Croydon/girl punches 87yr old lady on bus...

[Ammi]

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A teenage girl has been caught on CCTV punching an 87-year-old woman in the face on a bus in Croydon.

The woman suffered a black eye after being punched by one of two teenagers who had boarded the Route 166 bus without paying, the Metropolitan Police said.

Most of the passengers left the bus after the girls began arguing with the driver and the elderly victim can be seen on CCTV standing next to the pair before the attack, at around 3.20pm on Friday October 16.

Both girls, described as black and aged between 14 and 18, ran away from the bus in Brighton Road, Coulston.

Another woman passenger came to the aid of the victim, who was taken to St Helier Hospital and discharged later the same day.

Police sergeant Arran Hillier, from the Croydon Safer Transport Team, said: "This was a nasty attack on an elderly woman, who just wanted to get home. I urge anyone who may recognise the suspects to contact the police."



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/09/teenage-girl-punches-woman_n_8508316.html

[smudgie]

Good clear photo, terrible crime. Hopefully they will be recognised and reported.
A pair of charmers, their parents will hopefully be ashamed of them.

[Jason.]

Disgusting. I hope they are recognized and severely punished.

[kirklancaster]

Horrific that this pair of teenagers are so poor that they have not got bus fare. I hope for their sake that they are soon caught so that they can be given their Conditional Discharge plus a couple of hundred pounds each out of the poor box and also assigned a Social Worker each so that as much financial help as possible can be showered upon these poor mites.

The old woman should also be charged with attacking the poor girl's fist with her eye orbit.

[Mystic Mock]

The two girls will soon be apologetic if they get caught.

[Jake.]

What disgusting human beings they are

[lostalex]

how did they get away???, i would have just snatched her by that ridiculous hair and held on til the cops got there.

tip to anyone dealing with violent women, grab them by the hair and don't let go.

[kirklancaster]

how did they get away???, i would have just snatched her by that ridiculous hair and held on til the cops got there.

tip to anyone dealing with violent women, grab them by the hair and don't let go.

Obviously a bus full of cowards Alex.

[kirklancaster]

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A teenage girl has been caught on CCTV punching an 87-year-old woman in the face on a bus in Croydon.

The woman suffered a black eye after being punched by one of two teenagers who had boarded the Route 166 bus without paying, the Metropolitan Police said.

Most of the passengers left the bus after the girls began arguing with the driver and the elderly victim can be seen on CCTV standing next to the pair before the attack, at around 3.20pm on Friday October 16.

Both girls, described as black and aged between 14 and 18, ran away from the bus in Brighton Road, Coulston.

Another woman passenger came to the aid of the victim, who was taken to St Helier Hospital and discharged later the same day.

Police sergeant Arran Hillier, from the Croydon Safer Transport Team, said: "This was a nasty attack on an elderly woman, who just wanted to get home. I urge anyone who may recognise the suspects to contact the police."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/09/teenage-girl-punches-woman_n_8508316.html

Just WHAT has the fact that they were Black got to do with anything? This article is racist.

[Niamh.]

****ing disgusting cowardly bitch, obviously all violent crimes are awful, it's just so sickening when it's on the most vulnerable members of our society though, like the elderly, disabled or children.

[Niamh.]

Just WHAT has the fact that they were Black got to do with anything? This article is racist.

Aren't they just giving a description of the girls so they might be caught easier?

[kirklancaster]

****ing disgusting cowardly bitch, obviously all violent crimes are awful, it's just so sickening when it's on the most vulnerable members of our society though, like the elderly, disabled or children.

:worship:

[Mystic Mock]

Just WHAT has the fact that they were Black got to do with anything? This article is racist.

It's apart of their appearance so it will be described to people so that they can come forward to The Police and grass them up.

It's honestly no different when White or Asian people commit a crime.

[kirklancaster]

Aren't they just giving a description of the girls so they might be caught easier?

Yeah, I was being a bit sarcastic Niamh. :blush: The bastards can't be caught quickly enough for me.

[Jordan.]

Tramps

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I was being a bit sarcastic Niamh. :blush: The bastards can't be caught quickly enough for me.

Sarcastic or trying to taking the piss out of members who point out things that they think are racist? Not one person disagreed with the girls colour being mentioned as a description (in a serious manner anyway) doesn't that prove that maybe these people who point out what they see as discrimination might not be as hysterical as you're trying to make them sound?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good clear photo, terrible crime. Hopefully they will be recognised and reported.
A pair of charmers, their parents will hopefully be ashamed of them.

I doubt she will have both parents..

[arista]

Evil picking on the Old

[Jamie89]

Gross. Just can't comprehend it at all. If I imagine that was my grandma it actually makes me feel sick with anger. That poor woman. I know it wasn't a massively violent crime but it's something that will likely stick with her now and make her afraid to go out. And if these girls are under 18, they're not going to face much of a punishment. If anything, they're probably bragging that they're "famous on youtube"!

[kirklancaster]

Sarcastic or trying to taking the piss out of members who point out things that they think are racist? Not one person disagreed with the girls colour being mentioned as a description (in a serious manner anyway) doesn't that prove that maybe these people who point out what they see as discrimination might not be as hysterical as you're trying to make them sound?

I wasn't taking the piss out of anybody.

I just think that this article proves that sometimes mentioning colour, race or nationality is merely being factual and not always 'racist' or 'xenophobic'.

But, hey - I do not relish more of the bilious backlash my factual comments incited on the other thread, so I'll just bow out - if that's Ok?

[Niamh.]

I wasn't taking the piss out of anybody.

I just think that this article proves that sometimes mentioning colour, race or nationality is merely being factual and not always 'racist' or 'xenophobic'.
But, hey - I do not relish more of the bilious backlash my factual comments incited on the other thread, so I'll just bow out - if that's Ok?

It's perfectly fine if you want to bow out but since you've made a point here, I think I should be allowed to respond to that before I bow out also

I can't see how you can compare this article which is simply describing the criminal and your post in the last thread which was basically assuming that most crimes are committed by foreign nationals. Also, the last article made reference to the persons appearance/skin colour too and not a single person in that thread had a problem with that.

[Josy]

Wow that's awful, hope they are caught.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Imagine living in Croydon?

:umm2:

[Ammi]

..they have got extremely clear CCTV close ups of the girls/I don't know if that vid shows that, but I don't think that the police will have any problems in finding out who they are../the one that hit the lady...

[user104658]

Horrific that this pair of teenagers are so poor that they have not got bus fare. I hope for their sake that they are soon caught so that they can be given their Conditional Discharge plus a couple of hundred pounds each out of the poor box and also assigned a Social Worker each so that as much financial help as possible can be showered upon these poor mites.

The old woman should also be charged with attacking the poor girl's fist with her eye orbit.

Using a disgusting attack by two teenagers on an elderly woman to sarcastically make a personal point

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This is a good look for you, Kirk.

[Z]

People are ****ing horrendous. Hope they get slapped with a hefty fine and community service or something, you can't just punch people in the face for no reason!

[user104658]

how did they get away???, i would have just snatched her by that ridiculous hair and held on til the cops got there.

tip to anyone dealing with violent women, grab them by the hair and don't let go.

From the footage it looks like there wasn't anyone else on the bus, other than the other woman who helped her afterwards (who also looks older, maybe 50s or 60s). So really no one who could take them on.

[lostalex]

I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation from these fine upstanding young women... i'm sure the old woman said something racist, and these obviously respectable young black women were the victims. - Russell Brand

[Ammi]

A 14-year-old girl has been arrested on suspicion of actual bodily harm (ABH) after an elderly woman was punched in the face on a bus in south London. Police issued an appeal for information after the 87-year-old was attacked on the 166 bus in Croydon on 16 October.

CCTV footage shows two female suspects, aged between 14 and 18, getting on the bus at Brighton Road, Coulsdon, allegedly without paying. An argument then broke out between the girls and the bus driver, resulting in a majority of the other passengers getting off.

As the elderly victim stood up, one of the suspects punched her in the face before both teenagers ran off. The victim was taken by the London Ambulance Service to St Helier Hospital and discharged later that day after suffering a black eye.

A 14-year-old girl has been taken to a south London police station where she remains in custody. Officers have also identified the second female involved in the incident but she has not been arrested at this time.

Police Sergeant Arran Hillier, from the Croydon Safer Transport Team, said: "This was a nasty attack on an elderly woman, who just wanted to get home

[kirklancaster]

Using a disgusting attack by two teenagers on an elderly woman to sarcastically make a personal point

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This is a good look for you, Kirk.

Thank you for your applause T.S.

[lostalex]

14? for ****s sake. i don't even want the 14 y/o punished, but i want her parents to spend 2 years in jails at least. Shame on the parents.

[Cherie]

Disgusting human being to do that to an old lady. I hope she get months of community service in an old people home, it not just the damage to the old lady physically it is the mental scars that may prevent her from using public transport in the future.

[Kizzy]

Disgusting human being to do that to an old lady. I hope she get months of community service in an old people home, it not just the damage to the old lady physically it is the mental scars that may prevent her from using public transport in the future.

I wouldn't let this little twonk anywhere near an old folks home, if she's assaulted one she'd have no problem doing it again.

[kirklancaster]

I wouldn't let this little twonk anywhere near an old folks home, if she's assaulted one she'd have no problem doing it again.

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[Lostie!]

14? for ****s sake. i don't even want the 14 y/o punished, but i want her parents to spend 2 years in jails at least. Shame on the parents.

I hope this is just an attempt at satire.

[Cherie]

I wouldn't let this little twonk anywhere near an old folks home, if she's assaulted one she'd have no problem doing it again.

In the kitchen under supervision washing pots and peeling veg I wasn't planning on her being a nurse :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I wouldn't let this little twonk anywhere near an old folks home, if she's assaulted one she'd have no problem doing it again.

You could lock her in a room and make her watch that John Lewis ad on loop for months instead :hee:

[Cherie]

You could lock her in a room and make her watch that John Lewis ad on loop for months instead :hee:

Or emptying bed pans and scrubbing the toilets the possibilities are endless

[Kizzy]

In the kitchen under supervision washing pots and peeling veg I wasn't planning on her being a nurse :laugh:

Nope, stick her in the sluice and have her clean the commodes for a month....with her tongue ;)

[Cherie]

Nope, stick her in the sluice and have her clean the commodes for a month....with her tongue ;)

Now you're talking :smug:

[Daniel.]

Dirty skanks

[Ammi]

...whatever the court decides for this girl, I hope the lady is ok and gets as much care and help as she needs right now...I know of older people who have just fallen or been knocked in a crowd, nothing so brutal as this and they've struggled in leaving their houses again...

[Cherie]

...whatever the court decides for this girl, I hope the lady is ok and gets as much care and help as she needs right now...I know of older people who have just fallen or been knocked in a crowd, nothing so brutal as this and they've struggled in leaving their houses again...

That's the issue really, the loss of confidence, the bruises will heal.

[Nedusa]

The two girls will soon be apologetic if they get caught.

Is that apologetic or apoplectic...??

[Nedusa]

some young people regardless of race,religion or education have no boundaries and no moral compass. They see no harm in using violence against anyone big, small young or old.

The word feral comes to mind, these young people are the fruits of this generation and we deserve everything we get.

No discipline,respect,honour,morality all replaced with a strange outlook tempered with years of violent films, video games, gang culture, violent hardcore music. Add to that a breakdown of the family unit, lone single parent families.

No discipline at home, no discipline at school , a strange "you can't talk to me like that I have rights..etc.. ffs has resulted in a generation of nasty little hoodlums.

Ask yourself one question... If you saw a gang of teenagers beating up another teenager would you intervene ?

Would you....??

[Kizzy]

some young people regardless of race,religion or education have no boundaries and no moral compass. They see no harm in using violence against anyone big, small young or old.

The word feral comes to mind, these young people are the fruits of this generation and we deserve everything we get.

No discipline,respect,honour,morality all replaced with a strange outlook tempered with years of violent films, video games, gang culture, violent hardcore music. Add to that a breakdown of the family unit, lone single parent families.

No discipline at home, no discipline at school , a strange "you can't talk to me like that I have rights..etc.. ffs has resulted in a generation of nasty little hoodlums.

Ask yourself one question... If you saw a gang of teenagers beating up another teenager would you intervene ?

Would you....??

Waited for it and sure enough....

[Niamh.]

Waited for it and sure enough....

Second time Kizzy #17

[arista]

Is there a problem saying
"single parent families" ?

[Kizzy]

Second time Kizzy #17

I might have known.... :idc:

[Niamh.]

Is there a problem saying
"single parent families" ?

When single parents get blamed for all that is wrong with the youth of today then yes there is

[Kizzy]

Is there a problem saying
"single parent families" ?

Depends in what connotation.

[Jamie89]

some young people regardless of race,religion or education have no boundaries and no moral compass. They see no harm in using violence against anyone big, small young or old.

The word feral comes to mind, these young people are the fruits of this generation and we deserve everything we get.

No discipline,respect,honour,morality all replaced with a strange outlook tempered with years of violent films, video games, gang culture, violent hardcore music. Add to that a breakdown of the family unit, lone single parent families.

No discipline at home, no discipline at school , a strange "you can't talk to me like that I have rights..etc.. ffs has resulted in a generation of nasty little hoodlums.

Ask yourself one question... If you saw a gang of teenagers beating up another teenager would you intervene ?

Would you....??

I have to disagree with this. I'm probably part of that generation, I grew up listening to bands like Marilyn Manson, I watched violent movies etc, and had friends who grew up in single parent families, and neither myself or any of the people I know would condone what these girls did. Throughout history there will always have been cases of violence so I don't understand how what happened here can be equated to a generational issue, or a whole generation of people (that fall under the categories you've suggested) can be labelled as nasty?

[arista]

Depends in what connotation.


OK

[Jamie89]

Is there a problem saying
"single parent families" ?

Depends. If you are assuming someone is part of a single parent family on the sole basis that they committed a crime, or that they committed a crime because they are part of a single parent family, then yes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

f you are an African-Caribbean child you are twice as likely as your white British counterpart to grow up in a single-parent household. In fact, the figure is probably higher. An Equality and Human Rights Commission report in 2011 found that as many as 65% of African-Caribbean children are raised by one parent – nearly always the mother.

These children are more likely to leave education early, more likely to end up in prison, more likely to become teenage parents. The list goes on.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/mar/23/proud-young-black-fathers


if that little punk has a father at home I will eat my hat

[Jamie89]

f you are an African-Caribbean child you are twice as likely as your white British counterpart to grow up in a single-parent household. In fact, the figure is probably higher. An Equality and Human Rights Commission report in 2011 found that as many as 65% of African-Caribbean children are raised by one parent – nearly always the mother.

These children are more likely to leave education early, more likely to end up in prison, more likely to become teenage parents. The list goes on.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/mar/23/proud-young-black-fathers


if that little punk has a father at home I will eat my hat

I wonder if there are any other contributory factors that lead to these statistics? Rather than it simply being a case of black + single parent family = criminal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder if there are any other contributory factors that lead to these statistics? Rather than it simply being a case of black + single parent family = criminal.

isnt it to do with the Caribbean family aspect playing out?


It is even worse in America

[Nedusa]

I have to disagree with this. I'm probably part of that generation, I grew up listening to bands like Marilyn Manson, I watched violent movies etc, and had friends who grew up in single parent families, and neither myself or any of the people I know would condone what these girls did. Throughout history there will always have been cases of violence so I don't understand how what happened here can be equated to a generational issue, or a whole generation of people (that fall under the categories you've suggested) can be labelled as nasty?

So do you have any insights as to what is happening to our youth today, as they seem to think violence is acceptable and can be dispensed to anybody in equal measure.

Knife crime,gun crime, muggings violent robberies all on the increase..

Any thoughts ??

[Kizzy]

So do you have any insights as to what is happening to our youth today, as they seem to think violence is acceptable and can be dispensed to anybody in equal measure.

Knife crime,gun crime, muggings violent robberies all on the increase..

Any thoughts ??

Why are you demonising the yoof of today? It was one 14yr old.

[Jamie89]

So do you have any insights as to what is happening to our youth today, as they seem to think violence is acceptable and can be dispensed to anybody in equal measure.

Knife crime,gun crime, muggings violent robberies all on the increase..

Any thoughts ??

But the question itself is flawed because not all youths do think violence is acceptable. I don't know why it's on the increase, there are probably countless reasons why someone might commit a crime and I certainly don't have all the answers, but I don't think it can be for the factors you gave earlier because of the reasons I mentioned.
I do however think the culture of what it is to be a child has changed since I was at school, with the rise of social media playing a big part, because kids nowadays are more aware of the power of being noticed and I think a lot of anti social behaviour can be atttibuted to this. But that's just one example. I'm not sure if it fits with this specific case.

[JoshBB]

Why are you demonising the yoof of today? It was one 14yr old.

Thank you Kizzy.

I'm 15 and I don't know anyone my age who carries knives, guns or anything like that. You can't look at a situation like this and marginalise the whole of the younger generation.

[JoshBB]

Also let's not demonise single-parent families please. It's hard enough for them to get by as it is without them also having society against them.

[bots]

i'm not sure that violent crime is on the increase from those in their teens, are there figures to back that assertion up?

[Lostie!]

Plenty of adults commit violent crimes too, it's not exclusively a problem with "the youth of today".

[the truth]

firstly the scumbags should be imprisoned.....secondly how is the old lady now? after such a violent attack, clearly she will have psychological problems and fears about going out in future.

[the truth]

Plenty of adults commit violent crimes too, it's not exclusively a problem with "the youth of today".

the problem is when they get away with it....how do 2 young people grow into such evil scumbags that think its ok to punch 87 year olds