Man aged 46 leaves family in Toronto to start new life as six-year-old girl

[Gusto Brunt]

A Canadian transgender father left behind a wife and seven children to begin a new life as a six-year-old girl.:shocked::shocked:

http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2015/12/11/10/stefonknee-wolschtt-transgender-youtube-2.jpg

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stefonknee-wolschtt-transgender-father-leaves-family-in-toronto-to-start-new-life-as-a-six-year-old-a6769051.html

[Mystic Mock]

That's the oldest looking 6 year old that I've ever laid my eyes on.

[Gusto Brunt]

That's the oldest looking 6 year old that I've ever laid my eyes on.

:joker::joker:

[Ashley.]

"I don't want to be an adult right now."

[Cal.]

Me

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

same

[Jack_]

Bring on the bigotry :rolleyes:

[Gusto Brunt]

Bring on the bigotry :rolleyes:

No bigotry but his decision to lead the life of a little girl is a bit odd, you have to admit.

[Ashley.]

Bring on the bigotry :rolleyes:

We all want to be young but this is just... next level.

[Mystic Mock]

You can't change how old you are so there's no bigotry involved, it's just a fact.

[Firewire]

Is this not the same as someone having a baby fetish? I understand the trans aspect but I don't understand why she feels like a 6-year-old.

[Gusto Brunt]

If you watch the video, he says he has guys coming up to him saying can they wear his little girl dresses and can they kiss him/her.

That goes into pervert territory for me.

Because the guys who are wanting to kiss him when he/she is dressed as a little girl, does that mean they have paedo tendencies??

All very weird.

[MB.]

Kellie?

[Gusto Brunt]

Kellie?

...became a woman. Not a little girl.

[Cherie]

You can't change how old you are so there's no bigotry involved, it's just a fact.

:clap1: you can dress it up all you like if you pardon the pun but this is one strange story

[Ashley.]

If you watch the video, he says he has guys coming up to him saying can they wear his little girl dresses and can they kiss him/her.

That goes into pervert territory for me.

Because the guys who are wanting to kiss him when he/she is dressed as a little girl, does that mean they have paedo tendencies??

All very weird.

I think those guys are just taking the piss out of him?

[RichardG]

If she's transgender then fine but why become a baby :suspect: seems a little creepy to me

[Gusto Brunt]

I think those guys are just taking the piss out of him?

:joker: Oh

And maybe not.:shocked:

[Niamh.]

Bring on the bigotry :rolleyes:


Hardly bigotry for people to think it's weird as **** for a man in his late 40's to say he wants to be identified as a 6 year old Jack, come on lol we'd all love to be younger, is he going to enroll in primary school? I wouldn't want my child in his class :worry:

[T*]

I am le plantkin Xd XD xd

[Livia]

Creepy...

[Gusto Brunt]

^^

What about the creepy couple who have 'adopted' him/her???

Is the father having sex with the trans 'girl'??

Is his wife?

What sort of threesome is it??

It gets more peculiar the more I think about it. :eek:

[jennyjuniper]

Who's going to employ him? Unless he has a substantial sum of money behind him, how will he support his six year old self.?

[Gusto Brunt]

Who's going to employ him? Unless he has a substantial sum of money behind him, how will he support his six year old self.?

According to the video in that link I gave above, he's working clearing snow.

A very manly position that where you need muscles. Mustn't get his pretty dress dirty. :joker:

What a farce.

[Gusto Brunt]

And don't forget, he/she has also abandoned his natural family.

That's the past 30 years swept underneath the carpet. :rolleyes:

[Will.]

My dad promo?

[T*]

but also I feel she is just having fun with her new found identity and this is just a phase because she never got to live her childhood as a girl.

[lostalex]

i believe him. now shouldn't an uncle be trying to molest him? if he's gonna be a 6 y/o girl, he needs to also take the molestation that goes along with it.

[lostalex]

but also I feel she is just having fun with her new found identity and this is just a phase because she never got to live her childhood as a girl.

hmm, people tried to use that excuse for michael jackson too, and we all know how that turned out....

[T*]

hmm, people tried to use that excuse for michael jackson too, and we all know how that turned out....

fair point

[DemolitionRed]

This is a fairly common fantasy and its perfectly healthy and not seen as a mental illness, provided the individual doing the age-play, accepts their real age and responsibilities when necessary.

This guy goes out to work and if he goes out to work as a 46 year old man, that means he is capable of functioning as himself when necessary. It only becomes a problem when they can no longer function as an adult.

He's just a fetishist...a bizarre one but a fetishist none the less.

I used to do club promotions in London and helped out with TortureGarden a few times. They get up to 2000 punters coming through their doors and some of them are dressed up just like this guy. When I first saw them I was like "wtf?" but I soon leant that it was a harmless fetish and if 1999 young ravers could be tolerant then so could I.

[lostalex]

This is a fairly common fantasy and its perfectly healthy and not seen as a mental illness, provided the individual doing the age-play, accepts their real age and responsibilities when necessary.

This guy goes out to work and if he goes out to work as a 46 year old man, that means he is capable of functioning as himself when necessary. It only becomes a problem when they can no longer function as an adult.

He's just a fetishist...a bizarre one but a fetishist none the less.

I used to do club promotions in London and helped out with TortureGarden a few times. They get up to 2000 punters coming through their doors and some of them are dressed up just like this guy. When I first saw them I was like "wtf?" but I soon leant that it was a harmless fetish and if 1999 young ravers could be tolerant then so could I.


I don't see how "6 year old" and "fetish" could be used in the same sentence and be considered healthy....

but i'm not a professional :shrug:

[smudgie]

Whatever floats your boat.
I watched a programme where grown men went to nursery..as babies, had nappies on, drank from baby bottles and slept in giant cots, some sort of sexual fantasy and they paid well for it.:shrug:

[Ammi]

..this story isn't what I thought it was going to be from the title and headline, I don't think it's a fetish but more that after going through what she has with what sounds like a very difficult divorce and complete lack of tolerance from her partner..and of course, her transition after being who she wasn't for so long, she just needs the comfort and acceptance of her 'adopted' family so has much less to do with wanting to be a child as such but feels the need for the comfort and safety of a child/the feelings a child has..I don't think there is anything sexual attached to it from what she's saying...I really like her from the vid, she seems lovely and someone that I would be interested in listening to more/talking about herself ...hopefully her family will help give her the security and confidence in herself that she needs, to feel that she's ready to 'grow up'...

[Mokka]

Whatever floats your boat.
I watched a programme where grown men went to nursery..as babies, had nappies on, drank from baby bottles and slept in giant cots, some sort of sexual fantasy and they paid well for it.:shrug:

Hmm... want to start a new business together smudgie??? could be a windfall

[MTVN]

I would like to start identifying as a 70 year old man please so that I can spend more time asleep and make inappropriate comments about immigrants and get away with it

[Cherie]

I would like to start identifying as a 70 year old man please so that I can spend more time asleep and make inappropriate comments about immigrants and get away with it

:joker:

[Mokka]

I would like to start identifying as a 70 year old man please so that I can spend more time asleep and make inappropriate comments about immigrants and get away with it

don't we all :joker::joker::joker:

[Cherie]

..this story isn't what I thought it was going to be from the title and headline, I don't think it's a fetish but more that after going through what she has with what sounds like a very difficult divorce and complete lack of tolerance from her partner..and of course, her transition after being who she wasn't for so long, she just needs the comfort and acceptance of her 'adopted' family so has much less to do with wanting to be a child as such but feels the need for the comfort and safety of a child/the feelings a child has..I don't think there is anything sexual attached to it from what she's saying...I really like her from the vid, she seems lovely and someone that I would be interested in listening to more/talking about herself ...hopefully her family will help give her the security and confidence in herself that she needs, to feel that she's ready to 'grow up'...

If she is not ready to grow up at 46 I think there is no hope :laugh:

[Ninastar]

He left behind a wife and 7 kids to act like a 7 year old girl... its creepy and wrong and I feel sorry for his kids

[Cherie]

He left behind a wife and 7 kids to act like a 7 year old girl... its creepy and wrong and I feel sorry for his kids

Precisely but let's cut her a little slack :umm2:

[Ashley.]

I would like to start identifying as a 70 year old man please so that I can spend more time asleep and make inappropriate comments about immigrants and get away with it

LT? D:

[Cherie]

LT?

:hehe:

[Samm]

..this story isn't what I thought it was going to be from the title and headline, I don't think it's a fetish but more that after going through what she has with what sounds like a very difficult divorce and complete lack of tolerance from her partner..and of course, her transition after being who she wasn't for so long, she just needs the comfort and acceptance of her 'adopted' family so has much less to do with wanting to be a child as such but feels the need for the comfort and safety of a child/the feelings a child has..I don't think there is anything sexual attached to it from what she's saying...I really like her from the vid, she seems lovely and someone that I would be interested in listening to more/talking about herself ...hopefully her family will help give her the security and confidence in herself that she needs, to feel that she's ready to 'grow up'...

:clap1:

[Ninastar]

Precisely but let's cut her a little slack :umm2:

no :umm2: am I supposed to feel sympathy for someone who willingly left behind 7 kids?

[Samm]

no :umm2: am I supposed to feel sympathy for someone who willingly left behind 7 kids?

you don't know what she's gone through and she might want to see her kids again when she feels comfortable to do so.

[Cherie]

no :umm2: am I supposed to feel sympathy for someone who willingly left behind 7 kids?


How come you never know what I am talking about? I think it was quite clear I was agreeing with your comment

[Ninastar]

you don't know what she's gone through and she might want to see her kids again when she feels comfortable to do so.

Perhaps so, but she is an adult and should put her kids first. Fair enough wanting to be female, but wanting to be a child... it's just wrong.

[Cherie]

you don't know what she's gone through and she might want to see her kids again when she feels comfortable to do so.

Grow up

[Ninastar]

How come you never know what I am talking about? I think it was quite clear I was agreeing with your comment

Because I thought you were trying to start something, to be totes honest

[Cherie]

Because I thought you were trying to start something, to be totes honest

Well to be totes honest I am sick of you deliberately misinterpreting my posts to you xo

[Samm]

Grow up

ok... :)

[Ninastar]

Well to be totes honest I am sick of you deliberately misinterpreting my posts to you xo

:thumbs:

[Johnnyuk123]

Lets be honest here... if this guy turned up at your 6 yr olds party dressed like that he would not get through the front door.

[Scarlett.]

Bring on the bigotry :rolleyes:

Ech, this is quite a bit different, if he just wanted to be female, it'd be no big deal, who gives a damn, his choice.

Its the decision to dress up as a six year old girl that sets off alarm bells.

[lily.]

i believe him. now shouldn't an uncle be trying to molest him? if he's gonna be a 6 y/o girl, he needs to also take the molestation that goes along with it.

pmsl!


Maybe he wants to go to school so he can have gym class with all the other 6 year olds.

[lily.]

I would like to start identifying as a 70 year old man please so that I can spend more time asleep and make inappropriate comments about immigrants and get away with it

This is the post of the year!!!

[smudgie]

Hmm... want to start a new business together smudgie??? could be a windfall

Aye, just as long as you change their nappies.:laugh:

[kirklancaster]

pmsl!


Maybe he wants to go to school so he can have gym class with all the other 6 year olds.

:laugh2:

[kirklancaster]

I would like to start identifying as a 70 year old man please so that I can spend more time asleep and make inappropriate comments about immigrants and get away with it

:fist: I am NOT 70 years old, and I only sleep for between 3 to 4 hours per night.

[Marsh.]

Bring on the bigotry :rolleyes:

Yeah, bringing children into this world and then abandoning them with some mid-life breakdown wanting to be a pre-pubescent little girl in pink hairbands is something we should all be very supportive of.

If not, it makes you a bigot. It isn't a sign of being mentally unbalanced or completely moronic at all. :rolleyes:

[Marsh.]

I don't see how "6 year old" and "fetish" could be used in the same sentence and be considered healthy....

but i'm not a professional :shrug:

This. :unsure:

Since when did stuff like this become openly acceptable?

What next? Jimmy Saville canonised as a saint? :idc:

This era of political correctness we're going through is getting a lot of perverts trying to get away with creepy sh*t.

[Marsh.]

Whatever floats your boat.
I watched a programme where grown men went to nursery..as babies, had nappies on, drank from baby bottles and slept in giant cots, some sort of sexual fantasy and they paid well for it.:shrug:

If my child was going to nursery and was crawling around in an area a fat arsed middle aged man had been rolling around on the night before after having his nappy changed I would burn the mother *******ing place to the ground.

[Marsh.]

you don't know what she's gone through and she might want to see her kids again when she feels comfortable to do so.

Excuse me but I'm not here to visit my dad on Christmas Day dressed in a Frozen costume. :nono:

[Scarlett.]

Excuse me but I'm not here to visit my dad on Christmas Day dressed in a Frozen costume. :nono:

http://45.media.tumblr.com/a458fa711539235c6c5ee6a7f65ffaf8/tumblr_ngftrjqbzW1t053t6o2_250.gif

[kirklancaster]

Yeah, bringing children into this world and then abandoning them with some mid-life breakdown wanting to be a pre-pubescent little girl in pink hairbands is something we should all be very supportive of.

If not, it makes you a bigot. It isn't a sign of being mentally unbalanced or completely moronic at all. :rolleyes:

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

(And Marsh - don't forget what I told you before; use the 'A' when you're telling people I applauded you. The correct sentence is:

"Kirk gave me 'a' clap". :hehe:

[Mystic Mock]

Excuse me but I'm not here to visit my dad on Christmas Day dressed in a Frozen costume. :nono:

Your Dad as Elsa.:laugh3:

[Marsh.]

Your Dad as Elsa.:laugh3:

*slits wrists*

Although he does love a bit of snow. :omgno:

[Kizzy]

I'd say it was a brain fart too, the responsibility must have just gotten too much and thought 'who in the world has the least amount of responsibility'?... *morphs into 6yr old girl.

[Marsh.]

No self respecting transgender person would be caught dead in that outfit.

[Rob!]

*slits wrists*

Although he does love a bit of snow. :omgno:

:joker::joker:

[Denver]

There is something totally weird and fishy about this man

[kirklancaster]

There is something totally weird and fishy about this man

You said it brother - and if anything it's an UNDERSTATEMENT.

How comes a lot of these 'Trans - whatever' wait until they are virtual OAP's before coming out of the closet?

And worse still; how comes a lot of them father multiple children whilst living for decades as 'family' men and loving 'husbands'?

Worse still, why do they have to publicise their 'transformations', thereby causing the maximum shame, enbarrassment and upset for their POOR children and partners?

Don't these 'poor unfortunates' realise how cruel other people can be to their families?

[Marsh.]

You said it brother - and if anything it's an UNDERSTATEMENT.

How comes a lot of these 'Trans - whatever' wait until they are virtual OAP's before coming out of the closet?

And worse still; how comes a lot of them father multiple children whilst living for decades as 'family' men and loving 'husbands'?

Worse still, why do they have to publicise their 'transformations', thereby causing the maximum shame, enbarrassment and upset for their POOR children and partners?

Don't these 'poor unfortunates' realise how cruel other people can be to their families?

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

Like Kellie Maloney wanting the respect and privacy to complete her transition and settle into her new life....... you know, by going on Celebrity Big Brother and selling magazine interviews.

[Scarlett.]

You said it brother - and if anything it's an UNDERSTATEMENT.

How comes a lot of these 'Trans - whatever' wait until they are virtual OAP's before coming out of the closet?

And worse still; how comes a lot of them father multiple children whilst living for decades as 'family' men and loving 'husbands'?

Worse still, why do they have to publicise their 'transformations', thereby causing the maximum shame, enbarrassment and upset for their POOR children and partners?

Don't these 'poor unfortunates' realise how cruel other people can be to their families?

A lot of Trans people are confused about their feelings, and many of them probably bury how they truely feel, especially since its only very recently become a lot more accepted, and the reason it is more accepted is because you have these well known celebrities going public about it.

However, they should take into account that if they have children, it is possible those children will be bullied for it, so if they do have children, they perhaps shouldn't overpublicise it all. Also, I have no sympath for trans people who completely abandon their family, just because they're changing, it is no excuse for abandoning your family. Yes, some of the family will give them a hard time, but given time, issues will be sorted, if they throw in the towel and run off to start a new life, they will be hated.

[lostalex]

but according to trans people, babies don't even have a gender right? they say you don't know your gender until you are old enough to think for yourself and decide for yourself. they say we shouldn't presume anyone is any gender until they are old enough to tell you. right?

[Scarlett.]

but according to trans people, babies don't even have a gender right? they say you don't know your gender until you are old enough to think for yourself and decide for yourself. they say we shouldn't presume anyone is any gender until they are old enough to tell you. right?

I think thats just generally tumblr.

[Ashley.]

but according to trans people, babies don't even have a gender right? they say you don't know your gender until you are old enough to think for yourself and decide for yourself. they say we shouldn't presume anyone is any gender until they are old enough to tell you. right?

What a load of ****e.

[JoshBB]

I think that while this is odd on surface, it is quite understandable. Often transgender people feel that they have missed out on their childhood and so possibly this is a psychological problem that she wants to act as a child so that she can get what she has missed out on. Hopefully someone can help her. I don't think it's fair that we laugh at someone like this.

[JoshBB]

A lot of Trans people are confused about their feelings, and many of them probably bury how they truely feel, especially since its only very recently become a lot more accepted, and the reason it is more accepted is because you have these well known celebrities going public about it.

However, they should take into account that if they have children, it is possible those children will be bullied for it, so if they do have children, they perhaps shouldn't overpublicise it all. Also, I have no sympath for trans people who completely abandon their family, just because they're changing, it is no excuse for abandoning your family. Yes, some of the family will give them a hard time, but given time, issues will be sorted, if they throw in the towel and run off to start a new life, they will be hated.

It's very easy though for us to pass judgement on people when we haven't spent a day in their shoes, we don't know what it's truly like so I can't judge these people for their choices. It seems inherently wrong to abandon your family to me, but it may be justified depending on the situation.

[Marsh.]

I think that while this is odd on surface, it is quite understandable. Often transgender people feel that they have missed out on their childhood and so possibly this is a psychological problem that she wants to act as a child so that she can get what she has missed out on. Hopefully someone can help her. I don't think it's fair that we laugh at someone like this.

But as a parent you learn not to be so self centred and selfish.

Once you get to that age and rack up so much life experience, you're supposed to have the maturity to grow up, get over it and realise there is much more to life than yourself.

People like this man need psychological help if ill, otherwise a kick up the arse.

[Marsh.]

It's very easy though for us to pass judgement on people when we haven't spent a day in their shoes, we don't know what it's truly like so I can't judge these people for their choices. It seems inherently wrong to abandon your family to me, but it may be justified depending on the situation.

"Justified" I feel would be the wrong choice of term.

Understandable or explainable to some degree, but definitely not "just".

"Just" makes him another deadbeat dad. Putting himself before the people he brought into the world.

[JoshBB]

But as a parent you learn not to be so self centred and selfish.

Once you get to that age and rack up so much life experience, you're supposed to have the maturity to grow up, get over it and realise there is much more to life than yourself.

People like this man need psychological help if ill, otherwise a kick up the arse.

First of all, can we please use female pronouns.

Secondly, I agree it appears selfish on surface but again, I haven't ever been in the situation of a transgender person transitioning so I can't imagine what that must be like. We can try our best to sympathise but will likely not truly understand, and for that reason I'm not going to pass judgement on them.

But yeah the acting like a 6-year-old child thing is something she should probably see a psychologist about, because that's not something that could be considered mentally healthy.

[Marsh.]

First of all, can we please use female pronouns.

Don't even try to get PC with me. :)

[JoshBB]

Don't even try to get PC with me. :)

It's not PC to use someone's correct pronouns, it's rude and transphobic. If you'd like me to start referring to you as "she" to demonstrate my point I will.

[Marsh.]

It's not PC to use someone's correct pronouns, it's rude and transphobic. If you'd like me to start referring to you as "she" to demonstrate my point I will.

Yes, it is PC.

This is a 46 year old man, father of seven children dressing up as a six year old girl. Ffs, get some perspective.

[JoshBB]

Yes, it is PC.

This is a 46 year old man, father of seven children dressing up as a six year old girl. Ffs, get some perspective.

She was transgender before the 'six year old girl' concept popped up, that is something that is completely unrelated. She is a 46 year old woman who needs to see a psychologist about wanting to live as a six year old, but apart from that..

Respect peoples' pronouns. Simple as.

[lostalex]

i'm a gay man, and i've known since i was around 5 our 6... and i've never been bullied for being gay. ever. i've never been called a ****** to my face, i've never been bullied for being gay, and i've never had to kick anyone's ass.

It wasn't hard.

Some people just want the drama though.

[Niamh.]

This part of article :

“To me, ‘stop being trans’ isn’t something I could do,” she says. “It would be like telling me to stop being 6ft 2 or leave.”

Yet "stop being 46" is perfectly doable? :umm2:

[Marsh.]

She was transgender before the 'six year old girl' concept popped up, that is something that is completely unrelated. She is a 46 year old woman who needs to see a psychologist about wanting to live as a six year old, but apart from that..

Respect peoples' pronouns. Simple as.

I don't share that view.

[Marsh.]

This part of article :

“To me, ‘stop being trans’ isn’t something I could do,” she says. “It would be like telling me to stop being 6ft 2 or leave.”

Yet "stop being 46" is perfectly doable? :umm2:

Exactly. :laugh:

Those eye bags aren't fooling anyone mister. :nono:

[RichardG]

^^

What about the creepy couple who have 'adopted' him/her???

Is the father having sex with the trans 'girl'??

Is his wife?

What sort of threesome is it??

It gets more peculiar the more I think about it. :eek:

I saw this in the comment section

No one seems to be mentioning that Stefonknee is in a sexual relationship with her "adopted parents." She went into explicit detail about sex with her "adoptive father" in an interview with The Heart radio show, season one, episode nine. It's very disturbing but worth it to know exactly the kind of person we're dealing with here.

:omgno:

How embarrassing for his wife and kids

[Marsh.]

I saw this in the comment section



:omgno:

How embarrassing for his wife and kids

Yet we need to respect this moronic pervert guys. :idc:

[Cherie]

I saw this in the comment section



:omgno:

How embarrassing for his wife and kids


Just your normal 6 year old girl :umm2:

[JoshBB]

I don't share that view.

Using correct pronouns is not a 'view', it's just not being transphobic.

[Marsh.]

Using correct pronouns is not a 'view', it's just not being transphobic.

I was referring to the entire point of view you described about this person. Those are not the correct terms for this person.

I believe the words are "sick" and "perverted".

So take your PC attitude to a topic in actual need of it.

[lostalex]

Using correct pronouns is not a 'view', it's just not being transphobic.

the definition of "correct" is still up for debate though... i have a trans cousin, and "he" just came out this year, and trust me, everyone who loves "him" to death are still struggling with it, and "he" would never claim that we are transphobic for struggling to get it right all of the time.

Imagine trying to remember to call a big mac a KFC chicken bucket everytime you talked about eating fried chicken. it messes with your brain trying to remember to call fried chicken a big mac. because your brain is so used to thinking about fried chicken, and how it looks and how it tastes, but now you have to call it a big mac, and it feels like if you say it's a big mac people will think you are actually talking about mcdonalds, but you aren't talking about a mcdonalds big mac, you are talking about a KFC big mac, but KFC doesn't sell big macs... so it just doesn't make any sense.

It seems so simple for people that don't know any trans people, or to people that have known trans people AFTER they transitioned... bout for people dealing with people going through the transition, it's really not as easy as you think.

it's like ordering a big mac at KFC. it just doesn't make sense and sounds wrong everytime you say it.

[JoshBB]

I was referring to the entire point of view you described about this person. Those are not the correct terms for this person.

I believe the words are "sick" and "perverted".

So take your PC attitude to a topic in actual need of it.

........ yeah I can see compassion is going nowhere here.

the definition of "correct" is still up for debate though... i have a trans cousin, and "he" just came out this year, and trust me, everyone who loves "him" to death are still struggling with it, and "he" would never claim that we are transphobic for struggling to get it right all of the time. imagine trying to remember to call a big mac a KFC chicken bucket everytime you talked about eating fried chicken. it masseuses with your brain trying to remember to call fried chicken a big mac.

Oh of course, it takes time to fully register. A person at my school came out as transgender and I kept using 'she' instead of 'he' on accident for the first week or so, but they said it was okay since I am at least making an effort. I think that's what matters here - purposefully using the wrong gender pronouns is quite nasty imo.

[Marsh.]

........ yeah I can see compassion is going nowhere here.



Oh of course, it takes time to fully register. A person at my school came out as transgender and I kept using 'she' instead of 'he' on accident for the first week or so, but they said it was okay since I am at least making an effort. I think that's what matters here - purposefully using the wrong gender pronouns is quite nasty imo.

Yeah, a grown man leaves his family and kids to live out a sexual perverted fantasy as a six year old girl with "adopted parents" and the problem is I lack compassion for him, and what "matters here" is the pronouns used for perverted scum like this.

Ok. :pat:

[Jake.]

I wish mum and dad would stop arguing

http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2015/12/11/10/stefonknee-wolschtt-transgender-youtube-2.jpg

[Marsh.]

:joker:

[Moosething]

Bring on the bigotry :rolleyes:

Uh no
This is beyond bizarre

[DemolitionRed]

One thing she can be sure of is, she's not alone. It seems there are thousands of them out there. They have their own communities, their own clubs and their own networking groups. Lots of women are doing this too, in fact its more common amongst adult women that it is amongst adult men.

I think bringing something like this into mainstream society isn't ever going to go down well though. People won't understand and can't be expected to understand. At least keeping it within the confines of her own groups, she was assured acceptance.

I remember chatting to a female age player some years ago and asking her why she was like she is. This is a woman who had two different ages plus her adult self, depending on where she was and what mood she was in. She told me that she had a wonderful childhood and considered she had fantastic parents but as she grew up and was expected to join adult society, she found it alien and often a lonely place. She told me, her adult child was just an expression of the happy child within, that for her it was just about re-visiting a place in time when she felt very safe.

[Marsh.]

Age player?

Bloody burn them! BURN THEM ALL!

[Ammi]

..it's funny how we all read the same thing but can have different perspectives of that same thing..when I clicked on this thread/from the title, I fully expected to read something quite weird but found myself feeling how sad it was/yes obviously weird as well but I think she still has a long journey mentally ...I know this is a parent who on the surface and how the story is headlined, has left her family/children for selfish reasons and not someone to have any respect for at all..but from reading an listening to her, she's also someone whose family had and has a complete intolerance of her/of who she really is, which is female...her wife refused to accept her, one of her daughters on inviting her to her wedding, said that she must come as a male, sit at the back and talk to no member of the family...so no acceptance/no tolerance of who her father was..in staying with her family, she would never be able to be who she was because there looks like complete and closed down intolerance...

...as she said, she attempted suicide and at least now, she doesn't have those feeling...even though there are obviously still .mental' things there to address, which I hope that she's able to...would she have got more sympathy or understanding had she succeeded in suicide attempts and taken her life because her environment/family etc prevented her from being who she was, could not accept who she was ..it's hard to say I guess...but yeah, I do feel sympathy and different to how I thought I would when first entering the thread and on hearing her story and listening to her...but as often is the way, we only ever have bite-sized bits of these things to base our perspectives on and I'm sure that her wife and children's story would evoke a different perspective completely...

[Marsh.]

Well, yeah, you're right Ammi, these complex matters do tend to incite so many different interpretations and reactions but I can't see the wife/kids/family as in the wrong in this instance.

He was the one that entered into a relationship with his wife as a fully grown heterosexual man and brought these children into the world. To make them into some kind of enemy that won't allow him to "be who he wants" is utterly selfish to me no matter his own issues. Surely the whole part of being a parent is thinking beyond yourself. It's a kind of deception for him to suddenly say this is who he is after all this time and then blame them for not wanting to deal with it.

When you strip it away from the out of the ordinary "wants to be a 6 year old child" stuff it kind of boils down to the same deadbeat dad territory to me. A dad thinking of himself and not the responsibilities to a (in this case, quite large) family he had a hand in creating. Then when he decides he'd like a part of their lives again, it's only on his own terms and if they accept him. The whole thing really does not sit well with me.

[Ammi]

Well, yeah, you're right Ammi, these complex matters do tend to incite so many different interpretations and reactions but I can't see the wife/kids/family as in the wrong in this instance.

He was the one that entered into a relationship with his wife as a fully grown heterosexual man and brought these children into the world. To make them into some kind of enemy that won't allow him to "be who he wants" is utterly selfish to me no matter his own issues. Surely the whole part of being a parent is thinking beyond yourself. It's a kind of deception for him to suddenly say this is who he is after all this time and then blame them for not wanting to deal with it.

When you strip it away from the out of the ordinary "wants to be a 6 year old child" stuff it kind of boils down to the same deadbeat dad territory to me. A dad thinking of himself and not the responsibilities to a (in this case, quite large) family he had a hand in creating. Then when he decides he'd like a part of their lives again, it's only on his own terms and if they accept him. The whole thing really does not sit well with me.


...don't worry, I annoy myself sometimes..(most of the time..)..and I certainly annoy my family/friends because I overthink things so much and your thought process, which is a perfectly good one, could be the right and only one to think about with this..?..because, it's based on fact and the fact that the children have been left without a parent because of that's parent's choices...I guess that mine is more based on, possibilities of there not being any choices or her feelings of there not being any choices through her life because she knew that who she was would never be accepted and so at one point, tried to take her own life in her unhappiness...that also would have resulted in her children losing their parent but there would have been an unhappy life lost as well, at least this way, she has a chance of some happiness in her future...but the result to them is the same, they've lost a parent...what value though, is an unhappy parent, someone who is not living as who they are, something that would never have been accepted in choosing a life with her family as an alternative..would she have added to their lives in any way that would have meant something positive to them..?..these are all things that we don't know, so hypothetical really and your thoughts are based on what is from the perspective of her family so I totally respect those thoughts...and we only go on our own life experiences as well and mine are through working in schools for many years, and experiencing knowledge of many complicated family situations etc..

..I just don't know with this one tbh Marsh...you read, a parent has left their family...I read someone who has lived their life or tried to within an environment of intolerance and that in itself would make them never be able to be the parent that their children needed...the same story, many truths but just different focuses of the words and story really...

[Ammi]

..what I will say and just picking up on a previous post from Josh I think it was...?...with the 'no compassion'..?..I think that you have much compassion, Marsh...you very much have compassion and great thought for this family, which is very, very admirable...

[kirklancaster]

Can there EVER be a legitimate EXCUSE for any parent to abandon their partners and children in order for that parent to pursue his/her own selfish interests?

No.

Can there be deep-seated psychological REASONS which are behind a parent's abandonment of his/her family to go off in pursuit of their own selfish interests or desires?

YES.

In which case that parent needs psychological help.

In these types of cases however, I still find it very suspicious:

a) that this 'need' to swap 'gender' always seems to become the most potent and no longer 'containable' when the unfortunate reaches veritable 'old age'.

b) These types of unfortunates are so vulnerable and intimidated by a cruel non-understanding world, that they immediately leap in front of media cameras and microphones to publicise their predicament.

c) All the - predictable - sympathy from certain 'P.C' lovers of '-Ism's', always seems to be for the 'unfortunates' and NOT for their poor children and partners and relatives.

I once pissed myself when I saw an old monochrome photo of the abhorrent bastard, J.Edgar Hoover, dressed in female clothing with silk stockings and suspenders, blonde wig, and full 'Whatever Happened To Baby Jane' O.T.T. make-up, and I confess that my first reaction when I saw this photograph of this 'unfortunate' was no different, because it is so utterly ludicrous.

I have a very long PROVABLE history of campaigning for Gay Rights - when Gays WERE violently and abhorrently discriminated against - and I have not got one 'Homophobic' bone in my body, but if my tendency to regard this particular case as being more of a 'sicko' needing desperate professional help than any 'Transgender' or whatever issue, causes anyone to pin that particular label on me, then go ahead.

I admit to being baffled by this.

[Niamh.]

Well, yeah, you're right Ammi, these complex matters do tend to incite so many different interpretations and reactions but I can't see the wife/kids/family as in the wrong in this instance.

He was the one that entered into a relationship with his wife as a fully grown heterosexual man and brought these children into the world. To make them into some kind of enemy that won't allow him to "be who he wants" is utterly selfish to me no matter his own issues. Surely the whole part of being a parent is thinking beyond yourself. It's a kind of deception for him to suddenly say this is who he is after all this time and then blame them for not wanting to deal with it.

When you strip it away from the out of the ordinary "wants to be a 6 year old child" stuff it kind of boils down to the same deadbeat dad territory to me. A dad thinking of himself and not the responsibilities to a (in this case, quite large) family he had a hand in creating. Then when he decides he'd like a part of their lives again, it's only on his own terms and if they accept him. The whole thing really does not sit well with me.

Yep I absolutely agree with that, how would it be any different from a 46 year old man with a wife and 7 kids who suddenly decides he wants to be 20 years old again and single and start dating 19 year old girls? Should his family accept that because that's who he wants to be now?

[Marsh.]

Yep I absolutely agree with that, how would it be any different from a 46 year old man with a wife and 7 kids who suddenly decides he wants to be 20 years old again and single and start dating 19 year old girls? Should his family accept that because that's who he wants to be now?

A VERY good point.
That's why I said when you take away the unusual "6 year old girl" angle, he's just another man dropping his responsibilities as he fancies going doing something else for his own pleasures/gains.

[Marsh.]

..what I will say and just picking up on a previous post from Josh I think it was...?...with the 'no compassion'..?..I think that you have much compassion, Marsh...you very much have compassion and great thought for this family, which is very, very admirable...

Thank you. :laugh:

I don't know. Maybe it's our personal experience which dictate what side of the story we might gravitate towards. Having seen the effects from the pain and selfishness of dads walking out on their family it's ruling the direction of my compassion in this particular case.

[Vicky.]

Hardly bigotry for people to think it's weird as **** for a man in his late 40's to say he wants to be identified as a 6 year old Jack, come on lol we'd all love to be younger, is he going to enroll in primary school? I wouldn't want my child in his class :worry:

I honestly feel its got to the point where we should just accept without question that someone identifies as a ****ing unicorn or a mermaid or something. Thats really how it seems these days.

[Marsh.]

I honestly feel its got to the point where we should just accept without question that someone identifies as a ****ing unicorn or a mermaid or something. Thats really how it seems these days.

Exactly. The world has officially gone beyond crazy.

[Ashley.]

People need to stop labelling people as transphobic or bigots, he's abandoned his family because "oh I don't feel like being an adult right now", the bastard should grow up and take some responsibility, I'm sorry but it's pathetic.

[Vicky.]

Yep I absolutely agree with that, how would it be any different from a 46 year old man with a wife and 7 kids who suddenly decides he wants to be 20 years old again and single and start dating 19 year old girls? Should his family accept that because that's who he wants to be now?

People need to stop labelling people as transphobic or bigots, he's abandoned his family because "oh I don't feel like being an adult right now", the bastard should grow up and take some responsibility, I'm sorry but it's pathetic.

So much truth...

[Jamie89]

I honestly feel its got to the point where we should just accept without question that someone identifies as a ****ing unicorn or a mermaid or something. Thats really how it seems these days.

Some of my best friends are unicorns :fist:

[RichardG]

I honestly feel its got to the point where we should just accept without question that someone identifies as a ****ing unicorn or a mermaid or something. Thats really how it seems these days.

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[Kyle]

She's had one hell of a paper round that girl.

[lily.]

I honestly feel its got to the point where we should just accept without question that someone identifies as a ****ing unicorn or a mermaid or something. Thats really how it seems these days.

The otherkins on tumblr.....

-smh-

[Marsh.]

The otherkins on tumblr.....

-smh-

I just googled that word and I may never go to sleep again. :bawling:

[Scarlett.]

People need to stop labelling people as transphobic or bigots, he's abandoned his family because "oh I don't feel like being an adult right now", the bastard should grow up and take some responsibility, I'm sorry but it's pathetic.

I don't think most people are defending him specifically, just defending other trans people. I agree, there is never a good reason to abandon your children. There's nothing wrong being trans AND a parent.

That whole otherkin **** is just... ugh.

[lily.]

I just googled that word and I may never go to sleep again. :bawling:

Tumblr has them all..