Muslim thrown off NE coach in Bristol after passenger said they felt "uncomfortable"

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276268/Article/images/28312057/11540250-large.jpg

A man was thrown off a National Express coach in Bristol after a passenger said they felt "uncomfortable" - because he was a Muslim.

The man had boarded the service, which runs to London Victoria, at Bristol Coach Station at 10.30am on Thursday morning, but was promptly told to leave by a member of National Express staff after a woman onboard the coach said she would feel "uncomfortable" travelling with him.

Fellow passengers looked on in disbelief as the man left the coach with the member of National Express staff.

Passengers were told the man had been asked to leave because he had too much luggage, but University of Bristol student Rebekah Makinde said the complaints were clearly made because of the man's religion.



Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Man-thrown-National-Express-coach-Bristol/story-28312057-detail/story.html#ixzz3tkb8h1lI


Better to be safe than sorry. Blame the violent wing of that religion and not the concerned traveller.

[Shaun]

Or don't.

[GiRTh]

Or don't.x2

[AProducer'sWetDream]

"Better to be safe than sorry."

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

female passengers complained he 'looked shifty'

[bots]

was the extra luggage a suicide vest? :hehe:

I'm always suspicious of stories that have the form .. he was thrown of because of blah, but we all know the real reason is he was black/green/ a vegetarian etc.

[Crimson Dynamo]

National Express, which was running the service, insisted he had been asked to leave because he refused to put a printer he was carrying in the hold.

[Lostie!]

Better to be safe than sorry. Blame the violent wing of that religion and not the concerned traveller.

Concerned traveller? Ignorant, small-minded traveller more like.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Concerned traveller? Ignorant, small-minded traveller more like.

No, vigilant lady who is aware of terrorist threat posed by some Muslims in the UK

Cant be too careful as terrorists do not wear badges saying I am a terrorist

[MB.]

female passengers complained he 'looked shifty'

I'm sure the females on here do the same for you but you don't get thrown off the forum for it LT

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm sure the females on here do the same for you but you don't get thrown off the forum for it LT

i do get infractions for shiftyness

:nono:

[JoshBB]

This is the start of fascism. Look at Nazi Germany, fear and scaremongering around Jews.. discrimination shrugged under the rug. I honestly can't believe people are repeating the exact same thing but to another religious group.

[Lostie!]

No, vigilant lady who is aware of terrorist threat posed by some Muslims in the UK

Cant be too careful as terrorists do not wear badges saying I am a terrorist

What about the non-Muslim terrorists? Or what about the countless other violent crimes committed on a seemingly daily basis by white people? Please tell me why it's only Muslims causing the worry.

It's ignorance and, frankly, borderline racism as far as I'm concerned.

[GiRTh]

What about the non-Muslim terrorists? Or what about the countless other violent crimes committed on a seemingly daily basis by white people? Please tell me why it's only Muslims causing the worry.

It's ignorance and, frankly, borderline racism as far as I'm concerned.

This is the start of fascism. Look at Nazi Germany, fear and scaremongering around Jews.. discrimination shrugged under the rug. I honestly can't believe people are repeating the exact same thing but to another religious group.

:clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

What about the non-Muslim terrorists? Or what about the countless other violent crimes committed on a seemingly daily basis by white people? Please tell me why it's only Muslims causing the worry.

It's ignorance and, frankly, borderline racism as far as I'm concerned.

sorry what terrorists do you refer too that are threatening the UK at this very moment that are non-muslim?

[Cherie]

The woman should have been asked to leave the coach instead if the only issue was his religion :umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The woman should have been asked to leave the coach instead if the only issue was his religion :umm2:

no he had lots of luggage and refused to put it in the hold. I would have been worried to. Well done to the driver to get him off.

[Jake.]

Or don't.

https://49.media.tumblr.com/1604c3f031a3571f902fad44bb4f8bf2/tumblr_nyymmrwQhy1ry6ncno4_250.gif

[GiRTh]

sorry what terrorists do you refer too that are threatening the UK at this very moment that are non-muslim?



What is domestic extremism?

Domestic extremism mainly refers to individuals or groups that carry out criminal acts of direct action in pursuit of a campaign. They usually aim to prevent something from happening or to change legislation or domestic policy, but try to do so outside of the normal democratic process. They are motivated by domestic causes other than the dispute over Northern Ireland’s status.

At various times in the recent past, a range of groups have fallen into this category. They have included violent Scottish and Welsh nationalists, right- and left-wing extremists, animal rights extremists and other militant single-issue protesters.

The vast majority of people involved in animal rights, nationalist and political campaigns are peaceful. However, such causes have sometimes attracted extremists who have resorted to violence and intimidation. For example, some extremist animal rights campaigners have attacked property and made threats of violence. They have also posted hoax bombs to homes and offices as part of organised campaigns against animal-testing companies.

Domestic extremists may seek to carry out solo acts of violence. In 1999, David Copeland, a neo-Nazi, carried out a series of bomb attacks against gay and ethnic minority targets in London. His attacks killed three people and injured 129 more.
Countering domestic extremism

For the most part the actions of domestic extremists pose a threat to public order, but not to national security. They are normally investigated by the police, not MI5.

The National Domestic Extremism and Disorder Intelligence Unit, formerly known as the National Domestic Extremism Unit, continues to take the lead in setting the strategic national direction for domestic extremism intelligence and supports UK police forces in tackling these threats.

The NDEDIU remains part of the SO15 Counter Terrorism Command under the existing Metropolitan Police lead force arrangements.

LINK (https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/about-us/what-we-do/the-threats/terrorism/domestic-extremism.html)

[Kizzy]

What a humiliating experience, honestly the level of paranoia it ratcheting to unprecedented levels.

[bots]

LINK (https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/about-us/what-we-do/the-threats/terrorism/domestic-extremism.html)

yes, but who other than extremist muslims are a domestic terrorist threat in the UK at the present time?

[Kizzy]

Um the far right... I would say they as a group are a pretty big threat.

[bots]

Um the far right... I would say they as a group are a pretty big threat.

what terrorist acts have they committed recently?

[GiRTh]

yes, but who other than extremist muslims are a domestic terrorist threat in the UK at the present time?

From the link.

At various times in the recent past, a range of groups have fallen into this category. They have included violent Scottish and Welsh nationalists, right- and left-wing extremists, animal rights extremists and other militant single-issue protesters.

[bots]

From thge link.

none of those are active at the present time or indescriminate in their attacks.

[GiRTh]

none of those are active at the present time or indescriminate in their attacks.
How are you sure?

[bots]

How are you sure?

i keep an eye on current news ... like we all do.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What a humiliating experience, honestly the level of paranoia it ratcheting to unprecedented levels.

hardly paranoia when 6 nasty terrorist atrocities have been stopped in the UK already this year by the security services, the threat is very real

[Lostie!]

sorry what terrorists do you refer too that are threatening the UK at this very moment that are non-muslim?

Terrorists are constantly a threat, not just the ones currently making headlines. One group being the most prominent doesn't suddenly erase the existence of others.

And care to address the point of other acts of violence that are constantly being committed even by non-Muslims? We seem to hear about a new murder every day. Why exactly is having a Muslim removed from a coach at all a realistic step in remaining safer?

[Suze]

This seems way over the top, but also disgusting to say the least if thrown off for no other reason than that. But surely they can't just throw them off for that? so either there is more to this re the news item or something was looked for to use as an excuse to throw them off.

[GiRTh]

i keep an eye on current news ... like we all do.
Me too,

[Crimson Dynamo]

Terrorists are constantly a threat, not just the ones currently making headlines. One group being the most prominent doesn't suddenly erase the existence of others.

And care to address the point of other acts of violence that are constantly being committed even by non-Muslims? We seem to hear about a new murder every day. Why exactly is having a Muslim removed from a coach at all a realistic step in remaining safer?

i have no idea what your point is about random murders in the UK and the threat of an ISIS type terror attack?

[bots]

I don't believe this is a genuine story. For one, if there was genuine suspicion that the person was a terrorist, he wouldn't simply have been told to go on his way and get off the bus. The police would have been called.

I believe he did probably have too much luggage

[Jake.]

i keep an eye on current news ... like we all do.

Same, doesn't turn me into a bigot though (not referring to yourself, the people on the bus)

[Kazanne]

People are just being silly now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't believe this is a genuine story. For one, if there was genuine suspicion that the person was a terrorist, he wouldn't simply have been told to go on his way and get off the bus. The police would have been called.

I believe he did probably have too much luggage

i think he must have been a bit of a mentalist too

[Lostie!]

i have no idea what your point is about random murders in the UK and the threat of an ISIS type terror attack?

My point (which I thought was crystal clear :unsure:) is that an ISIS type terror attack isn't the only potential violent crime we're in danger of falling victim to and treating all Muslims (and only Muslims) like potential murderers is absurd and a shameful example of bigotry.

[Crimson Dynamo]

My point (which I thought was crystal clear :unsure:) is that an ISIS type terror attack isn't the only potential violent crime we're in danger of falling victim to and treating all Muslims (and only Muslims) like potential murderers is absurd and a shameful example of bigotry.
there would be no problem if muslim terrorists were not killing people in the name of Islam

blame the source

[Lostie!]

And I've officially met the brick wall. :facepalm:

[Jake.]

there would be no problem if muslim terrorists were not killing people in the name of Islam

blame the source

Yeah sorry Mock but use your noddle a bit

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thing is, what does a terrorist look like? There have been blonde, white, female terrorists. The women that complained could've got an innocent muslim-looking man thrown off the bus, and then straight after a seemingly innocent looking young woman could have blown the bus up.

indeed

best to be vigilant and stay safe

:suspect:

[GiRTh]

Thing is, what does a terrorist look like? There have been blonde, white, female terrorists. The women that complained could've got an innocent muslim-looking man thrown off the bus, and then straight after a seemingly innocent looking young woman could have blown the bus up.
Exactly, so why pick on the Muslim when the threat could come from anyone. :thumbs:

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2015/12/07/14/national-express-twitter.JPG

[Kizzy]

none of those are active at the present time or indescriminate in their attacks.

'Ministers must not ignore the growing threat of violence from far-right extremists in Britain in the wake of ISIS terrorism and crimes involving UK Muslims, a senior Home Office adviser said today.
The anonymous expert on right-wing extremism warned that the Government is putting an emphasis on the ‘global jihadist agenda’ while possibly ignoring the growth of the far-right at home.
The adviser warned of the importance of preventing a violent attack being carried out by the far-right in Britain in the future.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2760863/Government-not-ignore-growing-threat-violence-UK-far-right-extremists-wake-ISIS.html

Next month, the former leader of the English Defence League, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, often known by the pseudonym Tommy Robinson, will make his political comeback by fronting the relaunch of the UK arm of Pegida, the German anti-Islam organisation whose provocative rhetoric has prompted attacks on refugees

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/05/far-right-muslim-cultural-civil-war

[user104658]

It's clearly becoming more widespread; I had a customer (a long-term regular) completely at random go off on one at an Asian guy who was just sitting minding his own business. It was awful; all "We're sick of your ****ing type, over here blowing up our people." and the classic "**** off Jihadi John". He also referred to him as "Mr ISIS". I have no idea how the guy stayed so calm - sadly I can only assume he's used to it. The guy wasn't even "foreign" (not that this would be an excuse) - he had an obvious Scottish accent and had literally done nothing at all other than, presumably, have the wrong features.

For obvious reasons, I asked Robbie Racist to leave and not come back. He left with his tail between his legs and hasn't been seen since.

To be fair to the wider public (for once) - there were quite a few other people telling him he was massively out of order.

[Nedusa]

He should have been made wear an Islamic emblem on his jacket.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He should have been made wear an Islamic emblem on his jacket.

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/moneybox/2015/08/16/donald_trump_on_immigration_build_border_fence_mak e_mexico_pay_for_it/483208412-real-estate-tycoon-donald-trump-flashes-the-thumbs-up.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

[DemolitionRed]

It's clearly becoming more widespread; I had a customer (a long-term regular) completely at random go off on one at an Asian guy who was just sitting minding his own business. It was awful; all "We're sick of your ****ing type, over here blowing up our people." and the classic "**** off Jihadi John". He also referred to him as "Mr ISIS". I have no idea how the guy stayed so calm - sadly I can only assume he's used to it. The guy wasn't even "foreign" (not that this would be an excuse) - he had an obvious Scottish accent and had literally done nothing at all other than, presumably, have the wrong features.

For obvious reasons, I asked Robbie Racist to leave and not come back. He left with his tail between his legs and hasn't been seen since.

To be fair to the wider public (for once) - there were quite a few other people telling him he was massively out of order.

I saw something similar recently. I was washing a quilt in my local laundrette when these two African women started on a Muslim couple who were, just like me, doing their washing. They wouldn't allow the couple to sit down and told them they couldn't use that tumble dryer or that one of the other one because they were going to use them. They then sat there, talking loudly about how these effing Muslims should feck-off home.

I reported them to the laundry staff and they did go and have a word with them and ensured this couple did have a seat and did have a tumble dryer.

[DemolitionRed]

Must feel fantastic having that racist support behind you LT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Must feel fantastic having that racist support behind you LT.

If you are calling forum members racist then I will report you

so who are racists?

[Samm]

This is the start of fascism. Look at Nazi Germany, fear and scaremongering around Jews.. discrimination shrugged under the rug. I honestly can't believe people are repeating the exact same thing but to another religious group.

!!

[Pete.]

This makes me fume

[Kizzy]

If you are calling forum members racist then I will report you

so who are racists?

She means Trump.... touchy touchy.

[GiRTh]

If you are calling forum members racist then I will report you

so who are racists?:joker:

[EspeonBB]

He should have been made wear an Islamic emblem on his jacket.

Jews having to wear the Star of David just before the Holocaust teas

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker:

well i would never have guessed you

or would I (avatar smokescreen... classic)

:suspect:

[Samm]

Jews having to wear the Star of David just before the Holocaust teas

!!!

Yet again another case of people not learning from the past, another point is that doing all this will make the situation much worse, it will cause a divide. It's just stupid, they should be tackling Isis not innocent people.

[GiRTh]

well i would never have guessed you

or would I (avatar smokescreen... classic)

:suspect:eh? :shrug:

He wasnt calling you racist. Touchy arent we??

[Crimson Dynamo]

eh? :shrug:

He wasnt calling you racist. Touchy arent we??
i never said you did:conf:

[GiRTh]

i never said you did:conf::conf:

No idea what you're on about.

[Johnnyuk123]

Loads of folk get kicked off buses for lots of reasons on a daily basis and of all nationalities too, so why is it such an issue because this one kicked off the bus for refusing to comply to bus regulations just happened to be muslim? :shrug:

[DemolitionRed]

Its strange isn't it...I mean There's a contradiction in what we are allowed to say. We can't call someone a slut, ugly or thick to their face but we can talk about sluttish ugly thick people. We can name and shame people so long as they don't use these forums but once here they are given protection from being offended.

I've seen some posts on here that really don't hold back in the language they use and the hatred they show towards certain celebrities but these same people get terribly upset if they think someone is saying something personal about them. Seems to me that those who throw the biggest rocks become cry babies when someone tosses a mere pebble in their direction.

Unlike some, I'm too thick skinned and grown up to run off and report someone for getting personal with me on here, but then, like I've already said, **** just slides straight off me. On other forum groups I would consider reporting outright Islamaphobia and I'd do so, not because I'm far left (which I'm not) but because many Muslims use forum groups like this and those people really shouldn't be subjected to reading such nasty ****e.

[GiRTh]

Its strange isn't it...I mean There's a contradiction in what we are allowed to say. We can't call someone a slut, ugly or thick to their face but we can talk about sluttish ugly thick people. We can name and shame people so long as they don't use these forums but once here they are given protection from being offended.

I've seen some posts on here that really don't hold back in the language they use and the hatred they show towards certain celebrities but these same people get terribly upset if they think someone is saying something personal about them. Seems to me that those who throw the biggest rocks become cry babies when someone tosses a mere pebble in their direction.

Unlike some, I'm too thick skinned and grown up to run off and report someone for getting personal with me on here, but then, like I've already said, **** just slides straight off me. On other forum groups I would consider reporting outright Islamaphobia and I'd do so, not because I'm far left (which I'm not) but because many Muslims use forum groups like this and those people really shouldn't be subjected to reading such nasty ****e.:clap1:

Brilliant post.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its strange isn't it...I mean There's a contradiction in what we are allowed to say. We can't call someone a slut, ugly or thick to their face but we can talk about sluttish ugly thick people. We can name and shame people so long as they don't use these forums but once here they are given protection from being offended.

I've seen some posts on here that really don't hold back in the language they use and the hatred they show towards certain celebrities but these same people get terribly upset if they think someone is saying something personal about them. Seems to me that those who throw the biggest rocks become cry babies when someone tosses a mere pebble in their direction.

Unlike some, I'm too thick skinned and grown up to run off and report someone for getting personal with me on here, but then, like I've already said, **** just slides straight off me. On other forum groups I would consider reporting outright Islamaphobia and I'd do so, not because I'm far left (which I'm not) but because many Muslims use forum groups like this and those people really shouldn't be subjected to reading such nasty ****e.

so to summarise

no one is a racist?


:facepalm:

[GiRTh]

so to summarise

no one is a racist?


:facepalm:
Except Trump.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Except Trump.

:joker:

[Livia]

National Express categorically deny that his race or religion had any impact on his being asked to get off the coach. No one knows the full story yet, just a set of "eyewitness reports". And yet, people are already drawing comparisons to Nazi Germany.

If he was put off the coach simply because he was Muslim, that's deplorable. But I doubt it happened.

[user104658]

so to summarise

no one is a racist?


:facepalm:

It's a decent sized forum. It seems statistically unlikely that absolutely no one here has any racist inclinations at all :whistle:

[user104658]

National Express categorically deny that his race or religion had any impact on his being asked to get off the coach. No one knows the full story yet, just a set of "eyewitness reports". And yet, people are already drawing comparisons to Nazi Germany.

If he was put off the coach simply because he was Muslim, that's deplorable. But I doubt it happened.

I do agree that it's likely that this has all been, at the very least, exaggerated in some way BUT... come on... what company is really going to come straight out and admit something like that? It would be a PR nightmare.

[Kizzy]

National Express categorically deny that his race or religion had any impact on his being asked to get off the coach. No one knows the full story yet, just a set of "eyewitness reports". And yet, people are already drawing comparisons to Nazi Germany.

If he was put off the coach simply because he was Muslim, that's deplorable. But I doubt it happened.

At least we have more than one witness?

[Livia]

I do agree that it's likely that this has all been, at the very least, exaggerated in some way BUT... come on... what company is really going to come straight out and admit something like that? It would be a PR nightmare.

What else do we have? A couple of eyewitness reports? There must have been dozens of people on that bus, I'd be interested to hear what everyone had to say. In fact, I'd be interested to hear what the man involved had to say.

People who work for National Express aren't generally idiots are they? They'd have had to been seriously idiotic to throw someone off a bus because they were Muslim.

[user104658]

What else do we have? A couple of eyewitness reports? There must have been dozens of people on that bus, I'd be interested to hear what everyone had to say. In fact, I'd be interested to hear what the man involved had to say.

People who work for National Express aren't generally idiots are they? They'd have had to been seriously idiotic to throw someone off a bus because they were Muslim.
Like I said I'd think the whole thing likely is at least exaggerated, I'm just saying the denial from the company is hardly evidence of what happened as no company is going to just hold up their hands to something that could potentially lose them a lot of business.

[Northern Monkey]

I think,More than likely,Somebody has been kicked off a coach for refusing to store their luggage properly and because this person happened to be a muslim it has turned into some racial discrimination incident in the papers even though it probably is'nt.

[kirklancaster]

At least we have more than one witness?

So two people on a bus full of people cannot 'grind their own axes' by seizing on a situation and distorting the true facts?

There have been 'more than witness' testifying that unarmed blacks in the USA 'reached for a gun' in cases where rogue racist cops have emptied full magazines into them. Does this mean the rogue cops version of events is the true one?

The 'witnesses' testimony is diametrically opposed to the Bus Company's version of events, and as Livia says the company would have to be pretty dumb to eject a passenger simply for being Muslim'. But I will add to that and say they would have to be be even dumber to BROADCAST the fact to the other passengers that this was the reason they asked him to leave.

The ejected passenger is alleged to have refused to put certain of his luggage in the alloted space and was loud and aggressive. How do you know that THIS version is not the true one?

How do you know that it was not his loud aggressive behaviour which intimidated the other passengers and made some of them 'feel uncomfortable travelling with him'?

How did ANYONE else on the bus KNOW that the passenger was a Muslim? Was he wearing a Burka?

Did he announce to the bus driver and other passengers upon boarding: "I am a Muslim"?

I will reserve judgement upon this matter UNTIL fuller facts have emerged.

[Kizzy]

So two people on a bus full of people cannot 'grind their own axes' by seizing on a situation and distorting the true facts?

There have been 'more than witness' testifying that unarmed blacks in the USA 'reached for a gun' in cases where rogue racist cops have emptied full magazines into them. Does this mean the rogue cops version of events is the true one?

The 'witnesses' testimony is diametrically opposed to the Bus Company's version of events, and as Livia says the company would have to be pretty dumb to eject a passenger simply for being Muslim'. But I will add to that and say they would have to be be even dumber to BROADCAST the fact to the other passengers that this was the reason they asked him to leave.

The ejected passenger is alleged to have refused to put certain of his luggage in the alloted space and was loud and aggressive. How do you know that THIS version is not the true one?

How do you know that it was not his loud aggressive behaviour which intimidated the other passengers and made some of them 'feel uncomfortable travelling with him'?

How did ANYONE else on the bus KNOW that the passenger was a Muslim? Was he wearing a Burka?

Did he announce to the bus driver and other passengers upon boarding: "I am a Muslim"?

I will reserve judgement upon this matter UNTIL fuller facts have emerged.

It seems more plausible than an MP turning his back on troops in all fairness, so yes we will see how this pans out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/09/10/2F3291A400000578-3352370-Targeted_Ibrahim_Ismail_pictured_said_he_was_chuck ed_off_a_Natio-m-24_1449655749602.jpg

[Livia]

It seems more plausible than an MP turning his back on troops in all fairness, so yes we will see how this pans out.

YOu disbelieve this... I understand that. Fact is though, at the Cenotaph this year, when Corbyn walked out wearing a red poppy instead of his usual white one, the servicemen I was with, two of whom were actually at that parade with the Royal Green Jackets, could scarcely believe their eyes. I know it's hard for Corbyn supporters not to believe he's Lord God Almighty... but he's not. He's a disgrace.

[Mystic Mock]

no he had lots of luggage and refused to put it in the hold. I would have been worried to. Well done to the driver to get him off.

Well I'm not gonna be a hypocrite here so I agree with this decision IF he refused to let them search through his luggage as the National Express can't take the risk of him being a psychopath that puts every one on board at risk of losing their lives.

I say this for Muslims and non-Muslims.

[Cherie]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/09/10/2F3291A400000578-3352370-Targeted_Ibrahim_Ismail_pictured_said_he_was_chuck ed_off_a_Natio-m-24_1449655749602.jpg

Bloody hell :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bloody hell :joker:

He is from Somalia, a 42 year old student (:umm2:) and has been here for 15 years

You would think he could maybe do a shop at BHS instead of "Jihad's r us"

[bots]

Bloody hell :joker:

there is a bit of resemblance to an Afghan fighter.

[Livia]

Well he looks like he's properly integrated into society.

[Cherie]

there is a bit of resemblance to an Afghan fighter.

All he is missing is the camel :laugh:

[JoshBB]

He is from Somalia, a 42 year old student (:umm2:) and has been here for 15 years

You would think he could maybe do a shop at BHS instead of "Jihad's r us"

What an appalling generalisation to make.

[Shaun]

Oh god this forum is depressing

[GiRTh]

Oh god this forum is depressing:clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh god this forum is depressing


try DS its full of idealists

[Cherie]

What this forum lacks at times is a sense of humour

[Crimson Dynamo]

What this forum lacks at times is a sense of humour

:nono:

lets all join hands and sing Jesus wants me for a sunbeam

[kirklancaster]

:nono:

lets all join hands and sing Jesus wants me for a sunbeam

OK - So why is there only me singing?

[kirklancaster]

What this forum lacks at times is a sense of humour

So true Cherie, and what humour we start out with becomes drained after a time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

OK - So why is there only me singing?

im singing Kirk

lets sing the Red Flag next and then "Id like to teach the world to sing"


after that we can say 3 hail marys to allah and go and get a kebab

[kirklancaster]

im singing Kirk

lets sing the Red Flag next and then "Id like to teach the world to sing"


after that we can say 3 hail marys to allah and go and get a kebab

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: Just made me LOL and cheered me up LT.

[DemolitionRed]

Bloody hell :joker:

Is that him? seriously?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is that him? seriously?

yup


you could not make it up

[Cherie]

Is that him? seriously?

Yes.

[Kizzy]

YOu disbelieve this... I understand that. Fact is though, at the Cenotaph this year, when Corbyn walked out wearing a red poppy instead of his usual white one, the servicemen I was with, two of whom were actually at that parade with the Royal Green Jackets, could scarcely believe their eyes. I know it's hard for Corbyn supporters not to believe he's Lord God Almighty... but he's not. He's a disgrace.

I do disbelieve it yes, because if a serving MP had done what you're accusing him of then there would be at least a passing mention in a paper, but nothing.
So I'm sorry I can believe he changed the colour of his poppy, but turn his back? No.

[Northern Monkey]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/09/10/2F3291A400000578-3352370-Targeted_Ibrahim_Ismail_pictured_said_he_was_chuck ed_off_a_Natio-m-24_1449655749602.jpg

Holy ****!If he got on my bus i'd be straight off at the next stop:joker:

[Northern Monkey]

He is from Somalia, a 42 year old student (:umm2:) and has been here for 15 years

You would think he could maybe do a shop at BHS instead of "Jihad's r us"

:laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Holy ****!If he got on my bus i'd be straight off at the next stop:joker:

:laugh:

[lostalex]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/09/10/2F3291A400000578-3352370-Targeted_Ibrahim_Ismail_pictured_said_he_was_chuck ed_off_a_Natio-m-24_1449655749602.jpg

I can't imagine why anyone was alarmed. :shrug:

:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

He looks so miserable too.:joker:

[user104658]

Sooo... Next time the unambiguous racism question comes up on a thread here, are people still going to deny it with a straight face?

[Kizzy]

This is classic stereotyping and the same reason little old ladies are scared of hoodies,...What you wear doesn't denote your intention.

[Mystic Mock]

Sooo... Next time the unambiguous racism question comes up on a thread here, are people still going to deny it with a straight face?

Being against a Religion isn't racist, in this case what you're referring to is Islamophobia which is a Religious intolerance towards Islam and the Muslim followers which can consist of White, Black, and Asian people, especially of the latter two.

[user104658]

Being against a Religion isn't racist, in this case what you're referring to is Islamophobia which is a Religious intolerance towards Islam and the Muslim followers which can consist of White, Black, and Asian people, especially of the latter two.

Oh that's OK then. Its that fluffy, friendly, more focussed brand of bigotry.

I disagree anyway; if the man in the picture was white and cleanshaven, even if he had a massive sign above his head saying "I am a Muslim", people would not be having the same reaction to this "hilarious" photograph. Therefore, let's call it what it is: not islamophobia, but negative, destructive stereotyping based on casual racism.

[Crimson Dynamo]

get him in CBB

[kirklancaster]

get him in CBB

Is that a new Reality Show - 'CHOPPER, BULLET, BOMB'? :hehe:

[Mystic Mock]

Oh that's OK then. Its that fluffy, friendly, more focussed brand of bigotry.

I disagree anyway; if the man in the picture was white and cleanshaven, even if he had a massive sign above his head saying "I am a Muslim", people would not be having the same reaction to this "hilarious" photograph. Therefore, let's call it what it is: not islamophobia, but negative, destructive stereotyping based on casual racism.

I would laugh at anyone that looked at the camera like they're about to be sentenced to meet Tony Blair and George W Bush, but hey that's just me I suppose.:laugh:

And no it's never okay to be prejudiced, but having a joke about someone looking like a stereotype isn't really prejudiced, otherwise Seth MacFarlane would be prejudiced then and I don't think that his got a prejudiced bone in his body as he takes the piss out of prejudiced people in his shows.

My main stance on this is that if his not gonna let the security see his luggage then he is a potential danger to the people on board so therefore can't go on, and of course it's not right, but it's only Human to feel paranoia about someone that's not showing his luggage to the security when his from a Religion that's got the biggest Terrorist Organisations around at the minute.

However I also don't agree with Muslims being singled out negatively for following Islam, imo every Religion needs to stop being so radical so that we can get a more peaceful world.

And of course I hope that the NE do these checkups on everybody and don't just single out Muslims.

[Mystic Mock]

Is that a new Reality Show - 'CHOPPER, BULLET, BOMB'? :hehe:

That's evil.:joker:

[kirklancaster]

That's evil.:joker:

:laugh: YEAH.

[Kizzy]

It's perpetuating the stereotype, this thread is peppered with that, it could be considered casual racism too.

[bots]

Oh that's OK then. Its that fluffy, friendly, more focussed brand of bigotry.

I disagree anyway; if the man in the picture was white and cleanshaven, even if he had a massive sign above his head saying "I am a Muslim", people would not be having the same reaction to this "hilarious" photograph. Therefore, let's call it what it is: not islamophobia, but negative, destructive stereotyping based on casual racism.

I would call it being careful full stop. I personally am on guard if I see anyone I consider out of the ordinary whatever country, race or religion they are associated with. Its not under any circumstances discriminatory. Its called being alert and aware.

[kirklancaster]

I would call it being careful full stop. I personally am on guard if I see anyone I consider out of the ordinary whatever country, race or religion they are associated with. Its not under any circumstances discriminatory. Its called being alert and aware.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would call it being careful full stop. I personally am on guard if I see anyone I consider out of the ordinary whatever country, race or religion they are associated with. Its not under any circumstances discriminatory. Its called being alert and aware.

Exactly and that is what the Government have advised, the country is on full alert

To try and pretend that that chap would not make many a little worried is utter idealistic tosh

[kirklancaster]

Exactly and that is what the Government have advised, the country is on full alert

To try and pretend that that chap would not make many a little worried is utter idealistic tosh

Or 'Opportunity Seizing' to make political capital and 'faux' drama out of nothing by certain factions.

[Mokka]

I would call it being careful full stop. I personally am on guard if I see anyone I consider out of the ordinary whatever country, race or religion they are associated with. Its not under any circumstances discriminatory. Its called being alert and aware.

At what cost to society as a whole though... And where is the line drawn?

I can understand where this logic comes from, it comes from the fear that ISIS is achieving at instilling in us. But at the end of the day, if I were on that bus, I would rather blow up into a million pieces then look at someones race, colour, attire, facial expressions, or any outward appearance and assume they were capable of horrible atrocities based on these factors. The day I do that is the day I know ISIS have stolen my personal liberties and freedoms.

Some people would go to war to defend their freedom, and are willing to die at doing so. I would rather die assuming the best about people until proven otherwise. Call me naive.

[Kizzy]

I would call it being careful full stop. I personally am on guard if I see anyone I consider out of the ordinary whatever country, race or religion they are associated with. Its not under any circumstances discriminatory. Its called being alert and aware.

So by putting him off the bus he ceased to be a 'threat'....
Could he have not gone and got on another bus if that was his intention?

[Mystic Mock]

So by putting him off the bus he ceased to be a 'threat'....
Could he have not gone and got on another bus if that was his intention?

Doesn't everyone that doesn't show their luggage on any public transportation get thrown off?

[Kizzy]

Doesn't everyone that doesn't show their luggage on any public transportation get thrown off?

Stow?.. I don't know, but that's not what I asked.

[user104658]

I would call it being careful full stop. I personally am on guard if I see anyone I consider out of the ordinary whatever country, race or religion they are associated with.

Yes I am aware that many people (unfortunately, probably most people) live their lives with an undercurrent of xenophobia and casual racism but it is nice to have one's suppositions confirmed every once in a while, I suppose.


Its not under any circumstances discriminatory.

OK :hehe:

Its called being alert and aware.

You might want to try being alert and aware to situations rather than outward appearances, is my advice. If someone is going to blow you up, he's going to be dressed in a hoodie and trainers, or a suit, or otherwise trying to blend in. He's not going to be "dressed like a terrorist lol!" :facepalm:. That's called stereotyping. And it's unambiguously ****ing racist.

[bots]

So by putting him off the bus he ceased to be a 'threat'....
Could he have not gone and got on another bus if that was his intention?

The post I responded to was implying that we are all racist for suggesting the chap looked and behaved out of the ordinary. I stated my own reactions to similar situations, which are not racist in the slightest.

[Mystic Mock]

Stow?.. I don't know, but that's not what I asked.

Well yes it kinda was what you asked because nobody in their right mind is gonna try and get on a Bus from the same company after being thrown off are they?:laugh:

[kirklancaster]

At what cost to society as a whole though... And where is the line drawn?

I can understand where this logic comes from, it comes from the fear that ISIS is achieving at instilling in us. But at the end of the day, if I were on that bus, I would rather blow up into a million pieces then look at someones race, colour, attire, facial expressions, or any outward appearance and assume they were capable of horrible atrocities based on these factors. The day I do that is the day I know ISIS have stolen my personal liberties and freedoms.

Some people would go to war to defend their freedom, and are willing to die at doing so. I would rather die assuming the best about people until proven otherwise. Call me naive.

You are not naive Mokka, just a thoroughly decent human being, but to be fair - and all joking aside - I truly believe, and the evidence supports me, that this guy being asked to leave the bus had NOTHING to do with his colour, creed or political persuasion, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he looks intimidating and acted in an intimidating manner by arrogantly refusing to comply with the bus service's standard regulations, and was violently shouting and bawling and being deliberately confrontational.

If this had been a white, drunken aggressive Englishman acting in the same manner and ejected accordingly, we would not even have this thread.

Unless he also happened to have a gold crucifix around his neck, THEN we would have seen a barrage of posts THE MAJORITY CONDEMNING HIM AND PRAISING THE ACTIONS OF THE BUS COMPANY STAFF.

[user104658]

The post I responded to was implying that we are all racist for suggesting the chap looked and behaved out of the ordinary. I stated my own reactions to similar situations, which are not racist in the slightest.

Who's implying anything? I'm outright stating that there are unquestionably racist posts in this thread.

[bots]

Who's implying anything? I'm outright stating that there are unquestionably racist posts in this thread.

Well don't throw the accusation in my direction. Thank you very much

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh what's happened here is quite simple at heart.

The security have checked him out for obvious reasons, his then refused to open his luggage not because his a Terrorist, but probably has something embarrassing to his Religion in there, the Security can't take the risk of that being the case so they've thrown him off the Bus.

Of course it looks like it's another "lets segregate the Muslim game" again, but I honestly think it's a mix of that and his own stupid behaviour that would get anyone on here thrown off a Bus if they conducted themselves in his manner too.

[user104658]

You are not naive Mokka, just a thoroughly decent human being, but to be fair - and all joking aside - I truly believe, and the evidence supports me, that this guy being asked to leave the bus had NOTHING to do with his colour, creed or political persuasion, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he looks intimidating and acted in an intimidating manner by arrogantly refusing to comply with the bus service's standard regulations, and was violently shouting and bawling and being deliberately confrontational.

I'm willing to accept that there may well have been valid reasons for him being removed from the bus, if only because the stories are all conflicting so we can't really know exactly what the circumstances were. However, that does not excuse some of the posts made in this thread, which have noting to do with the original situation.

If this had been a white, drunken aggressive Englishman acting in the same manner and ejected accordingly, we would not even have this thread.

True; proving that the press are just as reactionary and discriminatory. Pointing this out doesn't really help the case, just highlights further casual racism.

Unless he also happened to have a gold crucifix around his neck, THEN we would have seen a barrage of posts THE MAJORITY CONDEMNING HIM AND PRAISING THE ACTIONS OF THE BUS COMPANY STAFF.

And this is simple poor-me butthurt nonsense Kirk.

[Mystic Mock]

Who's implying anything? I'm outright stating that there are unquestionably racist posts in this thread.

Having a joke about his look isn't racist though.

[user104658]

Well don't throw the accusation in my direction. Thank you very much

Did I? I think people are quite capable of deciding for themselves which posts I was referring to. I wasn't specific. Interestingly; you seem to have decided for yourself that I might have been referring to one of yours.

[Kizzy]

Well yes it kinda was what you asked because nobody in their right mind is gonna try and get on a Bus from the same company after being thrown off are they?:laugh:

What's funny, what if he had got on bus from a different company, or a train?
If they had a genuine reason to suspect the man was a terror threat why not inform the police?
The other passengers state they have bags on the bus, and had he had too much luggage why was he allowed to stow it initially and board the bus and take his seat?

[user104658]

Having a joke about his look isn't racist though.

It is slightly, but that's fine when it's done in a certain way. There's a point to satire, and it's not to be mocking or malicious. Like South Park, or I think someone used the Family Guy example. The point being to highlight people's prejudices and snap-judgement overreactions in a humorous way.

There is "laughter" on this thread that is quite clearly not satirical.

[Cherie]

Who's implying anything? I'm outright stating that there are unquestionably racist posts in this thread.

Quote the posts TS let's see who you consider racist, God forbid that we make light of a situation, we don't even know the full story here

[Northern Monkey]

I think the thing perpetuating a stereotype is the fact that he comes here dressed like a fully fledged mujahideen and acts suspicious as **** on public transport.

[Mystic Mock]

What's funny, what if he had got on bus from a different company, or a train?
If they had a genuine reason to suspect the man was a terror threat why not inform the police?
The other passengers state they have bags on the bus, and had he had too much luggage why was he allowed to stow it initially and board the bus and take his seat?

All of what you're saying reeks of incompetence from the National Express service, and a bit of what's been said about prejudice towards him for being a Muslim.

However he didn't help himself either and I feel that if me or you had've done the same thing as him we would've had The Police get involved.

[bots]

Did I? I think people are quite capable of deciding for themselves which posts I was referring to. I wasn't specific. Interestingly; you seem to have decided for yourself that I might have been referring to one of yours.

Its something I treat very seriously, so if you did throw it in my direction, you could expect a formal response

[Mystic Mock]

It is slightly, but that's fine when it's done in a certain way. There's a point to satire, and it's not to be mocking or malicious. Like South Park, or I think someone used the Family Guy example. The point being to highlight people's prejudices and snap-judgement overreactions in a humorous way.

There is "laughter" on this thread that is quite clearly not satirical.

That was me that used the Family Guy reference.

But yeah I get what you're saying, it's just from my perspective I was laughing at his face more than anything else, his get up was definitely a stereotype though so no wonder some people reacted to it tbf.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Its something I treat very seriously, so if you did throw it in my direction, you could expect a formal response

As long as you know that you're not racist though then it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks really.

[kirklancaster]

I'm willing to accept that there may well have been valid reasons for him being removed from the bus, if only because the stories are all conflicting so we can't really know exactly what the circumstances were. However, that does not excuse some of the posts made in this thread, which have noting to do with the original situation.



True; proving that the press are just as reactionary and discriminatory. Pointing this out doesn't really help the case, just highlights further casual racism.



And this is simple poor-me butthurt nonsense Kirk.


:laugh: Are you being serious about the sentence which I have emboldened T.S?

There is nothing of the 'poor me' anything in me T.S. because I can handle myself in any sense of the phrase and do not need to feel 'sorry for myself' - but perhaps certain others wrongly perceive my friendly disposition and preferrance to be civil and polite whenever possible, as weakness. If so that is their mistake.

Scrutiny of the relevant threads and posts on this forum, and a true and honest appraisal of the current Anti-Christian prevalence in this country can only prove my sentiment in the paragraph you refer to as 'nonsense', because - inexpicably - there is much MORE hatred and intolerance towards Christians and Christianity then there is Muslims and Islam -- and that is irrefutable fact.

And I repeat; If this repulsive twat had been a WHITE, ENGLISH CHRISTIAN we would not have had any thread DEFENDING him, nor as many posts censuring the bus company.

[kirklancaster]

I think the thing perpetuating a stereotype is the fact that he comes here dressed like a fully fledged mujahideen and acts suspicious as **** on public transport.

Besides acting like an arrogant, aggressive, obnoxious and confrontational knobhead - according to the bulk of evidence.

[user104658]

Quote the posts TS let's see who you consider racist, God forbid that we make light of a situation, we don't even know the full story here

I think we all know I'm pushing it just by saying that they're there. The people who agree with me know which posts I'm talking about, as do some of the people who don't agree with me. Regardless, those who disagree aren't going to have their minds changed by the posts being pointed out specifically.

Like I said - making light of something satirically is one thing. Mocking with obvious malice is entirely another.

[lostalex]

honestly if i saw that man, with the same expression on his face, he could be wearing a Catholic priest uniform or a Jewish rabbi uniform, hell he could even be wearing a 10 thousand dollar Armani suit, i'd be equally as scared of him.

That dude looks very anti-social.

[user104658]

[/B]

:laugh: Are you being serious about the sentence which I have emboldened T.S?

There is nothing of the 'poor me' anything in me T.S. because I can handle myself in any sense of the phrase and do not need to feel 'sorry for myself' - but perhaps certain others wrongly perceive my friendly disposition and preferrance to be civil and polite whenever possible, as weakness. If so that is their mistake.

Scrutiny of the relevant threads and posts on this forum, and a true and honest appraisal of the current Anti-Christian prevalence in this country can only prove my sentiment in the paragraph you refer to as 'nonsense', because - inexpicably - there is much MORE hatred and intolerance towards Christians and Christianity then there is Muslims and Islam -- and that is irrefutable fact.

And I repeat; If this repulsive twat had been a WHITE, ENGLISH CHRISTIAN we would not have had any thread DEFENDING him, nor as many posts censuring the bus company.

I feel that this is incorrect and that you simply take anything anti-religious as being anti-Christian, because you happen to be Christian. I will fully admit to being anti-religious bt I don't find any one religion more, or less, ridiculous nor offensive than any other. Christianity, Islam, Scientology - it's all the same to me. I promise.

However, I also don't consider being anti-religious grounds for specifically discriminating against Muslims. It might seem like a contradictory standpoint, but it isn't. I am 100% comfortable mocking religion as a concept (any and all) - I am not comfortable with singling out individuals because of their religion or perceived religious allegiance.

[lostalex]

I think i can solve this little dispute...

Can't we all agree that all religions are total bull**** and anyone that believes in religion is a self-righteous piece of ****e?

c'mon now guys, Now let's just hug, and maybe rub up against each other a little bit, and feel better about ourselves. and there is punch and pie at my place later. :)

[Northern Monkey]

This guy certainly deserved kicking off the bus more than the young English family who were kicked off a bus in 2014 for singing the Peppa Pig theme song to their autistic daughter because a Muslim woman said it was "racist".

[kirklancaster]

This guy certainly deserved kicking off the bus more than the young English family who were kicked off a bus in 2014 for singing the Peppa Pig theme song to their autistic daughter because a Muslim woman said it was "racist".

Uh????? This is the first I've heard of this. You're not joking though I don't think.

[Northern Monkey]

Uh????? This is the first I've heard of this. You're not joking though I don't think.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/26/couple-thrown-off-bus-and-branded-racists-for-singing-peppa-pig-theme-to-baby-4882931/

[kirklancaster]

http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/26/couple-thrown-off-bus-and-branded-racists-for-singing-peppa-pig-theme-to-baby-4882931/

I swear to God now Paul, I'd have been arrested - for booting the complainant and the bus driver off the bus - before I'd have got off and walked two miles home with my autistic kid in my arms.

The cheeky arrogant bitch.

[Northern Monkey]

I swear to God now Paul, I'd have been arrested - for booting the complainant and the bus driver off the bus - before I'd have got off and walked two miles home with my autistic kid in my arms.

The cheeky arrogant bitch.Ikr.Atleast they were'nt kicking off and acting like twats unlike the bloke in this thread.

[kirklancaster]

Ikr.Atleast they were'nt kicking off and acting like twats unlike the bloke in this thread.

It all beggars belief - I think the UK is going loco.

[Kizzy]

Why didn't they wait for the police to come?

[Northern Monkey]

The driver said it would be "easier" if they got off and kicked them off so they did'nt hold up the rest of the passengers.

[Kizzy]

The driver said it would be "easier" if they got off and kicked them off so they did'nt hold up the rest of the passengers.

So it's just heresay then, if they had done nothing wrong then they should've dug their heels in and sat tight, I would...Wild horses wouldn't have dragged me off that bus.

[lostalex]

So it's just heresay then, if they had done nothing wrong then they should've dug their heels in and sat tight, I would...Wild horses wouldn't have dragged me off that bus.

why are you so desperate to believe this man over all of the passengers and the driver, a professional bus driver who has encountered all types over his career, why are you not giving them the benefit of the doubt?

[Kizzy]

why are you so desperate to believe this man over all of the passengers and the driver, a professional bus driver who has encountered all types over his career, why are you not giving them the benefit of the doubt?

I read the article, it's one of the passengers defending him.

[lostalex]

I read the article, it's one of the passengers defending him.

he looks like a jerk to me. he's obviously trying to upset people. probably just wants to sue and get some attention. no one could live in the UK for more than a few weeks and not realize that it's totally inappropriate to dress that way.

It looks like he's wearing a racist halloween costume!

[Kizzy]

he looks like a jerk to me. he's obviously trying to upset people. probably just wants to sue and get some attention. no one could live in the UK for more than a few weeks and not realize that it's totally inappropriate to dress that way.

It looks like he's wearing a racist halloween costume!

Bit judgy...

[lostalex]

Bit judgy...

okay, but seriously kizzy, it looks like someone TRYING too look like a ****ing terrorist. if i was going to a party and the theme was "dress like a terrorist" that's exactly how i would dress.

It's the exact stereotype of how people think of terrorists. how could he live in the UK and not realize that his style of dress is out of place???

it would be like a british girl from essex getting on a bus in Saudi Arabia wearing a miniskirt and halter top and being surprised that people get offended. would you be surprised if the people in saudi arabia though she was a slut?

[Kizzy]

okay, but seriously kizzy, it looks like someone TRYING too look like a ****ing terrorist. if i was going to a party and the theme was "dress like a terrorist" that's exactly how i would dress.

It's the exact stereotype of how people think of terrorists. how could he live in the UK and not realize that his style of dress is out of place???

it would be like a british girl from essex getting on a bus in Saudi Arabia wearing a miniskirt and halter top and being surprised that people get offended. would you be surprised if the people in saudi arabia though she was a slut?

If he was would he really dress in such a way as to draw attention to himself, or is it an alarmist reactionary response?

[lostalex]

If he was would he really dress in such a way as to draw attention to himself, or is it an alarmist reactionary response?

yes, if he wanted to prove some weird point, like the "clock" boy in texas who made a fake bomb to bring to school, who is now living in Qatar and suing for 15 million dollars...

[Kizzy]

yes, if he wanted to prove some weird point, like the "clock" boy in texas who made a fake bomb to bring to school, who is now living in Qatar and suing for 15 million dollars...

What tangent have we flown off in now?

[lostalex]

What tangent have we flown off in now?

the tangent of muslims playing up to stereotypes so they can get attention and be defended by white people that are clueless.

kinda like the lesbian that faked getting no tip from christians, and wrote on the check that they wouldn't tip a lesbian because God doesn't approve of her lifestyle, but it turned out to be fraud, but she tried to get thousands of dollars from people that felt bad for her on a crowdfunding site.

kinda like the black woman that was Professor at a college and scratched the word "NI*G*R" into the side of her own car and then claimed to be the victim of a hate crime and then went on a ton of news shows talking about how oppressed she is as a black woman at her workplace... until the CCTV footage from the parking lot came out showing her scratching her own car.

it happens all the time.

[Kizzy]

the tangent of muslims playing up to stereotypes so they can get attention and be defended by white people that are clueless.

kinda like the lesbian that faked getting no tip from christians, and wrote on the check that they wouldn't tip a lesbian because God doesn't approve of her lifestyle, but it turned out to be fraud, but she tried to get thousands of dollars from people that felt bad for her on a crowdfunding site.

kinda like the black woman that was Professor at a college and scratched the word "NI*G*R" into the side of her own car and then claimed to be the victim of a hate crime and then went on a ton of news shows talking about how oppressed she is as a black woman at her workplace... until the CCTV footage from the parking lot came out showing her scratching her own car.

it happens all the time.

Right... So now the theory is his cunning plan all along was to get thrown off the bus?

[lostalex]

Right... So now the theory is his cunning plan all along was to get thrown off the bus?

you've seen the picture. no one trying to assimilate to british culture would look like that and dress like that and create a scene like that unless they wanted the attention.

he knew exactly what reaction he would get, and he wanted it.

just because he's arab and muslim doesn't mean he's STUPID kizzy! the fact that you think he must just be some naive country idiot, just because he's an arab muslim actually shows YOUR racism. Arabs are just as intelligent as any other race.

[Crimson Dynamo]

you've seen the picture. no one trying to assimilate to british culture would look like that and dress like that and create a scene like that unless they wanted the attention.

he knew exactly what reaction he would get, and he wanted it.

just because he's arab and muslim doesn't mean he's STUPID kizzy! the fact that you think he must just be some naive country idiot, just because he's an arab muslim actually shows YOUR racism. Arabs are just as intelligent as any other race.


:clap1:

[Kizzy]

you've seen the picture. no one trying to assimilate to british culture would look like that and dress like that and create a scene like that unless they wanted the attention.

he knew exactly what reaction he would get, and he wanted it.

just because he's arab and muslim doesn't mean he's STUPID kizzy! the fact that you think he must just be some naive country idiot, just because he's an arab muslim actually shows YOUR racism. Arabs are just as intelligent as any other race.

Couldn't you say that about every woman wearing the hijab or burqa?

I'm racist because I don't assume he doesn't want to assimilate into British culture?

[Kizzy]

but there are thousands of british women wearing hijab everyday, totally assimilated into british life, and this doesn't happen to them, so what does that tell you about this man and his behavior?

It doesn't tell me anything as we don't know anything, all we have is a photograph.

[lostalex]

Couldn't you say that about every woman wearing the hijab or burqa?

I'm racist because I don't assume he doesn't want to assimilate into British culture?

but there are thousands of british women wearing hijab everyday, totally assimilated into british life, and this doesn't happen to them, so what does that tell you about this man and his behavior?

If this was an American man flirting with arab women on a train or bus in the middle east, and they took him off the train because he was making people uncomfortable by expressing his culture, what would you say about that? I bet you would say that Americans should respect the culture of the place they are in, right???

[Kizzy]

Ok...how did you do that? now it looks like I've replied to something you hadn't said yet :/

[user104658]

Its something I treat very seriously, so if you did throw it in my direction, you could expect a formal response

https://smileyshack.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/sbiting_nail-biting_100-100.gif

This comment is utterly ludicrous. You are aware of this, yes?

[Mystic Mock]

https://smileyshack.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/sbiting_nail-biting_100-100.gif

This comment is utterly ludicrous. You are aware of this, yes?

Going off topic for a second I really love that smiley.