Breast Feeding in the House Of Commons - No Way

[arista]

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[Cherie]

They had this debate on Your Call on 5live this am, doubt it will go ahead, PMs questions is no place for a young baby to begin with

[Ammi]

..do they have facilities in the building though..?...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can MPs just eat at one of the many bars around the place?

[arista]

They had this debate on Your Call on 5live this am, doubt it will go ahead, PMs questions is no place for a young baby to begin with




Yes debated alot today.

[Jamie89]

Never understood and never will understand what the problem with breast feeding is :shrug: They're just boobs. What's the issue?

[Niamh.]

Never understood and never will understand what the problem with breast feeding is :shrug: They're just boobs. What's the issue?

Yeah same here and most times when a woman is breast feeding you wouldn't even know she's doing it. I do however agree with Cherie that this probably isn't the place for a baby in general anyway

[arista]

Never understood and never will understand what the problem with breast feeding is :shrug: They're just boobs. What's the issue?


Some MP's are seedy

[Ammi]

Some MP's are seedy

...what relevance would that have with a baby being fed, though...

[lostalex]

why are women so obsessed with showing their tits always?

if women are allowed to quirt white stuff from their tits in public, then i should be allowed to squirt white stuff from my dick in public.

yes we know you have tits ladies, now put them away.

[lostalex]

...what relevance would that have with a baby being fed, though...

because women can pump and give their babies a bottle in public, that's why.

[Ammi]

..yeah, they can do that as an option as well Alex but if their baby is with them, they don't need to because they can just breastfeed...but still no relevance to the 'seedy' bit..

[lostalex]

..yeah, they can do that as an option as well Alex but if their baby is with them, they don't need to because they can just breastfeed...but still no relevance to the 'seedy' bit..

i think women get used to all the attention they get when they are pregnant, and they use breastfeeding to continue getting more attention and special treatment. it;s like look at me everyone, see i made a baby! treat me special! just because i'm not pregnant anymore does;'t mean i don't still want extra attention! i liked all the attention! please keep giving me more attention!

[Ammi]

i think women get used to all the attention they get when they are pregnant, and they use breastfeeding to continue getting more attention and special treatment. it;s like look at me everyone, see i made a baby! treat me special! just because i'm not pregnant anymore does;'t mean i don't still want extra attention! i liked all the attention! please keep giving me more attention!

...I would think that 'special attention' from breast feeding in public places is around the last thing a female gets ..(in a positive way..)...many people still see it as something that they would rather not see../hence why we have so may stories/discussions on it...a breast feeding female still needs to live a life and go places that may not mean she can always be home for her child's feeding times, so a feed in public is sometimes necessary otherwise there would be a very distressed and screaming child...would that be 'attention' as well, if that happened and was allowed to continue without the child being fed...

[joeysteele]

Rather backward looking from the MPs as to this issue.
This is the 21st century for goodness sake, for ages women were denied the vote,that's gone.
No need now to treat then like second class citizens and second class MPs,just because they are Mothers too, if a baby needs feeding,it needs feeding, and the stuffed shirts who it would make feel uncomfortable, should just get on with it and look away.

Maybe even ask themselves as to having such views what they are doing in Parliament themselves anyway.

[Ammi]

Rather backward looking from the MPs as to this issue.
This is the 21st century for goodness sake, for ages women were denied the vote,that's gone.
No need now to treat then like second class citizens and second class MPs,just because they are Mothers too, if a baby needs feeding,it needs feeding, and the stuffed shirts who it would make feel uncomfortable, should just get on with it and look away.

Maybe even ask themselves as to having such views what they are doing in Parliament themselves anyway.

...stuffed with formula bottles to nip out and feed their babies when they need to, maybe...

[Jamie89]

Alex, why are you against it though? Is it just because you think women are doing it to seek attention? I'm genuinely curious because noone can ever seem to articulate what their problem with breastfeeding is. It's always something like 'it's inappropriate' or 'it makes people feel uncomfortable', but again, why?
And yes there are of course alternatives to breastfeeding, but that STILL doesn't exlain what the actual problem with breastfeeding is :shrug:
I wonder if it's just because people aren't used to it. So maybe if it starts happening more frequently in public places and on TV then people will become used to it and it won't be an issue?
I find it hard to believe that the issue is sexual. Since there is no sex involved

[Niamh.]

Alex, why are you against it though? Is it just because you think women are doing it to seek attention? I'm genuinely curious because noone can ever seem to articulate what their problem with breastfeeding is. It's always something like 'it's inappropriate' or 'it makes people feel uncomfortable', but again, why?
And yes there are of course alternatives to breastfeeding, but that STILL doesn't exlain what the actual problem with breastfeeding is :shrug:
I wonder if it's just because people aren't used to it. So maybe if it starts happening more frequently in public places and on TV then people will become used to it and it won't be an issue?
I find it hard to believe that the issue is sexual. Since there is no sex involved

Maybe men don't like to see Boobs de-sexualised :think:

[lostalex]

...I would think that 'special attention' from breast feeding in public places is around the last thing a female gets ..(in a positive way..)...many people still see it as something that they would rather not see../hence why we have so may stories/discussions on it...a breast feeding female still needs to live a life and go places that may not mean she can always be home for her child's feeding times, so a feed in public is sometimes necessary otherwise there would be a very distressed and screaming child...would that be 'attention' as well, if that happened and was allowed to continue without the child being fed...

yea, and babies poo themselves all the time too, does that mean it's okay for women to change a diaper in public everywhere too? no...

do you think it's okay for a mother to change a babies diaper in the middle of a restaurant?

no baby is gonna starve to death if they have to wait 30 minutes for food, and like i pointed out before, all women pump their milk into bottles, so they can easily carry bottles with them just like they cary a million other things with them in their strollers and bags, and purses. The women that are breast feeding in public are doing it for attention.

[Niamh.]

yea, and babies poo themselves all the time too, does that mean it's okay for women to change a diaper in public everywhere too? no...

do you think it's okay for a mother to change a babies diaper in the middle of a restaurant?

no baby is gonna starve to death if they have to wait 30 minutes for food, and like i pointed out before, all women pump their milk into bottles, so they can easily carry bottles with them just like they cary a million other things with them in their strollers and bags, and purses. The women that are breast feeding in public are doing it for attention.

I'm actually surprised at your opinion on this Alex, i thought you were more liberal than that. You think it's better to let a baby cry for half an hour than feed it incase it might embarrass someone?

[Ammi]

yea, and babies poo themselves all the time too, does that mean it's okay for women to change a diaper in public everywhere too? no...

do you think it's okay for a mother to change a babies diaper in the middle of a restaurant?

no baby is gonna starve to death if they have to wait 30 minutes for food, and like i pointed out before, all women pump their milk into bottles, so they can easily carry bottles with them just like they cary a million other things with them in their strollers and bags, and purses. The women that are breast feeding in public are doing it for attention.

...well changing a nappy does have some hygiene issues attached to it as well..(and where food is being eaten at restaurant tables..)... so that is something that mother's consider and try to find changing facilities if they can...it also only takes a few minutes to do, so if someone is part of something, they're only gone for a very short time but breast feeding ..(depending on the person and the baby..)..can take a length of time and it's unnecessary for a female to 'separate' themselves fot that length of time, while their baby feeds...sometimes, it may be that they have to but in situations where they don't, why should they feel that they should do that...

[Cherie]

Never understood and never will understand what the problem with breast feeding is :shrug: They're just boobs. What's the issue?

This debate isn't about breastfeeding per se it about bring babies to work and breastfeeding on the job so to speak :laugh:

[Cherie]

Rather backward looking from the MPs as to this issue.
This is the 21st century for goodness sake, for ages women were denied the vote,that's gone.
No need now to treat then like second class citizens and second class MPs,just because they are Mothers too, if a baby needs feeding,it needs feeding, and the stuffed shirts who it would make feel uncomfortable, should just get on with it and look away.

Maybe even ask themselves as to having such views what they are doing in Parliament themselves anyway.

I disagree Joey this is about a woman doing her job would MPs accept a Dad bottle feeding an infant while responding to a question posed by the PM, the answer is no, this has nothing to do with being liberal, breastfeed all you like ladies when you are on your own time but during consultation with a constituent or posing a question on their behalf in the house, no!

[arista]

I disagree Joey this is about a woman doing her job would MPs accept a Dad bottle feeding an infant while responding to a question posed by the PM, the answer is no, this has nothing to do with being liberal, breastfeed all you like ladies when you are on your own time but during consultation with a constituent or posing a question on their behalf in the house, no!

Bang On Right Cherie

[Cherie]

Bang On Right Cherie

I can only assume that the women pushing for this have never had an infant as they seem to be under the illusion that the baby is going to lay there quietly for the session waiting patiently for a feed :laugh: no gurgling, no crying, no filling a nappy :shrug:

[Kizzy]

Rather backward looking from the MPs as to this issue.
This is the 21st century for goodness sake, for ages women were denied the vote,that's gone.
No need now to treat then like second class citizens and second class MPs,just because they are Mothers too, if a baby needs feeding,it needs feeding, and the stuffed shirts who it would make feel uncomfortable, should just get on with it and look away.

Maybe even ask themselves as to having such views what they are doing in Parliament themselves anyway.

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[Ammi]

..I guess that some could question whether mothers/fathers bringing their babies into the House of Common Chamber could raise the intelligence and behaviour and be an asset...

[Jamie89]

..I guess that some could question whether mothers/fathers bringing their babies into the House of Common Chamber could raise the intelligence and behaviour and be an asset...

Or the amount of drivel they speak, the baby would fit right in :laugh:

[Cherie]

If they allow female MPs to bring their babies to work then I guess every other workplace should follow suit, if MPs feel they can do their job with a baby in toe then every other woman can as well. I look forward to those in favour being served by a waitress juggling a plate and a feeding baby :D:

[Ammi]

Or the amount of drivel they speak, the baby would fit right in :laugh:

...ba boom..:laugh:...

[Kizzy]

If they allow female MPs to bring their babies to work then I guess every other workplace should follow suit, if MPs feel they can do their job with a baby in toe then every other woman can as well. I look forward to those in favour being served by a waitress juggling a plate and a feeding baby :D:

I wouldn't mind a bit, but let's try maintain a degree of perspective for the lolz.

[Cherie]

I wouldn't mind a bit, but let's try maintain a degree of perspective for the lolz.

Perspective? In what way? As in its okay for women in some jobs but not others?

[Kizzy]

Well no obv, I would say that having a baby in tow may be unworkable in some professions however I do think that provision should be made where convenient to facilitate breastfeeding.

[joeysteele]

I disagree Joey this is about a woman doing her job would MPs accept a Dad bottle feeding an infant while responding to a question posed by the PM, the answer is no, this has nothing to do with being liberal, breastfeed all you like ladies when you are on your own time but during consultation with a constituent or posing a question on their behalf in the house, no!

Sorry to say I have to disagree.
Actually I would have no problem if the baby had to be brought to work for a Dad to bottle feed the baby.
In fact these MPs griping at the breastfeeding wouldn't have an issue were the Mother bottle feeding the baby anyway likely rather than breastfeeding.

As for engaging or getting an answer or asking a relevant question from and to this PM, well I think Baby and his/her feed are more important than listening to him waffle on anyway.
I think in fairness too as to the constituent consultation, that could take a relatively short time to do and the need to feed a Baby unlikely to arise, in the Commons many hours of time can be needed in debates for those in attendance.

[Cherie]

Well no obv, I would say that having a baby in tow may be unworkable in some professions however I do think that provision should be made where convenient to facilitate breastfeeding.


Isn't it unworkable in most situations as you are there to work though, a crèche is one thing, bringing a baby into the commons or to a meeting or anywhere is just ludicrous IMO, and what would the cut off point be 6 months, 9 months, 12 ..

Sorry to say I have to disagree.
Actually I would have no problem if the baby had to be brought to work for a Dad to bottle feed the baby.
In fact these MPs griping at the breastfeeding wouldn't have an issue were the Mother bottle feeding the baby anyway likely rather than breastfeeding.

As for engaging or getting an answer or asking a relevant question from and to this PM, well I think Baby and his/her feed are more important than listening to him waffle on anyway.
I think in fairness too as to the constituent consultation, that could take a relatively short time to do and the need to feed a Baby unlikely to arise, in the Commons many hours of time can be needed in debates for those in attendance.


That is the point though Joey, if you are concentrating on your baby as you should be while feeding, then you can't actually be doing your job properly.

[user104658]

Breastfeeding should be allowed anywhere that babies are allowed, however...

PMs questions is no place for a young baby to begin with

This, pretty much. This shouldn't need to be a debate as, in my opinion, it would be a much simpler solution just to make it a child-free zone entirely other than prearranged tours and visits etc.

[joeysteele]

Isn't it unworkable in most situations as you are there to work though, a crèche is one thing, bringing a baby into the commons or to a meeting or anywhere is just ludicrous IMO, and what would the cut off point be 6 months, 9 months, 12 ..




That is the point though Joey, if you are concentrating on your baby as you should be while feeding, then you can't actually be doing your job properly.



Well you really only need to talk in the Commons most of the time and only when you are called to do so, which feeding a baby would not prevent you doing.
It is not as if you have to be moving boxes around or running backwards and forwards in the Commons.

If we want more representative MPs, and Mothers are a big part of that,then provision and tolerance needs to be executed to accommodate same.
Mothers doing right for their Babies should not have bigoted MPs dictating what they can and cannot do.
The Mother of a child knows it best, they do not.

[Jamie89]

This debate isn't about breastfeeding per se it about bring babies to work and breastfeeding on the job so to speak :laugh:

Well yeah I suppose then, in that case I don't know whether or not it's right for babies to be allowed in work situations like the house of commons. But I think in principle, if someone for whatever reason does have their baby with them (there might be extenuating circumstances I can't think of right now :laugh:) then there shouldn't be any problem with the baby being breastfed whilst already there.

[Cherie]

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Well you really only need to talk in the Commons most of the time and only when you are called to do so, which feeding a baby would not prevent you doing.
It is not as if you have to be moving boxes around or running backwards and forwards in the Commons.

If we want more representative MPs, and Mothers are a big part of that,then provision and tolerance needs to be executed to accommodate same.
Mothers doing right for their Babies should not have bigoted MPs dictating what they can and cannot do.
The Mother of a child knows it best, they do not.


Why can't female MPs make provision to have their child looked after like every other family with working parents?

[Cherie]

Well yeah I suppose then, in that case I don't know whether or not it's right for babies to be allowed in work situations like the house of commons. But I think in principle, if someone for whatever reason does have their baby with them (there might be extenuating circumstances I can't think of right now :laugh:) then there shouldn't be any problem with the baby being breastfed whilst already there.

I agree

[joeysteele]

Why can't female MPs make provision to have their child looked after like every other family with working parents?

As a child I would have hated to have been looked after by anyone other than my Mum or Grandmother, no one outside the family circle at the very least.
.
An MP can be away from their home areas ages and if they want to bond with their babies should be encouraged to do so and not face any other pre-conditions as to being an MP.
Especially if the Baby is breastfed and happy and content with that.

I commend any Mother who is an MP for not passing her baby off to others and to want to nurture it herself.
I don't see that as in any way a negative at all but a massive positive, as to her.
perhaps some toffee nosed grumpyMPs just don't want to be reminded of what the real world is about and that Mothers actually do feed babies, one of the most loving and natural things there is to do too between a Mother and her child.

[Kizzy]

It's not a scenario that is ever likely to occur, but seeing as this hypothetical is being mulled over I think my issue is regardless of whether the mother should be doing MP stuff or whatever just the fact that it is not allowed that rankles...

[Livia]

The Chamber of the House of Commons is not a suitable place for breastfeeding. Neither would a board room with a meeting going on. Anywhere else in the Commons, I don't have a problem. But the Chamber? Seriously?

[joeysteele]

The Chamber of the House of Commons is not a suitable place for breastfeeding. Neither would a board room with a meeting going on. Anywhere else in the Commons, I don't have a problem. But the Chamber? Seriously?

Times change however and to the MPs who are moaning at this I doubt anywhere would be acceptable.
Many MPs have been thrust into being an MP likely never believing they were going to win the seat they stood in, particularly in Scotland.
I asked my Mum about this and how she felt, she said no one would get away with, in this day and age, if she was still able to have children, how, where or when to feed her babies.

That is the best authority on it for me and so I stand by what I say, tell the toffee nosed grumpy so and so's who are moaning, to get a life and get back to sleep then wake up again this time in the 21st century not the 19th.

[Kizzy]

It's just a hall with lots of benches... what's the prob?

[Livia]

Times change however and to the MPs who are moaning at this I doubt anywhere would be acceptable.
Many MPs have been thrust into being an MP likely never believing they were going to win the seat they stood in, particularly in Scotland.
I asked my Mum about this and how she felt, she said no one would get away with, in this day and age, if she was still able to have children, how, where or when to feed her babies.

That is the best authority on it for me and so I stand by what I say, tell the toffee nosed grumpy so and so's who are moaning, to get a life and get back to sleep then wake up again this time in the 21st century not the 19th.

So we're assuming that these hypothetical women are taking their babies to work. I can't think of any other business where a woman would a) take a small baby to work b) expect to breast feed during a meeting. And realistically, why would anyone want to take a baby into the Chamber?

[bots]

i take a rather simplistic view on this, I couldn't care less where a woman breast feeds as long as she is comfortable in the place she is doing it. However, if someone is working and deciding on the fate of the nation, I would expect that to get their full attention, and I don't believe that would be the case if she was breast feeding.

[Livia]

Well said, bitontheside.

[Kizzy]

i take a rather simplistic view on this, I couldn't care less where a woman breast feeds as long as she is comfortable in the place she is doing it. However, if someone is working and deciding on the fate of the nation, I would expect that to get their full attention, and I don't believe that would be the case if she was breast feeding.

Best wake up some of the old duffers I see snoring on PMQs then and remind them of this fate of the nation stuff...

[bots]

Best wake up some of the old duffers I see snoring on PMQs then and remind them of this fate of the nation stuff...

don't get me started :joker:

[joeysteele]

i take a rather simplistic view on this, I couldn't care less where a woman breast feeds as long as she is comfortable in the place she is doing it. However, if someone is working and deciding on the fate of the nation, I would expect that to get their full attention, and I don't believe that would be the case if she was breast feeding.

It may be well said but it is a near slight on womens abilities as to multi tasking.
Women who breastfed their babies before ran homes and ran them to perfection, multi tasking every day and making sure all in the home was in order.

To feed a baby does not stop any woman 'thinking','talking' or 'hearing', that is all that is needed in the commons.
If you also seriously believe too that the vast majority of men and women in the Commons actually take much notice of what is said, and that they don't already know which way they will be voting anyway even before they go into the Commons,then you would get a massive shock to witness same.

[kirklancaster]

William hague, tony blair, norman tebbit, jack straw -- there have always been plenty of tits on open display in the commons.

What is all the fuss about?

[joeysteele]

William hague, tony blair, norman tebbit, jack straw -- there have always been plenty of tits on open display in the commons.

What is all the fuss about?

:joker: you have made me laugh twice today Kirk.:joker:
Exactly though,I find the fuss ridiculous.

[Cherie]

:joker: you have made me laugh twice today Kirk.:joker:
Exactly though,I find the fuss ridiculous.

I think the fuss is far from ridiculous, a lot of women work unsocial hours, are they being offered the opportunity of bringing their baby to work, nope, have some free child provision, pay through the nose for the rest, express your milk and shut up and get on with your job or stay at home, while the female MPs and their baby's get the kid glove treatment and get to bond in chambers, that is what I consider ridiculous.

[kirklancaster]

:joker: you have made me laugh twice today Kirk.:joker:
Exactly though,I find the fuss ridiculous.

:laugh: Thanks Joey. Kirk still loves ya. :laugh:

[bots]

It may be well said but it is a near slight on womens abilities as to multi tasking.
Women who breastfed their babies before ran homes and ran them to perfection, multi tasking every day and making sure all in the home was in order.

To feed a baby does not stop any woman 'thinking','talking' or 'hearing', that is all that is needed in the commons.
If you also seriously believe too that the vast majority of men and women in the Commons actually take much notice of what is said, and that they don't already know which way they will be voting anyway even before they go into the Commons,then you would get a massive shock to witness same.

in that case it would be fine for women to breast feed while doing open heart surgery or perhaps while driving a bus or a train? Concentration is required to do a job properly

[Kizzy]

in that case it would be fine for women to breast feed while doing open heart surgery or perhaps while driving a bus or a train? Concentration is required to do a job properly

In what universe are those comparable?...

[AnnieK]

I'm confused.... Being an MP is a job right? Once your maternity leave has ended you return to work and make provisions for your children. Being in a place of work is not the environment for a child, there is no stimulus for them and it's not exactly a comfortable environment. I returned to work when my son was 6 months old, did I want to? Not particularly but I had to provide for my family and so childcare was arranged. I can't get if this is hypothetical or people are serious ....why should being an MP allow you to demand the right to take a child into a working environment. To be clear...I believe women have the right yo breast feed when and where they wish but if you have returned to paid employment after having a child provisions have to be made

[Kizzy]

I don't think the point is should they or would they... it's can they.

[Livia]

I don't think the point is should they or would they... it's can they.

This is turning in to a sketch from Monty Python's Life of Brian.

I'm with Annie. Who takes their kids in to work? I don't know anyone. And moreover, a lot of time and resource is being wasted by Jess Philips, pursuing this frankly ridiculous idea when that time and resource could be put more pressing issues.

[joeysteele]

in that case it would be fine for women to breast feed while doing open heart surgery or perhaps while driving a bus or a train? Concentration is required to do a job properly

Well obviously not, since in all those things, they would 'need' their hands free to do all of them.
As to concentration,I can concentrate on what is going on around me and still watch the TV for instance.
I can decorate a room wile listening to music,ably concentrating on both things.
A Mother does not need her hands free to concentrate and listen and talk.

I work in Law, you are concentrating on any one case at a time but also still working through your mind the next ones coming up and even what happened in the one before.
The human brain is well able to concentrate on juggling 2 things at once and even much more than 2 as well.

[joeysteele]

I think the fuss is far from ridiculous, a lot of women work unsocial hours, are they being offered the opportunity of bringing their baby to work, nope, have some free child provision, pay through the nose for the rest, express your milk and shut up and get on with your job or stay at home, while the female MPs and their baby's get the kid glove treatment and get to bond in chambers, that is what I consider ridiculous.

I think we have to just agree to disagree Cherie, I love you to bits but will never see what the fuss is about at all on this.
If I were a woman and a Mother, I would find the MPs who are moaning at this as being highly offensive and frankly from the dinosaur era..

[Livia]

Well obviously not, since in all those things, they would 'need' their hands free to do all of them.
As to concentration,I can concentrate on what is going on around me and still watch the TV for instance.
I can decorate a room wile listening to music,ably concentrating on both things.
A Mother does not need her hands free to concentrate and listen and talk.

I work in Law, you are concentrating on any one case at a time but also still working through your mind the next ones coming up and even what happened in the one before.
The human brain is well able to concentrate on juggling 2 things at once and even much more than 2 as well.

With respect, Joey, that's nonsense. None of your examples equates at all to looking after a baby. I don't know anyone who could do their job at 100% capacity while looking after a baby. I can't see anyone else in their working environment putting up with it either. As cute as babies are I don't want them in my place of work.

[AnnieK]

Well obviously not, since in all those things, they would 'need' their hands free to do all of them.
As to concentration,I can concentrate on what is going on around me and still watch the TV for instance.
I can decorate a room wile listening to music,ably concentrating on both things.
A Mother does not need her hands free to concentrate and listen and talk.

I work in Law, you are concentrating on any one case at a time but also still working through your mind the next ones coming up and even what happened in the one before.
The human brain is well able to concentrate on juggling 2 things at once and even much more than 2 as well.

I agree with what you've said Joey....as a working mother myself, I work in a fairly stressful environment on multiple tasks whilst thinking about bills, football training, parents evening etc etc BUT I would not have had the ability to stimulate my child as he needed as a baby in a noisy work environment. Children need attention and stimulating in a calm environment, not in the hustle and bustle of a Commons session.

[joeysteele]

With respect, Joey, that's nonsense. None of your examples equates at all to looking after a baby. I don't know anyone who could do their job at 100% capacity while looking after a baby. I can't see anyone else in their working environment putting up with it either. As cute as babies are I don't want them in my place of work.

What pray is nonsense, that's a bit rude with respect.

I work in law and that is a job and I deal with 2,3.4 and more things at once.
Just what is nonsense and why get at me anyway, I answered bitontheslide who made a comparison as to driving a bus and open heart surgery,which have no comparison to feeding a baby and listening to what is going on.
That is not nonsense however is it not, so how is mine?

[Jamie89]

Why don't they just make a blanket law that says it's legal for women to breastfeed anywhere, but have separate stipulations that state where you can look after your baby (which would maybe be decided upon by the individual businesses). So then it wouldn't be a question of "can a woman breastfeed in the house of commons" but it would be "can a woman (or man) bring their child into the house of commons.

It seems like there is one side of the current argument which is saying "Yes, women should be able to breastfeed in the HoC" and another side of the argument which is saying "No, people shouldn't be bringing their children into the HoC", but really these are separate issues and so all our points keep missing because we're not on the same page lol.

[bots]

What pray is nonsense, that's a bit rude with respect.

I work in law and that is a job and I deal with 2,3.4 and more things at once.
Just what is nonsense and why get at me anyway, I answered bitontheslide who made a comparison as to driving a bus and open heart surgery,which have no comparison to feeding a baby and listening to what is going on.
That is not nonsense however is it not, so how is mine?

with respect joey. You don't work on several things at the same time, you time slice. You can't concentrate on specific details of 2 cases at the same time. You work on 1 for a bit, work on the next for a bit etc. You cant think down 2 paths at exactly the same time.

In a real time environment, where information is being constantly sent out, you can't concentrate fully on what is being said and tend fully to the baby, you time slice. You may be aware of what is being said or what the baby is doing, but you cant actively engage in both at the same time

Sorry, but as has been said above, its not about being modern, pc or anything else, its about giving the task the capacity it deserves.

[joeysteele]

with respect joey. You don't work on several things at the same time, you time slice. You can't concentrate on specific details of 2 cases at the same time. You work on 1 for a bit, work on the next for a bit etc. You cant think down 2 paths at exactly the same time.

In a real time environment, where information is being constantly sent out, you can't concentrate fully on what is being said and tend fully to the baby, you time slice. You may be aware of what is being said or what the baby is doing, but you cant actively engage in both at the same time

Sorry, but as has been said above, its not about being modern, pc or anything else, its about giving the task the capacity it deserves.

Sorry but with great respect,you clearly know little about law, you can be dealing with more than one case at a time even in different courts too, I talk about magistrates courts which is where my work is done.
Whereby you are even taking calls from others related to future cases coming up too while actively and fully proficiently preparing the case you are due in court with.

You have to multi task and must be able to deal with far more than one thing at a time.
I tell you with no hesitation there is a massive load of information fired at lawyers in courts and outside the court, that they have to not only take on board and concentrate on but in fact deal with too a lot of the time.
Papers are flung at you from all directions and not all just about one single case.

Work on 2 paths at a time, I wish, sometimes it is more like 3,4 and 5 paths I feel myself thinking on while working on in Law.

[bots]

Sorry but you clearly know little about law, you can be dealing with more than one case at a time even in different courts too, I talk about magistrates courts which is where my work is done.
Whereby you are even taking calls from others related to future cases coming up too while actively and fully proficiently preparing the case you are due in court with.

You have to multi task and must be able to deal with far more than one thing at a time.
I tell you with no hesitation there is a massive load of information fired at lawyers in courts and outside the court, that they have to not only take on board and concentrate on but in fact deal with too a lot of the time.
Papers are flung at you from all directions and not all just about one single case.

Work on 2 paths at a time, I wish, sometimes it is more like 3,4 and 5 paths I feel myself thinking on while working on in Law.

I repeat again, your brain time slices, it cannot fully engage where concentration is required to do both tasks.

[joeysteele]

I repeat again, your brain time slices, it cannot fully engage where concentration is required to do both tasks.

Oh come on, watching the house of commons doesn't show you need to even have your brain fully in gear to follow all that is being said.
Most of the time it is pure waffle and in any event all that is said is kept to be looked at for decades to come.

MPs even forget what they have even said in debates at times and often need to be reminded, Prime Ministers and Leaders of parties too have to.
So much for concentration.

[Livia]

What pray is nonsense, that's a bit rude with respect.

I work in law and that is a job and I deal with 2,3.4 and more things at once.
Just what is nonsense and why get at me anyway, I answered bitontheslide who made a comparison as to driving a bus and open heart surgery,which have no comparison to feeding a baby and listening to what is going on.
That is not nonsense however is it not, so how is mine?

I thought it was nonsense that you likened decorating a room while listening to the radio, to doing a professional job while caring for a baby. I wasn't being intentionally rude, Joey.

No one sits at work and just listens to what's going on, what job allows you to do that? Who takes a child to work? Who works with anyone who takes a child to work? Why are we even discussing this when there are so many more valid issues? It's a time waster.

[Livia]

Sorry but with great respect,you clearly know little about law, you can be dealing with more than one case at a time even in different courts too, I talk about magistrates courts which is where my work is done.
Whereby you are even taking calls from others related to future cases coming up too while actively and fully proficiently preparing the case you are due in court with.

You have to multi task and must be able to deal with far more than one thing at a time.
I tell you with no hesitation there is a massive load of information fired at lawyers in courts and outside the court, that they have to not only take on board and concentrate on but in fact deal with too a lot of the time.
Papers are flung at you from all directions and not all just about one single case.

Work on 2 paths at a time, I wish, sometimes it is more like 3,4 and 5 paths I feel myself thinking on while working on in Law.

Do you think you could do all that and care for a baby at the same time?

[Kizzy]

This is turning in to a sketch from Monty Python's Life of Brian.

I'm with Annie. Who takes their kids in to work? I don't know anyone. And moreover, a lot of time and resource is being wasted by Jess Philips, pursuing this frankly ridiculous idea when that time and resource could be put more pressing issues.

Is it, is that because there are some following an ethos without really understanding why?

[joeysteele]

I thought it was nonsense that you likened decorating a room while listening to the radio, to doing a professional job while caring for a baby. I wasn't being intentionally rude, Joey.

No one sits at work and just listens to what's going on, what job allows you to do that? Who takes a child to work? Who works with anyone who takes a child to work? Why are we even discussing this when there are so many more valid issues? It's a time waster.

The House of Commons does.
Often there are many in the chamber and very few are called to speak or even try to speak, all the rest are doing is listening, to the debate.
The only active bit comes at the very end when a division takes place and they have to actually then get up and go and vote through the lobbies.

[Kizzy]

The House of Commons does.
Often there are many in the chamber and very few are called to speak or even try to speak, all the rest are doing is listening, to the debate.
The only active bit comes at the very end when a division takes place and they have to actually then get up and go and vote through the lobbies.

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[Livia]

The House of Commons does.
Often there are many in the chamber and very few are called to speak or even try to speak, all the rest are doing is listening, to the debate.
The only active bit comes at the very end when a division takes place and they have to actually then get up and go and vote through the lobbies.

But that is not their entire job, Joey. It's a tiny fraction of what an MP does as you know. But I'm not just referring to MPs, I'm asking... who is taking their baby to work? Who is employing someone to do a job, while they care for their child? To breast feeding in the Chamber you have to have your baby with you at work. If someone wants to breastfeed in the Stranger's Gallery that's an entirely different thing and as far as I'm concerned.

[joeysteele]

Do you think you could do all that and care for a baby at the same time?

We are talking about feeding a baby and breastfeeding in this thread.
the objection by the MPs was to a baby being breastfed not necessarily the baby being there at all.
had the female MP been bottle feeding there may have been no main grumbling.

Would I take a baby to work no, should a woman who breastfeeds her baby be condemned and pilloried for doing so and feeding her baby when baby needed to be fed, no equally.
It is amazing what people can do when they have to or need to and Mothers are often unsung heroes as to many forms of multi tasking, I know that from watching my own Mum.

[Livia]

We are talking about feeding a baby and breastfeeding in this thread.
the objection by the MPs was to a baby being breastfed not necessarily the baby being there at all.
had the female MP been bottle feeding there may have been no main grumbling.

Would I take a baby to work no, should a woman who breastfeeds her baby be condemned and pilloried for doing so and feeding her baby when baby needed to be fed, no equally.
It is amazing what people can do when they have to or need to and Mothers are often unsung heroes as to many forms of multi tasking, I know that from watching my own Mum.

Yes, my own mother had a career. I don't believe in babies at work at all. That's it, the crux of my opinion. I have nothing more to add.

[joeysteele]

But that is not their entire job, Joey. It's a tiny fraction of what an MP does as you know. But I'm not just referring to MPs, I'm asking... who is taking their baby to work? Who is employing someone to do a job, while they care for their child? To breast feeding in the Chamber you have to have your baby with you at work. If someone wants to breastfeed in the Stranger's Gallery that's an entirely different thing and as far as I'm concerned.

Well who is to say she was carrying the baby around all areas of Parliament anyway.
Do you know if the baby was in the chamber all the time with her and if the baby was why then did some MPs complain only at the feeding arrangement.

She was feeding the baby when it needed it and her baby is being breastfed,why shouldn't she be able to do her job otherwise and still be able to honour her duty as a Mother to breastfeed her baby for a short time when the Baby is content with that.

[joeysteele]

Yes, my own mother had a career. I don't believe in babies at work at all. That's it, the crux of my opinion. I have nothing more to add.

I think if it can be arranged Mothers should be able to take their baby to work,so we disagree on that anyway.
Especially moreso if they are away near all week like MPs are from their home areas,and if they have managed to get their baby breastfed why should the baby have to be forced to take something else as feed just to please some grumbling dinosaurs of a few MPS.

[Kizzy]

I would've thought getting mums to work was the goal...no, not if it means anything remotely progressive in parliament, pfffft!

[Cherie]

Joey, if I ever need help in a legal sense I will be calling on you, your tenacity and ability to put your point across time after time in a polite way, wearing the opposition down in the process is unparalleled :douf: :laugh:

[arista]

Yes, my own mother had a career. I don't believe in babies at work at all. That's it, the crux of my opinion. I have nothing more to add.


Nothing wrong with that view.

[joeysteele]

Joey, if I ever need help in a legal sense I will be calling on you, your tenacity and ability to put your point across time after time in a polite way, wearing the opposition down in the process is unparalleled :douf: :laugh:

:joker:Thank you Cherie.

I always try to do my best for things I believe in and for people I may have to represent at any time or people I have great loyalty to as well.
I won't always succeed but it will never be for the want of trying.
Politeness costs nothing and although people may heavily disagree,nothing either says should be termed as nonsense.
It may well be partly wrong and at times misguided but not nonsense.
That is actually a word I hate.

[kirklancaster]

:joker:Thank you Cherie.

I always try to do my best for things I believe in and for people I may have to represent at any time or people I have great loyalty to as well.
I won't always succeed but it will never be for the want of trying.
Politeness costs nothing and although people may heavily disagree,nothing either says should be termed as nonsense.
It may well be partly wrong and at times misguided but not nonsense.
That is actually a word I hate.

Joey - This 1,000 % sincerely meant; I do not agree with some of your politics, but I would love nothing more, than if you DID stand and become elected to parliament, because the whole institutionally corrupt and inefficient commons NEEDS someone with integrity, genuine comittment, compassion, determination borne of passion, and the ability to self-analyse and change course when he deems himself wrong --- ALL the qualities you possess.

I have NO political affinity -despite what some may think :laugh: - I just vote for whichever candidate/party ticks the most serious boxes for me at the time (and at this time it is Nigel and UKIP) but I mean every word above Joey and you SHOULD now SERIOUSLY determine a political career and actually start putting in place those first steps to securing one.

You will be TRAGICALLY missing your true calling if you do not. Believe me.

[bots]

:joker:Thank you Cherie.

I always try to do my best for things I believe in and for people I may have to represent at any time or people I have great loyalty to as well.
I won't always succeed but it will never be for the want of trying.
Politeness costs nothing and although people may heavily disagree,nothing either says should be termed as nonsense.
It may well be partly wrong and at times misguided but not nonsense.
That is actually a word I hate.

nonsense is equal to I strongly disagree, I wouldn't take it personally Joey. I like to keep abreast of current thinking :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Joey - This 1,000 % sincerely meant; I do not agree with some of your politics, but I would love nothing more, than if you DID stand and become elected to parliament, because the whole institutionally corrupt and inefficient commons NEEDS someone with integrity, genuine comittment, compassion, determination borne of passion, and the ability to self-analyse and change course when he deems himself wrong --- ALL the qualities you possess.

I have NO political affinity -despite what some may think :laugh: - I just vote for whichever candidate/party ticks the most serious boxes for me at the time (and at this time it is Nigel and UKIP) but I mean every word above Joey and you SHOULD now SERIOUSLY determine a political career and actually start putting in place those first steps to securing one.

You will be TRAGICALLY missing your true calling if you do not. Believe me.

Thank you very much Kirk and I am actively pursuing a career in Politics,I fully intend to with the help of those in the party I support to be a candidate in the 2020 election somewhere.
Right now my friend however I will be putting my energy into hopefully persuading some if I can to support staying i the EU in the coming referendum.

That puts you and I at odds rather in the run up to that so I guess a good few strong but hopefully healthy debates between you and I on that one as it gets closer.

At least we both cannot see the fuss as to this issue in this thread.:joker:
All my very best to you Kirk.

[joeysteele]

nonsense is equal to I strongly disagree, I wouldn't take it personally Joey. I like to keep abreast of current thinking :laugh:

Not really, someone could say lets go to Madame Tussauds, thats the best place to go.
Someone else could say no I,(strongly),disagree with that I'd rather we went to Westminster Abbey.
Neither is left as or could/should be termed a nonsense suggestion.

[Kizzy]

nonsense is equal to I strongly disagree, I wouldn't take it personally Joey. I like to keep abreast of current thinking :laugh:

No it really isn't, it suggests points make no sense, in an attempt to render them meaningless.

I see what you did there :)

[Livia]

Not really, someone could say lets go to Madame Tussauds, thats the best place to go.
Someone else could say no I,(strongly),disagree with that I'd rather we went to Westminster Abbey.
Neither is left as or could/should be termed a nonsense suggestion.

Oh come on Joey, you know I wasn't trying to insult you with the word 'nonsense'. I thought you knew me better than that. I have not changed...

[lostalex]

I'm actually surprised at your opinion on this Alex, i thought you were more liberal than that. You think it's better to let a baby cry for half an hour than feed it incase it might embarrass someone?

I just think bodily fluids should not be done in public.

milk, spit, sweat, blood, urine, poo, semen, tears... keep it to yourself and do it behind closed doors please. to me it's a hygiene issue.

No bodily fluids in public please. it's all gross. be considerate of others. if you insist on taking your infant child out, feed them BEFORE you leave the house.

[Niamh.]

I just think bodily fluids should not be done in public.

milk, spit, sweat, blood, urine, poo, semen, tears... keep it to yourself and do it behind closed doors please. to me it's a hygiene issue.

No bodily fluids in public please. it's all gross. be considerate of others. if you insist on taking your infant child out, feed them BEFORE you leave the house.

Alex! :laugh:

[Cherie]

Yes infants are best left home alone :idc: