Russia Fires Rockets At Isis From Caspian Sea

[arista]

Who needs America
Novo's Putin is taking it over
with Bigger Missiles.


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http://news.sky.com/story/1565148/russia-fires-rockets-at-is-from-caspian-sea

Feel The Force

[Northern Monkey]

Quite worrying.I think the Nato and Russia may clash on this.

[arista]

Quite worrying.I think the Nato and Russia may clash on this.


No Nato
must let the Russians wipe out Isis/Isil



This is a clever move be Russia
In USA they are saying its sad America
could not do the same.
But of course the Lame Duck President
is weak.

[kirklancaster]

No Nato
must let the Russians wipe out Isis/Isil



This is a clever move be Russia
In USA they are saying its sad America
could not do the same.
But of course the Lame Duck President
is weak.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

Putin is doing what we in the West should have done a long time ago - fighting fire with even more intense fire. IS HAVE to be eradicated before the entire CIVILISED world is overcome with their toxic and barbaric bloody insanity.

Obama must be crying at the thought of all his extreme Muslim brethren finally getting the crap bombed out of them.

[smudgie]

Am I the only one that thinks this will end in tears.
Putin killing the extremists is great, but he is after Assads enemies as well, not so good.

[kirklancaster]

Am I the only one that thinks this will end in tears.
Putin killing the extremists is great, but he is after Assads enemies as well, not so good.

I agree that this is not a PERFECT solution Smudgie, but it is at least a very genuine attempt at some sort of solution. I beleive that it is far better to eradicate a pandemic disease, even if it means later having to address a localised one.

[lostalex]

Someone really needs to remind Russia of their place. They are getting a bit too big for their britches.

[Livia]

Someone really needs to remind Russia of their place. They are getting a bit too big for their britches.

Agree with this. Russia sees herself as some kind of hero... when the reverse may well turn out to be true.

[user104658]

Fighting the very widely, very thinly spread geurilla forces of ISIS using "really big bombs" will definitely work. Definitely. The logic is infallible: it's based on professional exterminators and their advice for how to deal with wasps' nests. You know. When they're like "throw a basketball at it, that'll probably kill all of them."

[user104658]

Someone really needs to remind Russia of their place. They are getting a bit too big for their britches.

Didn't George III say something similar about a scrappy group of colonials?

[Livia]

Russia has never been that bothered about collateral damage.

[user104658]

Russia has never been that bothered about collateral damage.

It's not even about that, unless they actually nuke the entire country off the map. They're trying to fight small, scattered, tribe-like groups of poorly trained (i.e. expendible) fighters using traditional country-vs-county war tactics. It won't work. It didn't work in Afghanistan for the West OR Russia, and it won't work in Syria :shrug:

[Livia]

It's not even about that, unless they actually nuke the entire country off the map. They're trying to fight small, scattered, tribe-like groups of poorly trained (i.e. expendible) fighters using traditional country-vs-county war tactics. It won't work. It didn't work in Afghanistan for the West OR Russia, and it won't work in Syria :shrug:

Yes, I understand.

And... I agree.



*lays down with a cold compress on my head"

[joeysteele]

Putin does appear to have outplayed Obama in this.

Looking at the mess we have left in Libya after our interference there getting rid of Gadaffi, well it may yet still be that Assad will have to be part of a solution.

As unsavoury as that may be, we have left a mess for the likes if IS to move into form our past efforts in the region, maybe Putin will succeed where Obama and us never could.

[kirklancaster]

Putin does appear to have outplayed Obama in this.

Looking at the mess we have left in Libya after our interference there getting rid of Gadaffi, well it may yet still be that Assad will have to be part of a solution.

As unsavoury as that may be, we have left a mess for the lies if IS to move into form our past efforts in the region, maybe Putin will succeed where Obama and us never could.

Good post Joey.

[waterhog]

the whole thing is a mess - but what is the next move to sorting it out ? we need head round a table.

[joeysteele]

Good post Joey.

Thank you Kirk and I agree with your first post above too, well said.

[kirklancaster]

It's not even about that, unless they actually nuke the entire country off the map. They're trying to fight small, scattered, tribe-like groups of poorly trained (i.e. expendible) fighters using traditional country-vs-county war tactics. It won't work. It didn't work in Afghanistan for the West OR Russia, and it won't work in Syria :shrug:

Syria and Iraq are completely different 'Theatre of Wars' than Afghanistan and the latest 'intelligence' is that IS are far more organised and orthadox 'tactics-wise' than previously thought. In any event, the 'CIVILISED' nations have to do SOMETHING before it is all too late.

Perhaps then the inimitable Val Kilmer has the answer in his role of Doc Holliday:

watch?v=t2PXlUjWz5M

[waterhog]

I think our hands are tied - and it must not be a usa or uk led action - the world need to act but it aint gonner happen.

[user104658]

Syria and Iraq are completely different 'Theatre of Wars' than Afghanistan and the latest 'intelligence' is that IS are far more organised and orthadox 'tactics-wise' than previously thought. In any event, the 'CIVILISED' nations have to do SOMETHING before it is all too late.

Perhaps then the inimitable Val Kilmer has the answer in his role of Doc Holliday:

watch?v=t2PXlUjWz5M
Iraq (in the beginning) was (technically) a war on a country though, against an entrenched leadership, with a somewhat standard army with defined bases with military equipment that could be destroyed, and with specific capture / conquer objectives. ISIS is an ideology, there's no leadership that isn't easily replaced, no head of the snake. There's nothing to bomb or capture that won't simply result in more displaced, angry people for them to convert to their hateful way of thinking and use as more cannon fodder.

ISIS is everywhere, you can't bomb it, it's like trying to cure someone of a virus by throwing rocks at them until they die.

[Niamh.]

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

Putin is doing what we in the West should have done a long time ago - fighting fire with even more intense fire. IS HAVE to be eradicated before the entire CIVILISED world is overcome with their toxic and barbaric bloody insanity.

Obama must be crying at the thought of all his extreme Muslim brethren finally getting the crap bombed out of them.

:umm2:

[Northern Monkey]

Am I the only one that thinks this will end in tears.
Putin killing the extremists is great, but he is after Assads enemies as well, not so good.
This is what i think too.It's great that IS are getting what they deserve but it's what happens after that concerns me.
There will undoubtedly be a conflict of interests in that region when IS are wiped out.

[kirklancaster]

Iraq (in the beginning) was (technically) a war on a country though, against an entrenched leadership, with a somewhat standard army with defined bases with military equipment that could be destroyed, and with specific capture / conquer objectives. ISIS is an ideology, there's no leadership that isn't easily replaced, no head of the snake. There's nothing to bomb or capture that won't simply result in more displaced, angry people for them to convert to their hateful way of thinking and use as more cannon fodder.

ISIS is everywhere, you can't bomb it, it's like trying to cure someone of a virus by throwing rocks at them until they die.

The old 'Martyr Means Multiplication' crap does not wash with me T.S. I believe in good old maths - the more reductions in a total number, the less that total becomes.

ISIS - like the Islamic religion itself was originally spread - is spread by a combination of intimidation and financial inducement, and very few -- if any --- converts actually believe in its ideologies.

The rationale behind its spread, is the same as that behind the increase in child murder and a host of other crime - there has been no meaningful action taken to stop, punish and deter those responsible.

Success bolsters recruitment, and with each yard forward, with each severed head held aloft, with each ancient monument destroyed with impunity, warped-minded would-be killers flock to join this band of devils. Others, who are more mercenary but guarded, see ISIS unhalted success and decide that the great cash incentives offered to recruits courtesy of the captured oil fields and ransoms paid over to ISIS, are NOW worth the rapidly diminishing risk of being killed for their troubles.

Apathy, lethargy, impotency and dithering on the part of the Western powers have been ISIS's GREATEST recruitment aide.

You are building them up into some mythical status - ISIS is no Hydra. Yes, Commanders and heads can be replaced - but that is so in ANY army, but this is no; 'Cut off its head and two regrows' Hydra scenario.

Start to BEAT them and not only will you deplete their numbers by the 'Dead Injun' method, but those who join for money will think twice, those who have been 'press ganged' into joining ISIS will flee as the chance affords itself, and SUCCESS will breed further success .

They have far reaching tendrils - partly because of Western apathy and lethargy - but they are NOT unbeatable.

There are numerous defunct ideologies, and there is nothing like slaughtering the bastards who hold this evil ideology to ensure that it goes the same way.

[kirklancaster]

This is what i think too.It's great that IS are getting what they deserve but it's what happens after that concerns me.
There will undoubtedly be a conflict of interests in that region when IS are wiped out.

I understand your concern Paul, but ISIS are THE singlemost threat to mankind which this world has ever faced. and its TOTAL eradication is all that must concern us at this critical point in time. Any secondary problems caused by eradicating this scum will be easily addressed by comparison.

[Northern Monkey]

I understand your concern Paul, but ISIS are THE singlemost threat to mankind which this world has ever faced. and its TOTAL eradication is all that must concern us at this critical point in time. Any secondary problems caused by eradicating this scum will be easily addressed by comparison.
I agree with everything you have said regarding IS.I just think that Putin has much more up his sleeve.Russian jets have already been detected entering Turkish airspace and Putin has been doing his usual and saying "it was an accident" which it clearly was'nt.Turkey have said they'll react with force if it happens again and NATO are backing them since they are a member state.I think Putin has yet again out witted Obama which i also think is dangerous.The US will be on high alert watching every move that Putin makes and if they don't like what they are seeing it will definately cause tensions.
Imo Russia is only in this for Russia and has longer term plans.Our media are already discrediting what Putin is doing which i think wether they are right or wrong,It is a dangerous sign.

[lostalex]

Hillary knows how to deal with Putin. She will stare down that beady-eye'd, man titty having, napoleon-wannabe little nerd.

She will tell him how things are, and he ain't gonna do nothin about it. She is the strong leader we need to counter Putin.



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[Nedusa]

Am I the only one that thinks this will end in tears.
Putin killing the extremists is great, but he is after Assads enemies as well, not so good.

I am pleased Russia has got involved in the battle to destroy these terrorists. they will seek out and destroy from the air all Isis and other terrorist group's assets and then Hezbollah or Iranian troops will go in on the ground and try wipe out the remaining pockets of Isis resistance.

Last time I looked Russia had been invited by the Syrian Govt (still a Sovereign Nation) to help them fight the Chaos enveloping their Country. I don't care one bit which terrorist group Russia destroys ,I hope Russia wipes them all out as they are all fanatical murderers. I'm not saying Assad is any better but he had, up to 18 Months ago control of his Country and it's borders.

Now after constant meddling by other World powers pursuing their own selfish geopolitical agendas Syria is a mess, awash with all manner of weaponry and now in the hands of subhuman slime.

It's time to drain the cesspit and try and bring order back where currently there is only anarchy. if that means Assad stays in power for a few more years then so be it, he will be gone in a few years anyhow one way or another.

The current problem is the 50 or so terrorists groups running around Syria armed to the teeth killing men, women and children in the most barbaric ways imaginable.

The West really needs to get a grip and stop playing politics with people's lifes, if Russia is the only Country big enough and strong enough to make a stand and tackle this growing and dangerous problem then that's Ok, Putin gets my vote.

[lostalex]

I am pleased Russia has got involved in the battle to destroy these terrorists. they will seek out and destroy from the air all Isis and other terrorist group's assets and then Hezbollah or Iranian troops will go in on the ground and try wipe out the remaining pockets of Isis resistance.

Last time I looked Russia had been invited by the Syrian Govt (still a Sovereign Nation) to help them fight the Chaos enveloping their Country. I don't care one bit which terrorist group Russia destroys ,I hope Russia wipes them all out as they are all fanatical murderers. I'm not saying Assad is any better but he had, up to 18 Months ago control of his Country and it's borders.



North Korea is also a Sovereign nation, would you also support Russia if they were dropping bombs on rebels fighting to free their country from their undemocratic tyrannical leader KIM ILL UNG JONG whatever the **** his name is?

[Nedusa]

Someone really needs to remind Russia of their place. They are getting a bit too big for their britches.

and just exactly what is "their place"..?

Typical response from an American sheep who knows nothing about the world they live in other than what they have been fed through a prism of right wing neo con claptrap coupled with a right wing media that would make Hitler blush.

[lostalex]

and just exactly what is "their place"..?

Typical response from an American sheep who knows nothing about the world they live in other than what they have been fed through a prism of right wing neo con claptrap coupled with a right wing media that would make Hitler blush.

that's a disgustingly racist generalization of Americans Nedusa, shame on you.

Russia's place is a former communist country that still has major problems with freedom of press, homophobia, corruption i mean basically they are being taken over by the KGB from the 80's. They are a tiny power with more than enough problems at home to be trying to pretend to be a super power. There is nothing super or powerful about Russia. how do you not see that?

Russia has "annexed land"(invaded and stolen) from 2 countries in the last 8 years.

[Niamh.]

that's a disgustingly racist generalization of Americans Nedusa, shame on you.

and Russias place is a former communist country that still has major problems with freedom of press, homophobia, corruption i mean basically they are being taken over by the KGB from the 80's. how do you not see that? Russia has annexed land from (invaded and stolen) 2 countries in the last 8 years.

Yep. It's a corrupt and dangerous country imo

[Nedusa]

well that's a personal attack and it's unacceptable on this forum. please refrain from attacking me personally. we are having a conversation about world affairs, there should be no personal attacks.

OK...My apologies Lostalex but you always seem to have a lot of anger towards Russia

[lostalex]

OK...My apologies Lostalex but you always seem to have a lot of anger towards Russia

considering i am a gay man, you should expect i would.

[Livia]

I wonder how long it will take for Russia to bomb the Kurds for Assad?

[lostalex]

I wonder how long it will take for Russia to bomb the Kurds for Assad?

considering the rate Putin has ramped things up and his ZERO ****s given about the rest of the world, i wouldn't be shocked if he nuked Kiev tomorrow. He really is acting like a man that has no ****s to give.

[Northern Monkey]

British troops being stationed in the Baltic states to 'Deter more Russian agression'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34472739

[Livia]

considering the rate Putin has ramped things up and his ZERO ****s given about the rest of the world, i wouldn't be shocked if he nuked Kiev tomorrow. He really is acting like man that has no ****s to give.

Yeah, that's what worries me. Putin thinks he is free to do whatever he likes and at the moment, he pretty much is. If he joined up with the rest of the world trying to fight IS and bring about the end of the conflict in Syria it'd be a great coup... sadly he's got his own agenda.

[lostalex]

Yeah, that's what worries me. Putin thinks he is free to do whatever he likes and at the moment, he pretty much is. If he joined up with the rest of the world trying to fight IS and bring about the end of the conflict in Syria it'd be a great coup... sadly he's got his own agenda.

He doesn't care about people. not even his own people. He cares about being a historical figure. he's a megalomaniac. just look at how he orchestrated his presidency, having a stand in to get around the limitations of presidential terms with Medvedev as his puppet, just waiting in the wings that whole time scheming. he really is a scary nefarious character. The narcissistic photo opportunities he insists on killing tigers or going deep sea diving. he's a lunatic.

Hillary definitely knows this and would not give him a ****ing inch.

[Livia]

Agree, lostalex.

And he has cold, dead, shark eyes.

[lostalex]

Agree, lostalex.

And he has cold, dead, shark eyes.

if he was born in America i have no doubt he would have been one of those kids that shoots up his school because he was too short to get on the football team and no girl would go to prom with him.

[Livia]

I can see that, alex.

[lostalex]

I can see that, alex.

http://aboveaverage.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/hillary_sleeping_glasses.jpg

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah, that's what worries me. Putin thinks he is free to do whatever he likes and at the moment, he pretty much is. If he joined up with the rest of the world trying to fight IS and bring about the end of the conflict in Syria it'd be a great coup... sadly he's got his own agenda.

:clap1:Exactly my point.

[arista]

:shrug:Putin does appear to have outplayed Obama in this.

Looking at the mess we have left in Libya after our interference there getting rid of Gadaffi, well it may yet still be that Assad will have to be part of a solution.

As unsavoury as that may be, we have left a mess for the likes if IS to move into form our past efforts in the region, maybe Putin will succeed where Obama and us never could.


Bang On right Joey
Novo's Putin
is The Man in Charge

[lostalex]

:shrug:


Bang On right Joey
Novo's Putin
is The Man in Charge

he's in charge like the Joker is in charge of Arkham.

[arista]

No Alex he s taking over from your lot

[Northern Monkey]

When the **** starts flying it really won't matter who's to blame and who started what or who's right and who's wrong.I think both sides are at fault and the situation as a whole is quite worrying.

[lostalex]

No Alex he s taking over from your lot

that doesn't make any sense what's your name again? my lot has made the world peaceful since the tyrannical nazi's and soviets.

[lostalex]

When the **** starts flying it really won't matter who's to blame and who started what or who's right and who's wrong.I think both sides are at fault and the situation as a whole is quite worrying.

wel that;s a silly opinion to have, you are basically saying you blame everyone no matter who is more at fault. you should really put more thought into your opinions.

[arista]

that doesn't make any sense what's your name again? my lot has made the world peaceful since the tyrannical nazi's and soviets.



UK





America got Dragged into WW2 by Japan

They had a agreement to not help us in 1940

[Northern Monkey]

wel that;s a silly opinion to have, you are basically saying you blame everyone no matter who is more at fault. you should really put more thought into your opinions.What i am saying is that.If it did kick off properly.In the end it would'nt matter who was at fault.We would all be either vapourised or dead from radiation sickness.America is not perfect and neither are Russia.There is fault on both sides.

[kirklancaster]

What i am saying is that.If it did kick off properly.In the end it would'nt matter who was at fault.We would all be either vapourised or dead from radiation sickness.

Not me Paul - I know where Arista's bunker is and we're mates. :smug:

[Northern Monkey]

Not me Paul - I know where Arista's bunker is and we're mates. :smug:

Ha.He will already have his setup ready so you can watch repeats of 'The Wright Stuff' on channel 5 HD in sublime surround sound:laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Ha.He will already have his setup ready so you can watch repeats of 'The Wright Stuff' on channel 5 HD in sublime surround sound:laugh:

:laugh2:

[lostalex]

What i am saying is that.If it did kick off properly.In the end it would'nt matter who was at fault.We would all be either vapourised or dead from radiation sickness.America is not perfect and neither are Russia.There is fault on both sides.

but you are making it sound like America and Russia are equal. but that's just not true.

America is superior to Russia in every conceivable way. There is not one single instance in which Russia is in anyway even comparable to America.

Russia is INFERIOR to America in every single way.

[Northern Monkey]

but you are making it sound like America and Russia are equal. but that's just not true.

America is superior to Russia in every conceivable way. There is not one single instance in which Russia is in anyway even comparable to America.

Russia is INFERIOR to America in every single way.Being superior does'nt negate or absolve blame or responsibility.Yes Russia is a backwards country in comparison with America but does that make America totally blameless?Mistakes can be made by anybody.Nobody is perfect.

[arista]

Being superior does'nt negate or absolve blame or responsibility.Yes Russia is a backwards country in comparison with America but does that make America totally blameless?Mistakes can be made by anybody.Nobody is perfect.

Bang On Right NM

[bots]

but you are making it sound like America and Russia are equal. but that's just not true.

America is superior to Russia in every conceivable way. There is not one single instance in which Russia is in anyway even comparable to America.

Russia is INFERIOR to America in every single way.

Wow, xenophobia or what?

Part of the reason that Russian's behave as they do is exactly because of the superior way the American people behave toward them.

Russia has in no way been blameless throughout recent history, but these attitudes sure don't help. If the USA learned some humility, it would be a bloody good start rather than forcing their own agenda on any country that has the audacity to disagree with them.

To say that Russia is only following their own agenda when America has been forcing its own agenda on anyone it can for decades is an unbelievable stance to say the least.

Every single country involved has an agenda, if they have a common goal, they should cooperate and work together rather than trying to score childish points against each other at every turn.

[kirklancaster]

Wow, xenophobia or what?

Part of the reason that Russian's behave as they do is exactly because of the superior way the American people behave toward them.

Russia has in no way been blameless throughout recent history, but these attitudes sure don't help. If the USA learned some humility, it would be a bloody good start rather than forcing their own agenda on any country that has the audacity to disagree with them.

To say that Russia is only following their own agenda when America has been forcing its own agenda on anyone it can for decades is an unbelievable stance to say the least.

Every single country involved has an agenda, if they have a common goal, they should cooperate and work together rather than trying to score childish points against each other at every turn.

Great to see you posting again mate - Welcome back.

[lostalex]

Being superior does'nt negate or absolve blame or responsibility.Yes Russia is a backwards country in comparison with America but does that make America totally blameless?Mistakes can be made by anybody.Nobody is perfect.

okay nobody is perfect, but we are definitely closer than RUSSIA.

Please stop pretending like Russia is just some country trying to do well and just happens to make some mistakes... no no. They are not even TRYING to do right.

[JoshBB]

Someone really needs to remind Russia of their place. They are getting a bit too big for their britches.

Just like America then :smug:

[lostalex]

Just like America then :smug:

no, America is quite sure of it's place... Masters of the Universe.

[JoshBB]

no, America is quite sure of it's place... Masters of the Universe.

Yeah, okay..

When you're ready to stop with the arrogant and obnoxious flag-waving, come back and have sensible debate.

[jennyjuniper]

Am I the only one that thinks this will end in tears.
Putin killing the extremists is great, but he is after Assads enemies as well, not so good.

He's after the oil.:shrug:

[Northern Monkey]

okay nobody is perfect, but we are definitely closer than RUSSIA.

Please stop pretending like Russia is just some country trying to do well and just happens to make some mistakes... no no. They are not even TRYING to do right.
If you read my earlier posts i don't think Russia are just trying to do right.I am very skeptical of Russia's reasons for bombing in Syria.I don't just think it's to eliminate ISIS.I don't even think Russia cares that much about ISIS.I do think they are there to prop up Assad and i think they are there to build military bases in Syria and to slow down what they see as western dominance over the middle east and in world affairs and i think they want to show that America are not the only 'big dogs' in the world.I also think they are deliberatley hitting the so called 'moderates' in the region to not only diminish the threat to Assad but to have a prod at America who have trained and armed some of these.
I think they are flying jets into NATO air space just to show that they can and that they are arrogant enough to do so and are not scared of the west.
I think all this comes from what they see as a threat from western expansionism with EU country's popping up all over their borders.We saw what happened when their puppet was removed from power in Ukraine,They invaded it so a western puppet could not start running the show.The Russians don't want Ukraine becoming a member of the EU or Nato,They have interests in the Ukraine.The Back Sea Fleet etc.They do not want another EU country popping up on their border.
Like i said i think both sides are somewhat to blame and in the end it does'nt matter who is more to blame because when these two bulls butt heads the fallout will be devastating!
There are far too many military presences currently in Syria.Let's just hope a 'proxy war' is not staged their which could lead to much worse.
Britain are now sending troops to the Baltic countries to deter any more Russian aggression.How will Russia react to that?Who knows.

[Northern Monkey]

On top of that Russia has decided to launch a few at Iran too.:laugh:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34479873

[lostalex]

If you read my earlier posts i don't think Russia are just trying to do right.I am very skeptical of Russia's reasons for bombing in Syria.I don't just think it's to eliminate ISIS.I don't even think Russia cares that much about ISIS.I do think they are there to prop up Assad and i think they are there to build military bases in Syria and to slow down what they see as western dominance over the middle east and in world affairs and i think they want to show that America are not the only 'big dogs' in the world.I also think they are deliberatley hitting the so called 'moderates' in the region to not only diminish the threat to Assad but to have a prod at America who have trained and armed some of these.
I think they are flying jets into NATO air space just to show that they can and that they are arrogant enough to do so and are not scared of the west.
.

I definitely agree with this.

[Kizzy]

Which is maybe why we're trying to make China our new BFFs? they have an ok relationship with Russia due to their help with fuel not so long back I thought.

[Livia]

China has a strong relationship with Russia because of communism... and the UK are surely trying to forge stronger links with China for a myriad of reasons, the strongest of which is commerce. I don't think the effort being put into forging links with China would be justified on the off-chance that they might speak to Russia on our behalf.

[Kizzy]

Commerce, what is it we have that they need...Apart from London?
Are we not morphing to fit, I think we are... surveillance, monitoring, reduced human rights.

[Livia]

We want their businesses here, bringing jobs for a start. And we want our imports an exports to run smoothly... I think that China will not want to get involved as a go-between, risking good relations with everyone their emerging economy is relying on.

Surveillance and monitoring are being used for a reason, no one's interested in putting you or me under surveillance and monitoring our movements Kizzy... as for Human Rights, well... if you think we have a bad record on Human Rights, you really need to look at other countries and recognise how free we are in this country. Although you always seem to have this 'glass half empty' view when it comes to looking at the UK for some reason. This thread isn't about that... and yet you manage to drag it round to that same old argument.

[bots]

There is no love lost between Russia and China, never has been and never will. They have completely different ideologies. China needs our technology and our know how, we need people to buy our stuff so China at the moment is an ideal match. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Kizzy]

We want their businesses here, bringing jobs for a start. And we want our imports an exports to run smoothly... I think that China will not want to get involved as a go-between, risking good relations with everyone their emerging economy is relying on.

Surveillance and monitoring are being used for a reason, no one's interested in putting you or me under surveillance and monitoring our movements Kizzy... as for Human Rights, well... if you think we have a bad record on Human Rights, you really need to look at other countries and recognise how free we are in this country. Although you always seem to have this 'glass half empty' view when it comes to looking at the UK for some reason. This thread isn't about that... and yet you manage to drag it round to that same old argument.

Sigh... I didn't post in this thread for a character profile from you Liv, If you don't like my views then simply don't respond to me please.
I have the right (atm) to say whatever I like about wherever I like.

[kirklancaster]

OK, neither country is perfect - none are - but I will say it again; God forbid the day when Israel falls in the Middle East and America falls in the West, because then the UK will fall too - - along with every other civilised country in the world.

[Nedusa]

considering the rate Putin has ramped things up and his ZERO ****s given about the rest of the world, i wouldn't be shocked if he nuked Kiev tomorrow. He really is acting like a man that has no ****s to give.

More anti Russian drivel...... Wish Putin would drop a few nukes , preferably on California :laugh:

[arista]

More anti Russian drivel...... Wish Putin would drop a few nukes , preferably on California :laugh:


No One War at a time N.

[Northern Monkey]

OK, neither country is perfect - none are - but I will say it again; God forbid the day when Israel falls in the Middle East and America falls in the West, because then the UK will fall too - - along with every other civilised country in the world.

I agree.There needs to be balance.
Speaking of Israel.Saw an awful story last night on the news.An Israely woman and her little boy were stood in the street when a "lone wolf" Palestinian man came and stabbed her 13 times and when she fell to the ground pleading for help and for somebody to take her son away to somewhere safe all the Palestinian women around refused to help and some were even shouting "Die" at her.It was ****ing awful.

[Iceman]

no, America is quite sure of it's place... Masters of the Universe.

You seem to hold yourself in very high regard there. Masters of what?? I think you need to look at other view points. Not everyone has the same views as you and you'd be a kidding yourself if you thought that.

[lostalex]

You seem to hold yourself in very high regard there. Masters of what?? I think you need to look at other view points. Not everyone has the same views as you and you'd be a kidding yourself if you thought that.

Masters of Science, Technology, Space Exploration, Medicine, Business, Art, Film, Literature, Music, Fashion....basically everything.

[Iceman]

Masters of Science, Technology, Space Exploration, Medicine, Business, Art, Film, Literature, Music, Fashion....basically everything.

Again missing the point. Keep being arrogant like that though suits the image I have of Americans.

[lostalex]

Again missing the point. Keep being arrogant like that though suits the image I have of Americans.

Which nationality are you?

[kirklancaster]

Which nationality are you?

Eoin is a Tibbian. :laugh:

[Iceman]

Which nationality are you?

Russian.

[arista]

Eoin is a Tibbian. :laugh:


Yes on the Top level