Do Infractions make you change your posts?

[Johnnyuk123]

For me they simply don't. If anything they make me more un PC. Your thoughts?

[Denver]

I love infractions

[Kate!]

I try not to offend again in the same way but its hard not to say stuff sometimes

[Johnnyuk123]

I try not to offend again in the same way but its hard not to say stuff sometimes

Do you feel like they have misunderstood your comment? I get that all the time.

[Johnnyuk123]

It's strange when you post a joke comment to then be told it's litterally offensive then banned which is the last thing you actually intended.

[Ashley.]

I usually edit or delete posts that I think could get me into trouble. I'm not very good at thinking before I say things.

[Johnnyuk123]

During an infraction period i tend to watch movies and chat on other forums to many people from here so the infraction period is redundant in my case for the most part.

[Kate!]

Ive said stuff as jokes but been given warnings instead of actual infractions

[Johnnyuk123]

I usually edit or delete posts that I think could get me into trouble. I'm not very good at thinking before I say things.

Freedom of speech and all that is not welcomed in some instances so i understand what you are saying.:wavey:

[smudgie]

Never had an infraction. :angel:

Never felt the need to offend either.:shrug:

[Johnnyuk123]

I love infractions

TBH I love the moderators in here. On the whole they do a great job but I would love them even more if they revealed themselves whilst applying an infraction. You just get a message saying whatever you said this and that your now banned by no name. But alas we are not privy to that information yet.:shrug:

[Johnnyuk123]

Never had an infraction. :angel:

Never felt the need to offend either.:shrug:

I now call my infractions thrush, it keeps coming back.:joker::joker::joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

I just apply the cream and cross my fingers for a few days hoping it will be gone soon.:joker::joker::joker:

[smudgie]

I now call my infractions thrush, it keeps coming back.:joker::joker::joker:

I am sure there is a cure for it Johnny...try bathing in natural yoghurt:laugh:

[Dominic]

Lol no

[Johnnyuk123]

I am sure there is a cure for it Johnny...try bathing in natural yoghurt:laugh:

Yogurt? :joker::joker::joker:

[Josy]

Infractions and bans are handed out due to forum rule breaks if they aren't changing you're behaviour then they will get harsher and lead to longer or indefinite bans. It's not difficult to take part in a forum without breaking rules.

[Denver]

^^ This is why I'm glad I've never been infracted

[Josy]

Freedom of speech and all that is not welcomed in some instances so i understand what you are saying.:wavey:

I've mentioned this a few times but freedom of speech is not absolute and does not give you an excuse to break the rules of the forum.

[Ashley.]

It's not difficult to take part in a forum without breaking rules.

Yes, this is why we had plug :fan:

(joking)

[Amy Jade]

I tend to just carry on the same, I believe most of my infractions are either me slightly over stepping the line but not in a nasty way, usually it's sarcasm or just another forum member being a bit prissy - so I refrain from reading their posts for a bit lol

[LemonJam]

I mean I don't think it's that hard not to be an arsehole to people so I don't ever have to change my posts.

However, one of my entire two infractions over my seven years being on here (7 years sweet Jesus :joker:) was for breaking the swear filter and honestly I still do that from time to time :hehe:

[Jamie89]

Are infractions the same as bans? Or are they warnings? And how do you know if you've had one, do you get a pm?

[Josy]

Are infractions the same as bans? Or are they warnings? And how do you know if you've had one, do you get a pm?

Infractions come with points that build up and lead to bans, the more points you accrue the longer the bans get, warnings don't have points and can't lead to a ban.

And yes you receive a pm from TiBB Staff telling you what post has been warned/infracted and the reason.

[Dollface]

not really tbh

[Marsh.]

No. :)

[Mokka]

I don't get infractions :smug:

But knowing the forum rules, and knowing that even though I say something in jest... It could be taken the wrong way... I usually self edit.

I often find myself going to post something, and even typing it out, but then rethinking it and deleting it before I even hit send.

[Mokka]

No. :)

Yeah... We know :hehe:

[Ammi]

TBH I love the moderators in here. On the whole they do a great job but I would love them even more if they revealed themselves whilst applying an infraction. You just get a message saying whatever you said this and that your now banned by no name. But alas we are not privy to that information yet.:shrug:

..why though..?..why would it be relevant to know that, if an infraction/ban etc is given then it would be in the admin section as to the reason so if it was thought to be unfair etc or something said which was misunderstood, then it could be discussed with any moderator/admin member ....knowing who actually gave it would just seem to me to be 'making it personal' when it's not a personal thing...

[Shaun]

For me they simply don't. If anything they make me more un PC.

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[Ashley.]

I don't get infractions :smug:

But knowing the forum rules, and knowing that even though I say something in jest... It could be taken the wrong way... I usually self edit.

I often find myself going to post something, and even typing it out, but then rethinking it and deleting it before I even hit send.

This. Or I usually have to explain myself in small text afterwards so the moderators know that I am joking.

[kirklancaster]

I don't get infractions :smug:

But knowing the forum rules, and knowing that even though I say something in jest... It could be taken the wrong way... I usually self edit.

I often find myself going to post something, and even typing it out, but then rethinking it and deleting it before I even hit send.

I am doing this increasingly now Mokka - especially on Serious Debates. :laugh:

[Smithy]

Infractions and bans are handed out due to forum rule breaks if they aren't changing you're behaviour then they will get harsher and lead to longer or indefinite bans. It's not difficult to take part in a forum without breaking rules.

It can be when mods hand out infractions for things that aren't even against the rules

[Ashley.]

It can be when mods hand out infractions for things that aren't even against the rules

This also... Just things that they have been personally insulted by.

[Josy]

It can be when mods hand out infractions for things that aren't even against the rules

Well tbf it's impossible for the rules to list every rule break scenario possible (especially on here) so we do use our own initiative at times and I know this has been mentioned lots but every infraction has it's own discussion thread and we do post if we agree/disagree with certain infractions then reverse infractions or bans we don't feel were justified, we do make mistakes at times, and they are normally corrected once realised.

This also... Just things that they have been personally insulted by.

Yes well personal insults are against the forum rules Ashley however mods rarely give infractions for things they are personally insulted by unless it's a clear rule break, in fact I've seen mods actually go into the admin section and ask someone else to deal with things if 1. they are taking part in the debate where the rule break is and 2. they don't like infracting for things personally said to them and prefer instead to delete the post (I delete things said about me without infracting unless it's extreme)

[kirklancaster]

Well tbf it's impossible for the rules to list every rule break scenario possible (especially on here) so we do use our own initiative at times and I know this has been mentioned lots but every infraction has it's own discussion thread and we do post if we agree/disagree with certain infractions then reverse infractions or bans we don't feel were justified, we do make mistakes at times, and they are normally corrected once realised.



Yes well personal insults are against the forum rules Ashley however mods rarely give infractions for things they are personally insulted by unless it's a clear rule break, in fact I've seen mods actually go into the admin section and ask someone else to deal with things if 1. they are taking part in the debate where the rule break is and 2. they don't like infracting for things personally said to them and prefer instead to delete the post (I delete things said about me without infracting unless it's extreme)

Where is this 'Infraction discussion thread' Josy? Have we got access to it?

[Josy]

Where is this 'Infraction discussion thread' Josy? Have we got access to it?

No Kirk, every time an infraction is given out a thread specifically for that infraction (or warning) is automatically created in a part of the admin forum.

It's were the mods and admins discuss things.

We did used to have a private infraction appeals section where only the member in question and the mods could see the thread you made querying an infraction but it was ruined.

[arista]

No Kirk, every time an infraction is given out a thread specifically for that infraction (or warning) is automatically created in a part of the admin forum.

It's were the mods and admins discuss things.

We did used to have a private infraction appeals section where only the member in question and the mods could see the thread you made querying an infraction but it was ruined.

How Very Nice

[arista]

Kirk when I get Spanked
I take it.

They are in Charge
and have a wide experience
in dealing will all "Types" of members


Feel The Force

[arista]

For me they simply don't. If anything they make me more un PC. Your thoughts?


No I stay Rude as ever.


But i do not go back to the place I got Infracted
much more

[lostalex]

infractions come from different mods, and they all have their own set of rules in their own heads. The rules change depending on who is modding at that particular time. There really is no concrete set of rules, you just have to put up with who is on duty at the time.

so no, infractions don't affect how i post because it really has nothing to do with what i actually post, it's just about which mod is online and what kind of mood they are in.

I do miss the old days when you got an infraction you were actually told which mod did it and you were able to challenge it publicly on the forum. Now you aren't told which mod does it, and you have no way to challenge it on the forum, and if you challenge it that mod just gives you another infraction to shut you up.

[kirklancaster]

No Kirk, every time an infraction is given out a thread specifically for that infraction (or warning) is automatically created in a part of the admin forum.

It's were the mods and admins discuss things.

We did used to have a private infraction appeals section where only the member in question and the mods could see the thread you made querying an infraction but it was ruined.

Thanks Josy.

[kirklancaster]

Kirk when I get Spanked
I take it.

They are in Charge
and have a wide experience
in dealing will all "Types" of members


Feel The Force

:laugh: You are Most Wise Arista. I totally agree with you, though I have - luckily - never been warned, infracted or banned :hehe: but if I had, I would also 'take it like a man'.

[lostalex]

that being said, I'd say that I probably deserved about 75% of the infractions i've gotten. But those 25% of infractions that i didn't deserve really burn my balls.

[Josy]

infractions come from different mods, and they all have their own set of rules in their own heads. The rules change depending on who is modding at that particular time. There really is no concrete set of rules, you just have to put up with who is on duty at the time.

so no, infractions don't affect how i post because it really has nothing to do with what i actually post, it's just about which mod is online and what kind of mood they are in.

I do miss the old days when you got an infraction you were actually told which mod did it and you were able to challenge it publicly on the forum. Now you aren't told which mod does it, and you have no way to challenge it on the forum, and if you challenge it that mod just gives you another infraction to shut you up.

Never, since the day you joined has it worked that way Alex.

And also challenging your infractions on the main forum is against the rules because not only does it cause unnecessary unrest but your infractions are no one else's business, querying them is between you and the mods.

[arista]

that being said, I'd say that I probably deserved about 75% of the infractions i've gotten. But those 25% of infractions that i didn't deserve really burn my balls.


Could be Translations
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[lostalex]

Never, since the day you joined has it worked that way Alex.

And also challenging your infractions on the main forum is against the rules because not only does it cause unnecessary unrest but your infractions are no one else's business, querying them is between you and the mods.

yes it did Josie, there used to be a public forum where you could challenge the mod decisions, and it absolutely used to say whenI got an infraction it would say which mod had given me the infraction.

[arista]

yes it did Josie, there used to be a public forum where you could challenge the mod decisions, and it absolutely used to say whenI got an infraction it would say which mod had given me the infraction.



This is all to Complex

[Josy]

yes it did Josie, there used to be a public forum where you could challenge the mod decisions, and it absolutely used to say whenI got an infraction it would say which mod had given me the infraction.

That was a private forum Alex, only you and the mods could see the thread you made in there. It has never been a thing to publically challenge infractions for the points I mentioned above and for the fact that discussing your infractions on the main forum is against the rules (also for the reasons I posted above)

And the TiBB Staff thing was started before I became a mod and that's before you joined the forum.

[lostalex]

That was a private forum Alex, only you and the mods could see the thread you made in there. It has never been a thing to publically challenge infractions for the points I mentioned above and for the fact that discussing your infractions on the main forum is against the rules (also for the reasons I posted above)

oh, okay. but still there was at least a forum for discussion, and other mods could come to your defense. There was many times i got an infraction, and when i challenged them, they were reversed. But now there is no way to explain yourself and get infractions reversed.

And they absolutely used to post who was giving the infraction in the old days. The actual mod giving the infraction, it was in the PM when you got an infraction you could see who it was that actually issued the infraction.


It was a much more fair system. now there is no way to know who gave the infraction, and it's impossible to discuss the infraction with the other mods and get it reversed if it was unfair.

[Tom4784]

TBH I love the moderators in here. On the whole they do a great job but I would love them even more if they revealed themselves whilst applying an infraction. You just get a message saying whatever you said this and that your now banned by no name. But alas we are not privy to that information yet.:shrug:

That used to be the case but we'd get a bunch of people who would be like '___ infracted me?! OMG SO BIASED' People just used it as an excuse to demonise the mod who infracted them rather than accept the blame and move on.

[Josy]

oh, okay. but still there was at least a forum for discussion, and other mods could come to your defense. There was many times i got an infraction, and when i challenged them, they were reversed. But now there is no way to explain yourself and get infractions reversed.

And they absolutely used to post who was giving the infraction in the old days. The actual mod giving the infraction, it was in the PM when you got an infraction you could see who it was that actually issued the infraction.


It was a much more fair system.

Well the private appeals section was ruined by other members, not mods.

And there is still a discussion when someone queries an infraction and if other mods disagree with the infraction they do still come to your defense, even though you can't see it happening.

And TiBB Staff replaced the moderators name when infractions were given out because some members took personal offense to a moderator if they infracted them etc

Theres no need for you to know who gave you an infraction anyway imo.

[Kizzy]

No Kirk, every time an infraction is given out a thread specifically for that infraction (or warning) is automatically created in a part of the admin forum.

It's were the mods and admins discuss things.

We did used to have a private infraction appeals section where only the member in question and the mods could see the thread you made querying an infraction but it was ruined.

Define ruined, it was apparent by the infraction discussion thread that different moderators had different approaches and reactions to infractions, hence the removal and the tibb staff message, it renders every infraction faceless.

[Josy]

Define ruined, it was apparent by the infraction discussion thread that different moderators had different approaches and reactions to infractions, hence the removal and the tibb staff message, it renders every infraction faceless.

The tibb staff message was happening even before the private appeals forum was opened and yes it does render infractions faceless, that's the point, for the reasons myself and Dezzy have posted above.

It was ruined by members using it solely to abuse mods, further break forum rules, spam and troll that area whilst they were banned.

[Tom4784]

People just used the appeals section to bitch and whine, it was meant to be used for when you have a legitimate issue with an infraction or a mod's actions but there was only a handful of times when it was used for that. People would just use it to abuse the mods.

[lostalex]

That used to be the case but we'd get a bunch of people who would be like '___ infracted me?! OMG SO BIASED' People just used it as an excuse to demonise the mod who infracted them rather than accept the blame and move on.

but to be fair, some mods are biased, and when it's a mod that clearly doesn't like you, and it's the same mod over and over and over again...that is the only one issuing you infractions...

you know that some mods DO dislike certain members, and DO target them... and that's not fair.

[arista]

People just used the appeals section to bitch and whine, it was meant to be used for when you have a legitimate issue with an infraction or a mod's actions but there was only a handful of times when it was used for that. People would just use it to abuse the mods.


was it Sexual?

[Tom4784]

but to be fair, some mods are biased, and when it's a mod that clearly doesn't like you, and it's the same mod over and over and over again...that is the only one issuing you infractions...

you know that some mods DO dislike certain members, and DO target them... and that's not fair.

Except we aren't, some people just can't accept that they are in the wrong and think that the rules do not apply to them. Everyone gets treated the same, the only people that accuse mods of being biased are the ones that expect special treatment.

[Kizzy]

The tibb staff message was happening even before the private appeals forum was opened and yes it does render infractions faceless, that's the point, for the reasons myself and Dezzy have posted above.

It was ruined by members using it solely to abuse mods, further break forum rules, spam and troll that area whilst they were banned.

Do you think? Oh I don't agree I think it was great for discussing things with all the mods, it ensured a more objective overview of any given situation.

[Josy]

but to be fair, some mods are biased, and when it's a mod that clearly doesn't like you, and it's the same mod over and over and over again...that is the only one issuing you infractions...

you know that some mods DO dislike certain members, and DO target them... and that's not fair.

Alex it's pretty much impossible for us to be bias when giving out infractions because all other mods and admins see anything we do and they do question things, if they think we've been too harsh or the infraction wasn't deserved and so on, I know it's difficult to believe but it happens, you mention you've have infractions reversed in the past so doesn't that prove what I'm saying? and we also do make mistakes at times and when it's pointed out to us that also gets sorted out.

[Josy]

Do you think? Oh I don't agree I think it was great for discussing things with all the mods, it ensured a more objective overview of any given situation.

That's no doubt because you were only seeing your own private threads though, whereas we were seeing and dealing with every infracted members queries every day.

[lostalex]

Except we aren't, some people just can't accept that they are in the wrong and think that the rules do not apply to them. Everyone gets treated the same, the only people that accuse mods of being biased are the ones that expect special treatment.

i don't think we expect special treatment, we want fair treatment. i think we are upset because it seems we are getting special treatment/punishment. There should be no special anything, treatment or punishment.

Some people are targeted by certain mods. That's a fact.

[Tom4784]

Do you think? Oh I don't agree I think it was great for discussing things with all the mods, it ensured a more objective overview of any given situation.

It was a case of the majority ruining it for the few.

[Josy]

Alex I just double checked with James and he confirmed that the anonymous infraction system was brought in 1 month before you joined the forum, so you have never received an infraction from a named mod.

[Kizzy]

That's no doubt because you were only seeing your own private threads though, whereas we were seeing and dealing with every infracted members queries every day.

Well won't that be the same still?
Anyone can reply to a tibb staff message, the difference is not all mods will be able to respond to you directly.

[lostalex]

Alex I just double checked with James and he confirmed that the anonymous infraction system was brought in 1 month before you joined the forum, so you have never received an infraction from a named mod.

well maybe that's true, and maybe it's because i got warnings from certain mods and warnings did have names on it, or maybe it's just because you see certain mods hovering around certain forums and you just know who it is that way.

[Josy]

i don't think we expect special treatment, we want fair treatment. i think we are upset because it seems we are getting special treatment/punishment. There should be no special anything, treatment or punishment.

Some people are targeted by certain mods. That's a fact.

It isn't a fact though Alex :laugh:

Just for an example looking at only the first page of your infractions you have been infracted by 4 different moderators (out of 5 infractions)

[Tom4784]

i don't think we expect special treatment, we want fair treatment. i think we are upset because it seems we are getting special treatment/punishment. There should be no special anything, treatment or punishment.

Some people are targeted by certain mods. That's a fact.

Nobody gets special treatment, no one gets targeted, it's impossible for a mod to be biased, the other mods wouldn't stand for it. If you're getting a lot of infractions then you should try not breaking the rules. You get treated exactly the same as everyone else, Alex.

[lostalex]

It isn't a fact though Alex :laugh:

Just for an example looking at only the first page of your infractions you have been infracted by 4 different moderators (out of 5 infractions)

which 4?

[Ashley.]

which 4?

:laugh:

[Ashley.]

We need a Tribunal tbh

[Josy]

which 4?

'TiBB Staff' :laugh:

[lostalex]

Nobody gets special treatment, no one gets targeted, it's impossible for a mod to be biased, the other mods wouldn't stand for it. If you're getting a lot of infractions then you should try not breaking the rules. You get treated exactly the same as everyone else, Alex.

maybe that's true dizzy. but i definitely feel like some mods like me better than others. and if we could see who gave the infractions maybe that would prove your point. transparency of the infraction system i think would be better for everyone, mods and members.

[Kizzy]

Nobody gets special treatment, no one gets targeted, it's impossible for a mod to be biased, the other mods wouldn't stand for it. If you're getting a lot of infractions then you should try not breaking the rules. You get treated exactly the same as everyone else, Alex.

You know what if the 'wrath of dezzy' wasn't forum legend... I'd believe you ;)

[Tom4784]

We need a Tribunal tbh

We kind of already do, mods do discuss infractions if they feel they are unjust.

[Josy]

We find the 'TiBB Staff' infraction system to work better for the forum.

Vicky and Ben were actually harassed to the point of stalking in the past because a member knew they had given them an infraction. That's how serious some people take things.

[Tom4784]

You know what if the 'wrath of dezzy' wasn't forum legend... I'd believe you ;)

That's just something I play up to. I actually only infract people rarely, most of the time I'll just delete troublesome posts.

If I was that unfairly wrathful than the other mods would drag me over hots coals for it.

[Ashley.]

We kind of already do, mods do discuss infractions if they feel they are unjust.

Just from experience when I was banned, I wasn't really given a chance to speak for myself. Nothing really gets discussed anymore and when I attempt to discuss things with mods, it's never reciprocated. They try to avoid confronting the issue in a lot of my cases.

[Tom4784]

maybe that's true dizzy. but i definitely feel like some mods like me better than others. and if we could see who gave the infractions maybe that would prove your point. transparency of the infraction system i think would be better for everyone, mods and members.

Except people just use it to abuse mods and not take responsibilities for their actions. You already think that we're biased and that none of your infractions are deserved, you'd just accuse all the mods of bias if you could see that all the mods infract you equally.

[lostalex]

i definitely feel like most of the time i'm infracted it's not even from the mods, it's just because someone uses the report button, and i nEVER use the report button. I feel like a lot of times it's just an over sensitive jerk that clicks report, and the mods feel like they HAVE to do something because it's reported, even though most people on this forum are mature enough not to use the report button.

[Tom4784]

Just from experience when I was banned, I wasn't really given a chance to speak for myself. Nothing really gets discussed anymore and when I attempt to discuss things with mods, it's never reciprocated.

Because we all thought it was a fair infraction. If it wasn't it would have been overturned quickly.

[Josy]

Just from experience when I was banned, I wasn't really given a chance to speak for myself. Nothing really gets discussed anymore and when I attempt to discuss things with mods, it's never reciprocated. They try to avoid confronting the issue in a lot of my cases.

Did you message any mods or use the contact us form?

[Kizzy]

i definitely feel like most of the time i'm infracted it's not even from the mods, it's just because someone uses the report button, and i nEVER use the report button. I feel like a lot of times it's just an over sensitive jerk that clicks report, and the mods feel like they HAVE to do something because it's reported, even though most people on this forum are mature enough not to use the report button.

Hey I'm mature... and I use the report button all the time.

[Tom4784]

i definitely feel like most of the time i'm infracted it's not even from the mods, it's just because someone uses the report button, and i nEVER use the report button. I feel like a lot of times it's just an over sensitive jerk that clicks report, and the mods feel like they HAVE to do something because it's reported, even though most people on this forum are mature enough not to use the report button.

So now you're blaming the people who may or may not report you?

Anything to avoid responsibility for your own actions, I see.

[lostalex]

Except people just use it to abuse mods and not take responsibilities for their actions. You already think that we're biased and that none of your infractions are deserved, you'd just accuse all the mods of bias if you could see that all the mods infract you equally.

no, i said i think 75% of the time i know i deserve it, cause i'm usually drunk and bored and i totally know when i deserve a ban. but sometimes it's like an oversensitive religious person, or a person who just does;t like me who is just looking for any excuse. I'm not saying 've never deserved an infraction, i'm just saying if it's transparent i wouldn't have to be worried about those 25% of the time ones that don't make any sense to me. without the forum we used to have i can't even get an explanation anymore.

[Kizzy]

Did you message any mods or use the contact us form?

I'm still awaiting a reply from my last message to you joz :)

[lostalex]

So now you're blaming the people who may or may not report you?

Anything to avoid responsibility for your own actions, I see.

I clearly said many posts up that i take responsibility for 75% of my infractions. so don't say that i don't take any responsibility. i'm no angel, and never claimed to be. But i do think that just because i'm no angel doesn't mean it's okay to demonize me and i feel sometimes just because i do make mistakes, it means i'm not listened to and i'm unfairly treated SOMETIMES. not everytime, but sometimes.

[Ashley.]

Because we all thought it was a fair infraction. If it wasn't it would have been overturned quickly.

It was the reason for the ban that got to me. I thought, if anything, that post would've got me infracted because I was mentioning religion but apparently I was making fun of the moderators so I didn't really get it. It's just further proof that anything you say on here can get maliciously turned into something that wasn't intended in the first place.

[Ross.]

i definitely feel like most of the time i'm infracted it's not even from the mods, it's just because someone uses the report button, and i nEVER use the report button. I feel like a lot of times it's just an over sensitive jerk that clicks report, and the mods feel like they HAVE to do something because it's reported, even though most people on this forum are mature enough not to use the report button.

I rarely use the report button, but when I do I feel it's totally justified. Don't see how that makes me immature? :shrug:

[Josy]

I'm still awaiting a reply from my last message to you joz :)

I checked that out when you messaged me and it was 100% clear why the infraction was given, I must have forgotten to reply to the message which is rare because 99% of the time I reply.

Unless you messaged me about something else and I never got the notification on my phone...

[Smithy]

infractions come from different mods, and they all have their own set of rules in their own heads. The rules change depending on who is modding at that particular time. There really is no concrete set of rules, you just have to put up with who is on duty at the time.

if you challenge it that mod just gives you another infraction to shut you up.

Agree with this tbh


Also I don't understand why the private queries forum was removed, just ban the few that abused it from using, why have the minority's ruin it for the majority when there's an easy solution for it :shrug:

[Josy]

Agree with this tbh


Also I don't understand why the private queries forum was removed, just ban the few that abused it from using, why have the minority's ruin it for the majority when there's an easy solution for it :shrug:

It was actually the majority that ruined it not the minority.

[Kizzy]

I checked that out when you messaged me and it was 100% clear why the infraction was given, I must have forgotten to reply to the message which is rare because 99% of the time I reply.

I didn't ask why it was given... I know why it was given, that wasn't the query.

[lostalex]

Agree with this tbh


Also I don't understand why the private queries forum was removed, just ban the few that abused it from using, why have the minority's ruin it for the majority when there's an easy solution for it :shrug:

they would probably ban me from it, because i had many of my infractions overturned in there, and the mods that have their infractions overruled get very pissed off and then think i'm manipulative and blah blah.

But the truth is i'm not a bad person, and i'm not a troll. Yes i say some offensive things and i am controversial and confrontational, but i usually follow the rules.

The problem is the rules are not clear, and they basically just depend on who is offended by any given thing.

If i talk about sex, i'm corrupting younger members, if someone else makes a joke about sex, nothing.

[Smithy]

It was actually the majority that ruined it not the minority.

Well keep if for the minority that didn't abuse it then



Also kizzy can you stop brining your personal **** into the thread you're gonna end up getting it closed

[JoshBB]

I usually tone my posts down after getting an infraction.

[Josy]

I didn't ask why it was given... I know why it was given, that wasn't the query.

There was no other query in the message Kizzy other than 'Have I said something wrong' I will check the message again and reply to you but if you know why the infraction was given then I don't understand what it is your questioning.

[Ashley.]

I usually tone my posts down after getting an infraction.

I remember when I got my first infraction, I went on post strike for a good 10 minutes. :laugh:

[Josy]

Well keep if for the minority that didn't abuse it then



Also kizzy can you stop brining your personal **** into the thread you're gonna end up getting it closed

There was no point when most were abusing it. And we find it works better without it.

Just to add, I liked the appeals section.

[lostalex]

i feel like reopening the forum for challenging infractions would not only make the infracted members feel better, but would also allow other members to understand the rules better. Isn;t the most important thing for all members to understand the rules better? that way they are less likely to break them.

[Kizzy]

It was actually the majority that ruined it not the minority.

Why not make it a private thing like the chat threads, for established members.
Wouldn't they be less likely to get offensive to moderators?

[Ashley.]

Also kizzy can you stop brining your personal **** into the thread you're gonna end up getting it closed

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[Josy]

Why not make it a private thing like the chat threads, for established members.
Wouldn't they be less likely to get offensive to moderators?

It was established members that used it, rarely did an on season or newer member post in there or were even aware of it being there.

[Smithy]

The problem is the rules are not clear, and they basically just depend on who is offended by any given thing.


I definitely agree with this, I've asked previously for a more clear, harsher infraction system to be put into place but nothing came of it because it wouldn't work apparently, but if people know how many points they're going to get for certain rule breaks I think it would curb it, especially if bans were longer :shrug:

[lostalex]

shouldn't you also admit that some mods were abusing their power. You must admit some mods did abuse their power... BEN.

[Kizzy]

Well keep if for the minority that didn't abuse it then



Also kizzy can you stop brining your personal **** into the thread you're gonna end up getting it closed

I'll ask what I like smithy, as is everyone.

[Tom4784]

Agree with this tbh


Also I don't understand why the private queries forum was removed, just ban the few that abused it from using, why have the minority's ruin it for the majority when there's an easy solution for it :shrug:

We actually have guidelines for infractions. This is the screen we see when we infract people.

http://i.imgur.com/5H4EzY9.jpg

There's not many infractions that veer outside those point allocations. Most of the mods are different which is why we moderate ourselves so well but our approaches when it comes to infractions are the same because we all infract people using the same guidelines.

[Ashley.]

Did you message any mods or use the contact us form?

Yes, then I got banned from messaging which made me feel bad like I was harassing you or something

[lostalex]

and let's also remember the GREAT members that were driven away from this forum because of unfair modding, like Jesus. we all know Jesus was a great member and added a lot to this forum, but because of unfair modding and being treated unfairly, he is no longer here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I only report Mods and admin and some days go by when I dont even do that


Iv said this before I am sure :think:

[Josy]

I definitely agree with this, I've asked previously for a more clear, harsher infraction system to be put into place but nothing came of it because it wouldn't work apparently, but if people know how many points they're going to get for certain rule breaks I think it would curb it, especially if bans were longer :shrug:

We do have a guideline but we also take other things into account like how often a person is breaking the same rules and so on.

I'll ask what I like smithy, as is everyone.

Smithy has a point Kizzy, using this to query or moan about your personal infractions will result in the thread being closed

[lostalex]

repeated inappropriate language... but we have built in censors for that, they automatically censor obscene language, so why is anyone infracted for that if it;s censored automatically?

[Josy]

Yes, then I got banned from messaging which made me feel bad like I was harassing you or something

You only messaged me about an infraction prior to your ban. Not about your ban or the infraction that caused it.

[Smithy]

We actually have guidelines for infractions. This is the screen we see when we infract people.

http://i.imgur.com/5H4EzY9.jpg

There's not many infractions that veer outside those point allocations. Most of the mods are different which is why we moderate ourselves so well but our approaches when it comes to infractions are the same because we all infract people using the same guidelines.

Infractions Active 1/56
Points: 20

:shrug: custom infractions like this are ridiculous though, and like josy said, not everything is in the rules so mods have to use thier own initiative, I imagine most of the infractions handed out aren't even on that list because it's usually stuff like "causing drama" "didn't drop it etc" which are all custom infractions and are given out at varying levels depending on the mod, plus why are there 4 different ones for insults

[Ashley.]

You only messaged me about an infraction prior to your ban. Not about your ban or the infraction that caused it.

I must've got banned from messaging whilst I was messaging you then

[lostalex]

I feel like the only way to truly solve this is to make me a TiBB Staff.

I feel like i'm the only one really qualified to judge infractions fairly.

[Tom4784]

I think one common misconception is that we choose to ban people, the only time we actively ban people is if we permaban them or put them on three month bans. The rest are automatic bans caused by people going over the limit of allotted infraction points. People rarely get banned for one thing, it's usually a build up that will lead to a ban.

[Smithy]

and let's also remember the GREAT members that were driven away from this forum because of unfair modding, like Jesus. we all know Jesus was a great member and added a lot to this forum, but because of unfair modding and being treated unfairly, he is no longer here.

Iirc Jesus left of his own accord and asked for his account to be deleted straight after he won most loved, he wasnt driven away at all

[lostalex]

Iirc Jesus left of his own accord and asked for his account to be deleted straight after he won most loved, he was t driven away at all

that's not what happened at all.

[Josy]

I must've got banned from messaging whilst I was messaging you then

No you never. You were messaging another member when you were banned from messaging.

[Ashley.]

Infractions Active 1/56
Points: 20

:shrug: custom infractions like this are ridiculous though, and like josy said, not everything is in the rules so mods have to use thier own initiative, I imagine most of the infractions handed out aren't even on that list because it's usually stuff like "causing drama" "didn't drop it etc" which are all custom infractions and are given out at varying levels depending on the mod, plus why are there 4 different ones for insults

Yeah I'm not a fan of custom infractions, we should all play by the rules.

[Ashley.]

No you never. You were messaging another member when you were banned from messaging.

You were spying on me? :suspect:

[Josy]

Infractions Active 1/56
Points: 20

:shrug: custom infractions like this are ridiculous though, and like josy said, not everything is in the rules so mods have to use thier own initiative, I imagine most of the infractions handed out aren't even on that list because it's usually stuff like "causing drama" "didn't drop it etc" which are all custom infractions and are given out at varying levels depending on the mod, plus why are there 4 different ones for insults

Not depending on the mod, depending on the member and their previous infractions and rule breaks.

If you have multiple infractions for insulting people then you do it again the infractions points will likely be higher.

[Johnnyuk123]

When someone posts a comment... lets say.. they say.....

I hate cheese!!!

Now 100 forum members might agree with this comment or even laugh at that comment but another 100 might be totally offended by it simply because they love cheese and how dare the poster use the very harsh word HATE when describing cheese. Both sides are right to have their own opinion on it. Both sides agree to disagree with each other about it etc and more importantly niether side gets punished for it. The problem only arises when the 201st person reads this comment who just so happens to be a moderator. They have the power to take action for or against this comment depending on their own personal take on it. Unfortunately if that moderator is a cheese lover they will agree that this comment is in fact offensive to cheese and there is every chance that the original poster is getting an infraction for using the word HATE against cheese.
And all because they hate cheese and you don't. :joker:

[Josy]

You were spying on me?

No, jeez spying? talk about paranoid.

[Tom4784]

Infractions Active 1/56
Points: 20

:shrug: custom infractions like this are ridiculous though, and like josy said, not everything is in the rules so mods have to use thier own initiative, I imagine most of the infractions handed out aren't even on that list because it's usually stuff like "causing drama" "didn't drop it etc" which are all custom infractions and are given out at varying levels depending on the mod, plus why are there 4 different ones for insults

The premade infractions are just generic examples to give us an idea of point allocation, if we create a custom infraction, say for causing drama then we'll use a similar amount of points to the 'insults to other members' infraction. If you repeat the same offense then you'll get more infraction points which is why there's multiple 'insult' infractions with higher points. It's a guide line of how many points we should hand out, not a rigid template of what we should infract people for.

[Ashley.]

No, jeez spying? talk about paranoid.

You're doing it again.

[Josy]

When someone posts a comment... lets say.. they say.....

I hate cheese!!!

Now 100 forum members might agree with this comment or even laugh at that comment but another 100 might be totally offended by it simply because they love cheese and how dare the poster use the very harsh word HATE when describing cheese. Both sides are right to have their own opinion on it. Both sides agree to disagree with each other about it etc and more importantly niether side gets punished for it. The problem only arises when the 201st person reads this comment who just so happens to be a moderator. They have the power to take action for or against this comment depending on their own personal take on it. Unfortunately if that moderator is a cheese lover they will agree that this comment is in fact offensive to cheese and there is every chance that the original poster is getting an infraction for using the word HATE against cheese.
And all because they hate cheese and you don't. :joker:


Basically no. Nice try though.

[Smithy]

Not depending on the mod, depending on the member and their previous infractions and rule breaks.

If you have multiple infractions for insulting people then you do it again the infractions points will likely be higher.

Ok but what about the insult, if I called some a ****ing ***** and it was the first time I'd insulted anyone would that be a one point infraction as apposed to someone else who called everyone idiots on the daily would they then get a 9 point infraction?

Just doesn't seem very fair to me :shrug:

[Denver]

If everyone acted like me nobody would be infracted #goodboy

[Josy]

You're doing it again.

Doing what? answering you, you are in this thread asking questions you either want an answer to them or you don't.

You weren't messaging me about your ban, in fact you never messaged me about that ban or infraction at all yet you post in here that 'theres no discussion' that was clearly posted to make the mods look bad when in reality there was no discussion because you hadn't attempted any.

[Josy]

Ok but what about the insult, if I called some a ****ing ***** and it was the first time I'd insulted anyone would that be a one point infraction as apposed to someone else who called everyone idiots on the daily would they then get a 9 point infraction?

Just doesn't seem very fair to me :shrug:

Why is it not fair? someone continually breaking the rules by insulting people daily obviously deserves a harsher infraction than someone that has never broken a rule but got angry once and posted a minor insult.

[Ashley.]

Doing what? answering you, you are in this thread asking questions you either want an answer to them or you don't.

You weren't messaging me about your ban, in fact you never messaged me about that ban or infraction at all yet you post in here that 'theres no discussion' that was clearly posted to make the mods look bad when in reality there was no discussion because you hadn't attempted any.

What are you getting so defensive about? I thought I messaged you but obviously I didn't. :shrug: My mistake.

[lostalex]

I think another thing i'll say about the "rules"... this forum used to be very sexual and no problem, now we are being constantly reminded that there are 13 y/o's all around us and everyone must act like we are primary school teachers...

This is a big brother forum, big brother is an adult program. there is even a warning at the beginning of the show now because people are so sensitive, it's an ADULT program. but we are expected to speak like we are talking to 13 y/o's all the time? i don't understand that.

[Josy]

What are you getting so defensive about? I thought I messaged you but obviously I didn't. :shrug: My mistake.

I'm not defensive at all, you came into the thread and declared there was no discussion about your infraction/ban when it wasn't the case at all which I was pointing out.

[Denver]

I think another thing i'll say about the "rules"... this forum used to be very sexual and no problem, now we are being constantly reminded that there are 13 y/o's all around us and everyone must act like we are primary school teachers...

This is a big brother forum, big brother is an adult program. there is even a warning at the beginning of the show now because people are so sensitive, it's an ADULT program. but we are expected to speak like we are talking to 13 y/o's all the time? i don't understand that.

I've said all along this should be a 16+ site

[LemonJam]

Josy & Dezzy :clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am going to hazard a guess and say that Johnny has had a few infractions that he is a bit sore about and does not feel they are justified?


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[Ross.]

Omg LT you're alive :clap1: :clap1:

[Ashley.]

I'm not defensive at all, you came into the thread and declared there was no discussion about your infraction/ban when it wasn't the case at all which I was pointing out.

Even if I did try to contact you about my ban, I don't think it would've changed anything, because of the nature of the ban.

[Johnnyuk123]

I am going to hazard a guess and say that Johnny has had a few infractions that he is a bit sore about and does not feel they are justified?


http://cdn8.openculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/sherlock_holmes_in_public-domain.jpg

No i'm not. :joker: But it would be nice if the rules were more transparent/fairer for everyone. I'd like that to happen.:wavey:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No i'm not. :joker: But it would be nice if the rules were more transparent/fairer for everyone. I'd like that to happen.:wavey:

the mods work in mysterious ways :nono:

ours is not to reason why

[arista]

With me I
if I am Guilty
I take like a man

They are staff
I am a member


Life In The City

[Kizzy]

We do have a guideline but we also take other things into account like how often a person is breaking the same rules and so on.



Smithy has a point Kizzy, using this to query or moan about your personal infractions will result in the thread being closed

Smithy creating drama will probably do that too, nobody likes being sworn at and I'm no different.
If I break a rule report me, don't snipe on threads at me.

[JoshBB]

I've said all along this should be a 16+ site

:nono:

[Johnnyuk123]

the mods work in mysterious ways :nono:

ours is not to reason why

:worship::worship::worship:

[Ashley.]

I've said all along this should be a 16+ site

Justice 4 Tom

[lostalex]

With me I
if I am Guilty
I take like a man

They are staff
I am a member


Life In The City

when you say take it like a man... is that vastly different from taking it like a woman?

[Glenn.]

that's not what happened at all.

It's precisely what happened.

[Tom4784]

I think one thing that members should remember when it comes to accusations of Bias and such is that I really cannot be arsed to actively hold a grudge or be biased towards someone. That takes effort and I don't care enough to hate someone to such an extent that I'd abuse my mod privileges to get back at them.

I think some members like to think that we're some sort of evil masterminds that spend our days posting in Tibb Towers planning ways to make those members suffer when that takes effort and I simply do not give enough of a **** to do that ****.

I'd say the same goes for the other mods, our lives do not revolve around making you suffer.

[lostalex]

It's precisely what happened.

no it's not. i got plenty of PMs from him explaining why he was leaving. He was Pm'ing me about his gripes with this forum for a long time before he made the decision. You obviously didn't know him well.

[Kizzy]

I think one thing that members should remember when it comes to accusations of Bias and such is that I really cannot be arsed to actively hold a grudge or be biased towards someone. That takes effort and I don't care enough to hate someone to such an extent that I'd abuse my mod privileges to get back at them.

I think some members like to think that we're some sort of evil masterminds that spend our days posting in Tibb Towers planning ways to make those members suffer when that takes effort and I simply do not give enough of a **** to do that ****.

I'd say the same goes for the other mods, our lives do not revolve around making you suffer.

So when you said 'burning Wombai' was your fave tibb moment was that a joke?

[Glenn.]

no it's not. i got plenty of PMs from him explaining why he was leaving. you obviously didn't know him.

I also got plenty of PMs And know why he left. I'm starting to think he had the right idea.

[Tom4784]

So when you said 'burning Wombai' was your fave tibb moment was that a joke?

Like I said before, I play up to the image of being a banhammer wielding mad man, the reality is very different.

I didn't even ban Wombai.

[lostalex]

It would be nice to have a mod that was "arsed". just saying...

I would prefer to have mods that were "arsed" about getting it right.

[Ammi]

..well personally I think this whole thread is a perfect example of why bringing back the appeal section is not the best idea.../nor having a mod 'declare themselves' as being the one who gave out an infraction/ban...which is irrelevant anyway as they're all agreed by all active staff at the time...

[Tom4784]

It would be nice to have a mod that was "arsed". just saying...

I would prefer to have mods that were "arsed" about getting it right.

Taking things out of context is fun.

[lostalex]

..well personally I think this whole thread is a perfect example of why bringing back the appeal section is not the best idea.../nor having a mod 'declare themselves' as being the one who gave out an infraction/ban...which is irrelevant anyway as they're all agreed by all active staff at the time...

Ammi you are too sweet for this discussion. and i highly doubt you've ever got an infraction. so this really doesn't concern you. no offense sweet thing.

[Ross.]

Tbh it seems like no matter what they say, Dezzy and Josy just can't seem to win here

[Josy]

I think another thing i'll say about the "rules"... this forum used to be very sexual and no problem, now we are being constantly reminded that there are 13 y/o's all around us and everyone must act like we are primary school teachers...

This is a big brother forum, big brother is an adult program. there is even a warning at the beginning of the show now because people are so sensitive, it's an ADULT program. but we are expected to speak like we are talking to 13 y/o's all the time? i don't understand that.

Yes BB is an adult program but even though we are a BB forum it isn't the sole reason the forum is used these days, there is a lot of other sections.

The sexual discussion thing, yes there are younger members on here but it isn't only them that we think about when deciding what is 'too graphic' to be posted, I'm 33 years old and far from a prude but even I am shocked at times at some of the sexual things that get posted on this site, that's not to say that any sexual discussion at all is against the forum rules but there are lines that shouldn't be crossed imho, theres also an 18+ group that could be used if you feel the need to discuss more sexually graphic things (within reason of course)

[arista]

I am amazed this has Not Been Locked

[lostalex]

Tbh it seems like no matter what they say, Dezzy and Josy just can't seem to win here

what?? how are they not winning? this thread is meaningless because nothing is gonna change, and they both still have absolute power.

this thread is really just a few people venting frustration and it means nothing in the end.

Dezzy and Josy are the ONLY ones in this thread that win.

[Ammi]

..and also I have to say, with Dezzy..?...if people are being silly in a thread, his 'threat of a ban hammer' is enough to calm the situation, so effective to his modding..which is why it's 'legendary'...not that he actually uses it...

[lostalex]

..and also I have to say, with Dezzy..?...if people are being silly in a thread, his 'threat of a ban hammer' is enough to calm the situation, so effective to his modding..which is why it's 'legendary'...not that he actually uses it...

umm, yes, he uses it. LOL he definitely uses it.

[Josy]

Ammi you are too sweet for this discussion. and i highly doubt you've ever got an infraction. so this really doesn't concern you. no offense sweet thing.

As a member of the forum Ammi is perfectly entitled to an opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

when you say take it like a man... is that vastly different from taking it like a woman?

I think women get it like a man from Arista

[Ammi]

umm, yes, he uses it. LOL he definitely uses it.

...yeah but only in the way that any mod would infract or ban if it was appropriate to do so.../I didn't mean never at all...

[Kizzy]

..and also I have to say, with Dezzy..?...if people are being silly in a thread, his 'threat of a ban hammer' is enough to calm the situation, so effective to his modding..which is why it's 'legendary'...not that he actually uses it...

Yes... he just said that Ammi, I just read it there a second ago.

[Josy]

Tbh it seems like no matter what they say, Dezzy and Josy just can't seem to win here

That's normally the way of it :laugh: no matter what we say or how we try and explain things some just see us as the enemy, and some think we spend our days on the forum plotting in the admin section who we will ban next.

When in reality unless theres reports from a thread or a discussion about an infraction we are barely in there and just browse the forum and take part in discussions like everyone else does.

what?? how are they not winning? this thread is meaningless because nothing is gonna change, and they both still have absolute power.

this thread is really just a few people venting frustration and it means nothing in the end.

Dezzy and Josy are the ONLY ones in this thread that win.

The thread does mean something Alex, we try to answer any questions people may have about the moderating of the forum, infractions and so on and in a way we don't win because you have members saying we never explain things, we don't discuss thing then we have other members saying, why is this thread still open etc.

[Tom4784]

what?? how are they not winning? this thread is meaningless because nothing is gonna change, and they both still have absolute power.

this thread is really just a few people venting frustration and it means nothing in the end.

Dezzy and Josy are the ONLY ones in this thread that win.

You just want special treatment Alex and that's the long and short of it. You think you're above the rules and, as evidenced by this thread, you're gonna look for any reason to demonise us instead of accepting responsibility for your own actions.

'It's the mods' fault! The people who reported me are to blame! IT'S EVERYONE'S FAULT BUT MY OWN!'

That is essentially what you've been saying.

[Ammi]

Ammi you are too sweet for this discussion. and i highly doubt you've ever got an infraction. so this really doesn't concern you. no offense sweet thing.

..I just keep mine to myself Alex, but the reason the appeal section didn't seem to work is because inevitably, these things just become back and forth and back and forth and off topic and nothing really being achieved ...

[Crimson Dynamo]

You just want special treatment Alex and that's the long and short of it. You think you're above the rules and, as evidenced by this thread, you're gonna look for any reason to demonise us instead of accepting responsibility for your own actions.

'It's the mods' fault! The people who reported me are to blame! IT'S EVERYONE'S FAULT BUT MY OWN!'

That is essentially what you've been saying.

no not everyone, just you and Josy

:fan:

[lostalex]

i don't think that's fair, i don't want special treatment. I take my infractions as they come, and i'm just venting that some of them i don't agree with. but you can't say i'm going ballistic, and you can't say i don't learn from my mistakes. I truly am dumbfounded by some of my infractions though, and i think the system could be better. that's all.

I'm willing to accept that though, if i wasn't i wouldn't be coming back, I would have followed jesus right out the door.

This is a thread about infractions, so of course i'm bringing up my frustrations with that.

That doesn't mean that i don't appreciate all the hard work the mods do to keep the forum running though. If someone wants to make a thread about all the great things mods do, i'd be posting in there praising you. There's no doubt that the mods have a schedule and they are doing their best. but nobody's best is ever perfect.

[Tom4784]

no not everyone, just you and Josy

:fan:

Welcome to the glamorous life of a moderator.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Welcome to the glamorous life of a moderator.

Dezzy you know as the Mods spiritual advisor my door is always open


https://killaley.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/open-door.jpg

[Ninastar]

I do respect the mods and what they do, but I also think harsher sentences need to be given out. There are people who constantly cause drama on the forum. Who spend hours offsite, bitching, causing arguments and even bullying... It's wrong and it's not fair, I've had several people message me telling me how down they feel because of it. There's a serious group mentality on here and most of the forum wouldn't miss them if they were banned outright.

[lostalex]

i definitely think if you guys made me, well not a mod, but maybe some sort of consultant, i could help you improve the system.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I do respect the mods and what they do, but I also think harsher sentences need to be given out. There are people who constantly cause drama on the forum. Who spend hours offsite, bitching, causing arguments and even bullying... It's wrong and it's not fair, I've had several people message me telling me how down they feel because of it. There's a serious group mentality on here and most of the forum wouldn't miss them if they were banned outright.

I like Alex




:hehe:

[Ashley.]

I do respect the mods and what they do, but I also think harsher sentences need to be given out. There are people who constantly cause drama on the forum. Who spend hours offsite, bitching, causing arguments and even bullying... It's wrong and it's not fair, I've had several people message me telling me how down they feel because of it. There's a serious group mentality on here and most of the forum wouldn't miss them if they were banned outright.

I don't think there's anyone currently that doesn't deserve to be here.

[Ninastar]

No, I like Alex. I don't mean him, lol.

[arista]

I do respect the mods and what they do, but I also think harsher sentences need to be given out. There are people who constantly cause drama on the forum. Who spend hours offsite, bitching, causing arguments and even bullying... It's wrong and it's not fair, I've had several people message me telling me how down they feel because of it. There's a serious group mentality on here and most of the forum wouldn't miss them if they were banned outright.

You Bitch

[Ammi]

i don't think that's fair, i don't want special treatment. I take my infractions as they come, and i'm just venting that some of them i don't agree with. but you can't say i'm going ballistic, and you can't say i don't learn from my mistakes. I truly am dumbfounded by some of my infractions though, and i think the system could be better. that's all.

I'm willing to accept that though, if i wasn't i wouldn't be coming back, I would have followed jesus right out the door.

This is a thread about infractions, so of course i'm bringing up my frustrations with that.
That doesn't mean that i don't appreciate all the hard work the mods do to keep the forum running though. If someone wants to make a thread about all the great things mods do, i'd be posting in there praising you. There's no doubt that the mods have a schedule and they are doing their best. but nobody's best is ever perfect.

..and if we had the appeals section back Alex, then your frustrations would be brought up there, which was what was happening I presume only with multiple member's frustrations..so not really a great idea...and tbh Alex, I personally wouldn't want that because I'd rather the mods who are online at any give time are actually moderating the forum and their time not being taken up with 'infraction frustrations' etc...

[Ammi]

i definitely think if you guys made me, well not a mod, but maybe some sort of consultant, i could help you improve the system.

...an ambassador for the USA..?...

[Ninastar]

You Bitch

-reports-

http://www.teampwnicorn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Joffrey-gets-slapped-5.gif

[lostalex]

...an ambassador for the USA..?...

an ambassador for the infracted. like a human rights representative.

[arista]

-reports-

http://www.teampwnicorn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Joffrey-gets-slapped-5.gif


How Nice

[Crimson Dynamo]

an ambassador for the infracted. like a human rights representative.

Union Leader

Fighting against the man

[arista]

an ambassador for the infracted. like a human rights representative.



No Tibb
is not part of that Group
it has One Owner at present

I dare him to Post on Here

[Ashley.]

This topic might as well get closed anyway because we're not even discussing the original point of this thread, which was whether people learn from their infractions.

[kirklancaster]

no not everyone, just you and Josy

:fan:

:laugh: Stirring git.

[arista]

Union Leader

Fighting against the man

http://www.acorndvd.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/228x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/o/p/optd2804-im-all-right-jack-.gif

[Ammi]

an ambassador for the infracted. like a human rights representative.

..this can only happen if you bake cookies and bring them to us all every day...

[kirklancaster]

I like Alex




:hehe:

:laugh:

[Johnnyuk123]

My original comment/question was...

Do infractions make you alter your posts?

Some have answered it but many have taken the thread in several different directions. I don't mind that cos at least we are all talking and that can only be a good thing.:wavey:

[lostalex]

..this can only happen if you bake cookies and bring them to us all every day...

I love baking. especially holiday themed cookies and cakes. i believe all baked goods should have a fun theme, not just boring circles.

[Ammi]

This topic might as well get closed anyway because we're not even discussing the original point of this thread, which was whether people learn from their infractions.

...if thread was replaced with 'infraction/ban', that probably tells you why the appeals section wasn't something that worked at all Ashley and a good call to not have it anymore...because it really was just engaging moderator's attention on the few, rather than them moderating the forum for everyone ...

[Ashley.]

...if thread was replaced with 'infraction/ban', that probably tells you why the appeals section wasn't something that worked at all Ashley and a good call to not have it anymore...because it really was just engaging moderator's attention on the few, rather than them moderating the forum for everyone ...

Good point.

[Ammi]

I love baking. especially holiday themed cookies and cakes. i believe all baked goods should have a fun theme, not just boring circles.

..ok you have my full vote for human rights ambassador but if ever I become too huge to log on with all of the cookies, we might have to petition to have you removed...:laugh:..

[arista]

..ok you have my full vote for human rights ambassador but if ever I become too huge to log on with all of the cookies, we might have to petition to have you removed...:laugh:..


No there is no room for that
here

[Kizzy]

My original comment/question was...

Do infractions make you alter your posts?

Some have answered it but many have taken the thread in several different directions. I don't mind that cos at least we are all talking and that can only be a good thing.:wavey:

Well personally no, I wouldn't dumb my reactions down and 99.9% of the time I 100% stand behind my posts, but like everyone I'm not perfect... practically, but not quite.

[Liam-]

Not totally, whenever I get an infraction (been a while :hee:) I just see what it was for and not use particular words/phrases again, but I never change the way I post because I have no faults.

[Liam-]

I do respect the mods and what they do, but I also think harsher sentences need to be given out. There are people who constantly cause drama on the forum. Who spend hours offsite, bitching, causing arguments and even bullying... It's wrong and it's not fair, I've had several people message me telling me how down they feel because of it. There's a serious group mentality on here and most of the forum wouldn't miss them if they were banned outright.

#LezForMod

[Amy Jade]

Chaos :clap1:

[reece(:]

As it stands right now, I'd say everything is running perfectly fine and many posts in this thread are just throwing toys out of the pram.

The only criticism I could offer to this whole whoo-ha is maybe offering a bit of detail to warnings/infractions instead of "please stop this" with the post being private...but this maybe nonsense in itself because I can't remember if once they expire the post linked to the rule break disappears :laugh:.

And finally in response to the OP, I generally don't alter my posts to avoid infractions but like if I'm being told to not post too many gifs in the BB section, I'll not.

[Ninastar]

#LezForMod

thank you <3

but I hate too many people to be a mod tbh. I'd permaban so many people. I'd be demodded in a day.

You'd be a great mod though <3

Chaos :clap1:

:love:

[JoshBB]

As it stands right now, I'd say everything is running perfectly fine and many posts in this thread are just throwing toys out of the pram.

The only criticism I could offer to this whole whoo-ha is maybe offering a bit of detail to warnings/infractions instead of "please stop this" with the post being private...but this maybe nonsense in itself because I can't remember if once they expire the post linked to the rule break disappears :laugh:.

And finally in response to the OP, I generally don't alter my posts to avoid infractions but like if I'm being told to not post too many gifs in the BB section, I'll not.

Y E S.

There's literally no way to avoid breaking the rule again if you don't know what you did in the first place.

[Marsh.]

I do respect the mods and what they do, but I also think harsher sentences need to be given out. There are people who constantly cause drama on the forum. Who spend hours offsite, bitching, causing arguments and even bullying... It's wrong and it's not fair, I've had several people message me telling me how down they feel because of it. There's a serious group mentality on here and most of the forum wouldn't miss them if they were banned outright.

WE WANT NAMES!

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I have no faults.

http://i.imgur.com/3pC9WfQ.gif

[Marsh.]

http://i.imgur.com/3pC9WfQ.gif

:joker:

[Liam-]

thank you <3

but I hate too many people to be a mod tbh. I'd permaban so many people. I'd be demodded in a day.

You'd be a great mod though <3



:love:

Same tbh, I'd be chased off the forum if I was a mod, people already dislike me enough as it is :joker:

[EspeonBB]

To answer the original question I don't necessarily change the way I post but if I get infracted then I'll tone it down. Although most of my infractions have to do with gif spamming so it's easy to just tone that down :joker:

[Lostie!]

I've never had an official infraction so I suppose I'm kind of perfect. :shrug:

[Firewire]

No

[Denver]

We should have yearly mod elections

[Dominic]

We should have yearly mod elections

#gamepodfan4mod2016?

[Smithy]

We should have yearly mod elections

We had a mod elected once, They didn't really do/change anything

I'll say no more :hee:

[Pete.]

To a certain extent yeah

[Jordan.]

A 10 month ban turns you into a kind hearted soul

[Marsh.]

Still no. :)

[Johnnyuk123]

If there are like some have suggested Mod elections, then why am i not a mod already?

[Rob!]

There's a thread made for every single infraction given? I bet that makes for some interesting reading :fan:

I'm guessing Marsh has his own Subforum?

[kirklancaster]

If there are like some have suggested Mod elections, then why am i not a mod already?

You are a 'Smoothie' Johnny and a little bit 'Hippie' in some of your views, but you can't be a 'Mod' because you're off your 'Rocker'. :laugh:

[Niamh.]

We had a mod elected once, They didn't really do/change anything

I'll say no more :hee:

Who?

[Marsh.]

Who?

I think he's talking about you. :omgno:

Scold him.

[Niamh.]

I think he's talking about you. :omgno:

Scold him.

:laugh:

There was 4 other people made mod at the same time as me. I don't think we ever had a mod who was elected by the forum though unless I have some serious amnesia? :laugh:

[Marsh.]

:laugh:

There was 4 other people made mod at the same time as me. I don't think we ever had a mod who was elected by the forum though unless I have some serious amnesia? :laugh:

Maybe andybigbro?

Wasn't it not long after Kerry passed and other mods became inactive and there were threads about who people thought should be mod and he was quite popular?

My memory's quite vague about it. :think:

Not really forum elected, but strongly supported mod decision. :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Maybe andybigbro?

Wasn't it not long after Kerry passed and other mods became inactive and there were threads about who people thought should be mod and he was quite popular?

My memory's quite vague about it. :think:

Not really forum elected, but strongly supported mod decision. :laugh:

No I don't think so, there's always threads that pop up about who would and who wouldn't be a good mod. When Andy was made a mod people were asked to apply if they they were interested and we decided from there. Don't think it was soon after Kerry passed either.

[Marsh.]

No I don't think so, there's always threads that pop up about who would and who wouldn't be a good mod. When Andy was made a mod people were asked to apply if they they were interested and we decided from there. Don't think it was soon after Kerry passed either.

Oh yeah, that was it. The applications.

I take it mine got lost in the wilderness of the internet? :think:

[Cherie]

In answer to the OP I feel Marsh has learned a valuable lesson during his enforced holidays from the forum yes

[Marsh.]

In answer to the OP I feel Marsh has learned a valuable lesson during his enforced holidays from the forum yes

Omg :flutter:

You can be like my sponsor at an AA meeting? :amazed:

[Niamh.]

Oh yeah, that was it. The applications.

I take it mine got lost in the wilderness of the internet? :think:

Must have done yeah :fan:

They did the applications the time me, Josy, Dezzy, Eoin and Nathan were made mods too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Must have done yeah :fan:

They did the applications the time me, Josy, Dezzy, Eoin and Nathan were made mods too.

dark days indeed...


:omgno:

[Marsh.]

Must have done yeah :fan:

They did the applications the time me, Josy, Dezzy, Eoin and Nathan were made mods too.

My god, were they desperate in 2009? :idc:

[Niamh.]

2010 actually :idc:

[Cherie]

Omg :flutter:

You can be like my sponsor at an AA meeting? :amazed:

I will shadow you Marsh and impart my wisdom and knowledge on posting in the correct manner

[MTVN]

No application needed from me of course :smug:

[Cherie]

No application needed from me of course :smug:

The Chosen One...look what happened to him though :laugh:

[Niamh.]

No application needed from me of course :smug:

No, you were groomed :hehe:

[Cherie]

No, you were groomed :hehe:

:omgno:

[Mystic Mock]

Nah I still carry on pissing people off it's in my nature.:joker: