35% more women than men going to uni

[the truth]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35111772

women are light years ahead of men at every age in schools and now theyre massively dominating university

there are less than 5% male teachers in junior schools and the fact nearly 50% kids don't live with their fathers, means the kids have no male influence at home or in the classroom..this is massively disadvantaging boys

suicides are over 4 times higher in young men that women too

it is time we embrae equality and fight to ensure men and boys catch up with girls and women....feminisim will never do this as feminism is for womens rights only...feminism must end now and equality must replace it

[user104658]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35111772

women are light years ahead of men at every age in schools and now theyre massively dominating university

there are less than 5% male teachers in junior schools and the fact nearly 50% kids don't live with their fathers, means the kids have no male influence at home or in the classroom..this is massively disadvantaging boys

suicides are over 4 times higher in young men that women too

it is time we embrae equality and fight to ensure men and boys catch up with girls and women....feminisim will never do this as feminism is for womens rights only...feminism must end now and equality must replace it

To be honest, I feel like a big part of this is actually because boys are far (FAR) more likely to enter into a trade after school than girls are (basically still unheard of) and so girls actually have fewer options? I knew a lot of guys at school who had the grades and ability to go to University but chose to go down the trade apprenticeship route instead. For most of them it was a good choice.

However, I don't know many girls who had the grades for Uni who didn't ultimately go to Uni, because (they feel like) there are fewer alternatives...


I get that there are big differences in male and female learning styles and the education system can be a lottle bit skewed, however, as always, I have less problem with this than I do with the education system constantly pandering to the lowest common denominator (although they claim that they don't... they do... and have been for decades). SO many clever kids failing to reach their academic potential because schools won't effectively divide them by ability because it "might make Little Thick Suzie feel bad". Absolutely nuts.

[Jay.]

my course year is 90% girls :flutter:

[Jay.]

there are less than 5% male teachers in junior schools and the fact nearly 50% kids don't live with their fathers, means the kids have no male influence at home or in the classroom..this is massively disadvantaging boys

suicides are over 4 times higher in young men that women too


what has any of this got to do with it

[Niamh.]

To be honest, I feel like a big part of this is actually because boys are far (FAR) more likely to enter into a trade after school than girls are (basically still unheard of) and so girls actually have fewer options? I knew a lot of guys at school who had the grades and ability to go to University but chose to go down the trade apprenticeship route instead. For most of them it was a good choice.

However, I don't know many girls who had the grades for Uni who didn't ultimately go to Uni, because (they feel like) there are fewer alternatives...


I get that there are big differences in male and female learning styles and the education system can be a lottle bit skewed, however, as always, I have less problem with this than I do with the education system constantly pandering to the lowest common denominator (although they claim that they don't... they do... and have been for decades). SO many clever kids failing to reach their academic potential because schools won't effectively divide them by ability because it "might make Little Thick Suzie feel bad". Absolutely nuts.

Do you divide them according to ability in secondary school over there? We do here but not in primary, except with reading and spellings etc, the teacher gives different level spellings, reading books according to ability.

[the truth]

what has any of this got to do with it

I don't understand your question? Im talking about boys and men falling way behind girls and women and boys being left behind , they often then fall off the rails into drugs and even suicide , the young male suicide rates are the highest of all time. Its all interconnected as no one seems to care about boys and young men. feminism is a movement to help girls and women and push their agenda at the expense of boys and men.

[the truth]

To be honest, I feel like a big part of this is actually because boys are far (FAR) more likely to enter into a trade after school than girls are (basically still unheard of) and so girls actually have fewer options? I knew a lot of guys at school who had the grades and ability to go to University but chose to go down the trade apprenticeship route instead. For most of them it was a good choice.

However, I don't know many girls who had the grades for Uni who didn't ultimately go to Uni, because (they feel like) there are fewer alternatives...


I get that there are big differences in male and female learning styles and the education system can be a lottle bit skewed, however, as always, I have less problem with this than I do with the education system constantly pandering to the lowest common denominator (although they claim that they don't... they do... and have been for decades). SO many clever kids failing to reach their academic potential because schools won't effectively divide them by ability because it "might make Little Thick Suzie feel bad". Absolutely nuts.

its way more than skewed young boys are light years behind , mainly because of feminism and the disappearance of male teachers and fathers. its tragic to see boys just dismissed and ignored this way. for schools and teachers to assume theyre going to join a trade is wrong and profoundly sexist. they deserve every bit as good a chance as girls. this is a massive ticking timebomb. the more young boys get ignored , passed over devalued, the angrier and more depressed and alienated they become. that means they don't fulfil potential they often turn to self harm, crime and even serious violence. Its up to MEN though to shout down feminism now once and for all and replace it equality and equal opportunity

[Jay.]

I don't understand your question? Im talking about boys and men falling way behind girls and women and boys being left behind , they often then fall off the rails into drugs and even suicide , the young male suicide rates are the highest of all time. Its all interconnected as no one seems to care about boys and young men. feminism is a movement to help girls and women and push their agenda at the expense of boys and men.

this is almost stereotyping though, obviously there must be some reason why, but i doubt it's drugs and suicide.

[the truth]

this is almost stereotyping though, obviously there must be some reason why, but i doubt it's drugs and suicide.

again you've misundererstood my point. Its not drugs and suicide that leads to exam failure...its the school failure for boys, failure to get educated which often leads to their social problems and drink drugs , bad company and in some cases suicide

[Marsh.]

So, in two sentences you've jumped from a lot more girls attending university than boys to comparing it to the higher suicide rates in young men?

Are you actually going to provide a credible argument which links these two statistics?

Are you suggesting more men are committing suicide due to not attending university?

Your male vs female rantings get very tiresome.

[the truth]

So, in two sentences you've jumped from a lot more girls attending university than boys to comparing it to the higher suicide rates in young men?

Are you actually going to provide a credible argument which links these two statistics?

Are you suggesting more men are committing suicide due to not attending university?

Your male vs female rantings get very tiresome.


The usual false dichotomy from you zzzz the only thing tiresome here is your insincere replies where you deliberately try to derail and misinterpret threads because of your misandry

[Marsh.]

The usual false dichotomy from you zzzz the only thing tiresome here is your insincere replies where you deliberately try to derail and misinterpret threads because of your misandry

So instead of backing up your ludicrous thread you've jumped to a third and fourth ridiculous statement with zero back up. Ok.

[the truth]

So instead of backing up your ludicrous thread you've jumped to a third and fourth ridiculous statement with zero back up. Ok.

No that's not what Ive done at all, youre lying and misrepresenting as always , try following the thread and the topic for once instead of ruining it for everyone

[Niamh.]

its way more than skewed young boys are light years behind , mainly because of feminism and the disappearance of male teachers and fathers. its tragic to see boys just dismissed and ignored this way. for schools and teachers to assume theyre going to join a trade is wrong and profoundly sexist. they deserve every bit as good a chance as girls. this is a massive ticking timebomb. the more young boys get ignored , passed over devalued, the angrier and more depressed and alienated they become. that means they don't fulfil potential they often turn to self harm, crime and even serious violence. Its up to MEN though to shout down feminism now once and for all and replace it equality and equal opportunity

What do you mean by this? Are you saying boys are being encouraged not to do their work in school and not to go to University? lol I have kids at school going age and that is just not true

[the truth]

What do you mean by this? Are you saying boys are being encouraged not to do their work in school and not to go to University? lol I have kids at school going age and that is just not true

glad you find it so funny?
the only thing untrue is your misinterpretation of what Ive said

[Niamh.]

glad you find it so funny?
the only thing untrue is your misinterpretation of what Ive said

I find it funny because it's not true, I have a son and a daughter and they both get equal interest and input from their teachers in school.

[Marsh.]

No that's not what Ive done at all, youre lying and misrepresenting as always , try following the thread and the topic for once instead of ruining it for everyone

Try creating a topic to begin with instead of throwing a load of sh*t in one post and trying (and failing) to make them relevant to one another to somehow spell out how the world is run by women and men are being stifled.

[Kizzy]

I don't understand your question? Im talking about boys and men falling way behind girls and women and boys being left behind , they often then fall off the rails into drugs and even suicide , the young male suicide rates are the highest of all time. Its all interconnected as no one seems to care about boys and young men. feminism is a movement to help girls and women and push their agenda at the expense of boys and men.

They leave themselves behind, the education system is taught the same way to both sexes and if boys want to learn they will there has to be some culpability, everyone has to take responsibility for their future.
Feminism was about equal opportunities nothing more.

[Cherie]

my course year is 90% girls :flutter:

The girls must be devastated :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Lads walk into jobs/apprenticeships after school which girls find it hard to do. From my experience and people I know anyway. Males are much more likely to go into plumbing, bricklaying and the likes which do not require education as such but manual labour and learning on the job.

I fail to see the link between suicides and university attendance no matter how much I try :shrug:

[Cherie]

Lads walk into jobs/apprenticeships after school which girls find it hard to do. From my experience and people I know anyway. Males are much more likely to go into plumbing, bricklaying and the likes which do not require education as such but manual labour and learning on the job.

I fail to see the link between suicides and university attendance no matter how much I try :shrug:

Your female brain isn't large enough to wrap itself around this concept I suppose

[Niamh.]

Lads walk into jobs/apprenticeships after school which girls find it hard to do. From my experience and people I know anyway. Males are much more likely to go into plumbing, bricklaying and the likes which do not require education as such but manual labour and learning on the job.

I fail to see the link between suicides and university attendance no matter how much I try :shrug:

My son is 11 years old and already he's convinced he want to join the Police, I'm constantly saying to him, well you have to put the work in incase you change your mind and want to go to University but he's adamant that's what he wants to do. My daughter on the otherhand is 100% sure she wants to go to University, she's really into her studies, I actually have to tell her to take breaks she's that into it, she's not sure what she even wants to do career wise yet but she's sure she's going to University anyway. They've both been raised in the same house by the same parents and been encouraged in the same way :shrug:

Saying that, my son is still only 11 so he might change his mind on the Police thing, I think it's because he's obsessed with guns lol eventhough the Irish Police don't even carry guns :laugh:

[Jay.]

The girls must be devastated :laugh:

:joker:

it's not like it's even a girly subject, basically communication, media and english lmao

[Marsh.]

My son is 11 years old and already he's convinced he want to join the Police, I'm constantly saying to him, well you have to put the work in incase you change your mind and want to go to University but he's adamant that's what he wants to do. My daughter on the otherhand is 100% sure she wants to go to University, she's really into her studies, I actually have to tell her to take breaks she's that into it, she's not sure what she even wants to do career wise yet but she's sure she's going to University anyway. They've both been raised in the same house by the same parents and been encouraged in the same way :shrug:

Saying that, my son is still only 11 so he might change his mind on the Police thing, I think it's because he's obsessed with guns lol eventhough the Irish Police don't even carry guns :laugh:

Tell him there's a global recruitment agency that are taking people on. They carry guns. I forget the name of the organisation. :think:

[Niamh.]

Tell him there's a global recruitment agency that are taking people on. They carry guns. I forget the name of the organisation. :think:

:nono:

[Tom4784]

Tell him there's a global recruitment agency that are taking people on. They carry guns. I forget the name of the organisation. :think:

Interpol?

[Marsh.]

Interpol?

YES! :clap1:

God knows what Niamh was thinking of. :suspect:

[user104658]

what has any of this got to do with it
The lack of male teachers is actually an issue - males and females think (and especially, learn) quite differently. There are literal biological differences in how the male and female brain processes information. For that reason, unavoidably, females are better able to learn from a female teacher, who will of course be teacher ing from the perspective that she best understands. There actually has been, in recent years, a gradual skewing of educational materials that tend to cater better for girls. I don't think it's deliberate, though. I don't think there's an agenda. It's more a side effect of how the education system has evolved.

Girls hit their stride younger in general, boys excel more towards the pre/early teen years. Unfortunately by that point, many of them who fell behind in early school years have already been written off as incapable.

It IS true that once you get into the late teen years, there are a huge number of young men whose academic results just don't seem to match with their obvious conversational intelligence level. Again, while it does happen, you see it less with girls; bright girls tend to have done well academically.

There obviously are other reasons too like different distraction, peer pressure, and things like that BUT yeah... On this occasion I don't disagree with The Truth. I just don't think it's a gender-agenda issue... More that the system is entirely based around getting the most out of the "average student". It just so happens that the "average student" is of middling intelligence, and female.

[user104658]

I fail to see the link between suicides and university attendance no matter how much I try :shrug:

I don't think it's that simple but I can see where the link can be made based on what I was saying above.

Underachievement / failure to reach perceived potential can be a major suicide trigger.

[Marsh.]

I don't think it's that simple but I can see where the link can be made based on what I was saying above.

Underachievement / failure to reach perceived potential can be a major suicide trigger.

But how does not attending uni equate to underachieving.

There are many things in life that could make someone an underachiever that have nothing to do with uni.

Uni isn't the be-all and end-all of life.

[Niamh.]

The lack of male teachers is actually an issue - males and females think (and especially, learn) quite differently. There are literal biological differences in how the male and female brain processes information. For that reason, unavoidably, females are better able to learn from a female teacher, who will of course be teacher ing from the perspective that she best understands. There actually has been, in recent years, a gradual skewing of educational materials that tend to cater better for girls. I don't think it's deliberate, though. I don't think there's an agenda. It's more a side effect of how the education system has evolved.

Girls hit their stride younger in general, boys excel more towards the pre/early teen years. Unfortunately by that point, many of them who fell behind in early school years have already been written off as incapable.

It IS true that once you get into the late teen years, there are a huge number of young men whose academic results just don't seem to match with their obvious conversational intelligence level. Again, while it does happen, you see it less with girls; bright girls tend to have done well academically.

There obviously are other reasons too like different distraction, peer pressure, and things like that BUT yeah... On this occasion I don't disagree with The Truth. I just don't think it's a gender-agenda issue... More that the system is entirely based around getting the most out of the "average student". It just so happens that the "average student" is of middling intelligence, and female.

Good read TS. I wonder why there are so little male primary school teachers though? I don't like to be generalizing too much based on gender but I always assumed that it was because females are more likely to want to work with younger kids than men

[Tom4784]

You don't get as many boys going to Uni as girls because the trade industry is generally male dominated so it's a better option for a lot of boys that aren't academically minded. If you're a girl that doesn't want to go to Uni then there's not a lot of options when it comes to careers, the only trades I can think of that women are prevalent in are Health and Beauty and Hairdressing which isn't exactly enticing for a lot of girls.

I think the lack of male teachers in Primary Schools is down to the issue that a lot of male teachers don't want to work with kids and prefer to work with older students. I never had a male teacher until I was in year 6 and then my Secondary School had more male teachers than female and the same applied to the college I went to.

[MB.]

Tomorrow: more women have boobs than men - is mother nature conspiring against us? :think:

[Mokka]

Tomorrow: more women have boobs than men - is mother nature conspiring against us? :think:

:laugh2:

Well, you do have Simon Cowell as a counter argument... But yes, this whole world is geared against men, history be damned.

[Jay.]

Tomorrow: more women have boobs than men - is mother nature conspiring against us? :think:

well more are men getting into drugs and committing suicide (possibly before puberty/ before they develop boobs)

[Kyle]

Not really bothered if more females go to uni than males. In landscape gardening it's virtually all men and that doesn't bother me either. The female apprentices they did have on needed constant help shifting tools off the van, changing heads on strimmers and handling petrol Hedgecutters.

I don't subscribe to the 'every environment has to have complete split down the middle representation' rule of thumb. if women do better than men in schololarly (if that's a word) fields then crack on I say.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As long as they dont let women become policemen or doctors then I am with Kyle. Let them do the stuff that suits them and let airplanes, combine harvesters and trains be 100% mans jobs like they are at the moment

Lets not fix what is broken

[Vicky.]

Not really bothered if more females go to uni than males. In landscape gardening it's virtually all men and that doesn't bother me either. The female apprentices they did have on needed constant help shifting tools off the van, changing heads on strimmers and handling petrol Hedgecutters.

I don't subscribe to the 'every environment has to have complete split down the middle representation' rule of thumb. if women do better than men in schololarly (if that's a word) fields then crack on I say.

Gotta say I do agree with this. Some jobs are just better for men (generally) than women. And vice versa. And no amount of 'sexism' cries will ever change my opinion tbh.

[Ashley.]

Men are more likely to take on vocational skills when they're 16 which leads them directly into employment without the needs of a degree.

[Mokka]

As long as they dont let women become policemen or doctors then I am with Kyle. Let them do the stuff that suits them and let airplanes, combine harvesters and trains be 100% mans jobs like they are at the moment

Lets not fix what is broken

I've driven a Combine Harvester.... :fist: and so has my mother, and my sisters :smug:

I think we should leave the antiquing to the women though... clearly not a man's job :hehe:

[Ashley.]

As long as they dont let women become policemen

Well that would be impossible

[Kyle]

Oi Leathertrumpet, that's not what I'm saying at all. :joker:

If you can do the job I don't care if you're a man, woman or an alien from planet Kirklancaster.

I'm just saying I don't really care if more women are going to uni than men if it suits em better same as more men being in trades that require a lot of grafting/heavy lifting/muscle.

[Ashley.]

Some of the best police officers and Doctors I know are women. You hold a very unpopular and old-fashioned view, LT. Nobody really cares about genders anymore and that's how it should always be.

[Northern Monkey]

Female teachers can be a distraction for boys.I remember calling the hot blonde teacher with the low cut top over constantly so i could see her tits.Boys do learn better from male teachers for this reason.

[Mokka]

Female teachers can be a distraction for boys.I remember calling the hot blonde teacher with the low cut top over constantly so i could see her tits.Boys do learn better from male teachers for this reason.

Idk... I have a sneaking suspicion that a number of the guys on this forum were calling the male teach over to get a better angle view at his bulge

[Niamh.]

Idk... I have a sneaking suspicion that a number of the guys on this forum were calling the male teach over to get a better angle view at his bulge

:laugh:

[Marsh.]

I'd love to know which schools had all of these teachers in people liked to perv on.

Mine were either really old or just not attractive. :unsure:

[Niamh.]

I'd love to know which schools had all of these teachers in people liked to perv on.

Mine were either really old or just not attractive. :unsure:

I know yeah :laugh: hot blondes with low cut tops? ehhh :umm2:

[Mokka]

I'd love to know which schools had all of these teachers in people liked to perv on.

Mine were either really old or just not attractive. :unsure:

:laugh:

My male teachers :yuk:

I remember this one that drank so much coffee he had brown armpit stains from sweating it out on all his tops

[bots]

I'd love to know which schools had all of these teachers in people liked to perv on.

Mine were either really old or just not attractive. :unsure:

i had a couple of stunning young female teachers when I was at primary. At secondary, not so much and they all seemed to be permanently 8 months pregnant :shocked:

[JoshBB]

again you've misundererstood my point. Its not drugs and suicide that leads to exam failure...its the school failure for boys, failure to get educated which often leads to their social problems and drink drugs , bad company and in some cases suicide

I'm a boy and my school isn't failing me whatsoever.. in fact we're given far more attention than girls in nearly every circumstance.. if a girl wears a short skirt she's told "go home! that's distracting the boys" (thus placing a boys education at a higher importance than boy's)

Your constant desire to suggest men are oppressed is ridiculous and entirely untrue.

[JoshBB]

As long as they dont let women become policemen or doctors then I am with Kyle. Let them do the stuff that suits them and let airplanes, combine harvesters and trains be 100% mans jobs like they are at the moment

Lets not fix what is broken

on a scale of one to john mccririck how uncomfortable does this picture make you feel:

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/czech-police-woman-7623609.jpg

(also do you know how many sexualised pictures I came across while searching 'policeman'?? same thing doesn't come up with 'policeman'.. another example of women being seen as sexual objects rather than human beings who have careers)

[the truth]

I'm a boy and my school isn't failing me whatsoever.. in fact we're given far more attention than girls in nearly every circumstance.. if a girl wears a short skirt she's told "go home! that's distracting the boys" (thus placing a boys education at a higher importance than boy's)

Your constant desire to suggest men are oppressed is ridiculous and entirely untrue.

Its feminist brainwash. if women were 35% behind in anything the whole feminist country would be in outrage...35% is a massive massive difference....If women are under represented its a national outrage, if men are under represented its ignored and unimportant, the pattern is sickening and sexist. In the classroom, in universities, in the court rooms, in the nhs which spends billions more on womens health, in charitable organizations, even male cancer which is higher than in women, men are underfunded by billions, in the media where womens rights are given infinitely more air time , its in everything.

But so what if boys are light years behind, so what if boys and men kill themselves at the highest rates ever recorded and over 4 times the rate of women, boys see their fathers in only 50% of cases so what, if men are conscripted to certain death in wars, so what? if men lose their kids in 80%+ divorce courts so what? If they lose their kids in 80%+ divorce courts so what? If they die 5 years younger than women, so what? its only men, lets just laugh at their problems and get outraged if any woman anywhere is 1% behind

[Gusto Brunt]

I didn't go to university but instead left school at 16 and did various jobs from salesman, to washing dishes and a milk man. :D

I did go back to college at 22, night school in fact. I did 4 A levels and passed all of them. That's all I needed.

Uni wasn't necessary.

[the truth]

I didn't go to university but instead left school at 16 and did various jobs from salesman, to washing dishes and a milk man. :D

I did go back to college at 22, night school in fact. I did 4 A levels and passed all of them. That's all I needed.

Uni wasn't necessary.

ok well done , but what is your point? that it doesn't matter of boys are left light years behind girls because 1 person didn't need uni? take a stand against the sexism against boys

[Kizzy]

ok well done , but what is your point? that it doesn't matter of boys are left light years behind girls because 1 person didn't need uni? take a stand against the sexism against boys

What sexism?... There isn't any, in any profession lads need and have qualifications, it's not just white collar workers require academic competency... electricians and plumbers are just as intelligent.
I think writing lads off like this does them a disservice.

[the truth]

What sexism?... There isn't any, in any profession lads need and have qualifications, it's not just white collar workers require academic competency... electricians and plumbers are just as intelligent.
I think writing lads off like this does them a disservice.


Ive listed extensively why is IT sexism, you've chosen to ignore that , which is in itself a form of sexism

[Kizzy]

Ive listed extensively why is IT sexism, you've chosen to ignore that , which is in itself a form of sexism

You listed an awful lot of issues that need addressing individually, looking at the education system I would say the opportunities for both are equal if they put the work in. It's not sexist to say that.