Would you choose to live in a Country that you hate?

[Johnnyuk123]

Would you choose to live in a Country that you actually hate? :shrug:

[JoshBB]

Usually because they were born there or family ties I guess

[Johnnyuk123]

Regardless of whether i was born in one country if i did actually hate that country i would leave it and go to a country that i love.

[Cherie]

Regardless of whether i was born in one country if i did actually hate that country i would leave it and go to a country that i love.

Would you? What if you had a wife and family that wouldn't leave

[Johnnyuk123]

Lets say i was Italian and lived in France but hated living there. I would move to Italy.

[Johnnyuk123]

Would you? What if you had a wife and family that wouldn't leave

I would wave them goodbye at the airport.:wavey:

[Cherie]

Lets say i was Italian and lived in France but hated living there. I would move to Italy.


What if there was no work in Italy, but there was in France

[Johnnyuk123]

What if there was no work in Italy, but there was in France

I would still be happy to be in a country that i love rather than one that i hated.

[Cherie]

I would wave them goodbye at the airport.:wavey:

:umm2: okay back in the real world where a lot of men don't want to dump their wives and children on a whim..

[Cherie]

I would still be happy to be in a country that i love rather than one that i hated.

How would you put food on the table with no job?

[Johnnyuk123]

:umm2: okay back in the real world where a lot of men don't want to dump their wives and children on a whim..

No we are talking about personal belief here. If someone really hated where they lived regardless of family don't they have the right to move to a place that they love where they can feel free and be themselves?

[Johnnyuk123]

How would you put food on the table with no job?

People do put food on the table without holding down jobs. The point you are trying to make to me does not make sense because basically you are saying that people who live in a country they actually hate cannot move to a country they love unless they have a job to go too.

[Cherie]

No we are talking about personal belief here. If someone really hated where they lived regardless of family don't they have the right to move to a place that they love where they can feel free and be themselves?

Yes if they are free and single, no if they have family responsibilities as it has to be a family decision.

[Johnnyuk123]

Yes if they are free and single, no if they have family responsibilities as it has to be a family decision.

In your opinion yes. But what your opinion is is not the opinion of others and others with families.

[Cherie]

People do put food on the table without holding down jobs. The point you are trying to make to me does not make sense because basically you are saying that people who live in a country they actually hate cannot move to a country they love unless they have a job to go too.

Okay so say you move to Italy and you have no job to go to, apart from savings how do you plan to survive and put a roof over your head in the future?

[Cherie]

In your opinion yes. But what your opinion is is not the opinion of others and others with families.

I can only give you my opinion I don't know any one else's :laugh:

[Johnnyuk123]

I can only give you my opinion I don't know any one else's :laugh:

If you could simply respond with an answer to my original post i would appreciate it.:wavey:

[Liam-]

For some people living in a country they hate is sometimes a better option than living in the country they were born in.

[Cherie]

If you could simply respond with an answer to my original post i would appreciate it.:wavey:

People stay in situations they hate for all sorts of reasons, jobs, family, laziness, better the devil you know, money.

[Johnnyuk123]

For some people living in a country they hate is sometimes a better option than living in the country they were born in.

Thats a bit like saying i would rather be forced to eat meat even though i am 100% vegetarian.:joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

People stay in situations they hate for all sorts of reasons, jobs, family, laziness, better the devil you know, money.

But my OP question is not about that.

[Cherie]

But my OP question is not about that.

You will need to be less cryptic then ,please explain what you mean?

[Johnnyuk123]

Ok to clarify here is my question again...
Q:Would you choose to live in a Country that you hate? Yes or no?

[Cherie]

Ok to clarify here is my question again...
Q:Would you choose to live in a Country that you hate? Yes or no?

No I wouldn't choose to

[Marsh.]

Regardless of whether i was born in one country if i did actually hate that country i would leave it and go to a country that i love.

Life isn't really that simple though.

You can't just pack a bag and go to another country. :laugh:

[Cherie]

Life isn't really that simple though.

You can't just pack a bag and go to another country. :laugh:

I might need a visa :worry:

[Johnnyuk123]

No I wouldn't choose to

Thanks. :wavey:

[Cherie]

Thanks. :wavey:

You are welcome

[Marsh.]

No we are talking about personal belief here. If someone really hated where they lived regardless of family don't they have the right to move to a place that they love where they can feel free and be themselves?

"Regardless of family"???

Well, if it's a person who wants to move to another place that they love and set up a new life in another country I would hope they came to that conclusion BEFORE settling down with a spouse and kids.

If they have kids, then no they've given up the right to "do what they like on a whim and feel free". Being a parent involves a degree of selflessness.

[Johnnyuk123]

"Regardless of family"???

Well, if it's a person who wants to move to another place that they love and set up a new life in another country I would hope they came to that conclusion BEFORE settling down with a spouse and kids.

If they have kids, then no they've given up the right to "do what they like on a whim and feel free". Being a parent involves a degree of selflessness.

I think all those single one parent families around the world would disagree with you on that. But in a perfect world yes but sadly the world is not perfect.

[Marsh.]

I think all those single one parent families around the world would disagree with you on that. But in a perfect world yes but sadly the world is not perfect.

Disagree with me on what?

Yes, there are terrible people in the world who abandon their kids, your point?

[Johnnyuk123]

I actually know someone who was so unhappy here and he has family here but he needed to leave this country because he was so unhappy. He took that step and moved to NewZealand. He's been there now over 10yrs and is very happy.

[DemolitionRed]

No we are talking about personal belief here. If someone really hated where they lived regardless of family don't they have the right to move to a place that they love where they can feel free and be themselves?

I guess that's how the immigrants who land on our shores feel. Here's hoping you would be better accepted than they are. :whistle:

[Johnnyuk123]

Disagree with me on what?

Yes, there are terrible people in the world who abandon their kids, your point?

My point is that those single parents who's spouse has left them and the country will not agree with you.

[Marsh.]

I actually know someone who was so unhappy here and he has family here but he needed to leave this country because he was so unhappy. He took that step and moved to NewZealand. He's been there now over 10yrs and is very happy.

So?

Not everybody has that luxury. And not everybody would want to start a brand new life elsewhere.

[Johnnyuk123]

So?

Not everybody has that luxury. And not everybody would want to start a brand new life elsewhere.

My OP is a simple question. It's a yes or now.

[Marsh.]

My point is that those single parents who's spouse has left them and the country will not agree with you.

So?

As I said earlier, those people don't have the "right" to think of only themselves and their own happiness. That was my point.

It's selfish of them, they should've thought about what direction they wanted their life to go in BEFORE having kids and then burdening someone else with the responsibility of raising them.

[Johnnyuk123]

So?

As I said earlier, those people don't have the "right" to think of only themselves and their own happiness. That was my point.

It's selfish of them, they should've thought about what direction they wanted their life to go in BEFORE having kids and then burdening someone else with the responsibility of raising them.

I agree with you 100% but people still do that.

[Marsh.]

My OP is a simple question.

No it isn't.

It's not simple in the slightest.

[Marsh.]

I agree with you 100% but people still do that.

Yeah, that doesn't make it right.

[Cherie]

My OP is a simple question. It's a yes or now.

You need to change the word "why" in the OP as it is confusing

[Johnnyuk123]

Yeah, that doesn't make it right.

If they have family i do get your point but they still do it regardless. But my OP is not asking if you have family or if your single etc it simply asks if you would move to a country that you love.

[Johnnyuk123]

You need to change the word "why" in the OP as it is confusing

Cherie i do not use the word WHY in my OP.

[Marsh.]

If they have family i do get your point but they still do it regardless. But my OP is not asking if you have family or if your single etc it simply asks if you would move to a country that you love.

No it doesn't. :conf:

It asks...

Why do people choose to live in a Country that they actually hate?

Which is a very complex question and not simple in the slightest. :shrug:

[Johnnyuk123]

No it doesn't. :conf:

It asks...



Which is a very complex question and not simple in the slightest. :shrug:

I was just about to fix that but you know what i mean.:joker:

[DemolitionRed]

Life isn't really that simple though.

You can't just pack a bag and go to another country. :laugh:

Why not? If that country has visa restrictions then its going to take a lot more planning but what's to stop a single person or childless couple packing a bag and heading off to Europe?

I've lived in France, Italy and the US. France was easy because of my French relatives and the US was easy because I had friends but I was 18 when I went back packing around Europe and ended up living and working in Trieste (Italy) for a year.

[Cherie]

Cherie i do not use the word WHY in my OP.

Not in the title, but in the OP hence all the confusion :laugh:

[Johnnyuk123]

No it doesn't. :conf:

It asks...



Which is a very complex question and not simple in the slightest. :shrug:

I didn't say ACTUALLY. :joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

Not in the title, but in the OP hence all the confusion :laugh:

Well tbh you did answer my OP so i'm happy.:wavey:

[Cherie]

Why not? If that country has visa restrictions then its going to take a lot more planning but what's to stop a single person or childless couple packing a bag and heading off to Europe?

I've lived in France, Italy and the US. France was easy because of my French relatives and the US was easy because I had friends but I was 18 when I went back packing around Europe and ended up living and working in Trieste (Italy) for a year.

It can be done but obviously if you have kids it needs planning, and you need to know you can support them

[Marsh.]

Why not? If that country has visa restrictions then its going to take a lot more planning but what's to stop a single person or childless couple packing a bag and heading off to Europe?

I've lived in France, Italy and the US. France was easy because of my French relatives and the US was easy because I had friends but I was 18 when I went back packing around Europe and ended up living and working in Trieste (Italy) for a year.

Because, as I said, life isn't that simple.

For a teenager on a gap year maybe, but it's quite a broad question being asked in the OP. The majority of people will have baggage/barriers in the way.

Not many people can turn a backpacking trip into a brand new permanent life in a new country.

I never said it was impossible, I said it's not simple. And it isn't.

[Johnnyuk123]

It can be done but obviously if you have kids it needs planning, and you need to know you can support them

But Cherie there are many people who leave their family behind and just leave the country. If only they cared enough to think about their children.

[Johnnyuk123]

My friend who left for New Zealand left behind all of his family and parents and siblings. He upset them all for sure but i do understand why he did it after talking with him at length. He remains intouch online and he is back on speaking terms with his family and children now.

[Marsh.]

And what was the reason for him leaving his children for New Zealand?

[Johnnyuk123]

And what was the reason for him leaving his children for New Zealand?

He had lots of reasons Marsh. Wife was about to divorce him and threatened him saying he would not get access to his kids etc, At that time and the state that he was in he simply wanted a fresh start. There is a lot more to why he left that i won't go into but it was not a selfish act on his part.

[Cherie]

But Cherie there are many people who leave their family behind and just leave the country. If only they cared enough to think about their children.

Not everyone can do commitment Unfortunately Johnny

[Johnnyuk123]

Not everyone can do commitment Unfortunately Johnny

Thats true. not many can cope with commitment.

[bots]

i've lived in several different countries over the years. Never hated any of them. Places do not define happiness or "hate". The experience you have is purely related to the people you are with at the moment in time that you are there.

[Johnnyuk123]

i've lived in several different countries over the years. Never hated any of them. Places do not define happiness or "hate". The experience you have is purely related to the people you are with at the moment in time that you are there.

I am not defining anything. It's a simple question. Yes or no.:wavey:

[Marsh.]

*taps foot waiting for the OP to be edited* :hmph:

[Johnnyuk123]

*taps foot waiting for the OP to be edited* :hmph:

It doesn't need editing.:nono:

[Johnnyuk123]

If i said... would you choose to eat eggs if you hated eggs. Would that need editing?

[Marsh.]

No, not your title. Your OP.

You're asking two different things.

[Johnnyuk123]

No, not your title. Your OP.

You're asking two different things.

Ok i've corrected it.:wavey:

[joeysteele]

No.

[Ammi]

....I don't think that I would move because I 'hated' something but rather that I was moving because I loved something else/somewhere else and felt that, that was the place that my heart felt was right for me...for me, the place where the people I love most in the world are is the right place, regardless of which country that is...

[RichardG]

I read a great post online a while back. This guy hated everything about the UK. Hated his job, hated the weather, hated walking home at night having to avoid the scary hooded teenagers, hated the tv, hated the politics etc etc and eventually managed to move to Canada, a move that thought would totally change his life for the better!! After a couple of months he realised that he was working the same job over there but with less days holiday a year, the weather was even colder, scary looking people existed on street corners at night there too and the tv was just as awful and concluded that life is miserable everywhere :laugh: ...but he at least had family and friends in the UK so he moved back after a year.

He put it much better than I did but it kinda sums up my thoughts I guess, assuming we lived in a world where you actually could move wherever you want with no legal/visa issues then I'd only move because there was something about the other country that I really really liked as opposed to something about my own that I really hated.

[kirklancaster]

How old were his kids Johnny?

I cannot envisage ANY genuine family man leaving his young children - no matter what the situation is with his wife. If the kids are all grown up, fled the nest and started their own lives, then, that may be another matter.

[kirklancaster]

I read a great post online a while back. This guy hated everything about the UK. Hated his job, hated the weather, hated walking home at night having to avoid the scary hooded teenagers, hated the tv, hated the politics etc etc and eventually managed to move to Canada, a move that thought would totally change his life for the better!! After a couple of months he realised that he was working the same job over there but with less days holiday a year, the weather was even colder, scary looking people existed on street corners at night there too and the tv was just as awful and concluded that life is miserable everywhere :laugh: ...but he at least had family and friends in the UK so he moved back after a year.

He put it much better than I did but it kinda sums up my thoughts I guess, assuming we lived in a world where you actually could move wherever you want with no legal/visa issues then I'd only move because there was something about the other country that I really really liked as opposed to something about my own that I really hated.

:laugh: 'The grass is always greener' uh Richard?.

This is the thing with holidays; we spend exciting, exhilarating weeks of our lives on holiday in foreign countries, and we succumb to the warmer climes, the strange architecture, the exotic cuisine and the language and people. It's heaven, paradise.

To we visitors who are holidaying, it is paradise, but to the people who actually live there it is merely the place where they live, and as familiar and mundane as Luton, Sheffield or Manchester is to us.

[Ammi]

I read a great post online a while back. This guy hated everything about the UK. Hated his job, hated the weather, hated walking home at night having to avoid the scary hooded teenagers, hated the tv, hated the politics etc etc and eventually managed to move to Canada, a move that thought would totally change his life for the better!! After a couple of months he realised that he was working the same job over there but with less days holiday a year, the weather was even colder, scary looking people existed on street corners at night there too and the tv was just as awful and concluded that life is miserable everywhere :laugh: ...but he at least had family and friends in the UK so he moved back after a year.

He put it much better than I did but it kinda sums up my thoughts I guess, assuming we lived in a world where you actually could move wherever you want with no legal/visa issues then I'd only move because there was something about the other country that I really really liked as opposed to something about my own that I really hated.

..yeah, I guess it's a personal thing but that's what I feel as well, it's something that I would do for a positive and more going towards something/than moving away from, which is more of a negative.../still though, moving away from a negative can take you toward that positive and be perfect for someone..so good or bad/positive or negative..every 'reason' has a path and every path leads you...

[Ashley.]

No, why would I put myself through that when I can easily just not live there? :shrug:

[DemolitionRed]

Because, as I said, life isn't that simple.

For a teenager on a gap year maybe, but it's quite a broad question being asked in the OP. The majority of people will have baggage/barriers in the way.

Not many people can turn a backpacking trip into a brand new permanent life in a new country.

I never said it was impossible, I said it's not simple. And it isn't.

My husbands parents are artists and decided on a whim that they'd go and live on a hippy commune in Spain. Three small children, my husband being the eldest who had just started school, were packed in a van along with the canvases and water colours and set out on a new adventure that was to last eight years. The kids were home schooled (mother was a school teacher) and lived with their parents in a troglodyte in Andalusia.

He always speaks about his wonderful young childhood right up to the point of coming back to the UK where he and his sister and brother found it extremely difficult to fit into a conventional school. For him, the east end of London was a grim place in comparison to what he'd been used to.

In his case, moving to a new country at the age of four wasn't a problem but moving to a new country at the age of 12 caused some massive problems in his young life.

So no, people need to consider the implications and it very much depends on the children's age and what stage of schooling they are going through.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, I can't imagine home schooling the kids and settling them down was very easy/simple at all.

But that's all my point is, it aint simple.

[Niamh.]

He had lots of reasons Marsh. Wife was about to divorce him and threatened him saying he would not get access to his kids etc, At that time and the state that he was in he simply wanted a fresh start. There is a lot more to why he left that i won't go into but it was not a selfish act on his part.

I wonder if his children will agree with you when they grow up without a dad in their lives :think: The wife can threaten him with no access to his kids all she likes, the courts however would not let her do that without very good reason

[Niamh.]

i've lived in several different countries over the years. Never hated any of them. Places do not define happiness or "hate". The experience you have is purely related to the people you are with at the moment in time that you are there.

I agree with that

[DemolitionRed]

i've lived in several different countries over the years. Never hated any of them. Places do not define happiness or "hate". The experience you have is purely related to the people you are with at the moment in time that you are there.

Best answer of the day :cheer:

[Marsh.]

I wonder if his children will agree with you when they grow up without a dad in their lives :think: The wife can threaten him with no access to his kids all she likes, the courts however would not let her do that without very good reason

Yeah and, obviously I don't know all of the facts of this situation, but I can't imagine moving across the world will help his case when it comes to access to his children. So it seems an odd move. :shrug:

[lostalex]

Most countries are big enough that even if you hate the town you live in, you can find some place in the country that you like, and have people that are like minded and you can have a good life. I guess that would be much more difficult in a very tiny country like an island or something though.

[kirklancaster]

Most countries are big enough that even if you hate the town you live in, you can find some place in the country that you like, and have people that are like minded and you can have a good life. I guess that would be much more difficult in a very tiny country like an island or something though.

I agree with this Alex.