UN Agrees To Combat Isis Threat 'By All Means'

[arista]

So Will Some Labour
and the SNP stop the PM on a Vote.


To be honest the 6 planes that may bomb Syria
are not needed
as USA , Russia and France have it covered,


SkyNewsHD just reported
estimated 60 Labour MP's would back the Vote to Air Bomb.

http://news.sky.com/story/1591572/un-agrees-to-combat-is-threat-by-all-means

[joeysteele]

Excellent news and for me the PM if he makes the case for action now should be supported as to it, still allowing people to follow their own consciences on the issue however.

[kirklancaster]

So Will Some Labour
and the SNP stop the PM on a Vote.


To be honest the 6 planes that may bomb Syria
are not needed
as USA , Russia and France have it covered,


SkyNewsHD just reported
estimated 60 Labour MP's would back the Vote to Air Bomb.

http://news.sky.com/story/1591572/un-agrees-to-combat-is-threat-by-all-means

Great news Arista. At last the 'Paper Tiger' which has been the UN has gotten stripes and grown teeth and is roaring.

Let's wipe these ******* vermin demons from the face of the Earth.

[kirklancaster]

Excellent news and for me the PM if he makes the case for action now should be supported as to it, still allowing people to follow their own consciences on the issue however.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: 100% in agreement Joey.

[arista]

"Let's wipe these ******* vermin demons from the face of the Earth. "


I do not think that will happen
as its a ideology thats wrong
they have no Nation
just Spread all over the World

[kirklancaster]

"Let's wipe these ******* vermin demons from the face of the Earth. "


I do not think that will happen
as its a ideology thats wrong
they have no Nation
just Spread all over the World

Maybe so Arista - So let's just spread them further all over the world -- as in vapourised. :laugh:

[bots]

Russia says it has intensified its air raids on what it calls "terrorist" targets in Syria and raised to 69 the number of its aircraft there.
But President Vladimir Putin said the current level of attacks was not enough to defeat so-called Islamic State (IS).
Russia said it fired cruise missiles for a fourth day against IS targets. The long-range missiles were launched from Caspian Sea warships.
Some missiles hit IS in strategically important Deir al-Zour, reports say.
The IS-held town in eastern Syria lies between the IS self-proclaimed capital of Raqqa and territory that the jihadists also control in neighbouring Iraq.
Deir al-Zour province is also rich in oil.
The Russian military says it fired 18 cruise missiles on Friday, destroying seven "Islamist" targets in Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo provinces.
Col Patrick Ryder, a spokesman for US Central Command, said the Russian air strikes in recent days targeted more IS areas, including the group's oil infrastructure.
But he added that "the majority of Russian air strikes are still against moderate Syrian opposition forces, which is clearly concerning, and those strikes are in support of the Syrian regime" of President Bashar al-Assad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34882503

[Northern Monkey]

Can't see Corbyn agreeing to that.

[kirklancaster]

Can't see Corbyn agreeing to that.

I think the 'U' Turn' King will not agree now, but in a week or so when enough behind the scenes pressure as been brought to bear on him, he will agree.

[kirklancaster]

I think the 'U' Turn' King will not agree now, but in a week or so when enough behind the scenes pressure has been brought to bear on him, he will agree.

[arista]

Can't see Corbyn agreeing to that.

But how can he stop 60 of his MP's
voting for Air Bombing

[Denver]

All countries need to get together and attack Syria/Iraq from all borders and corner the bastards

[Vicky.]

I don't think this bombing and stuff does any good. It will risk lives, but I really do feel we need feet on the ground in these countries. By endlessly dropping bombs, we cannot be sure we are not killing innocents, while it may not be reported, I am quite sure a fair few have been killed recently.

Corbyn could not defeat this in a vote, IMO. Too many of his party agree with it.

[lostalex]

I don't think this bombing and stuff does any good. It will risk lives, but I really do feel we need feet on the ground in these countries. By endlessly dropping bombs, we cannot be sure we are not killing innocents, while it may not be reported, I am quite sure a fair few have been killed recently.

Corbyn could not defeat this in a vote, IMO. Too many of his party agree with it.

The bombing is still doing more to prevent innocent lives being lost than well the terrorists who actually TARGET innocents... also the chaos on the ground with troops means they don't have as much control either. the drones and bombings actually helps reduce civilian casualties, but of course there will always be some, because the ISIS troops surround themselves with women and children. and a lot of those women choose to be ISIS fighters too, they specifically want to marry ISIS men because they believe in the cause. how many women have we seen specifically traveling there to marry ISIS men, so they are not innocent civilians really just because they are women.

[lewis111]

I don't see the point in bombing a little. Just puts a bigger target on our back, either try to wipe out a lot of ISIS or leave it, but don't leave it we can't just sit back

[lostalex]

I don't see the point in bombing a little. Just puts a bigger target on our back, either try to wipe out a lot of ISIS or leave it, but don't leave it we can't just sit back

I'm pretty sure the target is already on our back...and it can't get any bigger, the target is already as big as it can be.

[DemolitionRed]

Well lets hope our bombings are more strategic than the Russians.

This site brings news directly out of Syria. Its translation is sometimes poor but it allows you to see what's happening from Syrian journalism http://www.raqqa-sl.com/en/?p=1515

[user104658]

:shrug: it won't work. I mean this is all very rousing and trumpets and "let's get 'em" and all that but... Yeah. It won't work. Can we sticky this thread or something? It's OK I'll just bookmark it on Firefox, specifically so that I can come back in a year or two after all of the bombing / military action, when we're no further along and probably mourning another similar or worse situation to Paris, and I'm going to quote this post and say ":shrug: told you it wouldn't work".

[lostalex]

PSHHH, the UN. **** off UN. what are they gonna do? We all know it's up to NATO and the Russians to deal with it. The UN has no significant Military force, they ave "peacekeepers" and those peacekeepers just seem to show up and rape children if you've been following the news of all the child rapes among "peacekeepers" in the past few years.

The UN can go **** themselves.

[user104658]

I don't see the point in bombing a little. Just puts a bigger target on our back, either try to wipe out a lot of ISIS or leave it, but don't leave it we can't just sit back
Yes let's try to wipe out a lot of a multinational guerilla organisation with multiple, self-sustaining, independent cells in every major city in the world by bombing some dusty towns and patches of desert. This is the best plan ever, I don't know why no one thought of it before?

[bots]

Yes let's try to wipe out a lot of a multinational guerilla organisation with multiple, self-sustaining, independent cells in every major city in the world by bombing some dusty towns and patches of desert. This is the best plan ever, I don't know why no one thought of it before?

they have grabbed land and declared a state of their own, that can be attacked and it will have benefits. Organisations like IS gain traction for a number of reasons, and similarly it will be a number of combined actions that will cause it to lose that traction until it fizzles out.

Every complex problem can be broken down in to a number of simpler issues, and when all the issues are addressed, the problem is solved. Bombing is just one technique amongst many, but it is still necessary to halt the IS expansion, and remove the resources it has captured and is profiting from.

[user104658]

they have grabbed land and declared a state of their own, that can be attacked and it will have benefits. Organisations like IS gain traction for a number of reasons, and similarly it will be a number of combined actions that will cause it to lose that traction until it fizzles out.

Every complex problem can be broken down in to a number of simpler issues, and when all the issues are addressed, the problem is solved. Bombing is just one technique amongst many, but it is still necessary to halt the IS expansion, and remove the resources it has captured and is profiting from.
We'll see when I bump the thread in 2017 when it's inevitably all further descended into ****, I suppose.

[kirklancaster]

they have grabbed land and declared a state of their own, that can be attacked and it will have benefits. Organisations like IS gain traction for a number of reasons, and similarly it will be a number of combined actions that will cause it to lose that traction until it fizzles out.

Every complex problem can be broken down in to a number of simpler issues, and when all the issues are addressed, the problem is solved. Bombing is just one technique amongst many, but it is still necessary to halt the IS expansion, and remove the resources it has captured and is profiting from.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Probably the post of the thread.

[joeysteele]

It should be a free vote in the Commons so all MPs can vote as and with their consciences, ironically I think the majority would be a bigger one for action if that was the way the vote was done.

[lostalex]

can't we get a hold of the chinese manufactures that make Korans, and put some kind of poison in them?

we should find a way to make the toxic religion ACTUALLY TOXIC.

[Denver]

can't we get a hold of the chinese manufactures that make Korans, and put some kind of poison in them?

we should find a way to make the toxic religion ACTUALLY TOXIC.

Why are you calling all Muslims toxic?

[lostalex]

Why are you calling all Muslims toxic?

i didn't. i called the ideology/religion toxic, which it is. it is homophobic, it is mysogynistic, it is a hate group, that spreads hate of other religions, and other ideologies. it is TOXIC by any definition. it's evil.

The people aren't evil, the thinking/beliefs/ideologies are though.

stop treating ignorant hateful people with kid gloves. until you fully criticize their ideology they can't be defeated. pretending like it's okay for them to say that gay people should be killed, that gay people are evil, that women should be subservient to men, that women are under men. they will never learn.

most muslims like most christians aren't religious at all, fine. but are they really religious then?

and if you don't really believe in the religion, then fine, say that. BE HONEST THAT YOU DON'T REALY BELIEVE IN THE RELIGION.

it's time to make people be honest about what they really are and what they really believe. because these BELIEFS are getting people KILLED.

[Scarlett.]

I don't think this bombing and stuff does any good. It will risk lives, but I really do feel we need feet on the ground in these countries. By endlessly dropping bombs, we cannot be sure we are not killing innocents, while it may not be reported, I am quite sure a fair few have been killed recently.

Corbyn could not defeat this in a vote, IMO. Too many of his party agree with it.

Thing is, you put our troops on those same city streets, you're gonna see ISIS launching attacks daily against them, killing them and a lot more civilians than bombing from afar.

[DemolitionRed]

i didn't. i called the ideology/religion toxic, which it is. it is homophobic, it is mysogynistic, it is a hate group, that spreads hate of other religions, and other ideologies. it is TOXIC by any definition. it's evil.

The people aren't evil, the thinking/beliefs/ideologies are though.

stop treating ignorant hateful people with kid gloves. until you fully criticize their ideology they can't be defeated. pretending like it's okay for them to say that gay people should be killed, that gay people are evil, that women should be subservient to men, that women are under men. they will never learn.

most muslims like most christians aren't religious at all, fine. but are they really religious then?

and if you don't really believe in the religion, then fine, say that. BE HONEST THAT YOU DON'T REALY BELIEVE IN THE RELIGION.

it's time to make people be honest about what they really are and what they really believe. because these BELIEFS are getting people KILLED.

See, this is what comes from lack of understanding and unfortunately there seems to be a lot of this sort of talk going on at the moment.

ISIS are Wahhabi and Wahhabis believe all Suffis and Shi'ite should die. Sufis and Shi'ites are Muslim too, but their only similarity is, their following of Allah and the same prophet; be that in a different way.

Wahhabism started in the Saudi desserts long after the Quran was written and came from a Takfir some random nutter called Abd al Wahhabi was wandering around with after being evicted from his homeland. That Takfir was adopted by a corrupt and notorious warmongering Bedouin tribe led by Ibn Saud...a direct descendant of the Saudi Royals of today and used to rape pillage and plunder under the banner of Jihad.

Back in the 18th century the Ottoman empire eventually pushed these Wahhbis back into the desert and there they stayed until the West brought their billions in exchange for oil and made a direct descendant of Ibn Saud the Saudi king.

The Saud family became spoilt with riches and abandoned a lot of the Wahhabi philosophy but the Bedouin tribes that remained in the Saudi dessert remained true to their cause and this is where ISIS reared its ugly head. ISIS is nothing new, its done all this before but last time it didn't have medium range missiles, armoured tanks or kalashnikovs.
This is why Saudi is arming them. The Saudi's are both terrified and in admiration of these warmongers.

Wahhabi is an offshoot of Sunni but that doesn't make the Sunni's Wahhabis. Shi'ite and Sufi are the Muslims who have directly suffered in the hands of the Wahhabis.

This is why the West don't go in and destroy and murder anyone who carries a Quran because most of the Islam world never wanted Jihad but had no choice but to raise alternative armies when ISIS reared its ugly head against them.

[arista]

Some Labour people
say they think its up to the Cabinet
not a Free Vote.

Thats sounds so Wrong


Ref: Marr BBC1

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/21/23/2E795C2300000578-0-image-a-4_1448147665729.jpg

with so many Nations Bombing
they are not decreasing
so who the hell are USA and Russia bombing?

[arista]

http://www.thecommentator.com/system/articles/inner_pictures/000/004/044/commentary_thumb/OwenJones.png?1376258770
Owen Jones
was on a debate about this topic
on BBC1 Sunday Morning Live.


a Vicar said he is ok with the Bombing
so long has knows the Plan?


Any Plan
will change every month


Isis want this
they will say we are the Crusaders
Killing Muslims

[DemolitionRed]

with so many Nations Bombing
they are not decreasing
so who the hell are USA and Russia bombing?

This is straight out of Syria but only up to 20th October

The first Russian raid on Raqqa city was on 17th of September this year, before the official announcement for the Russian attacks in Syrian space, the raids targeted many locations in the city and it was (Jawd Anzoor school – the Real Estate – Aldrae’a neighborhood next to the directorate of feed – Alfardos neighborhood next to Sada internet café – hospital of obstetrics – the industrial area) and it led to a nearly 40 martyrs and 75 wounded among civilians

September 21st, the Russian aviation carried out 12 air strikes targeted many of sites in the city ( Alzahra’a school at Althakaneh neighborhood – the summer hall for Alkarnak hotel at Althakaneh neighborhood – the garage of the fire extinguishing, Alquadisia Sq. Alromania neighborhood – Alforosia area – the yellow warhous – Almashleb neighborhood – the national hospital) , these raids have left 22 martyrs in addition to the 50 injured, all of them civilians.

September 24th, the Russian aviation carried out 2 air strikes on Ma’adan city east of Raqqa city which cause the martyrdom of one person and the injured of other five of the civilians.

September 26th, the Russian aviation attacked Ma’adan city again with two air strikes it led to the 2 martyrs and 4 wounded among civilians

September 29th the Russian aviation carried out a raid on the sides of the city from the eastern side, the raid did not result in any material or human damage, while some sources that close from the regime said that four members from ISIS were killed, but the reporter of the RBSS confirmed that the targeted location was evacuated in an earlier period as a result of targeted repeatedly by the international coalition aviation

This October 1st, the Russian aviation carried out many night raids on a location for ISIS west of Raqqa city, they also targeted the avant-garde camp south of the city, which led to the killing of a number of ISIS members known of them (Abo Bilal the Tunisian) that known as a one of ISIS member who participated in arresting the Jordanian pilot Moa’az Kasasbeh

October 7th The fall of the Scud missile on the Sides of Altabqa city west of Raqqa, believed to be a missile which was shoot from the Caspian Sea by the Russian Navy, where they found the remains of the missile and the writings on it was by the Russian language .
The missile has led to a large mass in the place where it fell, despite the fact that the area is far from the city and from any of ISIS headquarters.

October -13th, a long – range missile targeted a gas station (Alrawi station) on the international road Raqqa-Aleppo, which led to the martyrdom of 5 civilians http://www.raqqa-sl.com/en/?p=1515

ISIS deaths 4
Civilian deaths 70
ISIS sites bombed 2
Civilian sites bombed 22

[MTVN]

'as a result for this reality ISIS realized that the Russian aviation is like the Syrian one doesn’t constitute a major threat to the members and locations'

So that's why IS' response to Russia's strikes was to bomb a commercial plane full of its civilians. That article alone is not exactly a great basis to draw conclusions about the impact of Russia's intervention.

[DemolitionRed]

This reporting coming directly our of Syria though. They seem to know what is being bombed better than the West.

These reporters are certainly not IS supporters.

[bots]

This reporting coming directly our of Syria though. They seem to know what is being bombed better than the West.

These reporters are certainly not IS supporters.

the Americans with their satellite technology have acknowledged that the Russians have been hitting IS, they just believe that they are also hitting all Syrian opposition forces. That report could easily be from other Syrian opposition supporters