ISIS's days are going to come to an end very soon.

[JoshBB]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/chinese-special-forces-use-flamethrower-6886860#rlabs=9%20rt$sitewide%20p$3

I know this is just one story, but it made me think.. with the EU, US, Russia, and China ALL fighting ISIS.. they honestly don't have a hope in hell of winning any perceived war that is being fought. But how long do you think it will take?

[MB.]

Time for ISIS: The Farewell Tour?

(yeah but seriously blow the ****ers up ok)

[Brother Leon]

God bless Mother Russia

[Scarlett.]

The stupidest thing they could have ever done was piss off Russia and China, the West holds themselves back more when it comes to war, Russia and China? Not a chance, you mess with them, they will end you.

[Kizzy]

The stupidest thing they could have ever done was piss off Russia and China, the West holds themselves back more when it comes to war, Russia and China? Not a chance, you mess with them, they will end you.

Yes they probably will, we could aid all the innocents we can if we want to help.

[Mystic Mock]

Hopefully within the next 5 years they'll be on their knees.

[Northern Monkey]

It is good that there is a joint effort to destroy ISIS.Although my worry is what happens when the west and Russia step on each others toes.Russia are targetting many other people other than ISIS at the moment.They are killing many civilians and the Free Syrian Army and anyone else who opposes Assad.When ISIS are gone and the west decide it's time for Assad to go then that is when bigger problems will occur.

[lostalex]

but what will replace them is the question. Al Qaeda isn't getting much attention lately, but can we celebrate the retreat of Al Qaeda with ISIS around? and what will come after ISIS?

[bots]

ISIS will be around for decades yet.

[joeysteele]

The sooner they are gone the better for all the World so I would hope it is very soon.

I still say we need the Arab Nations in the Middle east to, and all the other Nations too there, to ensure these people are wiped off the face of the earth.

Then, and more to the point, be in a position to deal with and eradicate any other nutters and despots who form groups to terrorise and destroy,rather than contribute something of value and worth to the World.

[user104658]

but what will replace them is the question. Al Qaeda isn't getting much attention lately, but can we celebrate the retreat of Al Qaeda with ISIS around? and what will come after ISIS?

Exactly Alex, huge armies going around creating a very specific type of power vacuum... something else will have filled it within 6 months.

And that's if ISIS truly is defeated. To me, this whole thing absolutely smacks of Chinese Army propaganda. I think they're taking PR tips from Mr Il in NK.

[MTVN]

Difference between ISIS and Al Qaeda is that Al Qaeda never had that much interest in controlling territory and they never made any claim to have established the Caliphate like ISIS have. If that caliphate fails then that is a massive blow to Islamic extremism although the campaign against IS is probably one that will go on for years.

[Northern Monkey]

but what will replace them is the question. Al Qaeda isn't getting much attention lately, but can we celebrate the retreat of Al Qaeda with ISIS around? and what will come after ISIS?

There will always be mad murderous Muslims around.Whatever they decide to call themselves.

[DemolitionRed]

ISIS will be around for decades yet.

Unfortunately I believe you're right.
The ten year war in Afghanistan is why Russia fell apart. What started as a complete crack down ended with a withdrawal from Afghanistan and the return of 15,000 Red Army soldiers in coffins. Why would it be any different now?

Its been proven before in both Afghanistan and Iraq that air strikes kill thousands of innocents, not just through direct hits but the aftermath of a destroyed infrastructure, but are nothing more than a fart in the wind to people like ISIS.

Our massive air assaults will merely push more Syrian refugees over the borders and the dessert will become a stronger and more formidable force. It needs Massive western boots on the ground if its going to have any chance of succeeding but with the Gulf Arab backers pouring their fortunes into military aid nobody can predict the future of Syria and other middle eastern countries.

I find it baffling that so little is being said about the Saudi's because from where I'm sitting, they are have a massive hand in this.

[DemolitionRed]

Just had a news flash saying the Syrians have shot down a Russian jet.

[Northern Monkey]

Just had a news flash saying the Syrians have shot down a Russian jet.

I thought it was Turkey?

[arista]

ISIS will be around for decades yet.

Yes of course
as there is to many that support it,
some in England , sadly

[DemolitionRed]

I thought it was Turkey?

Yep sorry....I'd just caught the tail end of the news.

[Northern Monkey]

Yep sorry....I'd just caught the tail end of the news.
Thought there'd been another one then:shocked: :laugh:

[AnnieK]

There will always be terrorists and extremists unfortunately so if IsIs were to be wiped out, it scares me to think what will replace them....

[lostalex]

why does it seem like the oldest cultures are the least evolved? It's like they get stuck.

people started in Africa, africa is a ****ing nightmare, then moved up into the middle east, then into south asia and southern and eastern europe, then into eastern asia and western europe, then to America, Canada, and Australia....

it's like when you look at that time line you can see the worst places start at the beginning and the best places are the furthest away from the beginning.

[DemolitionRed]

Did anyone else watch that documentary last night on how ISIS recruit people in the UK?
One very brave Muslim woman infiltrated a woman's group and got caught.

[Kizzy]

Did anyone else watch that documentary last night on how ISIS recruit people in the UK?
One very brave Muslim woman infiltrated a woman's group and got caught.

Yes I saw it she was very brave, I only caught the last 20 mins though.
I do question the motives of showing this now however, if the onus is on showing the Muslim community that they are not all viewed with suspicion then this sort of countered that.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes I saw it she was very brave, I only caught the last 20 mins though.
I do question the motives of showing this now however, if the onus is on showing the Muslim community that they are not all viewed with suspicion then this sort of countered that.


I would like to know what happened to that very important information before it was shown to the viewing public. Was M15 interested and if not why not? were these people arrested? From the sound of things they weren't.

[MTVN]

Presumably everything got passed to the authorities. I think they said that they couldn't name one of the women for legal reasons so perhaps she is now under investigation? It was very brave of her and its very concerning that such groups exist

[Kizzy]

I wish I had watched the whole thing, it seemed just like some mothers meeting the bit I saw, is this what is suggested is radicalisation then?

[MTVN]

I wish I had watched the whole thing, it seemed just like some mothers meeting the bit I saw, is this what is suggested is radicalisation then?

They were study circles of female Islamists who encourage girls to travel to Syria, preach hate against the West and against Jews and celebrate ISIS fighters and atrocities. That is certainly what is involved in radicalisation.

[Kizzy]

They were study circles of female Islamists who encourage girls to travel to Syria, preach hate against the West and against Jews and celebrate ISIS fighters and atrocities. That is certainly what is involved in radicalisation.

Right, I don't think the summation was very accurate then, I'm still not comfortable with the media expose. Did it not say 2 weeks after filming ended it was the Paris bombings? Would any investigation actioned not still be ongoing if there was any real threat?

[MTVN]

Right, I don't think the summation was very accurate then, I'm still not comfortable with the media expose. Did it not say 2 weeks after filming ended it was the Paris bombings? Would any investigation actioned not still be ongoing if there was any real threat?

I presume that filming ended because she was caught and the extremists cut off all contact with her. I expect the authorities are taking the footage very seriously and are investigating these women.

[Livia]

It'll probably be all over by Christmas.

[Z]

but what will replace them is the question. Al Qaeda isn't getting much attention lately, but can we celebrate the retreat of Al Qaeda with ISIS around? and what will come after ISIS?

Precisely the point. We should just leave the region well alone and let them sort it out themselves - even if all the bombs and drone strikes in the world kill every last ISIS member, there's still a gigantic power vacuum to be filled and something else will fill it - and it won't be a functioning democracy.

I don't believe ISIS are in any danger of ending any time soon - there's too much else going on in the region for there to be any chance of a coordinated effort to get rid of them, they're taking full advantage of the chaos and adding to it further (see: Paris attacks) to make significant strategic gains and I would imagine the most likely outcome at this moment in time is that ISIS becomes a legitimate state or becomes a Middle Eastern equivalent of North Korea; Turkey expands its territory; a Kurdish state of some sort is created and perhaps a couple of other quasi Saudi and Iranian proxy states. Bashar al-Assad is out of the equation, of course, but he's of little relevance while all this other **** is going on.

[letmein]

You can destroy an idea. It's impossible. There's no destroying ISIS.

[lostalex]

Precisely the point. We should just leave the region well alone and let them sort it out themselves - even if all the bombs and drone strikes in the world kill every last ISIS member, there's still a gigantic power vacuum to be filled and something else will fill it - and it won't be a functioning democracy.

I don't believe ISIS are in any danger of ending any time soon - there's too much else going on in the region for there to be any chance of a coordinated effort to get rid of them, they're taking full advantage of the chaos and adding to it further (see: Paris attacks) to make significant strategic gains and I would imagine the most likely outcome at this moment in time is that ISIS becomes a legitimate state or becomes a Middle Eastern equivalent of North Korea; Turkey expands its territory; a Kurdish state of some sort is created and perhaps a couple of other quasi Saudi and Iranian proxy states. Bashar al-Assad is out of the equation, of course, but he's of little relevance while all this other **** is going on.

we can't just leave the region alone because of the refugee crisis, how are you going to stop the refugees?

[Z]

we can't just leave the region alone because of the refugee crisis, how are you going to stop the refugees?

Ignore them :shrug: if we keep accepting them, they'll keep coming.

[Kizzy]

I presume that filming ended because she was caught and the extremists cut off all contact with her. I expect the authorities are taking the footage very seriously and are investigating these women.

I know it ended that way I saw it, my query was why they have released the footage so quick?
What is the motive, to compound headlines like the 1 in 5 stat in the sun?

[Kizzy]

Ignore them :shrug: if we keep accepting them, they'll keep coming.

That sounds harsh Z.

[MTVN]

I know it ended that way I saw it, my query was why they have released the footage so quick?
What is the motive, to compound headlines like the 1 in 5 stat in the sun?

Do you think that Channel 4 has an agenda in whipping up hate against Muslims?

Are you saying they should have pulled the footage? If female Muslims are radicalising young girls and encouraging them to travel to Syria to join ISIS is that something that should be tiptoed around?

[Kizzy]

Do you think that Channel 4 has an agenda in whipping up hate against Muslims?

Are you saying they should have pulled the footage? If female Muslims are radicalising young girls and encouraging them to travel to Syria to join ISIS is that something that should be tiptoed around?

I don't know the Sun seem to relish doing it, I think it should be dealt with by the relevant authorities not broadcast almost immediatly following a terrorist incident. I think it could have the potential to incite racial tension and that is not what the country needs right now.

[bots]

I don't know the Sun seem to relish doing it, I think it should be dealt with by the relevant authorities not broadcast almost immediatly following a terrorist incident. I think it could have the potential to incite racial tension and that is not what the country needs right now.

I understand what you mean. The Sun is an obscenity and shouldn't be stirring up tension like it plainly is. However, we need everyone to be aware of the scale of the problem wrt radicalisation so I think the TV program was useful. There is a clear difference in how the information is presented between the 2 cases.

We all need to be educated at this point not force fed hate.

[Kizzy]

We know there is radicalisation, whipping up numptys like the one who harassed a young Muslim woman on a train is not an intelligent solution to the issue.

[user104658]

why does it seem like the oldest cultures are the least evolved? It's like they get stuck.

people started in Africa, africa is a ****ing nightmare, then moved up into the middle east, then into south asia and southern and eastern europe, then into eastern asia and western europe, then to America, Canada, and Australia....

it's like when you look at that time line you can see the worst places start at the beginning and the best places are the furthest away from the beginning.

The new world / post colonial countries just haven't had as much time to make a mess yet. You'll get there, don't worry. The US quite blatantly peaked in the 20th century, for example... give it a few hundred years and it'll be well on the way back down.

[lostalex]

The new world / post colonial countries just haven't had as much time to make a mess yet. You'll get there, don't worry. The US quite blatantly peaked in the 20th century, for example... give it a few hundred years and it'll be well on the way back down.

yea, the moon landing was really quite something.

[Kizzy]

The new world / post colonial countries just haven't had as much time to make a mess yet. You'll get there, don't worry. The US quite blatantly peaked in the 20th century, for example... give it a few hundred years and it'll be well on the way back down.

We are on the way back down I'd say atm we're hovering somewhere over the early 20th century, we have the service industry and hospitality but little industry. proletarianisation is in full swing.

[Livia]

Funny how different people have such different views depending on their outlook.

[Kizzy]

Strikes being discussed atm...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/nov/26/cameron-statement-syria-isis-air-strikes-not-a-sign-of-weakness-politics-live