Barbara Windsor : 'Sod Off' If You Won't Wear A Poppy

[arista]

Feck You Windsor
I do not wear one.


http://news.sky.com/story/1578184/windsor-sod-off-if-you-wont-wear-a-poppy


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[bots]

i whole heartedly support the armed forces, but I will never again wear a poppy.

[Niamh.]

Listen to Barbara Windsor telling people what they have to wear, you feck off Barbara :fist:

[Cherie]

Maybe she should put her money where her mouth is and stand on a street selling them then, personal choice Barbara which is what conflict has gifted us.

[DemolitionRed]

i whole heartedly support the armed forces, but I will never again wear a poppy.

Why would you never again wear a poppy?

[Northern Monkey]

I wear one but i would'nt ever go to Babs for fashion advice:laugh:

[bots]

Why would you never again wear a poppy?

because I don't agree that the services should have to rely on charity, and the longer that people continue to contribute, the less likely that government will be forced to accept their responsibility. Of course I want servicemen and families treated well, but charity is not the solution.

[Tom4784]

I donate money to the charity but I refuse to wear a poppy, It's a symbol that's become less about remembering the dead and more about saying 'Oh, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy, aren't I wonderful and kind?' and belittling anyone who doesn't think the same. Every time someone on Facebook shares a picture of a poppy with the caption 'THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN OWN X AMOUNT OF TIMES, SHARE THE HELL OUT OF IT' I die a little inside.

I like poppies and what they stand for, but I simply hate people for turning them into a self absorbed status symbol.

[joeysteele]

because I don't agree that the services should have to rely on charity, and the longer that people continue to contribute, the less likely that government will be forced to accept their responsibility. Of course I want servicemen and families treated well, but charity is not the solution.

I never looked at it that way, it puts a whole new light on the issue.
Thanks for that bitontheslide.Good point really.

[Firewire]

I donate money to the charity but I refuse to wear a poppy, It's a symbol that's become less about remembering the dead and more about saying 'Oh, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy, aren't I wonderful and kind?' and belittling anyone who doesn't think the same. Every time someone on Facebook shares a picture of a poppy with the caption 'THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN OWN X AMOUNT OF TIMES, SHARE THE HELL OUT OF IT' I die a little inside.

I like poppies and what they stand for, but I simply hate people for turning them into a self absorbed status symbol.

I agree. I always donate but never wear one.

[Will.]

saggy Barbara...

[Ammi]

because I don't agree that the services should have to rely on charity, and the longer that people continue to contribute, the less likely that government will be forced to accept their responsibility. Of course I want servicemen and families treated well, but charity is not the solution.

..I kind of don't have that faith in the Government if I'm honest, even with charity donations, some ex service people end their days in poverty...

[MB.]

Alternatively, do what you feel is right for yourself (and allow others to do the same), stick to your beliefs and make sure you establish the difference between paying respect in an individual way and wearing a paper flower for a week or two

[Livia]

Alongside the soldiers (and sailors and airmen and women) who die leaving dependants and the ones who are terribly physically injured and need support forever, there are those who've developed mental illness as a result of their service and mentally they never really leave the battlefield. Lots of those with mental illness end up living on the streets. They have been failed generation after generation.

But hey, if remembering these people annoys you because some people wear the poppy as a status symbol, then you opt out. Never mind the millions who wear them as a show of support... you focus on the few airheads who think wearing a poppy gives them some status. And when you do choose not to wear a poppy, remember that it's the British Forces who've fought for your freedom to turn your backs on them.

[Livia]

because I don't agree that the services should have to rely on charity, and the longer that people continue to contribute, the less likely that government will be forced to accept their responsibility. Of course I want servicemen and families treated well, but charity is not the solution.

And what should those ex-service people who need support do while we're waiting for the government to step up?

[smudgie]

I wear my poppy with pride.
Not as a ruddy status symbol or whatever, but to show that I remember the people that have fought and died for this country, alongside those that survived but still suffer.
I bought the ceramic poppies as well, I also have direct debits paid into the charity twice yearly. This is my main charity as they helped my dad towards the end of his life.
Silly for Barbara to whinge in about others refusing or not wanting to wear one though, it is all down to personal choice.

[Will.]

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[Kate!]

I donate money to the charity but I refuse to wear a poppy, It's a symbol that's become less about remembering the dead and more about saying 'Oh, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy, aren't I wonderful and kind?' and belittling anyone who doesn't think the same. Every time someone on Facebook shares a picture of a poppy with the caption 'THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN OWN X AMOUNT OF TIMES, SHARE THE HELL OUT OF IT' I die a little inside.

I like poppies and what they stand for, but I simply hate people for turning them into a self absorbed status symbol.

[2]

Wearing one is like proclaiming I've done my bit.

[bots]

And what should those ex-service people who need support do while we're waiting for the government to step up?

The government should commit a certain level of funding which matches/exceeds that raised by the charity, then as the charity is phased out, the government funding takes up the slack

[Tom4784]

Alongside the soldiers (and sailors and airmen and women) who die leaving dependants and the ones who are terribly physically injured and need support forever, there are those who've developed mental illness as a result of their service and mentally they never really leave the battlefield. Lots of those with mental illness end up living on the streets. They have been failed generation after generation.

But hey, if remembering these people annoys you because some people wear the poppy as a status symbol, then you opt out. Never mind the millions who wear them as a show of support... you focus on the few airheads who think wearing a poppy gives them some status. And when you do choose not to wear a poppy, remember that it's the British Forces who've fought for your freedom to turn your backs on them.

I donate money. Wearing a plastic poppy is not going to fix any of those problems, they do nothing, it's the money that matters. I do not need to wear a poppy to respect the armed forces, I don't feel the need to show off to other people and if they judge me for that then they need a hobby.

[Kazanne]

Alongside the soldiers (and sailors and airmen and women) who die leaving dependants and the ones who are terribly physically injured and need support forever, there are those who've developed mental illness as a result of their service and mentally they never really leave the battlefield. Lots of those with mental illness end up living on the streets. They have been failed generation after generation.

But hey, if remembering these people annoys you because some people wear the poppy as a status symbol, then you opt out. Never mind the millions who wear them as a show of support... you focus on the few airheads who think wearing a poppy gives them some status. And when you do choose not to wear a poppy, remember that it's the British Forces who've fought for your freedom to turn your backs on them.

THIS^.I wear a poppy,not because I want to be looked on as kind etc,I wear one as I am proud of our soldiers ,the same as I wear a yellow daffodil for the McMillan nurses and ribbons for cancer,I'de like to think that a show of support may encourage others to support charities too. It's easy to blame the government for everything,but sometimes it doesn't hurt ( or maybe it does)to have a good look at ourselves.

[Amy Jade]

I have a poppy on my coat, not so people think I am amazing or caring, it's because in my mind we live as good a life as we do because so many sacrificed themselves for us - I don't judge those who do not wear one but I know people who think they're too tacky to wear, that I do judge.

[Livia]

I donate money. Wearing a plastic poppy is not going to fix any of those problems, they do nothing, it's the money that matters. I do not need to wear a poppy to respect the armed forces, I don't feel the need to show off to other people and if they judge me for that then they need a hobby.

Good for you Dezzy, you donate and you choose not to wear a poppy. That's your choice. However, I have never known anyone who wears a poppy as a status symbol despite all my years with attachments to the British Army in one form or another. Most people wear them with pride. I hope I never encounter the people to whom you refer.

The government should commit a certain level of funding which matches/exceeds that raised by the charity, then as the charity is phased out, the government funding takes up the slack

That's never going to happen, is it. While they're still having to go out and shake a tin cup for Great Ormond Street Hospital for Sick Children, the government ensuring our troops get the care they deserve is never going to be a priority. So that being the case, we have to step up and support them ourselves.

[kirklancaster]

I wholeheartedly agree with Livia and Kaz.

There may be a small element of society who DO wear a poppy as some sort of 'Status Symbol' but that is no more a reason for the rest of us to justify NOT wearing one, than it is to disown the flag of St George because the thuggish National Front or some other sicko extremist faction has adopted it for their own nefarious purposes.

While it is always commendable to donate to our ex-servicemen's charities, in these troubled times, when our very existence as a nation is under threat - from within as well as from without - and when our own politicians are seeking to further decimate our threadbare armed forces and leave us even more defencless, and when more vitriol is levelled against our military than it is against the evil terrorists who they are risking life and limb to defend us against, it is NOW more than ever, highly essential to actually put our support for our armed service boys and girls on PUBLIC display and to 'Stand Up and Be Counted'.

Whenever the Right Wing Extremists march and protest, the intelligent among us KNOW that they are a minority and that the vast silent majority of the British are not xenophobic, racist thugs.Whenever British Muslim fanatics parade their support for ISIS on our streets, we KNOW that they are in a minority, and that the vast silent majority of British Muslims are peace-loving moderates who are proud to be British.

But how much more satisfying would it be, and how much of a kick-in-the-teeth for such extremists if that majority STOPPED being silent and SHOUTED their support for what they believed in - even if it was only by the wearing of a little emblem which silently, historically, but categorically is universally recognised.

So, I will continue to - both donate - and wear my poppy with pride.

[Lostie!]

I donate money to the charity but I refuse to wear a poppy, It's a symbol that's become less about remembering the dead and more about saying 'Oh, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy, aren't I wonderful and kind?' and belittling anyone who doesn't think the same. Every time someone on Facebook shares a picture of a poppy with the caption 'THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN OWN X AMOUNT OF TIMES, SHARE THE HELL OUT OF IT' I die a little inside.

I like poppies and what they stand for, but I simply hate people for turning them into a self absorbed status symbol.

Spot on. :clap1:

The self-righteousness of some people about it is ridiculous.

Also, she might want to remember her trysts with gangsters, extramarital affair and 5 abortions before judging others simply for not wearing a poppy. I know which I think is worse. :idc:

[Livia]

Spot on. :clap1:

The self-righteousness of some people about it is ridiculous.

Also, she might want to remember her trysts with gangsters, extramarital affair and 5 abortions before judging others simply for not wearing a poppy. I know which I think is worse. :idc:

What the hell has Barbara Windsor's abortions got to do with supporting our troops. What's it got to do with anything, come to that? What's even more self-righteous is to choose not to support our troops because some celebrity has pissed you off.

[Lostie!]

What the hell has Barbara Windsor's abortions got to do with supporting our troops.What's it got to do with anything, come to that? What's even more self-righteous is to choose not to support our troops because some celebrity has pissed you off.

Um, you're someone I've always respected and gotten along with fine so I'd appreciate it if you wound your neck in and didn't bite my head off for posting my viewpoint. Especially if you're going to completely twist my words to suit whatever agenda it is your pushing.

Where in my post did I even suggest I "choose not to support troops". Please do find evidence of that because that's a really bloody insulting assumption to make with no evidence.

As for me referencing her past, my whole point is that it's ridiculous to make such a harsh judgement on someone for not wearing a poppy (and yes, the suggestion that people don't care about the troops if they don't wear a poppy is moronic) when you're hardly Mother Theresa. I have no qualms with judging someone who chooses to judge me.

Gosh, I always had you down as someone to have rational and respectful debate with and capable of having a debate without flying off the handle. We all make mistakes, I suppose.

[JoshBB]

Nobody should be forced to wear a symbol of any kind. No matter what it represents.

[Livia]

Um, you're someone I've always respected and gotten along with fine so I'd appreciate it if you wound your neck in and didn't bite my head off for posting my viewpoint. Especially if you're going to completely twist my words to suit whatever agenda it is your pushing.

Where in my post did I even suggest I "choose not to support troops". Please do find evidence of that because that's a really bloody insulting assumption to make with no evidence.

As for me referencing her past, my whole point is that it's ridiculous to make such a harsh judgement on someone for not wearing a poppy (and yes, the suggestion that people don't care about the troops if they don't wear a poppy is moronic) when you're hardly Mother Theresa. I have no qualms with judging someone who chooses to judge me.

Gosh, I always had you down as someone to have rational and respectful debate with. We all make mistakes, I suppose.


I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

[Livia]

Nobody should be forced to wear a symbol of any kind. No matter what it represents.

Weren't you wearing a white poppy last year? Didn't mind wearing that particular symbol, did you Josh.

[MB.]

Because he wasn't forced to wear it?

[Livia]

Because he wasn't forced to wear it?

And who is "forced" to wear a red poppy?

No one.

[Amy Jade]

Liv I'm so sorry :hug:

[kirklancaster]

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[MB.]

(I don't see what relevance Josh wearing a white poppy (as long as he wasn't 'forcing' it upon others) has to his point as much as Barbara Windsor's abortions have no relevance to supporting our troops but that's something to agree to disagree on)

[Livia]

Liv I'm so sorry :hug:

Thanks AJ... this is a not a good subject for me especially as its the anniversary this week of losing him. I apologise if I've upset anyone... I didn't mean to it's just a bad reaction to this subject.

I'll leave this thread so others can discuss it without me putting a cloud over it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And who is "forced" to wear a red poppy?

No one.

Staff on TV at the BBC are

[Niamh.]

Thanks AJ... this is a not a good subject for me especially as its the anniversary this week of losing him. I apologise if I've upset anyone... I didn't mean to it's just a bad reaction to this subject.

I'll leave this thread so others can discuss it without me putting a cloud over it.

:hug:

[Lostie!]

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

And you saw no mention of me "choosing not to support them because a celebrity pissed me off" either.

And no, feeling strongly about wearing a poppy and judging others for not are two separate things. I was annoyed by the latter.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

Well that's a real shame considering all I did was share my view (which, in any mature discussion at least, in no way warrants personal attacks and assumptions). We're here to discuss the topic, not each other and I have every right to put my two cents in without unfounded judgements on my character.

But anyway, we're not going to get anywhere. I'm a nasty evil person because I don't wear a poppy and you had every right to get personal with me, I think that's the general gist. End of "discussion", I think.

[Livia]

Like I said Losie, this is a bad subject for me to be involved in right now. I apologise if you were offended by my post, I am leaving this thread to allow people to discuss it without me overreacting.

[the truth]

we got rid of all the military hospitals? the US has over 500...we just give them a gold star and a badge and don't even pay them a tidy pension. we patronise the hell out of our brave soldiers but don't look after them...they cant live on false praise and poppies

[the truth]

Like I said Losie, this is a bad subject for me to be involved in right now. I apologise if you were offended by my post, I am leaving this thread to allow people to discuss it without me overreacting.

My sincere condolences at this difficult time

[Suze]

I agree. I always donate but never wear one.

Same here, although I might take a sticker and stick it on living room wall.

[user104658]

Toy Soldier: "Sod Off" If you're Barbara Windsor.


I'd wear one if they made them a bit more fablus, maybe brought back the metal pins and made the poppy leaves out of a nice red leather.

But aint nobody gon' tell TS to wear plastic. PLASTIC. Nuh-uh. Nuh-UH :nono:

[DemolitionRed]

My great grandfather was killed in the battle of the Somme and my grandfather was killed in the Normandy landing.

I wear a poppy to show my respect.

[AnnieK]

Both my grandfathers served in the Second World War and one was a prisoner of war and the other lost 2 brothers in the fighting so I wear a poppy with pride as a mark of respect to those who have served. I don't care why people think I may be wearing it, that is their problem not mine. I don't judge anyone who doesn't wear one. What I do hate though is people who make a show of burning poppies / destroying poppy wreaths which has happened increasingly lately.

[Marsh.]

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

My god, I can't imagine going through that.

Hope you're keeping up ok. :hug:

[kirklancaster]

Like I said Losie, this is a bad subject for me to be involved in right now. I apologise if you were offended by my post, I am leaving this thread to allow people to discuss it without me overreacting.

You were already gracious in apologising once Liv - I really do not believe that you should be apologising twice.

Our hearts genuinely go out to you Liv, because even the most balanced and stoic of us can be forgiven for being human at such a painful time as this.

:kiss:

[kirklancaster]

My great grandfather was killed in the battle of the Somme and my grandfather was killed in the Normandy landing.

I wear a poppy to show my respect.

Quote = AnnieK Both my grandfathers served in the Second World War and one was a prisoner of war and the other lost 2 brothers in the fighting so I wear a poppy with pride as a mark of respect to those who have served. I don't care why people think I may be wearing it, that is their problem not mine. I don't judge anyone who doesn't wear one. What I do hate though is people who make a show of burning poppies / destroying poppy wreaths which has happened increasingly lately.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Respect to both of you.

[JoshBB]

Weren't you wearing a white poppy last year? Didn't mind wearing that particular symbol, did you Josh.

I didn't wear any poppy as I never passed anyone selling them, but the point still stands that it's about choice.

[Amy Jade]

Toy Soldier: "Sod Off" If you're Barbara Windsor.


I'd wear one if they made them a bit more fablus, maybe brought back the metal pins and made the poppy leaves out of a nice red leather.

But aint nobody gon' tell TS to wear plastic. PLASTIC. Nuh-uh. Nuh-UH :nono:

Wow...

[Kizzy]

I thought the poppy was a symbol... regardless of whether you could afford to donate or not, that 'lest we forget' and all that?
It's not simply a marketing gimmick.

[Johnnyuk123]

If i choose to donate to charity i do so of my own accord and in my own time so for me.....
I would ban all charities from standing outside supermarket entrances shaking their tins at you to guilt you into donating. It's on a par with being mugged and I hate that too!:fist::fist::fist:

[user104658]

Wow...

I know. I'm really something. Go on, take a few minutes; take it all in...

[DemolitionRed]

Both my grandfathers served in the Second World War and one was a prisoner of war and the other lost 2 brothers in the fighting so I wear a poppy with pride as a mark of respect to those who have served. I don't care why people think I may be wearing it, that is their problem not mine. I don't judge anyone who doesn't wear one. What I do hate though is people who make a show of burning poppies / destroying poppy wreaths which has happened increasingly lately.

I didn't know about this :sad:

[DemolitionRed]

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

You and me pass a lot of snipe back and forth but when I read this, my heart goes out to you. I'm so sorry you had to suffer through this tragedy Livia and I genuinely understand why a topic like this one could potentially be so hurtful to you.

Back to sniping tomorrow mind :tongue:

[Kizzy]

Whenever things affect you personally they become more real, whether Macmillan nurses or great Ormond street, we all respect the causes without question but we have a chosen charity that has touched us personally in the main.

[empire]

babs is right, but what makes me mad is that there are places that ban it from being worn because it offends people, talk about bending over backwards to people who hate this country.

[Nedusa]

More and more people especially younger people are refusing to wear the red poppy. They cite many reasons from the mass marketing " society insists you wear one" to the newer ideas of wearing the poppy supports our involvement in illegal wars.

I however wouldn't care about any of those reasons, as put simply buying and wearing a red poppy raises money for our ex soldiers and the families of soldiers who need our support after the sacrifices they have made to keep us safe in our beds.

Wearing a little red poppy for a couple of weeks is actually the least I can do to say thank you ....

[kirklancaster]

More and more people especially younger people are refusing to wear the red poppy. They cite many reasons from the mass marketing " society insists you wear one" to the newer ideas of wearing the poppy supports our involvement in illegal wars.

I however wouldn't care about any of those reasons, as put simply buying and wearing a red poppy raises money for our ex soldiers and the families of soldiers who need our support after the sacrifices they have made to keep us safe in our beds.

Wearing a little red poppy for a couple of weeks is actually the least I can do to say thank you ....

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Tom4784]

babs is right, but what makes me mad is that there are places that ban it from being worn because it offends people, talk about bending over backwards to people who hate this country.

Where? Give me examples of places that ban poppies.

[arista]

babs is right, but what makes me mad is that there are places that ban it from being worn because it offends people, talk about bending over backwards to people who hate this country.


She is Not

I respect the Troops

But Never Have a Poppy

[Kizzy]

More and more people especially younger people are refusing to wear the red poppy. They cite many reasons from the mass marketing " society insists you wear one" to the newer ideas of wearing the poppy supports our involvement in illegal wars.

I however wouldn't care about any of those reasons, as put simply buying and wearing a red poppy raises money for our ex soldiers and the families of soldiers who need our support after the sacrifices they have made to keep us safe in our beds.

Wearing a little red poppy for a couple of weeks is actually the least I can do to say thank you ....

The least people could do would be to not elect a govt that subjects disabled ex servicemen to bedroom tax to be fair.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I buy one but dont wear it