View Full Version : German hunter pays £39,000 to shoot largest elephant in Africa
arista
16-10-2015, 01:12 AM
You Bastard
I want a Lion to Eat You.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/15/21/2D73DF0400000578-3274724-image-a-14_1444939655988.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3274724/Anger-biggest-elephant-shot-living-memory-killed-German-hunter-Zimbabwean-game-park.html
EVil German
the worst kind of people on earth, the quicker game hunting is banned for good the better, how these hunters think they can buy a animal's life is disgusting
arista
16-10-2015, 01:32 AM
the worst kind of people on earth, the quicker game hunting is banned for good the better, how these hunters think they can buy a animal's life is disgusting
Bang On Right Novo
Cherie
16-10-2015, 07:19 AM
Makes me sick to look at him, the way the elephant has gone down as if he is sleeping makes me want to cry
arista
16-10-2015, 07:21 AM
Makes me sick to look at him
He needs to be Put Down
no care for our childrens Future
DemolitionRed
16-10-2015, 07:22 AM
the worst kind of people on earth, the quicker game hunting is banned for good the better, how these hunters think they can buy a animal's life is disgusting
Totally :bawling:
Its gun totting madness and its is all about his own insecurities. The bigger and rarer and wilder the game, the better he feels about himself.
Men like this are just about as sick as they come.
People should raise money to pay for his life and shoot him. Knob.
Eurgh.
Time to stick them all in a reserve and let people pay money to hunt them!
Crimson Dynamo
16-10-2015, 08:20 AM
I could not click that article in the DM today. I just cannot understand how anyone could do this.
Humans have been hunter killers since we first started walking the earth. Its not pleasant, but that's what we are.
Livia
16-10-2015, 08:46 AM
Humans have been hunter killers since we first started walking the earth. Its not pleasant, but that's what we are.
You're not including me in the "we" are you? And how long has it been since you paid a fortune to shoot a wild animal?
Humans were "hunter killers" (very sexy name for something quite primeval) in order to eat. That's completely different from someone who kills an animal for fun probably because it's the only way he can get a stiffy.
I wish this man (and I use the word "man" in its loosest possible sense) tragedy and death.
Kizzy
16-10-2015, 08:52 AM
Humans have been hunter killers since we first started walking the earth. Its not pleasant, but that's what we are.
We were hunter gatherers, and you're missing out the evolutionary bit. Do you think for one second neolithic people would've hunted if there was a steakhouse on every corner?
This isn't a sport it's a sick mans fantasy, making thinks more rare, beautiful and powerful than you dead. I am firmly of the mind that all that kill for 'sport' are ill in the head.
Totally :bawling:
Its gun totting madness and its is all about his own insecurities. The bigger and rarer and wilder the game, the better he feels about himself.
Men like this are just about as sick as they come.
One of the most infamous trophy hunters is a woman.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02736/Bachman-bear_2736129c.jpg
You're not including me in the "we" are you? And how long has it been since you paid a fortune to shoot a wild animal?
Humans were "hunter killers" (very sexy name for something quite primeval) in order to eat. That's completely different from someone who kills an animal for fun probably because it's the only way he can get a stiffy.
I wish this man (and I use the word "man" in its loosest possible sense) tragedy and death.
The point i was making is that it is a basic instinct that every single human being has. Granted, its not necessary these days, but it is still what we are.
I have paid to go fishing, it is a legal sport here in the UK, and as long as it remains legal I will continue to do it.
Livia
16-10-2015, 09:09 AM
The point i was making is that it is a basic instinct that every single human being has. Granted, its not necessary these days, but it is still what we are.
I have paid to go fishing, it is a legal sport here in the UK, and as long as it remains legal I will continue to do it.
A fish not an elephant. What did you do with the fish, did you eat it or throw it back?
Shooting an animal for thousands of dollars with a high-powered rifle with no risk at all to yourself is not a basic instinct.
Livia
16-10-2015, 09:10 AM
One of the most infamous trophy hunters is a woman.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02736/Bachman-bear_2736129c.jpg
One out of how many?
Kizzy
16-10-2015, 09:14 AM
The point i was making is that it is a basic instinct that every single human being has. Granted, its not necessary these days, but it is still what we are.
I have paid to go fishing, it is a legal sport here in the UK, and as long as it remains legal I will continue to do it.
Get some perspective, are you trying to equate illegal big game hunting with fishing for tiddlers?...
One out of how many?
Even if she is the only woman in the world that picks up a compound bow and shoots a lion with it for the thrill then it's no longer only men that do it.
A fish not an elephant. What did you do with the fish, did you eat it or throw it back?
Shooting an animal for thousands of dollars with a high-powered rifle with no risk at all to yourself is not a basic instinct.
Was the elephant an endangered species? Was the hunter breaking the law? If the answer to both questions is no, then there is no justification for the outcry toward the hunter. Lobby to get elephants protected, lobby to get hunting banned. It is completely wrong to target people for doing things if they are perfectly legal.
Livia
16-10-2015, 10:08 AM
Was the elephant an endangered species? Was the hunter breaking the law? If the answer to both questions is no, then there is no justification for the outcry toward the hunter. Lobby to get elephants protected, lobby to get hunting banned. It is completely wrong to target people for doing things if they are perfectly legal.
There are two way to look at this. If it's legal, is it automatically moral? Well, no, it isn't. Also, this is Zimbabwe we're talking about. Zimbabwe. Possibly one of the most corrupt regimes in the world so you assuming this is all perfectly legal and above board because someone in Zimbabwe who probably makes money out of this disgusting trade, says it is.
Kizzy
16-10-2015, 10:09 AM
'The most disappointing thing is that when a local Zimbabwean kills an animal for food for his family, he is sentenced to between 5 and 15 years in prison but when a wealthy foreign hunter comes in and shoots an animal, he gets away with it. What message are we giving the people?'
Kazanne
16-10-2015, 10:43 AM
Whoever does this ,man OR woman is pond life imo,and someone who thinks that this is 'ok' is as bad , there is no hope for humanity as long as dregs like this keep getting stiffys by cowardly shooting an animal that has never done them any harm ,I hope there is a mass backlash on this as there was with Cecil,we can do good IF we can get barbarity like this banned,I hope the shooter gets trampled on by the biggest elephant in the herd ,but no such luck eh?
joeysteele
16-10-2015, 10:50 AM
You're not including me in the "we" are you? And how long has it been since you paid a fortune to shoot a wild animal?
Humans were "hunter killers" (very sexy name for something quite primeval) in order to eat. That's completely different from someone who kills an animal for fun probably because it's the only way he can get a stiffy.
I wish this man (and I use the word "man" in its loosest possible sense) tragedy and death.
Strong post and points and well said too.
I just get sickened hearing about these things, I agree with Josy have people pay to hunt the so called hunters.
There are two way to look at this. If it's legal, is it automatically moral? Well, no, it isn't. Also, this is Zimbabwe we're talking about. Zimbabwe. Possibly one of the most corrupt regimes in the world so you assuming this is all perfectly legal and above board because someone in Zimbabwe who probably makes money out of this disgusting trade, says it is.
You don't win cases in court based on morality. I don't want to come across as overly harsh, but there is a point of principle here. Those suggesting the hunter should be killed etc, are actually in instances like this more in the wrong than the hunter
There are ways to change these things, by changing peoples views, lobbying for protection and getting these things made illegal. Lynch parties are not the solution.
Lostie!
16-10-2015, 12:10 PM
the worst kind of people on earth, the quicker game hunting is banned for good the better, how these hunters think they can buy a animal's life is disgusting
Perfectly said. :clap1:
Stuff like this will never fail to infuriate me. ****ing dickheads.
Eurgh.
Time to stick them all in a reserve and let people pay money to hunt them!
:clap1:
The point i was making is that it is a basic instinct that every single human being has. Granted, its not necessary these days, but it is still what we are.
I have paid to go fishing, it is a legal sport here in the UK, and as long as it remains legal I will continue to do it.
I've never had an "instinct" to go shooting animals for no reason. :shrug:
It's not what "we" are, it's what some people are. Some really backwards, bloodthirsty people.
DemolitionRed
16-10-2015, 12:37 PM
One of the most infamous trophy hunters is a woman.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02736/Bachman-bear_2736129c.jpg
I'm aware of that but this thread wasn't about her, it was about the guy who shot an elephant.
DemolitionRed
16-10-2015, 01:01 PM
You don't win cases in court based on morality. I don't want to come across as overly harsh, but there is a point of principle here. Those suggesting the hunter should be killed etc, are actually in instances like this more in the wrong than the hunter
There are ways to change these things, by changing peoples views, lobbying for protection and getting these things made illegal. Lynch parties are not the solution.
Are you saying that a lawyer should never talk or believe there is such a thing as unfair or unjust laws? laws that are immoral or harmful or morally unfair?
We are bound to get some emotional reactions with a story like this. This sort of story causes extreme anger and distress and those emotions are bound to create some very harsh reactions.
Good samaritans have been lobbying to protect such animals for many years. Charitable organizations have been educating entire colonies of people about the wrongs of the ivory trade and fur trade but these countries are desperately poor, so when some hobnob westerner comes along with more money than they could ever dream imaginable, big game trophies will continue to be slaughtered.
The people we need to educate are the westerners but where do we find them? how do we even know who they are? Naming and shaming seems to be the only tool we presently have.
Kizzy
16-10-2015, 01:19 PM
They have money we should let them do what they want? The golden rule eh.... Is that the thinking in this 'civilised society'?
arista
16-10-2015, 01:26 PM
I'm aware of that but this thread wasn't about her, it was about the guy who shot an elephant.
Yes lets have one at a time
Thanks DR
DemolitionRed
16-10-2015, 01:44 PM
Yes lets have one at a time
Thanks DR
If that's your attempt at sarcasm you should try harder.
This was what I first posted: Its gun totting madness and its is all about his own insecurities. The bigger and rarer and wilder the game, the better he feels about himself.
Men like this are just about as sick as they come.
Yes, I was replying to the initial post and said the word "man" not "men and women"...so shoot me :hehe:
Cherie
16-10-2015, 01:48 PM
If that's your attempt at sarcasm you should try harder.
This was what I first posted: Its gun totting madness and its is all about his own insecurities. The bigger and rarer and wilder the game, the better he feels about himself.
Men like this are just about as sick as they come.
Yes, I was replying to the initial post and said the word "man" not "men and women"...so shoot me :hehe:
I don't think that was sarcasm, just agreeing with you about the thread being about the german hunter
DemolitionRed
16-10-2015, 02:25 PM
Well if that's the case, my apologies to arista
Are you saying that a lawyer should never talk or believe there is such a thing as unfair or unjust laws? laws that are immoral or harmful or morally unfair?
We are bound to get some emotional reactions with a story like this. This sort of story causes extreme anger and distress and those emotions are bound to create some very harsh reactions.
Good samaritans have been lobbying to protect such animals for many years. Charitable organizations have been educating entire colonies of people about the wrongs of the ivory trade and fur trade but these countries are desperately poor, so when some hobnob westerner comes along with more money than they could ever dream imaginable, big game trophies will continue to be slaughtered.
The people we need to educate are the westerners but where do we find them? how do we even know who they are? Naming and shaming seems to be the only tool we presently have.
With respect the views expressed on this thread have been a lot stronger than that. It is from reactions such as these that people take irresponsible actions into their own hands and end up being on the wrong side of the law.
Illegal Lynch mobs are not going to achieve anything.
Kizzy
16-10-2015, 02:50 PM
It's just a knee jerk reaction however isn't it? only a fool would attempt to combat mindless violence with more mindless violence.
Jordan.
16-10-2015, 02:55 PM
He needs one of the tusks shoving down his throat
Livia
16-10-2015, 02:58 PM
You don't win cases in court based on morality. I don't want to come across as overly harsh, but there is a point of principle here. Those suggesting the hunter should be killed etc, are actually in instances like this more in the wrong than the hunter
There are ways to change these things, by changing peoples views, lobbying for protection and getting these things made illegal. Lynch parties are not the solution.
I am well aware what wins in court. However, that doesn't mean much in Zimbabwe. I'm not suggesting he be killed, however I would have a Thatcher-style party if he and all his ridiculous mates died.
What do you think organisations like the IFAW have been doing for decades? But money talks... There is no justification for what this man's done, whether you believe it was legal or not.
Niamh.
16-10-2015, 02:58 PM
So sad to see such a beautiful animal in a picture like that. He doesn't even look dead. I don't understand the thrill of killing an elephant with a gun like that, where's the bravery in it? Or what's the big achievement there?
JoshBB
16-10-2015, 03:07 PM
We need to change the punishment for hunting from fines to short jail sentences - otherwise rich people can just pay the cost to keep doing it. I'm sure a criminal record would serve as a deterrent.
JoshBB
16-10-2015, 03:08 PM
One of the most infamous trophy hunters is a woman.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02736/Bachman-bear_2736129c.jpg
Don't even get me started on this awful excuse for a human being
Niamh.
16-10-2015, 03:10 PM
We need to change the punishment for hunting from fines to short jail sentences - otherwise rich people can just pay the cost to keep doing it. I'm sure a criminal record would serve as a deterrent.
Maybe a substantial fine as well to be donated to preserving endangered species
Livia
16-10-2015, 03:12 PM
I've said it before... if someone wants to hunt a wild animal, send them out with a spear like the Masai do it. They can keep every animal they kill.
JoshBB
16-10-2015, 03:14 PM
Maybe a substantial fine as well to be donated to preserving endangered species
Perfect.
They don't like that? Solution - don't shoot elephants.
DemolitionRed
16-10-2015, 03:49 PM
Maybe a substantial fine as well to be donated to preserving endangered species
:clap1:
user104658
17-10-2015, 03:50 PM
The elephant was grey and had legs and tusks. A gun which fires bullets was used to murder the elephant and then someone took a photo :(
DemolitionRed
17-10-2015, 05:27 PM
The elephant was grey and had legs and tusks. A gun which fires bullets was used to murder the elephant and then someone took a photo :(
There is something very disturbing about someone who wants to pose for a photograph with the inedible beast they just killed.
user104658
17-10-2015, 05:28 PM
There is something very disturbing about someone who wants to pose for a photograph with the inedible beast they just killed.
Meat is consumed for the purposes of nourishment.
Was the elephant an endangered species? Was the hunter breaking the law? If the answer to both questions is no, then there is no justification for the outcry toward the hunter. Lobby to get elephants protected, lobby to get hunting banned. It is completely wrong to target people for doing things if they are perfectly legal.
Trash. Who cares if it's legal or not, the elephants whole life was ended because a guy wanted to get some sick sense of pleasure from pulling a trigger and watching it fall down and die. Honestly have no idea what possessed you to try and defend this.
Lostie!
17-10-2015, 05:36 PM
Trash. Who cares if it's legal or not, the elephants whole life was ended because a guy wanted to get some sick sense of pleasure from pulling a trigger and watching it fall down and die. Honestly have no idea what possessed you to try and defend this.
Because if the senseless killing of a specific animal is legal then we're all obliged to agree with it. Apparently.
Trash. Who cares if it's legal or not, the elephants whole life was ended because a guy wanted to get some sick sense of pleasure from pulling a trigger and watching it fall down and die. Honestly have no idea what possessed you to try and defend this.
With respect that is an emotional response not a realistic one. Hunting is a legal sport. I am simply defending someone's legal rights, which quite frankly in the scheme of things is more important. I am not saying that I condone what the hunter did, I am saying he is legally entitled to do what he did. If that is to change, then campaign for it to be made illegal. Don't attack me for defending someone's legal rights
..just to add to what bitontheslide has said and also touching on what Niamh said about instilling huge fines to preserve species...the governments have already 'offered bids' to hunters for these killings because sadly they are legal and a large part of that is meant to go to the National Parks anyway to help with conversation...(ironic and I would doubt that it does go there with corruption etc..although it may do because National Park Rangers do guide the hunts)....so they can't really then instil huge fines for something that they're not only taken payment for but offered themselves ...the whole thing just sickens me, that someone would actually want to do these things to beautiful animals ...but then there are people enabling them as well....so as bitonthe slide said, the only way will ever be to campaign to make it illegal...
Kizzy
18-10-2015, 10:04 AM
He didn't do it for the sport he did it for the tusks.
'Nixon Dzingai, the professional hunter who led the hunt, said the elephant had arrived unexpectedly one morning towards the end of the German’s trip, and they had not realised the size of his tusks until it was too late.
"We did not have to stalk the elephant it just showed up at 7.30 in the morning, before the heat. I was so surprised when we saw how the horns. My client did not ask for this, he just wanted an elephant,'
'In the last ten years elephant numbers have dropped by 62%. There are fewer than 500,000 on the African continent today and conservationists have warned that by the end of the next decade, they could be extinct'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/11937439/Germany-may-block-import-of-tusks-from-giant-elephant-shot-by-hunter-in-Zimbabwe.html
..it was a legal hunt, which is the point that bitontheslide was making, not condoning..and regardless of whether a 'mistake' was made in shooting that particular elephant or not..because it's all very easy to say when people are rightfully outraged and sickened in something you've taken an active part in...'oh, we didn't realise until it was too late'...and as long as these hunts are allowed legally, these old beasts will be killed, so making them illegal is the only true way to conserve...which hopefully the media worldwide will help with in carrying on reporting them as they have recently...
Kizzy
18-10-2015, 11:28 AM
BOTS also made the point it was a basic human instinct too, which is debatable.
The legality of the kill is in question seeing as the beast appears to have originated from somewhere other that where the 'hunter' was permitted to hunt.
..that's still missing the thing though.. in that as long as these hunts are allowed then these things are very open to happening...if it was out of the permitted area, if that's found to be so, then it won't change that the elephant is dead...the only way to change these deaths is to make them all illegal...so 'mistakes', if it was such, can't happen and there can be no question....
Kizzy
18-10-2015, 11:45 AM
I'm not missing anything, the only way to solve the issue would be a universal ban on hunting... that's never going to be agreed upon is it? Heck we can't even manage that here.
arista
18-10-2015, 12:57 PM
Yes when all the Animals have Gone
we Will Blame AFRICANS 100%
They take the Fecking Cash
S CUM
Kazanne
18-10-2015, 01:44 PM
It's a shame it even happens at all , you would think that with our so called superiority to other species and ability ,to think , feel and understand that no one ever would consider doing such a barbaric thing, I mean seriously, what would any sane thinking person actually benefit from doing that ? as Livia said , send them out with a spear, see how much the cowards would pay then.
lostalex
19-10-2015, 07:29 AM
i'm sorry, but i still have a hard time accepting this outcry from people who eat meat every day. i can except it from peta, because at least they are consistent about what comes out of their mouth matches what they put in their mouth. but if you eat any animal products you really can't talk. just because it doesn't look like an animal when you buy it in the grocery store or at a restaurant doesn't change the fact that you are killing animals. and just because you think the animal like a lion or an elephant looks nicer than a cow or a chicken doesn't change it either.
if you are not a vegan I can't take you seriously about your outrage over killing any animal.
arista
19-10-2015, 07:35 AM
i'm sorry, but i still have a hard time accepting this outcry from people who eat meat every day. i can except it from peta, because at least they are consistent about what comes out of their mouth matches what they put in their mouth. but if you eat any animal products you really can't talk. just because it doesn't look like an animal when you buy it in the grocery store or at a restaurant doesn't change the fact that you are killing animals. and just because you think the animal like a lion or an elephant looks nicer than a cow or a chicken doesn't change it either.
if you are not a vegan I can't take you seriously about your outrage over killing any animal.
I do that from Cattle thats in Factorys.
thats not running out.
In Africa if All the Big Horn Animals
are killed with big cash
for a Evil trophy photo
Then that nation will Die more.
You can not compare a Big Mac
to a Murdering a Massive Elephant
I hope someone punches this German
Alex Times Have Changed
lostalex
19-10-2015, 07:48 AM
I do that from Cattle thats in Factorys.
thats not running out.
In Africa if All the Big Horn Animals
are killed with big cash
for a Evil trophy photo
Then that nation will Die more.
You can not compare a Big Mac
to a Murdering a Massive Elephant
I hope someone punches this German
Alex Times Have Changed
an elephant is big and powerful and can defend itself. a cow or a chicken raised on a farm is helpless.
..a bullet when fired at a safe distance can't be defended against, no matter how powerful the animal though...the elephant was as helpless as a lamb...
lostalex
19-10-2015, 08:01 AM
..a bullet when fired at a safe distance can't be defended against, no matter how powerful the animal though...the elephant was as helpless as a lamb...
elephants have been around just as long as humans. they could choose to invent guns if they wanted to. they have tusks and much stronger legs, that's not fair either.
elephants have been around just as long as humans. they could choose to invent guns if they wanted to. they have tusks and much stronger legs, that's not fair either.
..okey doke Alex...'human' was meant to have compassion and empathy but obviously not with game hunters because they prey on helpless in their methods and I doubt they would like to feel such helplessness themselves..they'll take life just for trophies and to say..hey, look what I did...anyways, it's all sadly quite legal so I have no more to add really but I personally don't think that sport/thrill killing and food killing can be equated in the same way at all...animals born to be wild and animals bred for food...
arista
19-10-2015, 09:09 AM
an elephant is big and powerful and can defend itself. a cow or a chicken raised on a farm is helpless.
The Cow or Chicken are in Factorys for Food
The Elephant has no power against a Evil Gun Fecker Kraut
arista
19-10-2015, 09:11 AM
..a bullet when fired at a safe distance can't be defended against, no matter how powerful the animal though...the elephant was as helpless as a lamb...
Bang On Right
Slick Ammi.
Alex is Wrong on This Topic
lostalex
19-10-2015, 10:29 AM
The Cow or Chicken are in Factorys for Food
The Elephant has no power against a Evil Gun Fecker Kraut
the elephant is much more powerful than a human and elephants atlas live free before they are hunted. , a chicken that has lived in a factory has never known freedom and has no defenses at all.
eating a chicken is far more evil in my opinion.
arista
19-10-2015, 10:35 AM
the elephant is much more powerful than a human and elephants atlas live free before they are hunted. , a chicken that has lived in a factory has never known freedom and has no defenses at all.
eating a chicken is far more evil in my opinion.
Wrong that Chicken was made in Factory for Food.
Alex you need this place in LA
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290480
No Way in Fecking Hell
can you compare this with that Murdering
of a Rare Animal.
Ammi Sort him out
Kizzy
19-10-2015, 11:24 AM
Bit of a non argument comparing animals in the wild to those raised for food.
user104658
19-10-2015, 12:57 PM
Bit of a non argument comparing animals in the wild to those raised for food.
Why?
Kizzy
19-10-2015, 01:12 PM
Why?
The numbers involved, the fact that animals raised for food are not restricted to 2 continents, the ability to reproduce, the ease of raising/feeding/ processing.
user104658
19-10-2015, 01:27 PM
The numbers involved, the fact that animals raised for food are not restricted to 2 continents, the ability to reproduce, the ease of raising/feeding/ processing.
By this logic, the lives of certain fish are worth more than any human life.
Kizzy
19-10-2015, 01:49 PM
By this logic, the lives of certain fish are worth more than any human life.
Why stop at fish? I'm sure there are rarer mollusks or bacteria...
JoshBB
19-10-2015, 03:02 PM
I think hunting really needs to be banned. Calling it a 'sport' doesn't cut it for me.. if someone finds enjoyment out of killing harmless animals then they need help.
arista
19-10-2015, 03:20 PM
I think hunting really needs to be banned. Calling it a 'sport' doesn't cut it for me.. if someone finds enjoyment out of killing harmless animals then they need help.
We can not tell Africa what to do.
Unless you are saying take control of each nation
again.
British Empire JoshBB
Dollface
19-10-2015, 04:39 PM
I think hunting really needs to be banned. Calling it a 'sport' doesn't cut it for me.. if someone finds enjoyment out of killing harmless animals then they need help.
They don't need help, they need putting down or locking up for the rest of their pathetic lives
There are some real ethical dilemmas in all of this. Lions are now being bred for trophy hunters to hunt down. So, in some respects its increasing the lion population and its funding the wildlife sanctuaries.
In the UK we breed grouse and other fowl with the express intention of shooting them for sport. I don't honestly see a difference between that and the breeding of lions for the same purpose in Africa. Perhaps we should be putting our own house in order before we go telling other countries what they can and can't do :shrug:
Kizzy
19-10-2015, 05:23 PM
This elephant wasn't bred in captivity.
There are some real ethical dilemmas in all of this. Lions are now being bred for trophy hunters to hunt down. So, in some respects its increasing the lion population and its funding the wildlife sanctuaries.
In the UK we breed grouse and other fowl with the express intention of shooting them for sport. I don't honestly see a difference between that and the breeding of lions for the same purpose in Africa. Perhaps we should be putting our own house in order before we go telling other countries what they can and can't do :shrug:
Yeah there is a risk of oversimplifying this. Fact is that local economies in rural regions of Africa are often heavily dependent on the income that is generated from Western tourists who are prepared to pay tens of thousands of pounds to shoot big game. In fact that money can also be used to fund conservation efforts and to protect some of these species the better. The answer doesn't lie in banning hunting imo, it lies in tightly regulating and controlling it so that the money can be harnessed effectively and invested back into the local areas and into conservation.
Kizzy
19-10-2015, 05:31 PM
Five years ago, the South African government effectively banned canned hunting by requiring an animal to roam free for two years before it could be hunted, severely restricting breeders and hunters' profitability. But lion breeders challenged the policy in South Africa's courts and a high court judge eventually ruled that such restrictions were "not rational".
Breeders argue it is better that hunters shoot a captive-bred lion than further endanger the wild populations, but conservationists and animal welfare groups dispute this. Wild populations of lions have declined by 80% in 20 years, so the rise of lion farms and canned hunting has not protected wild lions. In fact, according to Fiona Miles, director of Lionsrock, a big cat sanctuary in South Africa run by the charity Four Paws, it is fuelling it,'
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/jun/03/canned-hunting-lions-bred-slaughter
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