Shocking

[Will.]

EastEnders uploaded images of the new transgender actor on set with Stacey Branning (Lacey Turner).

They looked like they were getting on brilliantly.

And I looked at the comments and someone wrote:

"Makes me feel sick."

What a disgusting thing to say.

[Ashley.]

The older you get, the more you learn to accept that there are disgusting people in this world.

[Will.]

I reported the comment to FB, probs won't do anything though.

[JoshBB]

The older you get, the more you learn to accept that there are disgusting people in this world.

You shouldn't have to accept that there are disgusting people, and personally I won't. It's better to fight bad attitudes than tolerate them, imo.

[Ashley.]

You shouldn't have to accept that there are disgusting people, and personally I won't. It's better to fight bad attitudes than tolerate them, imo.

I'm too focused on my own life to worry about those sorts of people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

maybe it did make them feel sick

[Will.]

He deserves to be punched in the face.

[Crimson Dynamo]

what makes me sick are idiotic soaps chasing ratings bandwagons and having no credibility

[Crimson Dynamo]

He deserves to be punched in the face.

he?

[Will.]

Yes a man wrote the comment LT

[Will.]

Transphobia is not acceptable IMO

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes a man wrote the comment LT

well maybe he does not like the idea of this storyline or transgender people make him feel euphemistically sick

stop judging from your ivory tower

[Crimson Dynamo]

Transphobia is not acceptable IMO

well he thinks it is


he is probably at home with a dildo up his arse, suspenders on having a wank so I would not lose sleep over it

[Will.]

well maybe he does not like the idea of this storyline or transgender people make him feel euphemistically sick

stop judging from your ivory tower
So you support Transphobia?

[Crimson Dynamo]

So you support Transphboia?

is that the only conclusion you can draw from not everyone agreeing with you?

[Will.]

is that the only conclusion you can draw from not everyone agreeing with you?

I just think Racism or homophobia Is not acceptable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's never acceptable.

but you do realise its out there?

[Will.]

but you do realise its out there?

Obviously.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Obviously.

then dont worry about it.

[Will.]

then dont worry about it.

I know I shouldn't but it just is very annoying.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I know I shouldn't but it just is very annoying.

is this about the hair dye?


will are you on a journey?

[Ashley.]

is this about the hair dye?


will are you on a journey?

you drunk?

[Lostie!]

stop judging from your ivory tower

How exactly does that apply to Will in the slightest? Does having a problem with hateful bigotry now make someone judgemental and disconnected from the real world or something? :conf:

If you want to tell someone to "stop judging", it would be more relevant to direct it to people saying transgender people make them "feel sick".

[Will.]

is this about the hair dye?


will are you on a journey?

What has wanting to get my hair coloured got to do with me being against transphobia.

[Crimson Dynamo]

you drunk?

:nono: no

visiting me old mum tomoz so no bevvy

[Crimson Dynamo]

How exactly does that apply to Will in the slightest? Does having a problem with hateful bigotry now make someone judgemental and disconnected from the real world or something? :conf:

If you want to tell someone to "stop judging", it would be more relevant to direct it to people saying transgender people make them "feel sick".

its a comment in isolation about a sh1tty EE storyline

no context, no idea if real, in jest, to wind up etc


ie no point getting on your high horse on some "i hate all hate me" crusade

its the internet not the Lords

[Marsh.]

well he thinks it is


he is probably at home with a dildo up his arse, suspenders on having a wank so I would not lose sleep over it

:shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked: omfg

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Livia]

We need a link back to this thread the next time freedom of speech is discussed.

[kirklancaster]

We need a link back to this thread the next time freedom of speech is discussed.

And how.

[Rob!]

Freedom of speech doesn't include transphobia and if you think it does then that's a problem you personally need to address instead of using it as a defence whenever somebody is offended by an offensive remark directed towards a minority.

[kirklancaster]

Which poster are you responding to Rob?

[Rob!]

It's just a sweeping statement. :)

[Lostie!]

I'm all for freedom of speech but if someone is just being hateful and offensive, they deserve to be called out. Anyone with half a brain cell (and who doesn't actually wish to insult somebody) would be able to state their view in a much more mature way.

[Will.]

IMO racism and homophobia/transphobia etc. is never acceptable, it's called MORAL VALUES.

[Ninastar]

Please tell me they are not doing a Stacey branning transgender storyline.

[Rob!]

Please tell me they are not doing a Stacey branning transgender storyline.

I don't think it was a before and after photo

[Marsh.]

It's just a sweeping statement. :)

:joker:

[Marsh.]

Please tell me they are not doing a Stacey branning transgender storyline.

:joker:

No. She becomes friends with the new transgender character.

[Will.]

Has there ever been a transgender cross over storyline, as in a character i.e Stacey Branning wanted to have transgender surgery?

[Ninastar]

Okay cause I was gonna say, what the actual ****.

[Marsh.]

Has there ever been a transgender cross over storyline, as in a character i.e Stacey Branning wanted to have transgender surgery?

Not in Eastenders but Hayley in Corrie came in as a pre-op and went to Amsterdam or something for the surgery.

[Will.]

Not in Eastenders but Hayley in Corrie came in as a pre-op and went to Amsterdam or something for the surgery.

oh ok, so theres was another actor who played her in the beginning?

[Rob!]

I'm sure Hollyoaks has done it at some point or somebody deciding they wanted to become a sandwich or something.

[Rob!]

oh ok, so theres was another actor who played her in the beginning?

No, she came in post op.

[Marsh.]

oh ok, so theres was another actor who played her in the beginning?

No, the same non-transgender actress.

[Marsh.]

No, she came in post op.

She didn't. :nono:

[Lostie!]

I'm sure Hollyoaks has done it at some point or somebody deciding they wanted to become a sandwich or something.

https://media.giphy.com/media/d70xjWltzPoPe/giphy.gif

[Rob!]

She didn't. :nono:

She did didn't she? Hayley came in as a bit of a joke storyline at first because some characters were trying to match make for Roy and they got on really well. She then told him she was transsexual over dinner or something.

[Rob!]

Oi... this isn't about me and what I believe.

I just don't think the freedom of speech argument can be used to defend bigotry, sorry. :shrug:

[Marsh.]

She did didn't she? Hayley came in as a bit of a joke storyline at first because some characters were trying to match make for Roy and they got on really well. She then told him she was transsexual over dinner or something.

Yeah, but she still had a penis.

He helped her when she flew abroad for the surgery. :omgno:

[Livia]

I just don't think the freedom of speech argument can be used to defend bigotry, sorry. :shrug:

Apologies Rob, I deleted my post because I assumed you were replying to me, but you said it was a "sweeping statement".

[kirklancaster]

It's just a sweeping statement. :)

I know LT is not homophobic or Transphobic, but he 'kids' a lot jokingly, and I think his humour has been misunderstood Rob.

[Will.]

No, the same non-transgender actress.

Oh ok, thanks.

[Rob!]

I'm aware of LT's wind up sense of humour (now :joker: ).


It's fine Livia, I just hate it when someone preaches that they have the freedom of speech when it's such a horrid remark like Will posted. Saying that a picture of a transsexual makes you sick, when that person probably wouldn't even have realised if it hadn't been pointed out to them isn't freedom of speech. It's a comment meant to offend and hurt.

[kirklancaster]

She did didn't she? Hayley came in as a bit of a joke storyline at first because some characters were trying to match make for Roy and they got on really well. She then told him she was transsexual over dinner or something.

This is the way I remember it too Rob.

[Rob!]

Yeah, but she still had a penis.

He helped her when she flew abroad for the surgery. :omgno:

Aww is that when they did that scene through the window :flutter:

[kirklancaster]

I'm aware of LT's wind up sense of humour (now :joker: ).


It's fine Livia, I just hate it when someone preaches that they have the freedom of speech when it's such a horrid remark like Will posted. Saying that a picture of a transsexual makes you sick, when that person probably wouldn't even have realised if it hadn't been pointed out to them isn't freedom of speech. It's a comment meant to offend and hurt.

Yeah - The original 'makes me sick' comment is purely despicable.

[Livia]

I'm aware of LT's wind up sense of humour (now :joker: ).


It's fine Livia, I just hate it when someone preaches that they have the freedom of speech when it's such a horrid remark like Will posted. Saying that a picture of a transsexual makes you sick, when that person probably wouldn't even have realised if it hadn't been pointed out to them isn't freedom of speech. It's a comment meant to offend and hurt.

I understand that Rob. I made my original comment because there is often a discussion on here about censorship and people's right to voice their own opinion. I actually agree with you.

[JoshBB]

I know LT is not homophobic or Transphobic, but he 'kids' a lot jokingly, and I think his humour has been misunderstood Rob.

I think it's inappropriate to 'kid' about being transphobic when there are huge amounts of hate crime towards transpeople.

The average person has a 1 in 18,000 chance of being murdered.

For transgender people that is 1 in 12. If you also happen to be black, then it's 1 in 8.

It's not funny, it's not wise, and it's not appropriate.

[Marsh.]

1 in 8 black people are murdered?

Can I see the software you're using to store this data?

[kirklancaster]

I think it's inappropriate to 'kid' about being transphobic when there are huge amounts of hate crime towards transpeople.

The average person has a 1 in 18,000 chance of being murdered.

For transgender people that is 1 in 12. If you also happen to be black, then it's 1 in 8.

It's not funny, it's not wise, and it's not appropriate.

I'm sure that LT can - and will - answer for himself, but I will explain what I meant in the post you've quoted and taken me to task for, because you have misunderstood it.

I did not mean that LT was kidding about the actual transphobic comment, but was gently teasing Will about getting so wound up about what some knobhead said AND where they he had said it. At least that is how I perceived LT's comments.

It was LT more than anyone else on here who actually condemned the knobhead who made the Transphobic comment, in fact he 'ripped him apart' by saying that he probably: 'had a dildo stuck up him and was wanking himself off' so don't worry about it Will' - or words to that effect.

Please refrain from trying to make out that I have any Homophobia, Transphobia, Xenophobia or any other kind of phobia - or that I support anyone who has them, because I don't.

I was marching with Gays and fighting for their rights before you were even born, and the only thing I may be guilty of which you continue to misunderstand - is having a sense of perspective AND a sense of humour.

[kirklancaster]

1 in 8 black people are murdered?

Can I see the software you're using to store this data?

He probably means in South Africa by other blacks, or Detroit etc ditto.

[Babayaro.]

well he thinks it is


he is probably at home with a dildo up his arse, suspenders on having a wank so I would not lose sleep over it

Post of the year?

[arista]

EastEnders uploaded images of the new transgender actor on set with Stacey Branning (Lacey Turner).

They looked like they were getting on brilliantly.

And I looked at the comments and someone wrote:

"Makes me feel sick."

What a disgusting thing to say.


WILL
I do not watch enders
why the Feck have you Not Given me & TIBB
a Image



Life Is Short

[arista]

I know LT is not homophobic or Transphobic, but he 'kids' a lot jokingly, and I think his humour has been misunderstood Rob.


how nice

[Babayaro.]

I love Arista

[arista]

I think it's inappropriate to 'kid' about being transphobic when there are huge amounts of hate crime towards transpeople.

The average person has a 1 in 18,000 chance of being murdered.

For transgender people that is 1 in 12. If you also happen to be black, then it's 1 in 8.

It's not funny, it's not wise, and it's not appropriate.


Yes but you are talking about of your own
personal view

Not a TIBB view



Life In The Fast Lane

[Jake.]

I like how you say 'feck' instead of the ruder word Arista it's a good quality

[arista]

I like how you say 'feck' instead of the ruder word Arista it's a good quality


Yes its a Senior Tibb Subcode



Life In The City

[Ammi]

..I don't understand this thread..I mean in terms of LT because his remark was against the person/comment that was offensive..he just expressed it in a light-hearted way...he hasn't got anything to 'answer for'...

[arista]

..I don't understand this thread..I mean in terms of LT because his remark was against the person/comment that was offensive..he just expressed it in a light-hearted way...he hasn't go anything to 'answer for'...



But Why won't Will
Post a Photo?

[Ammi]

But Why won't Will
Post a Photo?

..a photo of what Arista/I don't understand..?..

[arista]

..a photo of what Arista/I don't understand..?..


Go to Very First Post

[Ammi]

..I love it when you direct me ..:laugh:..but do you mean the images of the actors getting along on set or the offensive comment made..?..I understand wht you mean if it's the comment but I also don't think it's essential to post it either because although made by one person, it's surely more highlighting a prejudice shown in general..?..

[arista]

..I love it when you direct me ..:laugh:..but do you mean the images of the actors getting along on set or the offensive comment made..?..I understand wht you mean if it's the comment but I also don't think it's essential to post it either because although made by one person, it's surely more highlighting a prejudice shown in general..?..


No he must post the Image
I do not watch enders
yes the actor
don't you do it


Let the Young Tibbers LEARN

[Marsh.]

To be fair, the image has nothing to do with anything tbh. You don't need to see what the person looks like to engage in a debate about acceptable language when it comes to transphobia.

If you're suggesting something could be in the image to account for the "Makes me sick" comment, then there isn't.

http://i2.cdnds.net/15/41/618x473/soaps-eastenders-kyle-stacey-branning-1.jpg

Unless, like me, he's disgusted by that hideous grey scarf.

[arista]

To be fair, the image has nothing to do with anything tbh. You don't need to see what the person looks like to engage in a debate about acceptable language when it comes to transphobia.

If you're suggesting something could be in the image to account for the "Makes me sick" comment, then there isn't.

http://i2.cdnds.net/15/41/618x473/soaps-eastenders-kyle-stacey-branning-1.jpg

Unless, like me, he's disgusted by that hideous grey scarf.

No But if a Lad is dressed in a way
I need to see what upsets Young Will

Transphobia - Thats a new fecking word


Yes the Scarf is Hideous

[Marsh.]

No But if a Lad is dressed in a way
I need to see what upsets Young Will

Transphobia - Thats a new fecking word


Yes the Scarf is Hideous

It's not the image that's "upset" Will. It's the way people talk about transsexuals or any other minority group.

But I knew you had great fashion sense.

[arista]

It's not the image that's "upset" Will. It's the way people talk about transsexuals or any other minority group.

But I knew you had great fashion sense.


But that would be normal in the East End Of London
or Borehamwood

There will always be Anti people
why fight them
let them rot

[Marsh.]

:laugh: Yeah, I suppose a link to the article or offending comment would've sufficed.

[Marsh.]

But that would be normal in the East End Of London
or Borehamwood

What do you mean?


There will always be Anti people
why fight them
let them rot

Oh I couldn't agree more. :laugh:

[arista]

"What do you mean? "

enders is meant to be East Of London
of course its made near the Big Brother house

The Writers want codgers getting angry
at a lad in a dress

[Marsh.]

"What do you mean? "

enders is meant to be East Of London
of course its made near the Big Brother house

The Writers want codgers getting angry
at a lad in a dress

I still don't quite know what you mean in relation to the story. :laugh:

But the person in question is a female to male transsexual. No men in dresses here. (Unless you count LT).

[arista]

I still don't quite know what you mean in relation to the story. :laugh:

But the person in question is a female to male transsexual. No men in dresses here. (Unless you count LT).


Nice and Butch

[Ammi]

..Arista is right though..we have to 'go there' with what offends to be able to address prejudice/and prejudice which I presume EE are doing with the storyline...that comment was why/one of the whys of why the storyline is being written I guess...plus the nice fashion scarf angle as well..

[arista]

..Arista is right though..we have to 'go there' with what offends to be able to address prejudice/and prejudice which I presume EE are doing with the storyline...that comment was why/one of the whys of why the storyline is being written I guess...plus the nice fashion scarf angle as well..


No Hideous

[Marsh.]

Nice and Butch

:laugh: I love you.

[Cherie]

EastEnders uploaded images of the new transgender actor on set with Stacey Branning (Lacey Turner).

They looked like they were getting on brilliantly.

And I looked at the comments and someone wrote:

"Makes me feel sick."

What a disgusting thing to say.

Yes it is, that said disgusting things are said in the internet every day, sometimes they are just said for effect or a "laugh", sometimes the person posting believes what they are writing, this type of comment will never be eradicated completely in real life or on the net sadly.

[bots]

returning the original post. People are perfectly free to express an opinion. "makes me sick" is a comment well within the bounds of acceptability. It may be a comment that one doesn't agree with, but that's life.

[Kizzy]

Is 'makes me sick' an opinion, if it's within the realms of acceptability why are so many taking exception to it?
It is what it is, a rather ignorant comment that begs the question ....why?

[bots]

Is 'makes me sick' an opinion, if it's within the realms of acceptability why are so many taking exception to it?
It is what it is, a rather ignorant comment that begs the question ....why?

I ask the same question all the time on forums ... why. There are so many view points I don't personally agree with, but while we may not particularly like someone's attitude or opinion, unless they cross a line of acceptability its just that .. an opinion. I could say the weather makes me sick, its too sunny. You may not agree with me, but I am still within my rights to say it.

[arista]

I ask the same question all the time on forums ... why. There are so many view points I don't personally agree with, but while we may not particularly like someone's attitude or opinion, unless they cross a line of acceptability its just that .. an opinion. I could say the weather makes me sick, its too sunny. You may not agree with me, but I am still within my rights to say it.


But
Feck Me
that keeps changing

[Kizzy]

I ask the same question all the time on forums ... why. There are so many view points I don't personally agree with, but while we may not particularly like someone's attitude or opinion, unless they cross a line of acceptability its just that .. an opinion. I could say the weather makes me sick, its too sunny. You may not agree with me, but I am still within my rights to say it.

You're right, I guess there always will be the ignorant and narrow minded.
I do try not to let their crass comments jar me, but sometimes you just can't help but react.

[Vanessa]

Great, looking forward to it. I love Stacey. :)

[arista]

Great, looking forward to it. I love Stacey. :)


Do you have a Photo?

[Vanessa]

Do you have a Photo?

http://cdn5.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/675x380/2015/10/eastenders_transgender_actor.jpg

Riley Carter Millington

[arista]

http://cdn5.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/675x380/2015/10/eastenders_transgender_actor.jpg

Riley Carter Millington


Right
thats what Marsh was telling me

Thank You Vanessa

[Marsh.]

Not Arista needing another photo. Was mine not good enough? :fist: