15 to 25% of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims are extremists says USA Pres Candidate

[Crimson Dynamo]

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John McAfee said the jihadis are hoping to take down the Internet and cause a global meltdown of services after developing a sophisticated mobile phone application which allows any of their warped followers to launch devastating cyber attacks.

The computer security expert, who invented the McAfee anti-virus software, claimed "fifteen to 25 percent" of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims are extremists, meaning ISIS could have an army of 400 million fanatical followers ready to strike at any minute.

Computer boffins at the terrorists’ headquarters in Raqqa have developed a secret smartphone application designed to spread Islamist propaganda and help followers carry out terrorist attacks from the comfort of their own homes.

A team which may have included British hacker Junaid Hussain invented a feature which allows even the most computer illiterate of jihadis to launch sophisticated Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks against websites.

DDoS attacks work by flooding a site with fake traffic, causing it to grind to a halt, and have been successfully used against some of the world’s biggest companies and government departments.


http://www.newsrt.co.uk/news/isis-to-unleash-up-to-400-million-jihadi-hackers-on-west-in-attack-worse-than-nuclear-war-3748855.html
http://www.britainfirst.org/fifteen-to-25-percent-of-the-worlds-1-6-billion-muslims-are-extremists-says-us-presidential-hopeful/

[bots]

i don't think that estimate is far off the mark, it may even be more

[JoshBB]

Anonymous will probably (and hopefully) take it down don't worry.

[arista]

"400 million fanatical followers ready to strike at any minute. "


Yes but not all in one go.

So Our Special Police Snipers
will Blow the Heads off with fast bullets


And USA SWAT Team will do the same

[JoshBB]

Also don't forget that Britain First is a known anti-islam extremist party, and they're infamous for forging statistics and twisting facts.

[DemolitionRed]

I don't read things with links to BF

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/627486/Islamic-State-ISIS-jihadis-hackers-cyber-war-US-Britain-president-hopeful-John-McAfee

[arista]

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/cyber-627486.jpg
[Computer expert John McAfee
has warned ISIS are preparing
for a huge cyber war against the West]

[Northern Monkey]

I have heard that figure before.Can't remember where but somebody was saying it was higher.Then the 25% figure was brought out in an attempt to play it down.As if 25% is'nt alot.

[Ninastar]

I wonder if its true, and if not, I do wonder what the true percentage is.

[Kizzy]

i don't think that estimate is far off the mark, it may even be more

More than 400 million?

[bots]

More than 400 million?

they reckon that the Muslim support of ISIS in non muslim countries is as much as 20% and that in Muslim countries its much much more, so when taken across the world, yes, it could be more than the estimate above. Supporting someone doesn't of course mean that they are going to take an active part.

[user104658]

I think it's 122% accounting for unborn ISIS babies.

[Tom4784]

If it comes from Britain First you can discount it as bull****.

[Kizzy]

they reckon that the Muslim support of ISIS in non muslim countries is as much as 20% and that in Muslim countries its much much more, so when taken across the world, yes, it could be more than the estimate above. Supporting someone doesn't of course mean that they are going to take an active part.

Can you hear yourself agreeing with the fascists?...
It didn't say agree with ISIS, it said are extremists.

[bots]

Can you hear yourself agreeing with the fascists?...
It didn't say agree with ISIS, it said are extremists.

I'm not agreeing with anyone, there are measured statistics on the subject. Supporting ISIS is supporting extremists last time I looked.

[Kizzy]

I'm not agreeing with anyone, there are measured statistics on the subject. Supporting ISIS is supporting extremists last time I looked.

But you are taking the word of Britain first as gospel, if this 400 million figure is correct then the west would have ceased to be by now would it not?

[bots]

But you are taking the word of Britain first as gospel, if this 400 million figure is correct then the west would have ceased to be by now would it not?

i'm not, I took stats from other sources. Feel free to accuse me of all sorts by all means, but its really better to do some research yourself on the subject

[Kizzy]

i'm not, I took stats from other sources. Feel free to accuse me of all sorts by all means, but its really better to do some research yourself on the subject

Care to share... I'm astute but not psychic, how am I to know on what you base your theories?

[bots]

Care to share... I'm astute but not psychic, how am I to know on what you base your theories?

with respect you accused me of being a fascist supporter without having done any research to see if the stats i was referring to were true or false. Do you really think I want the figures to be true? I sincerely hope you can prove me wrong. It's also worth me stating again that support doesn't automatically mean active participation, far from it.

[Kizzy]

You said 'they'... and you now want me to trawl the tinterweb to find another source to corroborate what Britain first are suggesting?
I have accused you of nothing.

[lostalex]

sounds plausible to me.

[bots]

Can you hear yourself agreeing with the fascists?...
It didn't say agree with ISIS, it said are extremists.

You said 'they'... and you now want me to trawl the tinterweb to find another source to corroborate what Britain first are suggesting?
I have accused you of nothing.

you implied i was taking a facist stance

[user104658]

When people believe that bombing the Middle East will stop ISIS in one thread, but also that there are 400 million Muslim Extremists scattered across every country in the world in another thread, and I'm like :shrug:.

Come on guys. Which is it?

[Mystic Mock]

Also don't forget that Britain First is a known anti-islam extremist party, and they're infamous for forging statistics and twisting facts.

This.

I think it's more around 5 to 10% at max, and tbh people should be careful what they download anyway, make sure it's a reputable company first.

[Jay.]

well that's nice isn't it

there's a big 10% gap there though, how can you miscount 160,000 isis people

[user104658]

well that's nice isn't it

there's a big 10% gap there though, how can you miscount 160,000 isis people
That's 160,000,000 actually... :omgno:

[Jay.]

That's 160,000,000 actually... :omgno:

oop thought it said 1.6 million :worry:

[DemolitionRed]

I'm not agreeing with anyone, there are measured statistics on the subject. Supporting ISIS is supporting extremists last time I looked.

Not at all.
There are 32 million Shafi living around the globe. Shafi's are a form of Sunni Muslims who abhor, centralization (something ISIS wants) and could be called extremists against ISIS.

13% of the world's Muslim population are Shia and Shia have been called extremists by the ISIS who are fighting against them. ISIS believes that the Shias are apostates and must die.

There are 7.3 million Bahá'ís around the globe and those in war torn Syria and Iraq consider ISIS to be the infidels of Islam.

And then we have Sufis- Mevlevi- Naqshbandi- Bektashi- Chisti and others which have a lot more in common with Shiism and will therefore fight with the Shia against everything ISIS stands for.

You have to understand that ISIS are not a state representative of Islam before you can understand that a suggestion of 400 million ISIS extremists scattered around the globe have been pulled right out of a magicians hat.

[Northern Monkey]

ISIS might not be the only islamic extremists but that does'nt make the others 'good'.Jabhat al-nusra,Al Qaeda and many 'organisations' in Africa are evil and have many supporters who would mean to do us harm if they got the chance.All these groups have many supporters and followers.

[DemolitionRed]

ISIS might not be the only islamic extremists but that does'nt make the others 'good'.Jabhat al-nusra,Al Qaeda and many 'organisations' in Africa are evil and have many supporters who would mean to do us harm if they got the chance.All these groups have many supporters and followers.

I think Obama and Cameron would disagree provided they are fighting against ISIS.

[bots]

Not at all.
There are 32 million Shafi living around the globe. Shafi's are a form of Sunni Muslims who abhor, centralization (something ISIS wants) and could be called extremists against ISIS.

13% of the world's Muslim population are Shia and Shia have been called extremists by the ISIS who are fighting against them. ISIS believes that the Shias are apostates and must die.

There are 7.3 million Bahá'ís around the globe and those in war torn Syria and Iraq consider ISIS to be the infidels of Islam.

And then we have Sufis- Mevlevi- Naqshbandi- Bektashi- Chisti and others which have a lot more in common with Shiism and will therefore fight with the Shia against everything ISIS stands for.

You have to understand that ISIS are not a state representative of Islam before you can understand that a suggestion of 400 million ISIS extremists scattered around the globe have been pulled right out of a magicians hat.

ISIS is supported by a significant number of muslims across the globe, that is a fact. I don't understand why you would want to fudge the issue or downgrade it.

[Tom4784]

ISIS is supported by a significant number of muslims across the globe, that is a fact. I don't understand why you would want to fudge the issue or downgrade it.

Aren't you doing that by oversimplifying Red's argument to suit your own?

[bots]

Aren't you doing that by oversimplifying Red's argument to suit your own?

No

[Tom4784]

No

Looks that way to me, Red's just explained it all pretty well and you've denied it so you can hold on to your own erroneous view that millions of people support Isis when it's not the case.

[Kizzy]

you implied i was taking a facist stance

No you implied that by saying 'they', and the fact you are agreeing with the numbers as stated by Britain first.
You say that your view is based on independent research, I've looked but can't find anything else that backs that up.

[DemolitionRed]

ISIS is supported by a significant number of muslims across the globe, that is a fact. I don't understand why you would want to fudge the issue or downgrade it.

Fudging: present or deal with (something) in a vague or inadequate way, especially so as to conceal the truth or mislead.

Trying to explain something rather than sticking my head in the sand and believing all Muslims are potentially evil or that all Muslims potentially support ISIS is not 'fudging' anything. Every one of you have the ability to unravel where ISIS came from, who they are and what they represent but from where I'm sitting, some of you prefer to read and pass around anything that supports your blanket anti Islam argument.

[DemolitionRed]

Imagine sitting a Muslim down and explaining that a Catholic is a Christian but doesn't have the same beliefs as the Church of England and although a Spiritualist is still a Christian, they are mocked and ridiculed by other sects of Christianity. They are all Christians but they all disagree with one another.

What many Sunni Muslims support about ISIS is their "Orthodoxy." Wahhabism is the religion of Saudi Arabia, though not all Saudis are Wahhabi. Saudi Arabia is seen by the Sunnis as the purest Muslim Orthodox state and although many different sects of Muslims go on a pilgrimage to Mecca, the Saudi's merely tolerate them but they don't like them, they don't believe in them and they won't celebrate Hajj with them.

Millions of Muslims who follow Islamic doctrines will not support ISIS unless they convert to Wahhabism but that would be like a Catholic converting to the Spiritual church or a Quaker converting to priesthood, it can happen but its not common.

Fortunately most Sunni have no interest in converting to the Wahhabi doctrine, though some will. Sunni are generally not orthodox in their beliefs and have happily moved into modern times without their religion hindering them. Just as most Catholics now believe contraception is a good idea, some will remain glued to the scriptures saying its evil.

[Kizzy]

Imagine sitting a Muslim down and explaining that a Catholic is a Christian but doesn't have the same beliefs as the Church of England and although a Spiritualist is still a Christian, they are mocked and ridiculed by other sects of Christianity. They are all Christians but they all disagree with one another.

What many Sunni Muslims support about ISIS is their "Orthodoxy." Wahhabism is the religion of Saudi Arabia, though not all Saudis are Wahhabi. Saudi Arabia is seen by the Sunnis as the purest Muslim Orthodox state and although many different sects of Muslims go on a pilgrimage to Mecca, the Saudi's merely tolerate them but they don't like them, they don't believe in them and they won't celebrate Hajj with them.

Millions of Muslims who follow Islamic doctrines will not support ISIS unless they convert to Wahhabism but that would be like a Catholic converting to the Spiritual church or a Quaker converting to priesthood, it can happen but its not common.

Fortunately most Sunni have no interest in converting to the Wahhabi doctrine, though some will. Sunni are generally not orthodox in their beliefs and have happily moved into modern times without their religion hindering them. Just as most Catholics now believe contraception is a good idea, some will remain glued to the scriptures saying its evil.

Thankyou for that Red, it's important that organisations and individuals remember not to paint all Muslims black.... no pun intended.

[lostalex]

i don't like the way most people seem to be framing the whole thing as muslims against republicans... if you don't like muslims then you must like the republicans, or if you don't like republicans then you must support muslims...

i hate both.

[Mystic Mock]

i don't like the way most people seem to be framing the whole thing as muslims against republicans... if you don't like muslims then you must like the republicans, or if you don't like republicans then you must support muslims...

i hate both.

You're preaching to the Choir here Lostalex, I totally agree with you both organisations are a disgrace to me with looneys being responsible for so many crimes in the world.

[JoshBB]

i don't like the way most people seem to be framing the whole thing as muslims against republicans... if you don't like muslims then you must like the republicans, or if you don't like republicans then you must support muslims...

i hate both.

You hate an entire 1.6 billion people on the basis of their religion? Is that an actual statement that an actual person sat and took the time to type out?

[lostalex]

You hate an entire 1.6 billion people on the basis of their religion? Is that an actual statement that an actual person sat and took the time to type out?

I hate the ideology, yes.

just like i hate racists because i hate their ideology. but i've met some very racist people that i like very much, and i'm sure there are some very muslim people that i would get along with fine, and i'm sure i could like some of them as individuals.

Some of my best friends have been white skinheads, some of my best friends have been black baptist christians. i despise both of their ideologies, the skinheads for being racists, and the black baptists for being homophobic.

I don't see a conflict with me hating an ideology, but liking an individual who has that ideology.

[JoshBB]

I hate the ideology, yes.

just like i hate racists because i hate their ideology. but i've met some very racist people that i like very much, and i'm sure there are some very muslim people that i would get along with fine, and i'm sure i could like some of them as individuals.

Some of my best friends have been white skinheads, some of my best friends have been black baptist christians. i despise both of their ideologies, the skinheads for being racists, and the black baptists for being homophobic.

I don't see a conflict with me hating an ideology, but liking an individual who has that ideology.

You didn't say you hated the ideology of Islam in that post, you specifically said you hated muslims.

[Northern Monkey]

I do believe alot of people in Middle Eastern countries especially do hold extremist views.However it is not entirely their fault as individuals.They are surrounded by and brought up on these views.If you were to take most of these people away from this enviroment and hang out with them you would find much in common with them and probably have a good laugh.Unfortunatley though this won't happen for the majority of us and them.When these extremist views are left to culminate into an ideology and into the rebelious stage of teenhood and then adulthood and these people live within the confines of this ideology it is often too late.These values are deeply ingrained and very difficult to remove.Even if it is not acted upon these people will live their life with these extreme views and a hatred of any non Muslim.Not because they are intrinsically evil but because of the backwards ideology they had drilled into them.We are all human and in a perfect world we would all live in peace.Unfortunately it is'nt the Jeremy Corbynist perfect world and we are divided by these ideologies.So i do believe a very large proportion of Muslims do hold anti western extreme views.Not because they are inhuman or evil but because of the enviroment they were born into.Some of them are obviously evil but they are the minority who can influence the young,naive and easily lead.

[lostalex]

You didn't say you hated the ideology of Islam in that post, you specifically said you hated muslims.

don't be pedantic, i also said that i hate skinheads and black baptist christians, but i said i like some individuals in those ideologies too. if you can't figure out what i mean, then whatever.

[DemolitionRed]

I think extremism is more a western bred thing, at least regarding potential terrorist attacks on our home turf. Muslim kids that are born here have looked on as the west dropped bombs on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria. They have watched the terrorist atrocities in New York and the more recent ones in Paris and although I believe the majority will of looked on in horror and dismay, some, perhaps many have felt a great sense of not belonging. Can you imagine living in a land where the nationals neither trusted or wanted you here? I can't.

I don't think kids here become radicalised because of religion but because it gives them a sense of belonging. The more we ostracise them, the more likely they will radicalise.

[Northern Monkey]

I think extremism is more a western bred thing, at least regarding potential terrorist attacks on our home turf. Muslim kids that are born here have looked on as the west dropped bombs on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria. They have watched the terrorist atrocities in New York and the more recent ones in Paris and although I believe the majority will of looked on in horror and dismay, some, perhaps many have felt a great sense of not belonging. Can you imagine living in a land where the nationals neither trusted or wanted you here? I can't.

I don't think kids here become radicalised because of religion but because it gives them a sense of belonging. The more we ostracise them, the more likely they will radicalise.This would imply that most extremists live here in the west.Which i don't think is true due to the very large percentage of muslims who hold these views.

[Scarlett.]

90-100% of statistics are pulled out of ones own arse.

[Mystic Mock]

I hate the ideology, yes.

just like i hate racists because i hate their ideology. but i've met some very racist people that i like very much, and i'm sure there are some very muslim people that i would get along with fine, and i'm sure i could like some of them as individuals.

Some of my best friends have been white skinheads, some of my best friends have been black baptist christians. i despise both of their ideologies, the skinheads for being racists, and the black baptists for being homophobic.

I don't see a conflict with me hating an ideology, but liking an individual who has that ideology.

I agree with this, I've had Muslim friends in the past, but I hate their ideology.

[billy123]

I agree with this, I've had Muslim friends in the past, but I hate their ideology.

OOOH you peaked my interest Mock
.
Mock what part of this ideology that a third of the planet hold is it that you profess to hate? Do you hate it or do you just not understand it and just form opinions based on the last thing you read? These "Muslim friends" what was it that made you just cut them out of your life?
Im curious i dont think they existed did they?

[DemolitionRed]

This would imply that most extremists live here in the west.Which i don't think is true due to the very large percentage of muslims who hold these views.

No, what I'm saying is, extremists that could potentially be a threat to us re- future terrorist acts are the ones born and living here and not the ones coming in on boats.

[bots]

No, what I'm saying is, extremists that could potentially be a threat to us re- future terrorist acts are the ones born and living here and not the ones coming in on boats.

That wasn't the case in Paris though, so its not something that can be said with any certainty. Admittedly we have better controls here than they have in France, but the possibility still exists.

[DemolitionRed]

That wasn't the case in Paris though, so its not something that can be said with any certainty. Admittedly we have better controls here than they have in France, but the possibility still exists.

Of all the terrorists in the Paris shootings, only two were from the middle east. The rest were born here in the west.

[bots]

Of all the terrorists in the Paris shootings, only two were from the middle east. The rest were born here in the west.

Yes, but two isn't zero, and they did take an active part in the events in Paris, so there is a threat from incoming immigrants.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes, but two isn't zero, and they did take an active part in the events in Paris, so there is a threat from incoming immigrants.

Yes of course and that's why their identities must be scrutinized but there is far more threat from home grown fundamentalists.

Of all the Syrians who fled Syria, only one (and I say one because Ahmad al-Mohammad was a regular visitor to both Brussels and Paris so was hardly an immigrant) was thought to of come in with the refugees.

These men were born and bred in the West and were radicalised enough to die for their cause.
Salah Abdeslam born and raised in Brussels.
Abdelhamid Abaaoud born and raised in Brussels.
Brahim Abdeslam born and raised in Brussels.
Omar Ismail Mostefai born and raised in Paris.
Samy Amimour born and raised in Paris.
Hasna Aitboulahcen born and raised in Paris.
Jawad Bendaoud born and raised in Paris.
Mohammed Amri born and raised in Brussels
Abraimi Lazez French national born in Belgium.
Ahmad Dahmani born in Belgium.
Foued Mohamed-Aggad born in Morocco raised in Strasbourg.
Bilal Hadfi born and raised in Belgium.

[Vicky.]

I highly doubt it

[Crimson Dynamo]

OOOH you peaked my interest Mock
.
Mock what part of this ideology that a third of the planet hold is it that you profess to hate? Do you hate it or do you just not understand it and just form opinions based on the last thing you read? These "Muslim friends" what was it that made you just cut them out of your life?
Im curious i dont think they existed did they?

you seem to impressed with numbers


you do know that there are quite a lot of thick people on this planet?

[JoshBB]

I agree with this, I've had Muslim friends in the past, but I hate their ideology.

Have you read the Koran though? It's not all "kill the gays" and "enslave the women" you know..

[bots]

Yes of course and that's why their identities must be scrutinized but there is far more threat from home grown fundamentalists.

Of all the Syrians who fled Syria, only one (and I say one because Ahmad al-Mohammad was a regular visitor to both Brussels and Paris so was hardly an immigrant) was thought to of come in with the refugees.

These men were born and bred in the West and were radicalised enough to die for their cause.
Salah Abdeslam born and raised in Brussels.
Abdelhamid Abaaoud born and raised in Brussels.
Brahim Abdeslam born and raised in Brussels.
Omar Ismail Mostefai born and raised in Paris.
Samy Amimour born and raised in Paris.
Hasna Aitboulahcen born and raised in Paris.
Jawad Bendaoud born and raised in Paris.
Mohammed Amri born and raised in Brussels
Abraimi Lazez French national born in Belgium.
Ahmad Dahmani born in Belgium.
Foued Mohamed-Aggad born in Morocco raised in Strasbourg.
Bilal Hadfi born and raised in Belgium.


The problem as I see it is that there will be those that actively support the ISIS cause and are waiting for their chance of martyrdom. There will be those that support ISIS, but would never dream of taking any action. There will be those that action is triggered in them, and the reason for trigger could be anything from radicalisation to someone treating them what they could consider badly or unfairly. There is yet another group with no support for ISIS but just want to be martyrs anyway and will attach themselves to it as that justifies their existence

We are probably aware of many in the first group, so hopefully many of them will get stopped in their tracks, the second group are of no concern, its the last groups that will cause the damage, and those are the difficult ones to detect, whether they are home grown or immigrants.

[Kizzy]

The problem as I see it is that there will be those that actively support the ISIS cause and are waiting for their chance of martyrdom. There will be those that support ISIS, but would never dream of taking any action. There will be those that action is triggered in them, and the reason for trigger could be anything from radicalisation to someone treating them what they could consider badly or unfairly. There is yet another group with no support for ISIS but just want to be martyrs anyway and will attach themselves to it as that justifies their existence

We are probably aware of many in the first group, so hopefully many of them will get stopped in their tracks, the second group are of no concern, its the last groups that will cause the damage, and those are the difficult ones to detect, whether they are home grown or immigrants.

So basically you've ignored the earlier rational explanation of which specific theoretical branch of the Muslim faith correspond with ISIS ideology and go with your own 3 tier explanation encompassing all Muslims? Ok.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have you read the Koran though? It's not all "kill the gays" and "enslave the women" you know..

its full of vile superstitious nonsense

as with any religious book you can easily take a myriad of meanings and methods from it to suit any human agenda

[bots]

So basically you've ignored the earlier rational explanation of which specific theoretical branch of the Muslim faith correspond with ISIS ideology and go with your own 3 tier explanation encompassing all Muslims? Ok.

Given the number of times my points are cast aside with contempt, it seems pretty normal on this particular forum. If its some new rule that i need to address everyones points, then it should apply to all, no?

[Kizzy]

Given the number of times my points are cast aside with contempt, it seems pretty normal on this particular forum. If its some new rule that i need to address everyones points, then it should apply to all, no?

You did address the point... and you cast it aside with contempt describing it as 'fudging'.

[JoshBB]

its full of vile superstitious nonsense

as with any religious book you can easily take a myriad of meanings and methods from it to suit any human agenda

It has some quite repulsive verses, just as the bible and the torah do, but that doesn't mean the entirety of the ideology is bad.. just elements. That's the point I was trying to make.

There are verses referencing to help the weak and vulnerable in all three, which are very much necessary qualities to have in the neoliberal path we're heading down.

[Kizzy]

Thirty per cent of Republicans in a poll said that the national security threat posed by Agrabah, the fictional city in Aladdin, demands a US military intervention.

Let that sink in for a second.

The statistic was found during a survey of 532 Republican primary voters by Public Policy Polling between 16-17 December.

Thirteen per cent of those surveyed said they opposed bombing Agrabah, the city loosely based on Baghdad in the 1993 Disney movie Aladdin, while 57 per cent said they were not sure.

:/

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/30-per-cent-of-republicans-polled-supported-bombing-agrabah-the-fictional-city-in-aladdin--byqyS8_bix

[DemolitionRed]

This was a brilliant experiment with the Quran and the bible.
http://www.upworthy.com/quran-passages-or-bible-verses-people-react-negatively-and-then-learn-the-truth

[Kizzy]

zEnWw_lH4tQ
Cheers for that Red :)

[billy123]

you seem to impressed with numbers


you do know that there are quite a lot of thick people on this planet? Did you mean too? I am well aware of that their are also far too many ignorant racist pricks on this planet as well did you know that?
You started this thread based on numbers from a Britain first website ffs :bored:

[DemolitionRed]

wrong thread