Subway worker locks child in restaurant and drags him away

[Will.]

The kid tried to steal a packet of crisps.

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A young boy is locked in a Subway store by a worker in this shocking footage after a row broke out over an alleged stolen packet of crisps.

The boy, believed to be aged 10, gets more and more upset throughout the footage and tries to get out of the locked restaurant.

In the clip another youth dressed in a grey tracksuit with his hood up repeatedly kicks at the door, before picking up a heavy advertising hoarding and throwing it at the glass.

As the trapped boy is picked up by a male member of staff his friends rush even more frantically to smash to through the door.

[Jordan.]

No sympathy for chavvy little brats. Hopefully the parents had to pay to replace the smashed door.

[lostalex]

the employee did the right thing. look at those little beasts behaving like lunatics! can you imagine what the parents must be like?

[armand.kay]

The employee is doing way too much doubt he gets paid enough to be dealing with this ****.

[Mystic Mock]

It was traumatic for me, have some sympathy guys.

[user104658]

I'm not going to say he did the right thing because he is an adult and it would have been better for him to keep his cool, however, I also do understand why he snapped. I have occasional problems with a small gang of 11/12 year old kids occasionally that roam around the town where I work and simply put, although they are children, they are thugs. Quite dangerous thugs, because they seem to have this idea that because they are young, no one can do anything to them, including law enforcement (which is true, if they come out its just to have a word with them and move them on, only for them to be back hanging around a couple of hours later).

With us it's minor stuff like running into the shop (18+) and running around shouting abuse at people, but I have customers that you wouldn't mess with if you're 14 or 40 so they leave pretty quickly. I have however seen more serious things outside - throwing things at random people in the street, shoving other teens to the ground... The worse was probably when they were hounding an Indian guy with full on racist abuse, running up behind him and smacking him on the back, grabbing his arms and then screaming help like he had grabbed them... I have no idea how he DIDN'T snap.

[lostalex]

I'm not going to say he did the right thing because he is an adult and it would have been better for him to keep his cool, however, I also do understand why he snapped. I have occasional problems with a small gang of 11/12 year old kids occasionally that roam around the town where I work and simply put, although they are children, they are thugs. Quite dangerous thugs, because they seem to have this idea that because they are young, no one can do anything to them, including law enforcement (which is true, if they come out its just to have a word with them and move them on, only for them to be back hanging around a couple of hours later).

With us it's minor stuff like running into the shop (18+) and running around shouting abuse at people, but I have customers that you wouldn't mess with if you're 14 or 40 so they leave pretty quickly. I have however seen more serious things outside - throwing things at random people in the street, shoving other teens to the ground... The worse was probably when they were hounding an Indian guy with full on racist abuse, running up behind him and smacking him on the back, grabbing his arms and then screaming help like he had grabbed them... I have no idea how he DIDN'T snap.


how did he snap? he didn't beat the kid or assault him at all, he just restrained him til the cops could come.

[user104658]

how did he snap? he didn't beat the kid or assault him at all, he just restrained him til the cops could come.
Which isn't legal here; you can't physically detain someone unless they pose a physical threat to yourself or others, or you're licenced to do so (e.g. Security guards, club bouncers, sports stadium stewards etc. hold licences). Whether that's right or wrong is another discussion, but the staff member will have known that he shouldn't have tried to detain him, so I can only imagine he did so because things like this have happened before and he was sick of it.

Tbh he really didn't need to if they have security footage - I imagine the police would know exactly who these kids are from the footage.

[Niamh.]

That 10 year olds parents have a lot to answer for imo. It's one thing to not know what your teenagers are up to but you should know exactly where your 10 year old is and what he's doing during the day

[lostalex]

That 10 year olds parents have a lot to answer for imo. It's one thing to not know what your teenagers are up to but you should know exactly where your 10 year old is and what he's doing during the day

well now they know! he's stealing crisps and abusing minimum wage workers, and destroying property and throwing temper tantrums...

[Niamh.]

well now the police can actually detain this kid, and hopefully put him in some kind of treatment center. this child is clearly unfit to interact with the general public and should be locked away in a cold dark room.

He's 10 years old though, most 10 year olds would probably act like that if they could get away with it and spend their days with older little thugs. His parents obviously aren't looking after him properly

[user104658]

He's 10 years old though, most 10 year olds would probably act like that if they could get away with it and spend their days with older little thugs. His parents obviously aren't looking after him properly
Yup, like I said they do it because they feel like there are no consequences ; they get used to just doing whatever and nothing actually happens. A lot of the time they keep doing it until they hit 18, don't realise that the rules have changed, and suddenly find themselves arrested and charged for something.

[Niamh.]

Yup, like I said they do it because they feel like there are no consequences ; they get used to just doing whatever and nothing actually happens. A lot of the time they keep doing it until they hit 18, don't realise that the rules have changed, and suddenly find themselves arrested and charged for something.

Yep and then those 18 year olds have kids themselves and the cycle continues

[DemolitionRed]

Kids know they are a law unto themselves.

My eldest son was on a school trip to France when there was an altercation between my son and a class mate. A teacher went to move him out of the way and my son threatened this teacher with the full arm of the law. The school phoned me because they wanted to know if they should turn the coach round and return?! They were really worried that my son had a case against them.

I told them, "if you could clip him round the ear, which I know you can't, I would give my wholehearted permission, but please inform my son that he's grounded when he gets home."

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh its London

:rolleyes:


Without context its hard to say anything other than what disgusting feral behavoir by the youths.

[Vicky.]

Yeah the lads and his mates appear to be little ****s, but it is not the job of random adults to physically restrain children.

Both are in the wrong here to me.

[lostalex]

Yeah the lads and his mates appear to be little ****s, but it is not the job of random adults to physically restrain children.

Both are in the wrong here to me.

so who's job is it to stop them then? and are they expected to just let the little cretins steal whatever they want until the cops get there?

what would you do if that little ****er was tearing up your house?

It's like a rabid dog. look at it! the video is clear!

[Niamh.]

Kids know they are a law unto themselves.

My eldest son was on a school trip to France when there was an altercation between my son and a class mate. A teacher went to move him out of the way and my son threatened this teacher with the full arm of the law. The school phoned me because they wanted to know if they should turn the coach round and return?! They were really worried that my son had a case against them.

I told them, "if you could clip him round the ear, which I know you can't, I would give my wholehearted permission, but please inform my son that he's grounded when he gets home."

And that's the problem in a lot of cases nowadays, you have the parents backing the kids

[Vicky.]

so who's job is it to stop them then? and are they expected to just let the little cretins steal whatever they want until the cops get there?

what would you do if that little ****er was tearing up your house?

It's like a rabid dog. look at it! the video is clear!

He wasnt tearing up a house though, he allegedly stole a packet of crisps? Burgling a house is very very different.

Not sure how it works in America but here, we don't physically restrain kids for stuff like that. Especially not normal shop staff. I believe security staff are allowed to though, as they are trained to do so.

[Vicky.]

And that's the problem in a lot of cases nowadays, you have the parents backing the kids

The issue, I think anyway, is that parents are terrified to discipline their children anymore. I mean, its apparently an offense now to SHOUT at your kids? I don't know how true that is but its pathetic..

As such we now have a whole bunch of little bastards who think they can get away with everything as they have never been taught not to. Some kids don't need shouting at and such, but some (and I believe most) do at some stage in their life.

[arista]

the employee did the right thing. look at those little beasts behaving like lunatics! can you imagine what the parents must be like?



Yes Very True

[arista]

Yeah the lads and his mates appear to be little ****s, but it is not the job of random adults to physically restrain children.

Both are in the wrong here to me.


He needs Police there

[lostalex]

He wasnt tearing up a house though, he allegedly stole a packet of crisps? Burgling a house is very very different.

Not sure how it works in America but here, we don't physically restrain kids for stuff like that. Especially not normal shop staff. I believe security staff are allowed to though, as they are trained to do so.

no it's not different at all. a place of business is private property just like a home, and by your logic kids can just do whatever they please with no consequences from adults. That little monster is lucky he didn't get his teeth kicked in.

It's people with attitudes like yours that created this little monster to begin with, Vicky.

[Vicky.]

no it's not different at all. a place of business is private property just like a home, and by your logic kids can just do whatever they please with no consequences from adults. That little monster is lucky he didn't get his teeth kicked in.

You don't think nicking a packet of crisps is in anyway different to 'tearing up' someones home?

[lostalex]

You don't think nicking a packet of crisps is in anyway different to 'tearing up' someones home?

um he didn't just nick a pack of crisps, he got caught and he should have been embarrassed and apologized. instead he turned into the tazmanian devil and wrecked the ****ing place. did you WATCH the video???

[Niamh.]

The issue, I think anyway, is that parents are terrified to discipline their children anymore. I mean, its apparently an offense now to SHOUT at your kids? I don't know how true that is but its pathetic..

As such we now have a whole bunch of little bastards who think they can get away with everything as they have never been taught not to. Some kids don't need shouting at and such, but some (and I believe most) do at some stage in their life.

I don't think that's true, is it?

I don't think it's the fact that parents are afraid to discipline their kids either, personally I think in alot of cases parents just aren't putting the time in. I mean I have an 11 year old son, he would not be allowed hang around the place with kids of that age for a start, when he does go out with his friends, he has to stay within ear shot of either me or a parent of one of his friends.

10 years old is far to young to be hanging around subways etc with kids who are clearly older.

[Vicky.]

um he didn't just nick a pack of crisps, he got caught and he should have been embarrassed and apologized. instead he turned into the tazmanian devil and wrecked the ****ing place. did you WATCH the video???

He was already locked in the place at that point though?!

[Crimson Dynamo]

he was alleged to have stoken crisps but we dont know, for example, how long this had been going on. Looks like the employee had had enough of their petty pilfering

[Vicky.]

I don't think that's true, is it?

I don't think it's the fact that parents are afraid to discipline their kids either, personally I think in alot of cases parents just aren't putting the time in. I mean I have an 11 year old son, he would not be allowed hang around the place with kids of that age for a start, when he does go out with his friends, he has to stay within ear shot of either me or a parent of one of his friends.

10 years old is far to young to be hanging around subways etc with kids who are clearly older.

Hmm maybe. I know 13 is quite different, but we have recently allowed Gavs oldest to start going out with his mates on his own to the cinema and such for a few hours at a time on a weekend. He is a very very mature and well behaved child at home and it just seems the right time.

However, maybe him and his mates are going on like this too :S

Does make me wonder

[user104658]

Kids know they are a law unto themselves.

My eldest son was on a school trip to France when there was an altercation between my son and a class mate. A teacher went to move him out of the way and my son threatened this teacher with the full arm of the law. The school phoned me because they wanted to know if they should turn the coach round and return?! They were really worried that my son had a case against them.

I told them, "if you could clip him round the ear, which I know you can't, I would give my wholehearted permission, but please inform my son that he's grounded when he gets home."
Ahh I do like it when their little "the law will get you" plans fall through. At one point a colleague of mine was filming a group on them on his phone, as they were harassing people outside the shop and smashing up a bus stop.

One of them decided to start screaming into the shop; "You can't film us without permission that's illegal you paedo!"

I Googled it and had a great time informing them that you can film whoever you want so long as they're in a public place and you don't intend to make the video publicly available like showing it on TV or online.

His poor little face then. Clearly suddenly terrified that the police were going to get a video of him and his friends smashing half the town :joker:. Again though, if the police had come, nothing would have happened :shrug:. If it's kids they just don't care.

[lostalex]

if you saw this video and it was your son Vicky would you honestly be making these excuses for his behavior?

There is no excuse for that behavior.

[Niamh.]

Hmm maybe. I know 13 is quite different, but we have recently allowed Gavs oldest to start going out with his mates on his own to the cinema and such for a few hours at a time on a weekend. He is a very very mature and well behaved child at home and it just seems the right time.

However, maybe him and his mates are going on like this too :S

Does make me wonder

As a parent I think you know your own child though and what you think they'd be able for, I mean if you've not had any trouble with him causing trouble in school or at friends houses or whatever before then you probably won't now either. I think you can make a good judgement call by how his friends behave around you too

[user104658]

Oh its London

:rolleyes:


Without context its hard to say anything other than what disgusting feral behavoir by the youths.
I don't think it being London matters much in this case LT. I work in a relatively small, obscure Scottish town and like I said there are a couple of groups of kids around who are like this.

[user104658]

Hmm maybe. I know 13 is quite different, but we have recently allowed Gavs oldest to start going out with his mates on his own to the cinema and such for a few hours at a time on a weekend. He is a very very mature and well behaved child at home and it just seems the right time.

However, maybe him and his mates are going on like this too :S

Does make me wonder
Nah... These kids smashing things up and causing chaos are just "more visible". Get noticed and make news stories etc. getting people worked up and making them think that all kids are out being thugs. The truth is that the VAST majority of teenagers our with their friends are minding their own business and not bothering anyone. It's just that no one notices those kids.

[Vicky.]

if you saw this video and it was your son Vicky would you honestly be making these excuses for his behavior?

There is no excuse for that behavior.

I'm not making excuses for his behavior though, I am saying the shop worker was also in the wrong and shouldn't be being hailed as some kind of Jesus figure in all of this :laugh: