away to a bank in brussels, they are a puppet party for the eu to pull the strings, many have said that when thatcher was booted out of office, the days of right wing conservatism where gone, there is some truth to that, they will win 2020 but with a hung parliament, because the public are tired of the two party system, with the same old parties sitting in the same two places, this is the reason that there is a huge rise in nationalism in britain, peter hitchens was spot on about the tory and labour parties, thats why he left both, because he saw through their lying crap, and was not going to be a sheep for the party.

[Kizzy]

I'm biased so I'm just going to say this vendetta against Corbyn could be flipped and pointed straight back at dave, look at all the things Corbyn wants and if you're against those then you truly are anti Brit.

[arista]

I'm biased so I'm just going to say this vendetta against Corbyn could be flipped and pointed straight back at dave, look at all the things Corbyn wants and if you're against those then you truly are anti Brit.



Sure.



I like Corbyn
but until his Nuke button pushing is sorted
he will be removed , sadly.

[arista]

the tory party of today is no longer a right wing party, but they have only kept the policy of greed, attacking the poor, and giving a raw deal to the working man, but they are a very weak party now, because they tone-down to the pc line, with immigration, which they will never cut, police cuts, that would never of happend even in the tory rule in the 60s, the cuts are useless now because, how can you save, when you are giving your money away to a bank in brussels, they are a puppet party for the eu to pull the strings, many have said that when thatcher was booted out of office, the days of right wing conservatism where gone, there is some truth to that, they will win 2020 but with a hung parliament, because the public are tired of the two party system, with the same old parties sitting in the same two places, this is the reason that there is a huge rise in nationalism in britain, peter hitchens was spot on about the tory and labour parties, thats why he left both, because he saw through their lying crap, and was not going to be a sheep for the party.



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he has sussed alot out

[joeysteele]

Sure.



I like Corbyn
but until his Nuke button pushing is sorted
he will be removed , sadly.

I do believe as he grows into this 'unexpected' position he finds himself as leader, that he will agree to abide by certain decisions by those at the top of his party.

It really is down to what happens in elections now, local elections, Scottish and Welsh elections particularly next year and then the local ones in 2017 again.

It is odd but I find his 'fumbling' as to being leader and not realising this and that as to the position of leader, finds a kinder tolerance from many voters.
There are people, who will never agree with him, and who will put him down every chance they get, no matter what he said or wanted to achieve.

You are correct however, this debate on the nuclear issue is one that needs sorting and clarifying with compromise as to all aspects of it ,has to be done preferably more quickly.
He would do really well to take on board what many are saying on this issue because as you point out, it could be his downfall if he stays rigid as to it.

[joeysteele]

I'm biased so I'm just going to say this vendetta against Corbyn could be flipped and pointed straight back at dave, look at all the things Corbyn wants and if you're against those then you truly are anti Brit.

This was sort of touched on in question time last night in a response to Cameron's ridiculous attack on Corbyn as being anti Brit.

Reading back and listening to people in my family and neighbours, the Brits always had a compassionate feel towards those less fortunate, poor and who were sick and also vulnerable.

This PM has instilled in many a selfishness that leaves no room for compassion and for me towards those groupings of citizens, with his persecution of them and demonisation of them,he is the biggest danger to really true Brit values for me, than anything Corbyn may come out with.

[Kizzy]

This was sort of touched on in question time last night in a response to Cameron's ridiculous attack on Corbyn as being anti Brit.

Reading back and listening to people in my family and neighbours, the Brits always had a compassionate feel towards those less fortunate, poor and who were sick and also vulnerable.

This PM has instilled in many a selfishness that leaves no room for compassion and for me towards those groupings of citizens, with his persecution of them and demonisation of them,he is the biggest danger to really true Brit values for me, than anything Corbyn may come out with.

I 100% agree there, I didn't see it but will watch it tonight Joey. To me that is true Britishness yes, compassion and community. To be perfectly honest the fascistic ideals that are the premise of the 'new tories' are frightening.

[bots]

This was sort of touched on in question time last night in a response to Cameron's ridiculous attack on Corbyn as being anti Brit.

Reading back and listening to people in my family and neighbours, the Brits always had a compassionate feel towards those less fortunate, poor and who were sick and also vulnerable.

This PM has instilled in many a selfishness that leaves no room for compassion and for me towards those groupings of citizens, with his persecution of them and demonisation of them,he is the biggest danger to really true Brit values for me, than anything Corbyn may come out with.

I didn't see QT, but on your comments on compassionate Britain, it did used to be a compassionate place, but the sea change occurred during Maggie Thatchers time, and Cameron is a product of that changed society. London and particularly the city have always been pretty cut throat environments, and that philosophy has been propagated across the country.

The problem I think is that we always go too far in either direction so we always end up with the polar opposites pulling harder and harder against each other resulting in a situation that no-one is happy with.

Returning to your original point. Cameron really isn't the problem, its an ideology that has been allowed to run for too long unchecked. Corbyn is not the answer to this problem though because he is an extreme polar opposite that is probably on balance potentially more damaging than what we have at present. People are supporting him because they feel society could be better and more inclusive, and they are right, it could be, but not with Corbyn.

[Kizzy]

I didn't see QT, but on your comments on compassionate Britain, it did used to be a compassionate place, but the sea change occurred during Maggie Thatchers time, and Cameron is a product of that changed society. London and particularly the city have always been pretty cut throat environments, and that philosophy has been propagated across the country.

The problem I think is that we always go too far in either direction so we always end up with the polar opposites pulling harder and harder against each other resulting in a situation that no-one is happy with.

Returning to your original point. Cameron really isn't the problem, its an ideology that has been allowed to run for too long unchecked. Corbyn is not the answer to this problem though because he is an extreme polar opposite that is probably on balance potentially more damaging than what we have at present. People are supporting him because they feel society could be better and more inclusive, and they are right, it could be, but not with Corbyn.

Amen to that! :laugh:

[Johnnyuk123]

Cam the Man did a great job!
http://roughtimesnews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Cameron-Christ.png

[arista]

I do believe as he grows into this 'unexpected' position he finds himself as leader, that he will agree to abide by certain decisions by those at the top of his party.

It really is down to what happens in elections now, local elections, Scottish and Welsh elections particularly next year and then the local ones in 2017 again.

It is odd but I find his 'fumbling' as to being leader and not realising this and that as to the position of leader, finds a kinder tolerance from many voters.
There are people, who will never agree with him, and who will put him down every chance they get, no matter what he said or wanted to achieve.

You are correct however, this debate on the nuclear issue is one that needs sorting and clarifying with compromise as to all aspects of it ,has to be done preferably more quickly.
He would do really well to take on board what many are saying on this issue because as you point out, it could be his downfall if he stays rigid as to it.

Yes "if" he still says as a leader
he will Never push the Nuke button
the Labour Party will remove
him as leader - Utter Fact