Christian Tyson Fury: Gays, Paedos, Abortionists and The Devil

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Boxer Tyson Fury has spoken out on his views about women and gay people, as a petition calling for his removal from the BBC's Sports Personality of the Year shortlist reaches 80,000 names.

Fury has been quoted as saying a woman's "best place is on her back" and criticised homosexuality and abortion.

In the aftermath of his win in Dusseldorf, Fury had said: "I'm not sexist. I believe a woman's best place is in the kitchen and on her back. That's my personal belief. Making me a good cup of tea, that's what I believe."

But Fury, who refers to himself as the 'Gypsy King' because of his Irish traveller heritage....., told BBC Radio 2's Jeremy Vine programme on Monday: "I love my women and what I said goes for my wife alone. She knows her place, I know her place. That's our culture of people.

"That's nothing to do with the world or anybody else and if I was a normal person, I wasn't in the spotlight, no-one would be making a scene about what I say to my wife."

The new world champion has also previously said it would only take the legalisation of paedophilia in addition to the decriminalisation of homosexuality and abortion to see "the devil come home".

There are only three things that need to be accomplished before the devil comes home: one of them is homosexuality being legal in countries, one of them is abortion and the other one's paedophilia.

Let's not try and make me out to be some evil person and I hate the gays because I don't hate anybody. I can actually say I don't hate anybody.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35031110


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Naturally Fury is a Christian and is only regurgitating Christian Mantra as he understands it and has been "taught"

Would you vote for the Big Man to win BBC Sports Personality?

[Samm]

I've signed the petition! He's a disgrace and should be wiped out of sport entirely!

[Jack_]

673777414095417344

:laugh3:

[Nedusa]

I've signed the petition! He's a disgrace and should be wiped out of sport entirely!

You tell him....lol

[Tom4784]

What a delightful person, it's an outrage that he's been nominated for a sports personality award when his personality is obviously wretched.

[DemolitionRed]

Can we have a link to the petition?

[JoshBB]

When I first saw him on the news, I thought he was either one of two things:

a) gay
b) homophobic

So, I kinda called it..

[Shaun]

Just...gross. In every respect.

[Brother Leon]

Stupid petition. He's entitled to his opinion. It may be a ****ed up one, but he's still entitled to it. He deserves to win the thing if we were looking simply at achievement so trying to get him kicked off the shortlist would be moronic.

[MB.]

Or perhaps it'd just give a good example that being a dick isn't tolerated even if you're the world heavyweight champion

[Black Dagger]

One fight where his opponent performed ****e and it was boring as ****. No thanks. Guy is a **** and there are far bigger and better achievements on that list.

[JoshBB]

Stupid petition. He's entitled to his opinion. It may be a ****ed up one, but he's still entitled to it. He deserves to win the thing if we were looking simply at achievement so trying to get him kicked off the shortlist would be moronic.

Inciting hatred is not an entitlement. It's a crime.

[Kizzy]

Inciting hatred is not an entitlement. It's a crime.

He isn't inciting it, just affirming it's a traveller culture thing... and it is I guess so we really can't expect him to say anything else.

[GiRTh]

Freak.

[the truth]

Many gypsy travellers behave like this BUT its the politically correct people who stopped people being able to discuss gypsy behaviour labelling that too as racist....so in effect its the hardline intolerant radical liberals who have made this problem much worse

[Northern Monkey]

You aint no Christian bruv......

[smudgie]

As the public have to vote for the winner then I can't see him having a hope of winning.
Tyson has his beliefs, comes from his culture and his being a born again Christian.
He may love his wife, but he certainly does not show her any respect talking about her in that way, but then again he is rather uneducated and brash.

[Locke.]

He deserves to be nominated for what he achieved. He might be a dick but that doesn't take away from him upsetting all the odds and becoming world champion. Will be ridiculous if he's removed.

[Ammi]

.....hmmm, I don't know about this...he deserves it on his sporting achievements and his values are his values, he's not instilling them on anyone else, no matter what we think of them...aren't there people who have won this before whose values we might personally question...who have cheated on their wives etc..?...is that not similar, it just seems like a moral policing thing and is that right or appropriate because he's openly stated his life values and opinions in certain things...

[Ammi]

..in thinking about this more actually I think that it would be wrong to remove him because of his culture and values...so many times there have been threads etc about prejudice shown to the travelling community, which there is...so to remove him because he holds beliefs that many travellers do would be undoubtedly prejudiced and wrong....

[kirklancaster]

You tell him....lol

:laugh:

[kirklancaster]

..in thinking about this more actually I think that it would be wrong to remove him because of his culture and values...so many times there have been threads etc about prejudice shown to the travelling community, which there is...so to remove him because he holds beliefs that many travellers do would be undoubtedly prejudiced and wrong....

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[kirklancaster]

He deserves to be nominated for what he achieved. He might be a dick but that doesn't take away from him upsetting all the odds and becoming world champion. Will be ridiculous if he's removed.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: HANDS OFF BOXING.

[Cherie]

I thought we were all for defending peoples rights on this forum, he is a product of his culture, he has his beliefs and though we may not like them, they are not that different to those held by say a devout Muslim who I think we would all agree until the cows come home are entitled to their beliefs, How many more nominees have unpalatable views and beliefs that we know nothing about, should we go digging for them and get them removed as well, ridiculous petition, I hope he wins :D:

[kirklancaster]

I thought we were all for defending peoples rights on this forum, he is a product of his culture, he has his beliefs and though we may not like them, they are not that different to those held by say a devout Muslim who I think we would all agree until the cows come home are entitled to their beliefs, How many more nominees have unpalatable views and beliefs that we know nothing about, should we go digging for them and get them removed as well, ridiculous petition, I hope he wins :D:

:lovedup: You are so very wise. :hehe:

[Cherie]

Keep talking Kirk I haven't voted in ML yet :hehe:


Did any of these people complain when BFGW was aired, which gave a glimpse of real traveler life if you looked beyond the dresses and the sequins? You bet your life they didn't

[kirklancaster]

Keep talking Kirk I haven't voted in ML yet :hehe:


Did any of these people complain when BFGW was aired, which gave a glimpse of real traveler life if you looked beyond the dresses and the sequins? You bet your life they didn't

:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lets face the facts

He is poorly educated and has been, to an extent, brainwashed by his parents about religion. He has been told that the bible, a fictitious midddle eastern fable concoction of books is the template to live his life, obviuously he has not read it but he has read bits and he has taken bits of it he likes to back up his predujices and to hide behind.

"its not me guv it says it in the bible so dont blame me"


Any adult human in this country who thinks the devil is real has issues.


I would leave him in, he wont win due to his abhorrent views and losing will be his medicine as he thinks he should win hands down.

[the truth]

Lets face the facts

He is poorly educated and has been, to an extent, brainwashed by his parents about religion. He has been told that the bible, a fictitious midddle eastern fable concoction of books is the template to live his life, obviuously he has not read it but he has read bits and he has taken bits of it he likes to back up his predujices and to hide behind.

"its not me guv it says it in the bible so dont blame me"


Any adult human in this country who thinks the devil is real has issues.


I would leave him in, he wont win due to his abhorrent views and losing will be his medicine as he thinks he should win hands down.

everyone has been brainwashed to various degrees in their youth, everyone

[Crimson Dynamo]

everyone has been brainwashed to various degrees in their youth, everyone

There is no dishonour is teaching the young with the absolute best knowledge we have today that is peer reviewed and as current as is available.

[the truth]

There is no dishonour is teaching the young with the absolute best knowledge we have today that is peer reviewed and as current as is available.

Ive no idea what that means.

[DemolitionRed]

Keep talking Kirk I haven't voted in ML yet :hehe:


Did any of these people complain when BFGW was aired, which gave a glimpse of real traveler life if you looked beyond the dresses and the sequins? You bet your life they didn't

The only thing I complained about (self utterance) during the airing of BFGW was the distasteful way gypsies were portrayed. That programme was about as misleading as those reality programmes about benefit scroungers.

[Livia]

He has a right to his opinion, just like everyone on here. The fact that he's a dick does not alter that. I'm sure he won't be getting many votes though...

[the truth]

He has a right to his opinion, just like everyone on here. The fact that he's a dick does not alter that. I'm sure he won't be getting many votes though...

Id rather he wins than the year they fixed it for princess annes daughter to win, just as they fixed it for princess anne to win it in 1971 when this sporting legend beta off the talentless George best, gareth Edwards etc

[the truth]

The only thing I complained about (self utterance) during the airing of BFGW was the distasteful way gypsies were portrayed. That programme was about as misleading as those reality programmes about benefit scroungers.

gypises have earned their reputation

[Niamh.]

What an asshole

[arista]

What an asshole


Yes what he speaks
terrible.


But Boxing
he now World Champ.


I would assume the BBC will not pick him

[kirklancaster]

Yes what he speaks
terrible.


But Boxing
he now World Champ.


I would assume the BBC will not pick him

The award is SUPPOSED to be 'Sports Personality of The Year' - not Personality who most pleases the Left Wing bullies.

If it is for achieving excellence in Sport - then Fury should win it hands down because he has achieved the impossible in winning the Heavyweight titles - but, alas, I do not think he will win it either now, for the same stinking reasons that sees brave British soldiers ushered into side rooms in hospitals like some criminals because of fear of "Offending our Muslim patients and staff", Christian Nurses and Office staff threatened with dismissal for wearing tiny crucifixes, the banning of traditional Nativity plays in our schools etc etc because the bullying, all vocal, all toxic, 'PC' Brigade - most with sinister anti-UK covert agendas - will intimidate the BBC into NOT giving this young upright WHITE, CHRISTIAN, GYPSY boxer his rightful award.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Has anyone heard from any Christian figure about this issue

you know saying that his views are not Christian?

[Niamh.]

The award is SUPPOSED to be 'Sports Personality of The Year' - not Personality who most pleases the Left Wing bullies.

If it is for achieving excellence in Sport - then Fury should win it hands down because he has achieved the impossible in winning the Heavyweight titles - but, alas, I do not think he will win it either now, for the same stinking reasons that sees brave British soldiers ushered into side rooms in hospitals like some criminals because of fear of "Offending our Muslim patients and staff", Christian Nurses and Office staff threatened with dismissal for wearing tiny crucifixes, the banning of traditional Nativity plays in our schools etc etc because the bullying, all vocal, all toxic, 'PC' Brigade - most with sinister anti-UK covert agendas - will intimidate the BBC into NOT giving this young upright WHITE, CHRISTIAN, GYPSY boxer his rightful award.

"Personality" being the operative word here As a woman, I find his comments disrespectful and offensive, I don't think that makes me a "left wing bully"

[Niamh.]

Also can we not turn this into a thread about Jeremy Corbyn please?

[Crimson Dynamo]

what personality has he got?


all I can see is a misogynistic, ignorant, misinformed bully?

Yes he won the title beating an old man who held it for 10 years as the weight was so piss poor

but where is the so called personality?

[Niamh.]

what personality has he got?


all I can see is a misogynistic, ignorant, misinformed bully?

Yes he won the title beating an old man who held it for 10 years as the weight was so piss poor

but where is the so called personality?

Exactly.

[Tom4784]

Tyson Fury responds to critics after accusations of homophobia and sexism: "Suck my balls"
Petition to have him removed from BBC's Sports Personality of the Year shortlist passes 90,000 signatures.

Over 90,000 people have now signed a petition for Fury to be taken off the list for his controversial views on same-sex relationships.

Speaking about the protesters in an interview with iFL TV, Fury said: "They can suck my balls. How about that for a bit of heavyweight-champion talking?"

He went on to speak about the petition, which had racked up 50,000 signatures at the time of the interview, saying: "50,000 wankers. That's what I say about them.

"If anybody else wants to add to them, they can add to their numbers, can't they?"

The heavyweight boxing champion previously upset LGBT campaigners after comments he reportedly made in an interview with the Mail on Sunday about homosexuality, abortion and paedophilia. Fury would later suggest that he was misquoted.

"There are only three things that need to be accomplished before the Devil comes home. One of them is homosexuality being legal in countries, one of them is abortion and the other is paedophilia," he was quoted as saying.

He has also made controversial remarks about Olympic and world champion heptathlete Jessica Ennis-Hill, saying that "she's good, she's won quite a few medals [and] she slaps up good as well.

"When she's got a dress on, she looks quite fit."

This year's Sports Personality of the Year will be announced on December 20 at a televised ceremony, and the BBC has reiterated its position that Fury deserves to be a contender as nominees are chosen purely on sporting merit and not character.

A BBC spokesperson told Attitude that the corporation isn't planning to reconsider its decision, saying: "The nominees for BBC Sports Personality of the Year are decided on their sporting achievements.

"As Fury became heavyweight champion of the world over the weekend [before the nominations], the panel feel that he should be a contender for this year's award."

http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/news/a776554/tyson-fury-responds-to-critics-after-accusations-of-homophobia-and-sexism-suck-my-balls/

Such a wonderful personality, he definitely deserves to be nominated for it

[kirklancaster]

what personality has he got?


all I can see is a misogynistic, ignorant, misinformed bully?

Yes he won the title beating an old man who held it for 10 years as the weight was so piss poor

but where is the so called personality?

As much as I love some of the past winners on the list below - A.P. Mcoy, Lennox Lewis etc - what 'Personality' did most of these possess? At least Fury is a humorous buffoon.
1950s

1954 Sir Chris Chataway

1955 Gordon Pirie

1956 Jim Laker

1957 Dai Rees

1958 Ian Black

1959 John Surtees

Sir Stirling Moss
Sir Stirling Moss wins 1961 award
1960s

1960 David Broome

1961 Sir Stirling Moss

1962 Anita Lonsbrough

1963 Dorothy Hyman

1964 Mary Rand

1965 Tommy Simpson

1966 Bobby Moore

1967 Sir Henry Cooper

1968 David Hemery

1969 Ann Jones

Lord Sebastian Coe
1979 winner Sebastian Coe
1970s

1970 Sir Henry Cooper

1971 HRH Princess Anne

1972 Dame Mary Peters

1973 Sir Jackie Stewart

1974 Brendan Foster

1975 David Steele

1976 John Curry

1977 Virginia Wade

1978 Steve Ovett

1979 Lord Sebastian Coe

Torvill and Dean
Torvill and Dean with Elton John in 1984
1980s

1980 Robin Cousins

1981 Sir Ian Botham

1982 Daley Thompson

1983 Steve Cram

1984 Torvill and Dean

1985 Barry McGuigan

1986 Nigel Mansell

1987 Fatima Whitbread

1988 Steve Davis

1989 Sir Nick Faldo

Lennox Lewis and Muhammad Ali
1999 Sports Personality Lennox Lewis with Muhammad Ali
1990s

1990 Paul Gascoigne

1991 Liz McColgan

1992 Nigel Mansell

1993 Linford Christie

1994 Damon Hill

1995 Jonathan Edwards

1996 Damon Hill

1997 Greg Rusedski

1998 Michael Owen

1999 Lennox Lewis

Paula Radcliffe
Paula Radcliffe with Sports Personality trophy in 2002
2000s

2000 Sir Steve Redgrave

2001 David Beckham

2002 Paula Radcliffe

2003 Jonny Wilkinson

2004 Dame Kelly Holmes

2005 Andrew Flintoff

2006 Zara Phillips

2007 Joe Calzaghe

2008 Sir Chris Hoy

2009 Ryan Giggs

Bradley Wiggins
The 2012 winner Bradley Wiggins, flanked by David Beckham and the Duchess of Cambridge
2010s

2010 AP McCoy

2011 Mark Cavendish

2012 Sir Bradley Wiggins

2013 Andy Murray

2014 Lewis Hamilton

[bots]

Didn't Steve Davis and Hendry win the sports personality of the year, what personalities do they have. Didn't Andy Murray win it a couple of years ago? :laugh:

Its about sporting achievement, and that is supposed to exclude politics or anything non sport related. In terms of achievement, he won a world boxing title, if people think that's wonderful, he will win it.

[kirklancaster]

Has anyone heard from any Christian figure about this issue

you know saying that his views are not Christian?

They are certainly not MY views and I'm sure not the views of most true Christians. But because he has spouted his extremist views does not make him the 'Devil Incarnate' and I say again his views are ridiculous and offensive but he is not inciting people to kill or other such bile.

[Tom4784]

As much as I love some of the past winners on the list below - A.P. Mcoy, Lennox Lewis etc - what 'Personality' did most of these possess? At least Fury is a humorous buffon.
1950s

1954 Sir Chris Chataway

1955 Gordon Pirie

1956 Jim Laker

1957 Dai Rees

1958 Ian Black

1959 John Surtees

Sir Stirling Moss
Sir Stirling Moss wins 1961 award
1960s

1960 David Broome

1961 Sir Stirling Moss

1962 Anita Lonsbrough

1963 Dorothy Hyman

1964 Mary Rand

1965 Tommy Simpson

1966 Bobby Moore

1967 Sir Henry Cooper

1968 David Hemery

1969 Ann Jones

Lord Sebastian Coe
1979 winner Sebastian Coe
1970s

1970 Sir Henry Cooper

1971 HRH Princess Anne

1972 Dame Mary Peters

1973 Sir Jackie Stewart

1974 Brendan Foster

1975 David Steele

1976 John Curry

1977 Virginia Wade

1978 Steve Ovett

1979 Lord Sebastian Coe

Torvill and Dean
Torvill and Dean with Elton John in 1984
1980s

1980 Robin Cousins

1981 Sir Ian Botham

1982 Daley Thompson

1983 Steve Cram

1984 Torvill and Dean

1985 Barry McGuigan

1986 Nigel Mansell

1987 Fatima Whitbread

1988 Steve Davis

1989 Sir Nick Faldo

Lennox Lewis and Muhammad Ali
1999 Sports Personality Lennox Lewis with Muhammad Ali
1990s

1990 Paul Gascoigne

1991 Liz McColgan

1992 Nigel Mansell

1993 Linford Christie

1994 Damon Hill

1995 Jonathan Edwards

1996 Damon Hill

1997 Greg Rusedski

1998 Michael Owen

1999 Lennox Lewis

Paula Radcliffe
Paula Radcliffe with Sports Personality trophy in 2002
2000s

2000 Sir Steve Redgrave

2001 David Beckham

2002 Paula Radcliffe

2003 Jonny Wilkinson

2004 Dame Kelly Holmes

2005 Andrew Flintoff

2006 Zara Phillips

2007 Joe Calzaghe

2008 Sir Chris Hoy

2009 Ryan Giggs

Bradley Wiggins
The 2012 winner Bradley Wiggins, flanked by David Beckham and the Duchess of Cambridge
2010s

2010 AP McCoy

2011 Mark Cavendish

2012 Sir Bradley Wiggins

2013 Andy Murray

2014 Lewis Hamilton

A lack of a personality is better than a wretched one.

[the truth]

beckham is boring as hell too

[kirklancaster]

"Personality" being the operative word here As a woman, I find his comments disrespectful and offensive, I don't think that makes me a "left wing bully"

In my very first post on this I said that his remarks were ridiculous and offensive, and I am not saying that ALL those who find them so are 'Left Wing Bullies', just that it the same 'Left Wing Bullies' who have shaped the more ludicrous of the changes forced upon our traditions by their 'PC' vocalisation who will use his silly remarks to stop him winning this award.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They are certainly not MY views and I'm sure not the views of most true Christians. But because he has spouted his extremist views does not make him the 'Devil Incarnate' and I say again his views are ridiculous and offensive but he is not inciting people to kill or other such bile.

no and all people are saying is

1.he is a dick
2. he is not suitable for the BBC award

[kirklancaster]

A lack of a personality is better than a wretched one.

But now we are 'moving the goalposts' Dezzy. He satisfies the 'SPORTS' part of the award, and does posses a 'Personality', be it a 'wretched one', whereas some past winners did not even possess any type of personality.

[Niamh.]

In my very first post on this I said that his remarks were ridiculous and offensive, and I am not saying that ALL those who find them so are 'Left Wing Bullies', just that it the same 'Left Wing Bullies' who have shaped the more ludicrous of the changes forced upon our traditions by their 'PC' vocalisation who will use his silly remarks to stop him winning this award.

no and all people are saying is

1.he is a dick
2. he is not suitable for the BBC award

Yep this really

[Tom4784]

But now we are 'moving the goalposts' Dezzy. He satisfies the 'SPORTS' part of the award, and does posses a 'Personality', be it a 'wretched one', whereas some past winners did not even possess any type of personality.

Not really at all, but nice try trying to trip me up using my own terminology.

Someone can be likable even if they don't have a huge personality. It's easy to like people like David Beckham because of his achievements and because he seems like a nice person.

It's ridiculous to nominate Tyson Fury, he may have a louder personality than most but it's also repugnant. He isn't likable. The fact that he's an awful human being overrides his achievements and makes him a strange nomination for a 'Sports Personality' award.

[kirklancaster]

Not really at all, but nice try trying to trip me up using my own terminology.

Someone can be likable even if they don't have a huge personality. It's easy to like people like David Beckham because of his achievements and because he seems like a nice person.

It's ridiculous to nominate Tyson Fury, he may have a louder personality than most but it's also repugnant. He isn't likable. The fact that he's an awful human being overrides his achievements and makes him a strange nomination for a 'Sports Personality' award.

I was not trying to trip you up - this isn't personal. I was responding to your post.

Like all contentious subjects, it all comes down in the end to our own opinions and perceptions. I am an avid boxing fan so Fury's achievement - for me - is collossal and for that alone he deserves recognition and an award.

Do I think that his idiotic comments are offensive? YES.

Do I think that they should win him a 'Human of The Year' award? NO.

And as idiotic and offensive as some of his comments are, they are LESS idiotic and offensive than many comments and acts of other famous people who have attained lofty positions or capitalised on such traits to become rich and even more famous, and I do not believe that these 'gaffes' should prevent Fury winning Sports Personality of The Year'.

If he does NOT win it - it should NOT be for the reasons people are citing. In my opinion.

[Shaun]

At least he'll lose with ease to Hamilton and Murray. I just wish there was more coverage of the smaller sports because getting the bronze in the women's world cup and continuing to be world champion in the long jump, heptathlon (literally more sports to achieve in) and what not is far more respectable than a bloke who punched another bloke and won on a judges decision. I just don't understand the celebration of his supposed boxing achievement when he's fought two fights this year. I don't doubt he's trained and worked a hell of a lot but it's just such a dull, barbaric sport for preening twats.

[user104658]

Like all contentious subjects, it all comes down in the end to our own opinions and perceptions. I am an avid boxing fan so Fury's achievement - for me - is collossal and for that alone he deserves recognition and an award.


He has recognition and an award though - he is World Heavyweight Champion and anyone with a vague interest in sports is aware of the circumstances of his victory. For anyone who doesn't have any interest in Sports... well... the whole thing is irrelevant, surely.

In my opinion, being honest, the "Sports Personality" award should really go to someone in the world of sports who has done or achieved something that hasn't been recognised through their own sport - e.g. setting up a sports center for troubled kids, going above and beyond with charity work, or even just doing a lot to really further and drive their sport forward. If there was a Sporting Achievement award for something that could be considered above the norm (which does apply in this case, it's a fascinating story) then there's no reason he shouldn't be considered.

But he has really done nothing at all for the image of Boxing. In fact, he has done and said a lot to really set the sport back decades; back to the image of boxing not as a professional and disciplined art... but a slugging match for aggressive, thuggish, unintelligent blokes. Back to the days of Tyson Original biting off ears, etc. An image which it was starting to pull away from.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It has to be Andy Murray

[EspeonBB]

He's a ****.

And for people defending him using freedom of speech, yes he does but everyone else also has freedom to criticize him for his statements and the right to be offended. It works both ways.

[bots]

I just can't get excited about it, the guy is a prize knob, and the sports personality of the year is a non award of zero significance. Its got about as much relevance as crowning someone king/queen of the jungle.

[Jack_]

What's ****ing astounding here is that very often on this forum people make the argument that certain people shouldn't win Big Brother (or other reality shows for that matter) because they're not very nice people, have said or done twattish things, and that as a result it would be 'immoral' if they won, and so should be evicted far in advance of that point.

Bearing in mind that mentality is in the context of a ****ing television programme of which its result will have no effect on its viewers, or any kind of cultural impact, just said person being financially rewarded (as if there aren't already thousands of ***** around the world making money they don't deserve). Yet here is an award that is culturally significant, does reflect a nation's beliefs, can endorse certain values and influence people as a result - and we're told it's perfectly okay for us to brush his comments under the carpet, pretend it's irrelevant and continue to support both his nomination and hypothetical win.

What an absolutely ****ing ludicrous display of misplaced priorities and supposed 'morality'. This forum never ceases to amaze me :umm2:

[Cherie]

He's a ****.

And for people defending him using freedom of speech, yes he does but everyone else also has freedom to criticize him for his statements and the right to be offended. It works both ways.

No one has said on this thread that you can't voice your opinion, people want Fury removed from a sports award ceremony because they don't agree with his

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its not the prize or award its the fact its the BBC's flagship sports show and its a celebration of all sporting prowess this year


Can anyone really see the auditorium standing clapping if TF gets up to get his award from Sue?

I cant

For a start Sue should be at home making tea

[Cherie]

Its not the prize or award its the fact its the BBC's flagship sports show and its a celebration of all sporting prowess this year


Can anyone really see the auditorium standing clapping if TF gets up to get his award from Sue?

I cant

For a start Sue should be at home making tea

Maybe she will offer him a cup ...:fan:

[Dollface]

Ew @ him tbh

[Brother Leon]

So Murray should win instead as Fury has a crap personality...what? Lol

[Niamh.]

Its not the prize or award its the fact its the BBC's flagship sports show and its a celebration of all sporting prowess this year


Can anyone really see the auditorium standing clapping if TF gets up to get his award from Sue?

I cant

For a start Sue should be at home making tea

That's funny but it actually illustrates the problem with him very very well

[Cherie]

That's funny but it actually illustrates the problem with him very very well

Is that not part of traveller culture though, the women keep the house and the men are breadwinners? Who are we to judge other people for their beliefs and what works in their cultures

[Cherie]

So Murray should win instead as Fury has a crap personality...what? Lol

Andy personality Murray I wouldn't mind but he wasn't exactly popular in England after his anti English comments until he won the Olympics :fan:

[Niamh.]

Is that not part of traveller culture though, the women keep the house and the men are breadwinners? Who are we to judge other people for their beliefs and what works in their cultures

I can judge all I like thank you very much, it may be their culture but he's still saying a womans place is in the kitchen or on her back and as a woman I find that offensive whether his wife minds him saying it or not :shrug:

Just because people have different cultures doesn't mean I have to like or agree with them. What about the practice of female genital mutilation, should I respect that also?

[Tom4784]

'It's their culture' isn't an excuse for backwards thinking, also it's offensive to suggest that the entire traveler community is as bigoted as this fool.

[Dollface]

Is that not part of traveller culture though, the women keep the house and the men are breadwinners? Who are we to judge other people for their beliefs and what works in their cultures

Of course we can judge him for it, whether it's a part of his culture or not.

[Kizzy]

Then there needs to be a traveller revolt, those women who don't want to be just wives should say so, that's all it would take :/
As for his religious views he's not alone in that thinking is he? and even though things are changing it's at a slower rate in some places than others.
Maybe his achievements are great but I wouldn't say his off screen persona warrants 'personality' of the year in all honesty.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is that not part of traveller culture though, the women keep the house and the men are breadwinners? Who are we to judge other people for their beliefs and what works in their cultures

yes they men all go out and do their 9-5 office jobs..

[kirklancaster]

And Lewis Hamilton is more deserving of a place in the line up than Fury? :laugh:

He CHEATED during the Australian Grand Prix in 2009.

He CHEATED during his relationship with Nicole Scherzinger.

Fury might spout bollocks but he is a loving Father and husband who DOTES on his wife and kids.

I don't see anyone onjecting to Hamilton being in the contest.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And Lewis Hamilton is more deserving of a place in the line up than Fury? :laugh:

He CHEATED during the Australian Grand Prix in 2009.

He CHEATED during his relationship with Nicole Scherzinger.

Fury might spout bollocks but he is a loving Father and husband who DOTES on his wife and kids.

I don't see anyone onjecting to Hamilton being in the contest.

you have no idea what type of father he is

[Cherie]

'It's their culture' isn't an excuse for backwards thinking, also it's offensive to suggest that the entire traveler community is as bigoted as this fool.

Yet it's fine for Muslims to have backwards thinking apparently as you are always defending their right to this and that

[Cherie]

yes they men all go out and do their 9-5 office jobs..

If you say so!

[Cherie]

I can judge all I like thank you very much, it may be their culture but he's still saying a womans place is in the kitchen or on her back and as a woman I find that offensive whether his wife minds him saying it or not :shrug:

Just because people have different cultures doesn't mean I have to like or agree with them. What about the practice of female genital mutilation, should I respect that also?

I'm not saying you have to agree with them I'm saying he is entitled to his opinion, I. Not saying it's right but we can't have free speech just for stuff we agree with and no free speech for alternate views, he is not harming me with his views is he harming you?

[kirklancaster]

you have no idea what type of father he is

Of course I have an idea - from everything I have seen, read and heard over the years from him, his wife, his family and friends, his promoter, and even some of his opponents.

[Niamh.]

I'm not saying you have to agree with them I'm saying he is entitled to his opinion, I. Not saying it's right but we can't have free speech just for stuff we agree with and no free speech for alternate views, he is not harming me with his views is he harming you?

All I'm doing is exercising my freedom of speech though by saying he's a **** who doesn't deserve to be awarded any Personality of the year awards........

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course I have an idea - from everything I have seen, read and heard over the years from him, his wife, his family and friends, his promoter, and even some of his opponents.

and you think a good father teaches his children that gay people are in cahoots with the devil and that a womans place is either in the kitchen or on their back?

:umm2:

[Kizzy]

Of course I have an idea - from everything I have seen, read and heard over the years from him, his wife, his family and friends, his promoter, and even some of his opponents.

Most people want more for their daughters than to be a glorified skivvy.

[kirklancaster]

and you think a good father teaches his children that gay people are in cahoots with the devil and that a womans place is either in the kitchen or on their back?

:umm2:

WHERE did I mention him being a 'GOOD FATHER'?

I said:

"Fury might spout bollocks but he is a loving Father and husband who DOTES on his wife and kids."

There are diverse and many interpretations of being a 'good father' but only one interpretation of the words 'loving' and 'dotes'.

I call a good father someone who works for his kids, sacrifices for his kids, puts his kids first,and does not abuse or sexually abuse his kids.

The fact that Fury might teach his kids chauvinism by example, is mitigated when such chauvinism is the accepted traditional custom among their culture.

The fact that Fury might specifically teach his children homophobia because of of his own extremist religious views is wrong and what stops him justifiably being labelled a 'GOOD FATHER' rather than just a loving doting one - if that is the case - but this has not been alleged nor proved to my knowledge.

If you teach your own kids your own extreme form of atheism and religious intolerance, are you a 'GOOD FATHER' even though you may be a 'loving' and 'doting' one?

[Crimson Dynamo]

WHERE did I mention him being a 'GOOD FATHER'?

I said:

"Fury might spout bollocks but he is a loving Father and husband who DOTES on his wife and kids."

There are diverse and many interpretations of being a 'good father' but only one interpretation of the words 'loving' and 'dotes'.

I call a good father someone who works for his kids, sacrifices for his kids, puts his kids first,and does not abuse or sexually abuse his kids.

The fact that Fury might teach his kids chauvinism by example, is mitigated when such chauvinism is the accepted traditional custom among their culture.

The fact that Fury might specifically teach his children homophobia because of of his own extremist religious views is wrong and what stops him justifiably being labelled a 'GOOD FATHER' rather than just a loving doting one - if that is the case - but this has not been alleged nor proved to my knowledge.

If you teach your own kids your own extreme form of atheism and religious intolerance, are you a 'GOOD FATHER' even though you may be a 'loving' and 'doting' one?

there is no extreme atheism

we are all atheists

i simply go one more god than you do but we both agree about the 99% of other gods

[kirklancaster]

Most people want more for their daughters than to be a glorified skivvy.

How can you denigrate Fury's wife in such a way? She is happy and healthy and content and wealthy - thanks to her loving husband.

Surely SHE is a better judge of what SHE wants than you are.

Most non-Gypsy people want more than prostitution, drug addiction, multiple children to different fathers and a freely elected lifetime on benefits for their daughters too, but that is often not the case.

True Gypsies have their own unique culture - and unlike certain cultures which are too many times defended on here - that 'different' culture does not HURT us in any way. Does it?

[kirklancaster]

there is no extreme atheism

we are all atheists

i simply go one more god than you do but we both agree about the 99% of other gods

Deflection LT. Pedantics. But I am not an Atheist at all. I USED to be.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Deflection LT. Pedantics. But I am not an Atheist at all. I USED to be.

So you believe in the Muslim God and the Hindu ones?

Plus all the Greek ones?

[kirklancaster]

So you believe in the Muslim God and the Hindu ones?

Plus all the Greek ones?

:laugh: Yep - of couse I do, and the 'One-Eyed Yellow Idol To The North of Kathmandu'.

And I believe you are not winding me up as well. :smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:laugh: Yep - of couse I do, and the 'One-Eyed Yellow Idol To The North of Kathmandu'.

And I believe you are not winding me up as well. :smug:

i am not

like all religionists you think your god is real and the rest are not

[kirklancaster]

i am not

like all religionists you think your god is real and the rest are not

Well then, that puts a different slant on things. Suffice it to say that I do not 'think' my God is real, I KNOW he is, and by default, if there is only one TRUE God, then that means every other person of Faith is calling my God by a different name or wasting their time.

Finally, I believe as passionately in the existence of my God as you disbelieve in him.

[Tom4784]

Yet it's fine for Muslims to have backwards thinking apparently as you are always defending their right to this and that

Proof? Go on. Find me proof. You won't because I've never said anything like that. I would never defend anyone who says the **** that Fury has.

Get your facts right in future because that was a pathetic attempt at trying to drag me.

[DemolitionRed]

gypises have earned their reputation

Some gypsies have earned a reputation for all gypsies. There's a big difference between Roma gypsies and Irish travellers and this programme did little to represent the Roma gypsies.

[Northern Monkey]

Roma Gypsies are the worst.They'll try and sell you some crap or offer you a flower while their kids are pick pocketing you.I've seen it happen.Travel companies warn you about them when you travel into parts of Europe.

[Cherie]

Proof? Go on. Find me proof. You won't because I've never said anything like that. I would never defend anyone who says the **** that Fury has.

Get your facts right in future because that was a pathetic attempt at trying to drag me.


:joker: I don't need to drag you, you defend Muslims all the time, these would be the same people who if they follow their faith correctly frown on homosexuality, arrange marriages, not allow women to be in the same room as men on certain occasions etc etc similar culture to travellers really :hee:

[kirklancaster]

Some gypsies have earned a reputation for all gypsies. There's a big difference between Roma gypsies and Irish travellers and this programme did little to represent the Roma gypsies.

I absolutely agree Red that - as with most things - SOME cast ALL in a bad light.

[smudgie]

Our local Gypsy spokesman is gay, Oooops, ex spokesman as he is now serving sentence for fraud.
He had a big gay gypsy wedding as well so not all are against being gay.:shrug:

[Tom4784]

:joker: I don't need to drag you, you defend Muslims all the time, these would be the same people who if they follow their faith correctly frown on homosexuality, arrange marriages, not allow women to be in the same room as men on certain occasions etc etc similar culture to travellers really :hee:

Reading comprehension is important, Cherie.

Saying that I don't believe all Muslims should be accountable for the actions of a few isn't the same as saying that I agree with the practices of the few in question and it's got absolutely nothing to do with you essentially branding travelers as sexist bigots and that that's okay because it's 'part of their culture.'

You must be quite desperate to get one over on me to make such a silly leap of logic.

[user104658]

Our local Gypsy spokesman

Is this a thing??

[smudgie]

Is this a thing??

Hell yeah.
If there is ever any trouble then he send to pop up on the local news.
There is a legal gypsy camp not too far away, never hear about them normally until some trouble flares up.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Reading comprehension is important, Cherie.

Saying that I don't believe all Muslims should be accountable for the actions of a few isn't the same as saying that I agree with the practices of the few in question and it's got absolutely nothing to do with you essentially branding travelers as sexist bigots and that that's okay because it's 'part of their culture.'

You must be quite desperate to get one over on me to make such a silly leap of logic.

Ive no idea why you think I need to get one over on you :umm2: my point still stands whether you dismiss it or not.

[DemolitionRed]

The thing about some gypsies is, they think of themselves strict Catholics and just like many Christians throughout Europe and indeed the world, they follow the bible code that states a woman's use is to produce male offspring and cater to the men in their lives.

We don't have to go back more than a seventy or so years in this country to see how women were expected to accept their lot and we can still see this in the poorer or more rural parts of Europe, especially Eastern Europe where the older women still cover their hair and still consider their husband to be the boss.

If gypsies lived like Quakers, we would totally accept their different ways and think them quaint but a lot don't; the gypsies society we hate are the ones who live in no go areas, even for the police. Crime is rife, fighting is an expected part of growing up for the men folk and the single women, at least on that programme seemed to dress and dance provocatively, even though they are virgins. All of this gives out confusing messages to us none gypsies. How can they be strict Catholics if they have such little regard for law and order?.

The answer is, many gypsies have held onto parts of their religion that suits them and disregarded other parts of it that don't. What we see as female repression, they see as the will of God, just like Muslim women. Its not about tradition, its about religion, at least for them.

[Tom4784]

Ive no idea why you think I need to get one over on you :umm2: my point still stands whether you dismiss it or not.

Except it doesn't.

What's the link between holding an entire group of people accountable for the actions of a few to thinking that Tyson Fury is a dick? I'm consistent since I'm not blaming him being a **** human being on the fact that he's a traveler. I don't think his behavior is indicative of all travelers. I just think he's a dick.

[letmein]

He's a boxer. lol. How many blows to the head has he taken?

[letmein]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/12/8/434825/default/v1/mirror-1-992x558.jpg

Britain = USSR

[kirklancaster]

He's a boxer. lol. How many blows to the head has he taken?

:laugh: I actually believe that the more offensive and ridiculous of Fury's extreme views were ingrained in him long before he took up boxing LetMeIn.

[Cherie]

Tyson has said that he doesn't hate anyone as that would be against his Christian beliefs and his wife has confirmed that some of the stuff he says makes her cringe so storm in a teacup over for now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

to be fair to Fury his views are the exact same as every Iman and every Catholic Priest in the UK

[the truth]

this fury claims to be born again, but Jesus NEVER condemned homosexuality....One of the few shall we say ambiguous speeches included..“Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12)

Most theologists interpret this as Jesus accepting some men are born different

[Crimson Dynamo]

this fury claims to be born again, but Jesus NEVER condemned homosexuality....One of the few shall we say ambiguous speeches included..“Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12)

Most theologists interpret this as Jesus accepting some men are born different

er no

Jesus is saying that celibacy may well be an option for some of his followers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

maybe Fury is using the slightly less ambiguous passage from Leviticus?

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."


I would wager he is channelling the OT

[user104658]

this fury claims to be born again, but Jesus NEVER condemned homosexuality....One of the few shall we say ambiguous speeches included..“Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12)

Most theologists interpret this as Jesus accepting some men are born different

There are a few theologians who actually think the J-man dabbled a bit himself. Tromboning, most likely.

[Josy]

Closed for cleaning. I may or may not reopen but when I do get round to cleaning this there will be infractions and bans being handed out. We have given enough warnings in this section lately.