Muslim couple attacked in Scotland

[EspeonBB]

Mohammed Khalid and his wife run the Caspian Fast Food outlet on Wellesley Road in Methil.

They were set upon by a group of around 15 people in the early hours of Sunday as they closed up.

Mr Khalid, 53, required hospital treatment for a serious injury to his eye and his wife suffered minor injuries as she tried to help him.

The couple claim the men involved in the attack repeatedly cited the Paris terrorist incidents, Islamic State (IS), terrorism and subjected them to racist abuse.

http://news.stv.tv/east-central/1332573-takeaway-owners-attacked-by-mob-of-15-citing-revenge-for-paris/

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It's sad but I think this is only the beginning of increased Islamaphobia and attacks on innocent Muslims. I think thugs like the ones in the video don't realise that they are doing exactly what ISIS wants, considering ISIS want it to be a war between Muslims and the West :bored:

[Marsh.]

****ing scum. :bored:

[Crimson Dynamo]

****ing scum. :bored:

They are just trying to make a living

[Denver]

These is why Britain disgraces me

[Samm]

Disgusting.

[GiRTh]

Scotland eh?

[Ammi]

These is why Britain disgraces me

..isn't that the same vein of thought though Adam...to feel that it's a collective country or religion who represent the actions of a few idiots who do these things...they don't represent Britain, they only represent hate as well....

[Dollface]

..isn't that the same vein of thought though Adam...to feel that it's a collective country or religion who represent the actions of a few idiots who do these things...they don't represent Britain, they only represent hate as well....

:clap1:

[arista]

Nasty Punks

[Ross.]

..isn't that the same vein of thought though Adam...to feel that it's a collective country or religion who represent the actions of a few idiots who do these things...they don't represent Britain, they only represent hate as well....

Ammi :clap1:

[Denver]

..isn't that the same vein of thought though Adam...to feel that it's a collective country or religion who represent the actions of a few idiots who do these things...they don't represent Britain, they only represent hate as well....

It's pretty common you know, we are meant to be one of the most educated countries yet we can't tell the difference between Terrorist and genuine Muslims living life just like everyone else.

[Amy Jade]

Disgusting, why dis nobody try and stop them either?

[Headie]

..isn't that the same vein of thought though Adam...to feel that it's a collective country or religion who represent the actions of a few idiots who do these things...they don't represent Britain, they only represent hate as well....

:clap1:

[Tom4784]

Stupid inbred bastards, I hope the law comes down on them like a ton of bricks. Cowards.

[erinp5]

Ignorant thugs who certainly do NOT represent the Scottish people....

[Pete.]

Horrific

[Crimson Dynamo]

Relax people its in Fife

Run of the mill Saturday night in the coal toons o' Fife

[joeysteele]

..isn't that the same vein of thought though Adam...to feel that it's a collective country or religion who represent the actions of a few idiots who do these things...they don't represent Britain, they only represent hate as well....

Excellent points,you always make me think Ammi.:wavey:

[Livia]

Angry mob standing up for bigoted, uneducated non-thinkers everywhere.

[Firewire]

isn't Babayaro from there?

[Livia]

Imagining that these people are representative of Scotland is like saying IS is representative of Islam.

[Firewire]

:clap1:

[Jose Mourinho]

So dumb and cowardly, they all had a bit to drink, most of them too ugly to pull and get laid, so they decide to attack an innocent couple. I think most of us are intelligent enough to know that not EVERY muslim is a terrorist, it is just a shame we have people like that in our society.

[mooo]

isn't Babayaro from there?

Who's that?

[Firewire]

Who's that?

a member on here

[JoshBB]

Vile. This is another reason why these terrorist attacks are so awful - apart from the obvious. Innocent muslims get attacked because of racist idiots.

[Kizzy]

Ignorance is never bliss.

[Kizzy]

'Scottish councils are adamant that the Paris attacks will have “no effect whatsoever” on plans to welcome Syrian refugees arriving in Scotland tomorrow, after far-right demonstrators clashed with refugee rights activists at the weekend.

Members of the Scottish Defence League gathered in the village of Monkton, south Ayrshire, on Sunday afternoon, claiming to have been approached by residents who were unhappy at speculation that refugees were being given emergency accommodation at a nearby hotel.

Fuad Alakbarov, a human rights activist from Glasgow, said that the SDL protest was drowned out by a counter-demonstration of up to two hundred people, attended mainly by locals in support of the resettlement plans.'

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/16/paris-attacks-no-effect-plans-welcome-syria-refugees-scotland

[JoshBB]

'Scottish councils are adamant that the Paris attacks will have “no effect whatsoever” on plans to welcome Syrian refugees arriving in Scotland tomorrow, after far-right demonstrators clashed with refugee rights activists at the weekend.

Members of the Scottish Defence League gathered in the village of Monkton, south Ayrshire, on Sunday afternoon, claiming to have been approached by residents who were unhappy at speculation that refugees were being given emergency accommodation at a nearby hotel.

Fuad Alakbarov, a human rights activist from Glasgow, said that the SDL protest was drowned out by a counter-demonstration of up to two hundred people, attended mainly by locals in support of the resettlement plans.'

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/16/paris-attacks-no-effect-plans-welcome-syria-refugees-scotland

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Poor scotland though.. didn't know they had their own version of EDL idiots too.

[Kizzy]

:clap1:

Poor scotland though.. didn't know they had their own version of EDL idiots too.

What I have noticed from the French is they are not blaming the refugees, and in Scotland too they welcome those who need our aid and life carries on as before.

[mooo]

a member on here

Oh okay, I'm from there too :blush:

[Niamh.]

Saw this video pop up on FB

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[Niamh.]

Probably not the right thread but it's kind of with the topic :laugh:

[Kizzy]

It would do well in a thread with a bit more traffic Niamh
She makes a great point. ( They don't reckon much to us there do they?) :laugh:

[Niamh.]

It would do well in a thread with a bit more traffic Niamh
She makes a great point. ( They don't reckon much to us there do they?) :laugh:

She does make good points and I think this is really what needs to happen, more speaking out against ISIS from Muslims themselves and we should all be standing together, what ISIS is hoping is for stories like the one in this thread and the one about that salon owner, to divide us all even more and create hate and distrust

[BB4fan]

Some people are just *******.

[Crimson Dynamo]

lol at the interviewer trying to get her to blame the west

she is only saying what the average normal non-brainwashed arab thinks

[Tom4784]

She does make good points and I think this is really what needs to happen, more speaking out against ISIS from Muslims themselves and we should all be standing together, what ISIS is hoping is for stories like the one in this thread and the one about that salon owner, to divide us all even more and create hate and distrust

There's a lot of cases of Muslims speaking out about Isis though but you don't see too much of it in the general media since there's more money to be made from demonsing Islam as a whole.

[Niamh.]

There's a lot of cases of Muslims speaking out about Isis though but you don't see too much of it in the general media since there's more money to be made from demonsing Islam as a whole.

It's the only to beat this thing properly imo

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's a lot of cases of Muslims speaking out about Isis though but you don't see too much of it in the general media since there's more money to be made from demonsing Islam as a whole.

so how come you see it?

[Niamh.]

so how come you see it?

I don't want to speak for Dezzy but I would take him to mean Newspapers, TV etc as general media rather than Social Media which is where I saw this video :shrug:

[Livia]

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[Niamh.]

I've seen that one before Livia, yeah I think maybe that girl should take her advice but I also understand it must be hard for Muslims in western countries too who feel blamed for the actions of the minority

[kirklancaster]

She does make good points and I think this is really what needs to happen, more speaking out against ISIS from Muslims themselves and we should all be standing together, what ISIS is hoping is for stories like the one in this thread and the one about that salon owner, to divide us all even more and create hate and distrust

:worship: Non-political Perception personified.

[kirklancaster]

Ry3NzkAOo3s

Brigitte is a Godess.

[Kizzy]

Ry3NzkAOo3s

Urgh this monologue is monotonous, her attacking stance based on the womens point is unnecessary, and it missed the point.
That being that attention needs to be drawn to the problem of demonasation in communities... as seen in the OP.
It is this that finally the powers that be in the UK are beginning to realise is the biggest tool in the counter terrorism arsenal within the western world.

Right news right now?... bang on right

[Niamh.]

Urgh this monologue is monotonous, her attacking stance based on the womens point is unnecessary, and it missed the point.
That being that attention needs to be drawn to the problem of demonasation in communities... as seen in the OP.
It is this that finally the powers that be in the UK are beginning to realise is the biggest tool in the counter terrorism arsenal within the western world.

Yeah exactly. I mean I do understand her frustrations but she's not dealt with it properly imo She could have gotten the exact same point across without scolding her and probably further alienating her

[Northern Monkey]

Saw this video pop up on FB

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She's very wise.

[Northern Monkey]

Ry3NzkAOo3s

Saw that before.She is very wise too.

[Livia]

Saw that before.She is very wise too.

Chaos, our lovely Caitlin, posted this a while back. So much sense, I thought it needed a re-airing.

[GiRTh]

Didnt Brigitte Gabriel once say Islam teaches terrorism. I'm pretty sure it doenst but that gives us an insight into her stance.

[Livia]

Didn Brigitte Gabriel once say Islam teaches terrorism. I'm pretty sure it doesn't but that gives us an insight into her stance.

Muslim believe that, unlike the Bible, the Quran is literally the word of God. Look at some peace-loving passages. If that's what she said, she's nearer the mark than you think:

Kill any one who insults Islam or Mohamed. (Koran.33;57-61)

Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57)

Muslims must fight (jihad)non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216)

We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166)

We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51)

We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101)

We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slaves. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30)

We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6)

Muslim must terrorize us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhar)

[Kizzy]

"Because Europe ignored the Islamic cancer of terrorism and radicalism rising within its midst for the last 30 or 40 years, look at what they're dealing with today," Gabriel said.

"Europe could've dealt with the problem very early on in the 80s when the Islamists began organizing, especially after they brought in their family members … started multiplying … started using the government's welfare system to basically grow their families.'

Cancer? ..

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/Brigitte-Gabriel-Anjem-Choudary-Islam/2015/01/08/id/617344/

[Niamh.]

Muslim believe that, unlike the Bible, the Quran is literally the word of God. Look at some peace-loving passages. If that's what she said, she's nearer the mark than you think:

Kill any one who insults Islam or Mohamed. (Koran.33;57-61)

Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57)

Muslims must fight (jihad)non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216)

We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166)

We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51)

We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101)

We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slaves. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30)

We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6)

Muslim must terrorize us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhar)

You could quote equally barbaric passages from the Bible though. If all Muslims followed all those passages to the letter, there wouldn't be many people left in the world but obviously, just like most Christians they don't follow it to the letter

[GiRTh]

Muslim believe that, unlike the Bible, the Quran is literally the word of God. Look at some peace-loving passages. If that's what she said, she's nearer the mark than you think:

Kill any one who insults Islam or Mohamed. (Koran.33;57-61)

Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57)

Muslims must fight (jihad)non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216)

We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166)

We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51)

We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101)

We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slaves. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30)

We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6)

Muslim must terrorize us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhar)

http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html

http://discover.islamway.net/articles.php?article_id=47

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/55455

For any article you find anyone can find a several to counter it.

[Livia]

You could quote equally barbaric passages from the Bible though. If all Muslims followed all those passages to the letter, there wouldn't be many people left in the world but obviously, just like most Christians they don't follow it to the letter

Like I said... the difference between the Bible and the Quran is that Muslims believe it is literally, the word of God.

[GiRTh]

Like I said... the difference between the Bible and the Quran is that Muslims believe it is literally, the word of God.SOme Christians interpret the bible literally too.

[Livia]

http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html

http://discover.islamway.net/articles.php?article_id=47

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/55455

For any article you find anyone can find a several to counter it.

Hmm... you're countering actual quotes from the Quran with Islam-centric explanations.

[Livia]

SOme Christians interpret the bible literally too.

I think Christians believe Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, St Paul etc... are the authors of the new Testament. Not God himself.

[Denver]

Muslim believe that, unlike the Bible, the Quran is literally the word of God. Look at some peace-loving passages. If that's what she said, she's nearer the mark than you think:

Kill any one who insults Islam or Mohamed. (Koran.33;57-61)

Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57)

Muslims must fight (jihad)non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216)

We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166)

We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51)

We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101)

We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slaves. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30)

We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6)

Muslim must terrorize us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhar)

It also says Don't kill Children, Women, Handicapped, Don't disfigure someone, don't start a war.

I think it's far to say terrorist are not strong believers in the Kuran there just fanatics

[Niamh.]

Like I said... the difference between the Bible and the Quran is that Muslims believe it is literally, the word of God.

That's not much different to believing that the apostles wrote the Bible going directly by the Son of Gods teaching though both are a stretch imo but either way even if they do believe that it is the word of God, they don't all do as they're told by him then do they?otherwise they would all be out on the streets killing us, not just the Terrorist Groups, all Muslims would be :shrug:

[GiRTh]

Hmm... you're countering actual quotes from the Quran with Islam-centric explanations.Why not. Not everyone has to take the text literally.

[Livia]

It also says Don't kill Children, Women, Handicappe, Don't disfigure someone, don't start a war.

I think it's far to say terrorist are not strong believers in the Kuran there just fanatics

I'd like to see the verse numbers, Adam. Just for my own interest.

But you're right what you say about them being fanatics. The sad fact is that there are millions of them that believe it.

[Niamh.]

Why not. Not everyone has to take the text literally.

Of course not, How many times have we heard that the Bible shouldn't be taken so literally or when they just completely disregarded the Old testament etc. Personally I think they're all a load of **** but you can't say one is worse than the other imo, they both have horrific things written in them and they both have some followers who use them as a reason to drive some hate fuelled attack on people and they both have a majority of followers who do not

[Livia]

That's not much different to believing that the apostles wrote the Bible going directly by the Son of Gods teaching though both are a stretch imo but either way even if they do believe that it is the word of God, they don't all do as they're told by him then do they?otherwise they would all be out on the streets killing us, not just the Terrorist Groups, all Muslims would be :shrug:

No, it's totally different.

Educated, forward-thinking Muslims may look at it the say you're saying. Sadly it's not those Muslims that we are at war with. And we are at war... The Muslims who want us all dead have also killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of moderate Muslims.

[Livia]

Of course not, How many times have we heard that the Bible shouldn't be taken so literally or when they just completely disregarded the Old testament etc. Personally I think they're all a load of **** but you can't say one is worse than the other imo, they both have horrific things written in them and they both have some followers who use them as a reason to drive some hate fuelled attack on people and they both have a majority of followers who do not

Becasue it is an interpretation of God's word, not literally God's word.

[GiRTh]

I'd like to see the verse numbers, Adam. Just for my own interest.

But you're right what you say about them being fanatics. The sad fact is that there are millions of them that believe it.

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

Numbers 31:17-18

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Heres just a couple but there are loads of silly bible quotes that we can have giggle at and ask ourselves how could anyone take this text literally.

[Denver]

I'd like to see the verse numbers, Adam. Just for my own interest.

But you're right what you say about them being fanatics. The sad fact is that there are millions of them that believe it.

I don't know the verse number but I got it from someone who posted it on Facebook over the weekend and I have no reason to not believe them.

[Kizzy]

If we are such a progressive forward thinking Christian society then what's all the eye for an eye stuff in the OP about?.........

[GiRTh]

Becasue it is an interpretation of God's word, not literally God's word.So are you saying that mulsims must take the text literally?

[Livia]

If we are such a progressive forward thinking Christian society then what's all the eye for an eye stuff in the OP about?.........

I don't know I'm not a Christian. Although the eye for an eye thing is Old Testament and not really much to do with Christianity.

[Livia]

So are you saying that mulsims must take the text literally?

I am not having a downer on ALL Muslims here. I'm telling you what the Quran says, and also that the backward-thinking Muslims who're doing their damnedest to drag us all back to the dark ages swallow every word. So when people tell me it's a religion of peace it doesn't ring that true to me.

[GiRTh]

I am not having a downer on ALL Muslims here. I'm telling you what the Quran says, and also that the backward-thinking Muslims who're doing their damnedest to drag us all back to the dark ages swallow every word. So when people tell me it's a religion of peace it doesn't ring that true to me.but surely you know the text, as with most religions, cannot be taken literally.

[Livia]

but surely you know the text, as with most religions, cannot be taken literally.

Yeah, I feel like I've said this a dozen times now. Unlike other religions, the Quran is believed by Muslims to be the direct, literal word of God. And the fundamentalists and nutters hang on to that... it's their Justification. More moderate, more educated Muslims are not of that mind, but they're not the ones who are fighting us. It's people like Islamic Jihad, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Abu Sayyaf, Al-Badr, Lashkar-e-taiba, Ansaru, Abdullah Azzan… and all the other nutters who are killing not just us, but more moderate Muslims too who have suffered terribly as a result.

[Kizzy]

I don't know I'm not a Christian. Although the eye for an eye thing is Old Testament and not really much to do with Christianity.

Question: My non-Jewish friends tell me that they think Judaism is wrong because it teaches one that an eye for an eye is the right way instead of turning the other cheek. Are they correct in their assessment of the Jewish religion? Is eye for an eye a part of Judaism and beliefs?

Answer: The quote, “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” comes from our Torah, our bible. It may be found in Leviticus 24:20


http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-category/the-jewish-legal-system/?p=3510

[Livia]

Question: My non-Jewish friends tell me that they think Judaism is wrong because it teaches one that an eye for an eye is the right way instead of turning the other cheek. Are they correct in their assessment of the Jewish religion? Is eye for an eye a part of Judaism and beliefs?

Answer: The quote, “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” comes from our Torah, our bible. It may be found in Leviticus 24:20


http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-category/the-jewish-legal-system/?p=3510

You realise we're talking about terrorist Muslims here, right? Unless you want to make this a general religion thing, in which case, start a thread.

[Kizzy]

I am not having a downer on ALL Muslims here. I'm telling you what the Quran says, and also that the backward-thinking Muslims who're doing their damnedest to drag us all back to the dark ages swallow every word. So when people tell me it's a religion of peace it doesn't ring that true to me.

You've effectively demonised every Muslim then due to the content of ancient text, which every faith has and fundamentalists which again every faith has.

[GiRTh]

Yeah, I feel like I've said this a dozen times now. Unlike other religions, the Quran is believed by Muslims to be the direct, literal word of God. And the fundamentalists and nutters hang on to that... it's their Justification. More moderate, more educated Muslims are not of that mind, but they're not the ones who are fighting us. It's people like Islamic Jihad, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Abu Sayyaf, Al-Badr, Lashkar-e-taiba, Ansaru, Abdullah Azzan… and all the other nutters who are killing not just us, but more moderate Muslims too who have suffered terribly as a result.And some Christians think they talk directly to God. Both sets of people are insane and their actions dont reflect the majority of their religion.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I feel like I've said this a dozen times now. Unlike other religions, the Quran is believed by Muslims to be the direct, literal word of God. And the fundamentalists and nutters hang on to that... it's their Justification. More moderate, more educated Muslims are not of that mind, but they're not the ones who are fighting us. It's people like Islamic Jihad, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Abu Sayyaf, Al-Badr, Lashkar-e-taiba, Ansaru, Abdullah Azzan… and all the other nutters who are killing not just us, but more moderate Muslims too who have suffered terribly as a result.

I know what you're saying but I don't think that if it was instead written by a prophet who had direct contact with God (ie the Bible) that it would be any different for those fundamentalists. Like do you think that those fundamentalists only exist because the Quran is supposedly written by God himself and if it was written by a prophet who spoke to God then they would not exist? Nah

[Kizzy]

You realise we're talking about terrorist Muslims here, right? Unless you want to make this a general religion thing, in which case, start a thread.

Don't blame me, I wasn't the one to start quoting scripture.

[Livia]

You've effectively demonised every Muslim then due to the content of ancient text, which every faith has and fundamentalists which again every faith has.

Well, I guess every other faith doesn't have legions of people blowing up other people, terrorising cities and communities, raping, bombing, enslaving and all the other things Muslim terrorists feel that their holy book gives them the right to do. Islam may well be a religion of peace, but when you've got hundreds of thousands killing in its name, it seems a little disingenuous to me.

[Livia]

I know what you're saying but I don't think that if it was instead written by a prophet who had direct contact with God (ie the Bible) that it would be any different for those fundamentalists. Like do you think that those fundamentalists only exist because the Quran is supposedly written by God himself and if it was written by a prophet who spoke to God then they would not exist? Nah

I believe that they were indoctrinated by people who used that to hammer home their beliefs. And they still use it.

[Niamh.]

I believe that they were indoctrinated by people who used that to hammer home their beliefs. And they still use it.

Yeah that's for sure but they would still have used the book literally to indoctrinate regardless of whether it was written by God or a prophet speaking Gods wishes/words, just like other religions have done in the past (and probably still do)

[Livia]

Yeah that's for sure but they would still have used the book literally to indoctrinate regardless of whether it was written by God or a prophet speaking Gods wishes/words, just like other religions have done in the past (and probably still do)

Maybe... but the fact is they didn't have to. Islam is home to the most wanted men on Earth, to hundreds of factions of terrorist killers, to people who kill other Muslims because they differ slightly in their thinking, to people who torture other human beings to death, people carrying out FGM, who deny women education and even medical attention in some places in the world... the only thing that will change this is education, and that's the last thing the terrorists and their leaders want, people thinking for themselves. Moderate Muslims I know are instrumental in trying to change these things... which is why they themselves are targets. The fundamentalists want, need, people to believe that God wants it this way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And some Christians think they talk directly to God. Both sets of people are insane and their actions dont reflect the majority of their religion.

whooooa

all Christians think they speak directly to God every time they pray

That IS Christianity

[GiRTh]

whooooa

all Christians think they speak directly to God every time they pray

That IS Christianity
Exactly. So at any given time God is hearing all the prayers from all the Christians around the world.

[Kizzy]

Well, I guess every other faith doesn't have legions of people blowing up other people, terrorising cities and communities, raping, bombing, enslaving and all the other things Muslim terrorists feel that their holy book gives them the right to do. Islam may well be a religion of peace, but when you've got hundreds of thousands killing in its name, it seems a little disingenuous to me.

Every fundamentalist latches on to outmoded religious ideology it's the remit, so yes every other faith does have or has had these issues, Islam currently has them on a grand scale.
It remains a religion of peace, as does every other faith when factions hijack them for conflict in the name of god.

[Mystic Mock]

It's disgusting tbh, although I've heard that the Irish had it similar during the IRA days, it's a shame that some people are so thick that they judge a book by it's cover.

[Cherie]

It's disgusting tbh, although I've heard that the Irish had it similar during the IRA days, it's a shame that some people are so thick that they judge a book by it's cover.

This is true some people are forever ignorant.

[kirklancaster]

..isn't that the same vein of thought though Adam...to feel that it's a collective country or religion who represent the actions of a few idiots who do these things...they don't represent Britain, they only represent hate as well....

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Mystic Mock]

This is true some people are forever ignorant.

I agree with you.

I mean don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with being cautious, but what's with the physical violence and the harassment, and demonisation that they seem to be getting?

[kirklancaster]

Every fundamentalist latches on to outmoded religious ideology it's the remit, so yes every other faith does have or has had these issues, Islam currently has them on a grand scale.
It remains a religion of peace, as does every other faith when factions hijack them for conflict in the name of god.

This post actually shows an alarming lack of knowledge of Islam, how it initiated, how it grew and what the Quran REALLY states in its 700 pages - in addition to other Religions too unfortunately.

[kirklancaster]

whooooa

all Christians think they speak directly to God every time they pray

That IS Christianity

Yeah, but FORTUNATELY, no Christians are praying to God to guarantee their bloody, inhuman subjugtion of the world in his name and the slaughter of all those humans who are NOT Christian.

There is NOT one single word in the Christian New Testament which advocates injustice, intolerance, violence or murder - exactly the opposite to be frank.

Islam and Christianity are Polar Opposite Religions, and only the truly ignorant state otherwise.

As with Islam, there have been, and are Extremists, but unlike Islam, these demented devils cannot find ANY text within the New Testament which DECREES and SANCTIONS murder, or which is of sufficient 'ambiguity' that it can be 'misinterpreted' as a means to justify the horrific bloodlust which we are witnessing from ISIS now.

[kirklancaster]

These cretins who are attacking ordinary Muslims need serious punishment within the law.

I have a very strong feeling that the majority of, if not ALL of these bullying bastards, are not REALLY acting in some 'knee-jerk' reactionary manner because of unbridled anger at the latest ISIS atrocities in Paris, but rather that they are just violent thugs who are using those atrocities as an excuse to justify their bigoted hatred.

Attacks on Muslims solely because they ARE Muslims will solve nothing and is as despicable as the abhorrent anti-semitic attacks on innocent Jews which have been manifest throughout Europe for decades.

These violent crimes of 'Islamophobia' is where the government of the UK do need to take off the kid gloves and be seen to stamp on the necks of the ignorant moronic thugs found guilty of perpetrating it, with absolutely NO MERCY.

The sinister shadows of Nuremberg type rallies beckon if they do not.

[Niamh.]

It's disgusting tbh, although I've heard that the Irish had it similar during the IRA days, it's a shame that some people are so thick that they judge a book by it's cover.

Yep, probably not to the same extent as in it wasn't a kind of a "worldwide" thing like this is but even in the 90's when I was in England I had to deal with a lot of bigotry because of my nationality (*most people were lovely though)

[Niamh.]

Yeah, but FORTUNATELY, no Christians are praying to God to guarantee their bloody, inhuman subjugtion of the world in his name and the slaughter of all those humans who are NOT Christian.

There is NOT one single word in the Christian New Testament which advocates injustice, intolerance, violence or murder - exactly the opposite to be frank.

Islam and Christianity are Polar Opposite Religions, and only the truly ignorant state otherwise.

As with Islam, there have been, and are Extremists, but unlike Islam, these demented devils cannot find ANY text within the New Testament which DECREES and SANCTIONS murder, or which is of sufficient 'ambiguity' that it can be 'misinterpreted' as a means to justify the horrific bloodlust which we are witnessing from ISIS now.

New Testament being the operative word, I don't get why Christians decide one book is perfectly true but the other is not :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

New Testament being the operative word, I don't get why Christians decide one book is perfectly true but the other is not :laugh:

:laugh: I'm not going there. :laugh: But genuine thanks that you (at least ) do appreciate the difference. :laugh: Now, I'm just waiting for my dear friend LT. :joker:

[Niamh.]

:laugh: I'm not going there. :laugh: But genuine thanks that you (at least ) do appreciate the difference. :laugh: Now, I'm just waiting for my dear friend LT. :joker:

I think you've misunderstood me, I don't see a difference at all lol That's my whole point but yes that's an argument for another thread

[kirklancaster]

I think you've misunderstood me, I don't see a difference at all lol That's my whole point but yes that's an argument for another thread

Yes you DO see a difference though, because you stated: "New Testament being the operative word" :laugh:

Anyway, I am in a particularly festive, loving mood with you at the moment, so I am not spoiling it. :blush:

[Niamh.]

Yes you DO see a difference though, because you stated: "New Testament being the operative word" :laugh:

Anyway, I am in a particularly festive, loving mood with you at the moment, so I am not spoiling it. :blush:

Yes, Christians disregarded part of the Bible when it didn't suit them, same book, different section, cherry picking

[Kizzy]

This post actually shows an alarming lack of knowledge of Islam, how it initiated, how it grew and what the Quran REALLY states in its 700 pages - in addition to other Religions too unfortunately.

I don't profess to be an expert on Islam or any religion so that's fine.
Why don't you enlighten me then?
There has already in the thread been quotes from many holy books and they all have their faults, they all too have those who use their respective faith to promote their own twisted ideology.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is a bit of a kick in the teeth to Judaism that christians rather dismiss the OT and big up the NT

[kirklancaster]

It is a bit of a kick in the teeth to Judaism that christians rather dismiss the OT and big up the NT

:laugh: Stirring Git. Me and Liv are fine with it. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

I don't profess to be an expert on Islam or any religion so that's fine.
Why don't you enlighten me then?
There has already in the thread been quotes from many holy books and they all have their faults, they all too have those who use their respective faith to promote their own twisted ideology.

Kizzy - There are dozens of posts on this -- some of them (too) lengthy from me, on past threads where we all (including you) argued furiously (and it seems, futiley) over these very subjects.

[Kizzy]

You might consider your post futile I don't see mine that way. I wouldn't say I'd argued furiously over anything.
I have my say as we all do.

[kirklancaster]

You might consider your post futile I don't see mine that way. I wouldn't say I'd argued furiously over anything.
I have my say as we all do.

Where did I SAY that you shouldn't have your say?????

And I didn't say Your post or my post or anyone's post was futile - I said ARGUING ferociously was futile (if further down the line the facts and figures presented in a post has had so little impact on those involved in the arguing, that the same questions are asked again and the same ignorance professed - hence the; "It seems" in brackets).

Please try to stop misrepresenting everything I say, every time I post because it is seriously starting to depress me.

Please. I WANT to debate and discuss not forever defend myself or argue.

[empire]

this goes both ways, non muslims can't walk into an area that is majority muslim, at night, because you could be attacked, same thing if a muslim female walked into a working class area that is non muslim and white, the problem is that the muslims in britain, do not integrate, and they do not understand that they are just making life harder for themselves, and they play into the hands of the far right, are leaders have pushed people to the brink of mistrust, and anger, that both ends do not trust each other and that can cause conflict,

[Kizzy]

Where did I SAY that you shouldn't have your say?????

And I didn't say Your post or my post or anyone's post was futile - I said ARGUING ferociously was futile (if further down the line the facts and figures presented in a post has had so little impact on those involved in the arguing, that the same questions are asked again and the same ignorance professed - hence the; "It seems" in brackets).

Please try to stop misrepresenting everything I say, every time I post because it is seriously starting to depress me.

Please. I WANT to debate and discuss not forever defend myself or argue.

You're suggesting I don't know enough on Islam to comment on the thread, and you've suggested you do, I get it.

[kirklancaster]

You're suggesting I don't know enough on Islam to comment on the thread, and you've suggested you do, I get it.

:laugh: If you like IDC.:cool:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

So dumb! Let's beat up a random Muslim couple that sure sorts out Isis doesn't it. I suppose beating up a random white kid here will stop the mass shootings from white kids!