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Denver
06-11-2015, 05:13 PM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6728860/Teen-girl-raped-by-five-Syrian-migrants.html

4 Youths claiming to be under 18 have been arrested 2 were charged with rape the other 2 were not charged.

They arrived in the country with no documents and claimed to be under 18.

We allow them in our country and they act like this.

Cherie
06-11-2015, 05:46 PM
If found guilty lets hope they are deported tout suite, and the person who placed them in a centre with vulnerable adults is sacked.

Amy Jade
06-11-2015, 05:48 PM
Should have never let them in, I suspect we will be seeing stories like this really often from now on

smudgie
06-11-2015, 05:57 PM
A blood test confirming the age of these so called under 18 s would come in handy.
There was a fella on the news claiming to be 14 a few weeks ago, he didn't look a day younger than 24.
Someone's head needs to roll for this, in carE for a reason...to be cared for one would assume:shrug:

JoshBB
06-11-2015, 05:59 PM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6728860/Teen-girl-raped-by-five-Syrian-migrants.html

4 Youths claiming to be under 18 have been arrested 2 were charged with rape the other 2 were not charged.

They arrived in the country with no documents and claimed to be under 18.

We allow them in our country and they act like this.

Should have never let them in, I suspect we will be seeing stories like this really often from now on


This is FIVE of them out of 20,000. Not representative. The Sun, funnily enough didn't want us to take on any migrants, I wonder why they would print this story...? :shrug::shrug:

Denver
06-11-2015, 06:00 PM
This is FIVE of them out of 20,000. Not representative. The Sun, funnily enough didn't want us to take on any migrants, I wonder why they would print this story...? :shrug::shrug:

So you think this is alright because its not all of them and the sun printed it?

Northern Monkey
06-11-2015, 06:13 PM
They're not migrants....They're refugees remember.
They need to realise that whatever they used to do in Syria.We don't behave like that over here.Send them straight back there.

kirklancaster
06-11-2015, 06:17 PM
I better say nothing.

arista
06-11-2015, 06:22 PM
[She was attacked last weekend at a supervised care facility in Gillingham, Kent.]


Shocking

Crimson Dynamo
06-11-2015, 06:22 PM
reap

sow

Amy Jade
06-11-2015, 06:26 PM
This is FIVE of them out of 20,000. Not representative. The Sun, funnily enough didn't want us to take on any migrants, I wonder why they would print this story...? :shrug::shrug:

I don't care. Quite frankly it should be first strike and send them all back. I have very little time for any of this, we are in debt and our own are suffering to keep these people.

kirklancaster
06-11-2015, 06:28 PM
I don't care. Quite frankly it should be first strike and send them all back. I have very little time for any of this, we are in debt and our own are suffering to keep these people.

:worship:

kirklancaster
06-11-2015, 06:29 PM
reap

sow

:worship:

AnnieK
06-11-2015, 06:31 PM
This is FIVE of them out of 20,000. Not representative. The Sun, funnily enough didn't want us to take on any migrants, I wonder why they would print this story...? :shrug::shrug:

They have printed it as it is shocking news considering where it happened. And whilst not representative, this is just one case we have heard about, hopefully there won't be any more but for the sake of the victim it should be reported and hopefully she will get the help and care she needs now.

Denver
06-11-2015, 06:32 PM
I think they should be shipped back and given life long bans from the UK

Cherie
06-11-2015, 06:41 PM
Have they been found guilty?

Denver
06-11-2015, 06:44 PM
Have they been found guilty?

2 of them have been charged and will be in court on 20th November

Cherie
06-11-2015, 06:47 PM
2 of them have been charged and will be in court on 20th November

A lot of people are charged, doesn't mean they are guilty

Denver
06-11-2015, 06:49 PM
A lot of people are charged, doesn't mean they are guilty

Come on this girl has no reason to lie and why charge 2 and let 2 go?

Plus may I add that there I a possibility they are lying about there age and are actually older the 18

Denver
06-11-2015, 06:52 PM
Also blame has to go to the people in charge as they were aware the girl was vulnerable then make a bunch of migrants live with her.

Cherie
06-11-2015, 06:53 PM
Come on this girl has no reason to lie and why charge 2 and let 2 go?

Plus my I add that there I a possibility they are lying about there age and are actually older the 18

Why does the headline say 5 when it was 4 arrested and 2 were let go, It is possible they are guilty as sin but the facts are a bit sketchy to make any judgement

Cherie
06-11-2015, 06:54 PM
Also blame has to go to the people in charge as they were aware the girl was vulnerable then make a bunch of migrants live with her.

Now on this we can agree Adam!

Denver
06-11-2015, 06:54 PM
Why does the headline say 5 when it was 4 arrested and 2 were let go, It is possible they are guilty as sin but the facts are a bit sketchy to make any judgement

It's possible the 5th was not able to be found

Tom4784
06-11-2015, 06:58 PM
I'm disappointed by some people in this thread. Punish those involved but don't use this incident as a something to justify your casual racism.

JoshBB
06-11-2015, 07:03 PM
I don't care. Quite frankly it should be first strike and send them all back. I have very little time for any of this, we are in debt and our own are suffering to keep these people.

'Send them all back'

What a blatantly xenophobic comment to make? Lets just hope you never move abroad and that five english people don't rape a child there. Let's hope nobody makes the same generalisation that you just did that all of the syrian refugees pose a risk of raping young children.. honestly I can't believe the ignorance in what you said.

Denver
06-11-2015, 07:06 PM
'Send them all back'

What a blatantly xenophobic comment to make? Lets just hope you never move abroad and that five english people don't rape a child there. Let's hope nobody makes the same generalisation that you just did that all of the syrian refugees pose a risk of raping young children.. honestly I can't believe the ignorance in what you said.

If 5 English men did it in Syria they would be killed

JoshBB
06-11-2015, 07:08 PM
So you think this is alright because its not all of them and the sun printed it?

I think the crime that these five are alleged to have committed is absolutely horrific and if they are found guilty then all of them should be dealt with. But it is absolutely unfair to send back all of the syrian refugees we have taken on the basis of a crime they did not commit.

My reference to The Sun here was pointing out that they are a racist newspaper, whether it is clear at first glance or not. Throughout the 'migrant crisis' we have been seeing on the news, they have been printing constant opposition to us taking in refugees who flee war. If you have any doubts as to whether or not they are racist - you are free to take a look at Katie Hopkins' article for them where she described her view that we should use gunships on these people. Absolutely heartless.

JoshBB
06-11-2015, 07:12 PM
If 5 English men did it in Syria they would be killed

That's irrelevant. If five english men committed rape in syria, then those five english men should face the punishment there and them alone. Your comparison is illogical, because in this hypothetical situation they are not calling for all english people to be 'sent back'.. or in the case of Syria's preferred punishment, as you put it, would be killed.

But just to make it clear, I am not a supporter of the death penalty and I think it should be internationally outlawed on the basis that it infringes upon human rights.

Denver
06-11-2015, 07:13 PM
I think the crime that these five are alleged to have committed is absolutely horrific and if they are found guilty then all of them should be dealt with. But it is absolutely unfair to send back all of the syrian refugees we have taken on the basis of a crime they did not commit.

My reference to The Sun here was pointing out that they are a racist newspaper, whether it is clear at first glance or not. Throughout the 'migrant crisis' we have been seeing on the news, they have been printing constant opposition to us taking in refugees who flee war. If you have any doubts as to whether or not they are racist - you are free to take a look at Katie Hopkins' article for them where she described her view that we should use gunships on these people. Absolutely heartless.

This story has been picked up by a lot of newspapers not just The Sun.

My feeling is if we invite someone to our country and they commit any crime they should serve there sentence then move them back to there own country.

Tom4784
06-11-2015, 07:15 PM
If 5 English men did it in Syria they would be killed

That has nothing to do with the laws of the UK, it has nothing to do with the many Syrian refugees who just want to live in peace. Your point has no point.

Denver
06-11-2015, 07:17 PM
That has nothing to do with the laws of the UK, it has nothing to do with the many Syrian refugees who just want to live in peace. Your point has no point.

My point is immigrants who commit crimes in this country should be extradited and banned from ever coming back.

JoshBB
06-11-2015, 07:18 PM
This story has been picked up by a lot of newspapers not just The Sun.

My feeling is if we invite someone to our country and they commit any crime they should serve there sentence then move them back to there own country.

That's quite different from sending all syrian migrants back as a result of a crime only two men have been charged with. I'm glad your opinion has changed nonetheless.

Denver
06-11-2015, 07:20 PM
That's quite different from sending all syrian migrants back as a result of a crime only two men have been charged with. I'm glad your opinion has changed nonetheless.

That has always been my opinion I've not changed it.

Cherie
06-11-2015, 07:32 PM
It's possible the 5th was not able to be found

2 were charged and 2 were released so 5 did not commit rape :shrug:

Tom4784
06-11-2015, 07:35 PM
My point is immigrants who commit crimes in this country should be extradited and banned from ever coming back.

That's generally what happens anyway so i'm not sure why you're making out that it doesn't.

Denver
06-11-2015, 07:37 PM
2 were charged and 2 were released so 5 did not commit rape :shrug:

The police were told by the girl she thinks it was 5 men

Denver
06-11-2015, 07:37 PM
That's generally what happens anyway so i'm not sure why you're making out that it doesn't.

It doesn't

DemolitionRed
06-11-2015, 07:38 PM
'Send them all back'

What a blatantly xenophobic comment to make? Lets just hope you never move abroad and that five english people don't rape a child there. Let's hope nobody makes the same generalisation that you just did that all of the syrian refugees pose a risk of raping young children.. honestly I can't believe the ignorance in what you said.

Its not only tragic that people make comments like hers, its sickening.

What people need to realise is, these rapists didn't rape this girl because they are Syrian, they raped her because they are rapists.

Denver
06-11-2015, 07:41 PM
Its not only tragic that people make comments like hers, its sickening.

What people need to realise is, these rapists didn't rape this girl because they are Syrian, they raped her because they are rapists.

Yes but because there not British they should be sent out of the country and not allowed back.

We can't banned British rapist from there own country but we can ban rapists from other countries coming back.

Amy Jade
06-11-2015, 07:42 PM
Just thought I would point out the 'send them all back' comment was about the men involved not legitimate asylum seekers.

I am the furthest thing from racist nor xenophobic.

empire
06-11-2015, 07:42 PM
well this is what happens when, the left wing nutters want no borders, or nations too exist, there is a reason why we have borders, you must understand that women in the middle east are treated like cattle, or nothing but servants to there husbands, sexual harassment is rife in arab countries, arab men have a culture thinking that is not compatible too are way of life, would any british parent want there son or daughter to marry into a culture like that, no, my parents would never accept it, are leaders are so stupid, and can not see the amount of trouble that these people will cause, why are people in europe in revolt, and are heading to the right, well it was not an accident was it.

kirklancaster
06-11-2015, 07:46 PM
Just thought I would point out the 'send them all back' comment was about the men involved not legitimate asylum seekers.

I am the furthest thing from racist nor xenophobic.

You are beginning to sound like me Amy Jade. I KNOW what you meant anyway, which is what I applauded and why I applauded.

DemolitionRed
06-11-2015, 07:50 PM
Yes but because there not British they should be sent out of the country and not allowed back.

We can't banned British rapist from there own country but we can ban rapists from other countries coming back.

If someone gets caught for committing a crime in this country, they will serve their time in this country. At the end of their sentence, they may well be deported.

DemolitionRed
06-11-2015, 07:51 PM
Just thought I would point out the 'send them all back' comment was about the men involved not legitimate asylum seekers.

I am the furthest thing from racist nor xenophobic.

Thanks for clearing that one up. It was an easy mistake to make :blush:

Tom4784
06-11-2015, 07:53 PM
It doesn't

Oh, extradition is a myth then? Perhaps you should inform the courts about it, they've been operating under the assumption that it's something they can do for quite some time now.

Denver
06-11-2015, 07:54 PM
Oh, extradition is a myth then? Perhaps you should inform the courts about it, they've been operating under the assumption that it's something they can do for quite some time now.

Many foreign criminal are allowed to stay in the UK to recomitt

kirklancaster
06-11-2015, 08:01 PM
It doesn't


No - It doesn't Adam. You are correct:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538897/We-spend-35million-year-lock-Polish-criminals-jails-900-criminals-held-packed-prisons.html

THIS EVIL BASTARD:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/13/article-2538897-1B1BF866000005DC-417_306x423.jpg

TORTURED AND MURDERED THIS POOR LITTLE CHILD - HER OWN SON:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/13/article-2538897-04C8703B00000514-782_306x423.jpg

WITH HER 34 YEAR OLD SADISTIC BOYFRIEND MARIUSZ KREZOLEK WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN JAILED IN THIS COUNTRY THREE TIMES AND ARRESTED AT LEAST SIX TIMES BUT HAD NEVER BEEN PUT ON A PLANE BACK TO POLAND:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/27/article-0-1B1BF86E000005DC-529_306x423.jpg

Poles Mariusz Krezolek and Magdelena Luczak are serving life behind bars for the savage murder of her four-year-old son Daniel Pelka in Coventry.
The couple, who moved to Britain from Poland, tortured and killed Daniel in a campaign of cruelty that culminated in his death from a head injury in March 2012.

He died completely emaciated, locked in a cold room on a soiled mattress.
In horrific court testimony, it was revealed that Luczak, 28, and her 34-year-old partner Krezolek starved Daniel, force-fed him salt and held the child under water.

Sadistic Krezolek had already been jailed in this country three times and arrested at least six times for offences including assault and burglary. But despite his serial offending, he was never put on a plane back to Poland – leaving him free to kill Daniel.

In August last year, the couple were both sentenced to a minimum of 30 years, and are eligible for the compulsory prisoner transfer agreement.
Luczak’s term is one of the longest jail terms given to a woman in Britain, the same as child-killer Beverley Allitt and exceeded by only Rose West and Myra Hindley.

The cost of keeping Krezolek and Luczak locked up in a British jail is around £80,000 a year. If both serve their entire sentence here, the bill to the taxpayer will be a minimum of £2.4million.
Yesterday, it emerged they had been refused leave to appeal. Lawyers say they plan to continue their legal fight.

Amy Jade
06-11-2015, 08:16 PM
Thanks for clearing that one up. It was an easy mistake to make :blush:
I back read and I didn't make it clear but yeah legitimate people deserve help but the ones who come over and commit crimes I think they should be sent back, all of them.

user104658
06-11-2015, 08:28 PM
Still think this forum desperately needs a "backpedaling" gif.

http://trollswithwoodenspoons.com/images/smilies/backpeddling.gif

Ninastar
06-11-2015, 08:36 PM
disgusting. If its true, send the guilty ones back.

DemolitionRed
06-11-2015, 08:37 PM
That case is still fresh on my mind. This child was systematically tortured over a period of months before he died. He was also badly let down by the social services and he was especially let down by his school who had been told that Daniel had an eating disorder. Teachers found him climbing on cupboards and scavenging through rubbish bins to get food. He was nearly 5 years old and only weighed 1st 9lbs ffs? This child regularly arrived at school with bruises and even black eyes and yet despite the schools suspicions, they did nothing.

They killed a poor wee helpless child in this country. They committed murder in this country, so why the hell would we put them on a plane and send them back to Poland?

Denver
06-11-2015, 08:39 PM
That case is still fresh on my mind. This child was systematically tortured over a period of months before he died. He was also badly let down by the social services and he was especially let down by his school who had been told that Daniel had an eating disorder. Teachers found him climbing on cupboards and scavenging through rubbish bins to get food. He was nearly 5 years old and only weighed 1st 9lbs ffs? This child regularly arrived at school with bruises and even black eyes and yet despite the schools suspicions, they did nothing.

They killed a poor wee helpless child in this country. They committed murder in this country, so why the hell would we put them on a plane and send them back to Poland?


That post was referring to the facts criminals are allowed to stay in this country as the man had a history of being in prison.

user104658
06-11-2015, 08:41 PM
That case is still fresh on my mind. This child was systematically tortured over a period of months before he died. He was also badly let down by the social services and he was especially let down by his school who had been told that Daniel had an eating disorder. Teachers found him climbing on cupboards and scavenging through rubbish bins to get food. He was nearly 5 years old and only weighed 1st 9lbs ffs? This child regularly arrived at school with bruises and even black eyes and yet despite the schools suspicions, they did nothing.

They killed a poor wee helpless child in this country. They committed murder in this country

Reading this, with the bolded part, you could easily be talking about the school.

bots
06-11-2015, 08:45 PM
One of the reasons we are a democracy is because everyone is entitled to a fair trial, no matter their colour, creed or country of origin.

If they are proven guilty, by all means deport them. Two have not however, and they join the thousands of other law abiding refugees (again, they are law abiding until proven otherwise).

I'm no PC spokesman as many of you know, but people living in our country do have rights, and they should be upheld, no matter their origin.

DemolitionRed
06-11-2015, 09:17 PM
Reading this, with the bolded part, you could easily be talking about the school.

Yes it could, because you didn't quote my whole paragraph which also said,
"They killed a poor wee helpless child in this country. They committed murder in this country, so why the hell would we put them on a plane and send them back to Poland?"


I think that was clear enough.

user104658
06-11-2015, 09:19 PM
Yes it could, because you didn't quote my whole paragraph which also said,
"They killed a poor wee helpless child in this country. They committed murder in this country, so why the hell would we put them on a plane and send them back to Poland?"


I think that was clear enough.

Hmm. I was saying that, in my opinion, it would be quite right to say it about the school. Obviously the mother and boyfriend were primarily responsible for causing his death, but those others who were supposed to be looking out for him - I feel - are also criminally responsible.

DemolitionRed
06-11-2015, 09:20 PM
That post was referring to the facts criminals are allowed to stay in this country as the man had a history of being in prison.

and what my post was saying is, if you commit murder in this country, expect to be punished under the full arm of the law in this country.

They have been appealing to be sent back to Poland. I doubt they will win that appeal.

kirklancaster
06-11-2015, 09:22 PM
That case is still fresh on my mind. This child was systematically tortured over a period of months before he died. He was also badly let down by the social services and he was especially let down by his school who had been told that Daniel had an eating disorder. Teachers found him climbing on cupboards and scavenging through rubbish bins to get food. He was nearly 5 years old and only weighed 1st 9lbs ffs? This child regularly arrived at school with bruises and even black eyes and yet despite the schools suspicions, they did nothing.

They killed a poor wee helpless child in this country. They committed murder in this country, so why the hell would we put them on a plane and send them back to Poland?

You continually wrongly accuse me of 'not making myself clear in posts' keep giving me advice to 'calm down' to 'not be so sensitive' etc, but it is you who really need to read through a post properly and contemplate BEFORE responding, because I was clearly NOT saying that these two bastards should be sent back to Poland for the torture and murder of this innocent child, but:

a) Merely using this article to corroborate that Adam was correct in claiming that foreign criminal turds are NOT always deported.

b) Specifically emboldened the part of the article which actually proved what Adam was saying was correct. Namely, the fact that this evil Polish bitch's evil boyfriend had already been arrested at least 6 times and jailed 3 times PRIOR to committing this atrocity and my point was that IF this bastard HAD been deported after his first, second or third jail term, or after any of his 6 arrests - THEN THIS POOR ANGELIC LOOKING INNOCENT LITTLE CHILD MIGHT - JUST MIGHT - HAVE BEEN ******* SPARED BEING TORTURED AND MURDERED.

Here is what I actually wrote:

"...HER 34 YEAR OLD SADISTIC BOYFRIEND MARIUSZ KREZOLEK WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN JAILED IN THIS COUNTRY THREE TIMES AND ARRESTED AT LEAST SIX TIMES BUT HAD NEVER BEEN PUT ON A PLANE BACK TO POLAN: "

Personally, I do not believe that this pair of turds should serve their life sentences in Poland or here in Britain, because I believe they should be shot - as all child killers should be, and I will personally put the ******* bullets in their heads FREE of charge.

kirklancaster
06-11-2015, 09:24 PM
Hmm. I was saying that, in my opinion, it would be quite right to say it about the school. Obviously the mother and boyfriend were primarily responsible for causing his death, but those others who were supposed to be looking out for him - I feel - are also criminally responsible.

And once again, I fully agree with you T.S. whoever is responsible are fully culpable and should be jailed.

DemolitionRed
06-11-2015, 09:24 PM
Hmm. I was saying that, in my opinion, it would be quite right to say it about the school. Obviously the mother and boyfriend were primarily responsible for causing his death, but those others who were supposed to be looking out for him - I feel - are also criminally responsible.

Ah ok...sorry.

I agree, the school in particular who admitted to being highly suspicious but washed it all under the carpet. That poor little guy could of been saved if just one of those teachers had spoken out.

There have been some heavy investigations into this. I believe they are still ongoing. Even David Clegg got himself involved.

DemolitionRed
06-11-2015, 09:42 PM
Kirk, please don't exaggerate. I don't continually accuse you of not making yourself clear in posts. If I don't understand what someone is trying to say in a post, I ask for clarification. Its not my intention to offend by asking.

My final paragraph wasn't at all accusational. It didn't point towards you just because I included the case you posted, but towards where this topic had veered.

Cherie
06-11-2015, 09:44 PM
Still think this forum desperately needs a "backpedaling" gif.

http://trollswithwoodenspoons.com/images/smilies/backpeddling.gif

Would be in constant use :laugh:

Jamie89
06-11-2015, 09:44 PM
It goes without saying that this is a truly horrific thing to happen to anyone but The Sun's agenda is pretty clear here. I mean "The issue is what were they doing there in the first place?" for example. I'm sorry but that's not the issue, rape is the issue. And "They arrived in the country without documents claiming to be under 18 and from Syria. But the reality is they could be older". What's that word... evidence??? Nope let's just make casual assumptions in order to detract from the real issue just to add to all their other anti-migrant propaganda. The fact that this debate is even about migration shows how completely manipulative this article and The Sun newspaper is. How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

DemolitionRed
06-11-2015, 09:47 PM
How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

Your'e right of course.

Edited to say: How did you manage to put, into just one short post, what some of us have been trying to say in half a dozen?!

Here's hoping you stick around in SD :)

Cherie
06-11-2015, 09:47 PM
It goes without saying that this is a truly horrific thing to happen to anyone but The Sun's agenda is pretty clear here. I mean "The issue is what were they doing there in the first place?" for example. I'm sorry but that's not the issue, rape is the issue. And "They arrived in the country without documents claiming to be under 18 and from Syria. But the reality is they could be older". What's that word... evidence??? Nope let's just make casual assumptions in order to detract from the real issue just to add to all their other anti-migrant propaganda. The fact that this debate is even about migration shows how completely manipulative this article and The Sun newspaper is. How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

Post of the thread

Tom4784
06-11-2015, 09:52 PM
It goes without saying that this is a truly horrific thing to happen to anyone but The Sun's agenda is pretty clear here. I mean "The issue is what were they doing there in the first place?" for example. I'm sorry but that's not the issue, rape is the issue. And "They arrived in the country without documents claiming to be under 18 and from Syria. But the reality is they could be older". What's that word... evidence??? Nope let's just make casual assumptions in order to detract from the real issue just to add to all their other anti-migrant propaganda. The fact that this debate is even about migration shows how completely manipulative this article and The Sun newspaper is. How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

:clap1:

Jamie89
06-11-2015, 09:58 PM
Your'e right of course.

Edited to say: How did you manage to put, into just one short post, what some of us have been trying to say in half a dozen?!

Here's hoping you stick around in SD :)

Thanks DR :) (and others) that's really nice of you to say :fan:

JoshBB
06-11-2015, 11:08 PM
Just thought I would point out the 'send them all back' comment was about the men involved not legitimate asylum seekers.

I am the furthest thing from racist nor xenophobic.

In which case, I withdraw my accusation of xenophobia. Sorry to jump to that conclusion, racism is becoming more common nowadays online and 'send them all back' is a phrase normally used which is probably why I made that association.

:hug:

JoshBB
06-11-2015, 11:09 PM
It goes without saying that this is a truly horrific thing to happen to anyone but The Sun's agenda is pretty clear here. I mean "The issue is what were they doing there in the first place?" for example. I'm sorry but that's not the issue, rape is the issue. And "They arrived in the country without documents claiming to be under 18 and from Syria. But the reality is they could be older". What's that word... evidence??? Nope let's just make casual assumptions in order to detract from the real issue just to add to all their other anti-migrant propaganda. The fact that this debate is even about migration shows how completely manipulative this article and The Sun newspaper is. How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

Very well put. I agree with everything here.

Denver
06-11-2015, 11:43 PM
It goes without saying that this is a truly horrific thing to happen to anyone but The Sun's agenda is pretty clear here. I mean "The issue is what were they doing there in the first place?" for example. I'm sorry but that's not the issue, rape is the issue. And "They arrived in the country without documents claiming to be under 18 and from Syria. But the reality is they could be older". What's that word... evidence??? Nope let's just make casual assumptions in order to detract from the real issue just to add to all their other anti-migrant propaganda. The fact that this debate is even about migration shows how completely manipulative this article and The Sun newspaper is. How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

It's a common thing for immigrants to come over 'lose there paperwork' and claim to be under 18 as the benefits of being under 18 are so better and the UK will not send a child back to there own country .

Ammi
07-11-2015, 07:59 AM
It goes without saying that this is a truly horrific thing to happen to anyone but The Sun's agenda is pretty clear here. I mean "The issue is what were they doing there in the first place?" for example. I'm sorry but that's not the issue, rape is the issue. And "They arrived in the country without documents claiming to be under 18 and from Syria. But the reality is they could be older". What's that word... evidence??? Nope let's just make casual assumptions in order to detract from the real issue just to add to all their other anti-migrant propaganda. The fact that this debate is even about migration shows how completely manipulative this article and The Sun newspaper is. How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

..(I typed a huge post..:laugh:../but the forum went funny, peculiar and it was lost..)...anyways, the gist ...I do agree Liam with agendas/slants etc and the media but with this, I interpreted 'what were they doing there in the first place' as being in the residential care home as opposed to what are they doing in the country but maybe that's what you also mean ...I do think with this, it obviously is something that should never have happened, so should refugees who haven't had their papers etc verified, be temporarily homed with the 'vulnerable'..?..and what does that mean exactly anyway because personally, I would say that refugees are part of the 'vulnerable...so hmmm, it's quite confusing atm and it was also meant to be somewhere which was fully supervised, so how could anything like this ever happen....


...anyways, atm much of the media is reporting 4 males as having being charged and 2 having been questioned but no charges...I hope the people who have done this are brought to justice and that she is not 'let down' now in the care and counselling etc she needs and I think a lot to be looked into with this...

Josy
07-11-2015, 08:15 AM
Poor girl, hopefully if guilty the men are punished accordingly.

'Send them all back'

What a blatantly xenophobic comment to make? Lets just hope you never move abroad and that five english people don't rape a child there. Let's hope nobody makes the same generalisation that you just did that all of the syrian refugees pose a risk of raping young children.. honestly I can't believe the ignorance in what you said.

Josh you seriously need to stop being so quick to jump to conclusions and label people, in doing so you are doing the very thing you claim to hate....

Jamie89
07-11-2015, 09:08 AM
It's a common thing for immigrants to come over 'lose there paperwork' and claim to be under 18 as the benefits of being under 18 are so better and the UK will not send a child back to there own country .

That might be true but it doesn't change the fact that regarding THIS case, there is no evidence for it. Like I said, it's an assumption, being used as propaganda to fuel anti-migrant sentiment. The Sun know their audience and the way they've used this story to sell to them is actually very clever, albeit irresponsible and uninformed.

lostalex
07-11-2015, 09:09 AM
this is what donald trump said would happen...