Just crazy things happening in Israel right now

[Crimson Dynamo]

Random stabbings by Palestinians all over the shop - I have watched like 10 videos of Israelis being randomly stabbed or run over in the last few weeks.. what kind of life is it over there?


The brainwashed kids below are 12 and 13:umm2:
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There has been a spate of stabbings of Israelis by Palestinians since early October, and one apparent revenge stabbing by an Israeli. The attacks, in which some Israelis have died, have struck in Jerusalem and elsewhere, and in the occupied West Bank. Israel has tightened security and clashed with rioting Palestinians, leading to deaths on the Palestinian side. The violence has also spread to the border with Gaza.

After a period of relative quiet, violence between the two communities has spiralled since clashes erupted at a flashpoint Jerusalem holy site in mid-September. It was fuelled by rumours among Palestinians that Israel was attempting to alter a long-standing religious arrangement governing the site. Israel repeatedly dismissed the rumours as incitement. Soon afterwards, two Israelis were shot dead by Palestinians in the West Bank and the stabbing attacks began. Both Israel and the Palestinian authorities have accused one another of doing nothing to protect each other's communities.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34503231


Muslims using religion to excuse murder yet again in the report below they are worried about some building being visited by Israelis so they try and stab as many jews as possible to make it better - unbelievable


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[Kizzy]

Oh it'll all be sorted now Boris has had a word.... what?! It isn't?
Well tell those corduroy wearing lefties to chur...chill!

[bots]

this is what has been brewing in the middle east for the last couple of decades and those that flock to ISIS are just the older generation of them. I honestly think that we either go the slow route of education and protection of these kids or we shoot the crap out of them when they get older ... sad world

[Livia]

This like a normal day in Israel. It's a dangerous place and you're aware of that all the time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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this is crazy

[Livia]

Stuff like this goes on all the time but it's never really reported outside Israel.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Stuff like this goes on all the time but it's never really reported outside Israel.

I only find out about it on Liveleak, it never makes the news here at all

[Kizzy]

As seen with the mail this week how can we be sure the footage is current, where and by whom the attacks are taking place?

[Livia]

I can tell you from personal experience these attacks are frequent and on-going.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Breaking-Security-guard-stabbed-at-Jerusalem-Light-Rail-station-in-Pisgat-Zeev-432566

There have been 60 attacks like this in October. 12 dead and 80 injured

[Kizzy]

How many murder videos do you have to post...
Are there similar acts happening on the other side?

[Crimson Dynamo]

How many murder videos do you have to post...
Are there similar acts happening on the other side?

I have not seen any reports of stabbings and mow downs from the Israel side

[Will.]

Is that Mark Byron (BB15) at 1.25 onwards?

In the bright blue jeans.

[kirklancaster]

As seen with the mail this week how can we be sure the footage is current, where and by whom the attacks are taking place?

FFS - This crap about everything emanating from the 'Mail' being 'suspect' is becoming too tiresome on here to stomach. No wonder SD is a farcical shadow of the forum it was 12 months ago.

OF COURSE the footage is REAL. OF COURSE it's CURRENT. And the attacks are taking place ALL OVER Israel as they have for decades, and being PERPETRATED by PALESTINIAN terrorists - as they have been for decades.

[kirklancaster]

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Breaking-Security-guard-stabbed-at-Jerusalem-Light-Rail-station-in-Pisgat-Zeev-432566

There have been 60 attacks like this in October. 12 dead and 80 injured

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[Kizzy]

FFS - This crap about everything emanating from the 'Mail' being 'suspect' is becoming too tiresome on here to stomach. No wonder SD is a farcical shadow of the forum it was 12 months ago.

OF COURSE the footage is REAL. OF COURSE it's CURRENT. And the attacks are taking place ALL OVER Israel as they have for decades, and being PERPETRATED by PALESTINIAN terrorists - as they have been for decades.

The footage LT posted isn't from the mail is it?
I was referring to footage that was posted in the mail that was found to not be connected to the report.

[Ninastar]

Muslims aren't the victims here??? Ridiculous. Must not be worthy of the news then.

[kirklancaster]

Muslims aren't the victims here??? Ridiculous. Must not be worthy of the news then.

Exactly Caitlin. Exactly.

[Kizzy]

What bizarreness am I being accused of now?

[Ammi]

..those videos are extremely distressing and as Liv said, this is an everyday thing in Israel../their world is something inconceivable to us...Liv, why is this not given media coverage..?..

[Ammi]

...and Liv as well..:hug:..I can't begin to imagine how hard it is for you and also the hurt and frustration that it is given so relatively little attention in the world media..:hug:..

[MTVN]

I think this has been given quite a bit of coverage, violence has of course always been a part of everyday life for many Israelis but there does seem to have been a big upsurge in the recent spate of knife attacks. I read this article the other week which describes it as a 'third intifada': http://www.newstatesman.com/world/middle-east/2015/11/dark-forces-holy-land

After a decade during which the relationship between occupying Israel and the occupied West Bank was relatively calm (Gaza is another matter altogether), violence has returned.

The First Intifada (1987-93) was a popular uprising of stones. The Second Intifada (2000-2004) was a relentless terrorist attack by suicide bombers in which more than 1,000 Israelis and 3,000 Palestinians were killed. The present wave of violence is one of knives, Molotov cocktails and vehicular assault. The number of casualties – dozens to date – is still much lower than in the past because this time the terror is neither organised nor sophisticated. In fact, there is something distinctly desperate about it, even pathetic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The violence comes as clashes have increased in frequency since Israeli security forces began to crack down on Palestinian worshippers at the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem last month.

Hamas' chief in Gaza on Friday called the spreading violence an Intifada, or uprising, and urged further unrest.

In a sermon for weekly Muslim prayers at a mosque in Gaza City, Ismail Haniya said: "We are calling for the strengthening and increasing of the Intifada."

"It is the only path that will lead to liberation," he said. "Gaza will fulfil its role in the Jerusalem Intifada and it is more than ready for confrontation."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/unrest-spreads-gaza-israeli-troops-kill-151010031558627.html

So I think Israel step up security to combat terrorism, Hamas use the mosque/religion as an excuse "this is our holy muslim mosque yada yada you cant stop us going here to murmur under our breaths" and that gives them grievance to call for an Intifada and thus justifying their existence

and so it goes on

[kirklancaster]

The violence comes as clashes have increased in frequency since Israeli security forces began to crack down on Palestinian worshippers at the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem last month.

Hamas' chief in Gaza on Friday called the spreading violence an Intifada, or uprising, and urged further unrest.

In a sermon for weekly Muslim prayers at a mosque in Gaza City, Ismail Haniya said: "We are calling for the strengthening and increasing of the Intifada."

"It is the only path that will lead to liberation," he said. "Gaza will fulfil its role in the Jerusalem Intifada and it is more than ready for confrontation."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/unrest-spreads-gaza-israeli-troops-kill-151010031558627.html

So I think Israel step up security to combat terrorism, Hamas use the mosque/religion as an excuse "this is our holy muslim mosque yada yada you cant stop us going here to murmur under our breaths" and that gives them grievance to call for an Intifada and thus justifying their existence

and so it goes on

No one could have put it better LT.

[Livia]

The violence comes as clashes have increased in frequency since Israeli security forces began to crack down on Palestinian worshippers at the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem last month.

Hamas' chief in Gaza on Friday called the spreading violence an Intifada, or uprising, and urged further unrest.

In a sermon for weekly Muslim prayers at a mosque in Gaza City, Ismail Haniya said: "We are calling for the strengthening and increasing of the Intifada."

"It is the only path that will lead to liberation," he said. "Gaza will fulfil its role in the Jerusalem Intifada and it is more than ready for confrontation."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/unrest-spreads-gaza-israeli-troops-kill-151010031558627.html

So I think Israel step up security to combat terrorism, Hamas use the mosque/religion as an excuse "this is our holy muslim mosque yada yada you cant stop us going here to murmur under our breaths" and that gives them grievance to call for an Intifada and thus justifying their existence

and so it goes on

Jerusalem is hardly touched on in the Quran. Alternatively, Jerusalem, and Israel in general is the place Jews believe was given to them by God. It is our spiritual home and has been for thousands of years before Islam even existed. Many Muslims live and work quite peacefully in Israel, but they are the progressive Muslims, Muslims who don't want to drag the whole world back to the dark ages.

I think the reason there isn't more coverage in the press for Jewish deaths in Israel is that the general consensus is that they deserve it. Every day rockets are fired from Palestine into Israel, sometimes from the roofs of schools and hospitals but it's never in the press. If Israel didn't have an excellent anti-missile system there would be many more deaths.

The only way there is ever going to be peace in the area is for a meaningful dialogue to begin. I can't see that happening any time soon especially when Hamas believes al-Bukhari's Hadith: "The hour of judgement shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'O Muslim, O servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him'."

[Kizzy]

Don't worshippers of all faiths murmur under their breath?

[Livia]

What does that even mean?

[Kizzy]

What does that even mean?

"this is our holy muslim mosque yada yada you cant stop us going here to murmur under our breaths"

It was a response to another comment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Don't worshippers of all faiths murmur under their breath?

I think they do but then I am pretty sure that the, say, Anglicans dont have a terrorist wing that use religion to justify murder on a daily basis


They are more for whist drives

[Kizzy]

I think they do but then I am pretty sure that the, say, Anglicans dont have a terrorist wing that use religion to justify murder on a daily basis


They are more for whist drives

If you ignore inventing a religion, but that's another thread.

[kirklancaster]

I think they do but then I am pretty sure that the, say, Anglicans dont have a terrorist wing that use religion to justify murder on a daily basis


They are more for whist drives

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[Livia]

If you ignore inventing a religion, but that's another thread.

Yes, five hundred years ago. We're talking about now.

[Kizzy]

Yes, five hundred years ago. We're talking about now.

Hang on isn't the whole reason for the fighting due to the land being a gift from god 1000s of years ago, if time is a factor then why is the land dispute relevant and me raising tithe wars not?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hang on isn't the whole reason for the fighting due to the land being a gift from god 1000s of years ago, if time is a factor then why is the land dispute relevant and me raising tithe wars not?

Wasnt it the British who gave them the land after the war?

[Livia]

Wasnt it the British who gave them the land after the war?

If the state of Israel hadn't been invented after the war, the Jews would still have gone there. For a lot of people the only thing that dragged them through the Holocaust was the thought of Israel. Nothing would have stopped them.

[Livia]

Hang on isn't the whole reason for the fighting due to the land being a gift from god 1000s of years ago, if time is a factor then why is the land dispute relevant and me raising tithe wars not?

Do you think that there's any chance at all you could stick to the point? without opening up a myriad of subsidiary diversions?

[Kizzy]

Wasnt it the British who gave them the land after the war?

Apparently not, Livia said god gave them it, post colonialist attitudes can't compete with that.

[Livia]

Apparently not, Livia said god gave them it, post colonialist attitudes can't compete with that.

If you can't hold the obvious ridicule why don't you try Chat and Games?

[Kizzy]

Do you think that there's any chance at all you could stick to the point? without opening up a myriad of subsidiary diversions?

I was responding to points made by LT, I didn't raise Anglicanism.

[Kizzy]

If you can't hold the obvious ridicule why don't you try Chat and Games?

Hang on, all I did was quote what you said in an earlier post.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If the state of Israel hadn't been invented after the war, the Jews would still have gone there. For a lot of people the only thing that dragged them through the Holocaust was the thought of Israel. Nothing would have stopped them.

I know that but also we were involved and the UN its not like the jews just rocked up and said "right hoppit" to the locals!

[Livia]

Hang on, all I did was quote what you said in an earlier post.

Try to stick to the point, Kizzy. I'm not doing this round in circles thing with you today.

[Livia]

I know that but also we were involved and the UN its not like the jews just rocked up and said "right hoppit" to the locals!

I see your point, LT. It did have international weight behind setting up the state.

[Kizzy]

Try to stick to the point, Kizzy. I'm not doing this round in circles thing with you today.

I will respond to posts as I see fit, I've done nothing wrong.

[kirklancaster]

Unless all the evidence from numerous historical sources - THOUSANDS of years old stelas among them - is forged ha ha, then ISRAEL existed for tens of centuries before the Romans re-named the area PALESTINIA as a sneering insult to the conquered Jews.

The Jewish religion - upon which Christianity is founded (Christ being a Jew) - is thousands of years older than Islam, and the TEMPLE MOUNT is called the TEMPLE MOUNT because that is the site of the TEMPLE OF SOLOMAN, which was built there thousands of years BEFORE ISLAM was invented by Muhammad let alone before any DOME OF THE ROCK had been built.

No one really GAVE the Jews ANYTHING - ISRAEL is theirs by birthright, historical possession and irrefutable evidence, and the Jews were merely returning to their OWN land.

[Kizzy]

I see your point, LT. It did have international weight behind setting up the state.

Did it create a Palestinian refugee crisis?

[Kizzy]

Unless all the evidence from numerous historical sources - THOUSANDS of years old stelas among them - is forged ha ha, then ISRAEL existed for tens of centuries before the Romans re-named the area PALESTINIA as a sneering insult to the conquered Jews.

The Jewish religion - upon which Christianity is founded (Christ being a Jew) - is thousands of years older than Islam, and the TEMPLE MOUNT is called the TEMPLE MOUNT because that is the site of the TEMPLE OF SOLOMAN, which was built there thousands of years BEFORE ISLAM was invented by Muhammad let alone before any DOME OF THE ROCK had been built.

No one really GAVE the Jews ANYTHING - ISRAEL is theirs by birthright, historical possession and irrefutable evidence, and the Jews were merely returning to their OWN land.

By the same token we could demand Africa as we all migrated from there 1000s of years ago, would that make us usurpers?

[kirklancaster]

Did it create a Palestinian refugee crisis?

NO - The Arabs themselves created the 'Palestinian Refugee Crisis'.

[Kizzy]

NO - The Arabs themselves created the 'Palestinian Refugee Crisis'.

How and why?

[kirklancaster]

By the same token we could demand Africa as we all migrated from there 1000s of years ago, would that make us usurpers?

:facepalm:

No we could not, that is just ridiculous. A better analogy would be the Lakota Sioux Indians reclaiming Minnesota or Dakota from the all conquering savage 'palefaces' who lied and cheated and murdered and massacred their way to stealing those lands (and more) from them.

[Kizzy]

:facepalm:

No we could not, that is just ridiculous. A better analogy would be the Lakota Sioux Indians reclaiming Minnesota or Dakota from the all conquering savage 'palefaces' who lied and cheated and murdered and massacred their way to stealing those lands (and more) from them.

Is it? But our ancestors were there first.
If the descendants of the Sioux Indians were to attempt to take back the land they would be justified?

[kirklancaster]

Is it? But our ancestors were there first.
If the descendants of the Sioux Indians were to attempt to take back the land they would be justified?

Well, perhaps in light of the fact that the US Government have been paying billions of dollars in 'compensation' to the native American Indians for decades now, I think the answer is YES.

[Kizzy]

Well, perhaps in light of the fact that the US Government have been paying billions of dollars in 'compensation' to the native American Indians for decades now, I think the answer is YES.

Did the British offer compensation to the Palestinians post war?

[Livia]

The Jews never left Israel. And we never will.

[kirklancaster]

The Jews never left Israel. And we never will.

This is actually so true, For thousands of years - under the occupying forces of various conquerers - the Jews have maintained a presence in their native land.

[Kizzy]

The Jews never left Israel. And we never will.

'If the state of Israel hadn't been invented after the war, the Jews would still have gone there'.

How can they go there if they never left?

[Brother Leon]

Only so much of seeing their friends and family killed that they could take before they unfortunately became radicalised really. Sad state of affairs for both sides.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Only so much of seeing their friends and family killed that they could take before they unfortunately became radicalised really. Sad state of affairs for both sides.

Who killed whos family?

[Kizzy]

It is, storming into hospitals now :(

[bots]

I can only speak for myself, but I want to be informed when people are being randomly stabbed in a country. I don't care who did what, what religion or race the victims are, its still not right. This is a news forum, and it ranks as an informing article to me, which by definition is news.

[joeysteele]

This is all very sad and really bad that the norm is to have to live with these occurrences and unnecessary loss of lives.
While I agree that the Palestinians should have their own existence secured with and as a Nation too,which I accept is blocked in the main by Israel.

My sympathies do however lie with Israel in the main,Israelis are persecuted and condemned by most of the Nations around them and their existence of having to always watch all sides continuously must be a nightmare most of the time.
Something even the setting up of a Palestinian state will not completely eradicate either very sadly.

[Niamh.]

Reopening this, I've deleted half of the thread so can we please try and discuss the topic without discussing eachother this time?

[the truth]

Trouble is whoevers side you're on, the whole thing is a disaster and appears to be part of what is leading to Armageddon. The recent times seem worse than ever and the leadership appear to be incapable of finding any compromise or peaceful solution.

[Northern Monkey]

Awful.I saw a BBC news report quite recently where an Israely woman was with her young child and a Palestinian ran up behind her and stabbed her like nine times.As she fell to the ground begging for help and for somebody to take her child to safety the Palestinian women around either ignored her or some were chanting "die die" at her.Horrible.