People that claim that Muslims that do bad things aren't Muslims.

[lostalex]

I don't get this new line of thinking some stupid people have that if a Muslim does something bad then they can just say "He;s not a real muslim, because a real muslim wouldn't do that!" sorry, but you don't get to just pretend like Muslims are not Muslims...

It's like if a man rapes a woman, then you say "well he is not a man because real men don't rape women".... no it doesn't work that way...he's still a MAN raping a woman. You don't get to decide who is a man or not. and if he's not a man then what is he??

I don't understand this logic that some people have adopted that you cannot call a spade a spade, an apple an apple, an orange an orange.

[Denver]

These terrorist organisation are not Muslims because they have broken so many rules of the Quran

[lostalex]

These terrorist organisation are not Muslims because they have broken so many rules of the Quran

the Quran says that homosexuals should be put to death, so is every Muslim that doesn't put gays to death also not a Muslim??

Is any Muslim that has eaten pork also not a muslim?

There are so many different laws that anyone could say who is or is not a christian, any jew that touches a light switch on saturdays is not really a jew??

[Headie]

It's like if a man rapes a woman, then you say "well he is not a man because real men don't rape women".... no it doesn't work that way...he's still a MAN raping a woman. You don't get to decide who is a man or not. and if he's not a man then what is he??

But it's completely different though?

The terrorists who claim to be Muslims also claim to be doing the shootings/bombings etc because of their religion and what their religion tells them to do... yet Islam is not about fighting or bombing at all? The real Muslims are the ones not fighting and actually doing what their religion teaches.

[Denver]

the Quran says that homosexuals should be put to death, so is every Muslim that doesn't put gays to death also not a Muslim??

It also says do not start wars and do not hurt Women, Children, Handicapped or Animals.

[Ashley.]

They are muslims.

They're just really ****ing bad at it.

[lostalex]

It also says do not start wars and do not hurt Women, Children, Handicapped or Animals.

so then if a Muslim fought in world war 2 to fight against hitler is he not a true muslim?? because innocent men women and children (and animals) were killed in that fighting?

[Denver]

so then if a Muslim fought in world war 2 to fight against hitler is he not a true muslim?? because innocent men women and children (and animals) were killed in that fighting?

Well Hitler started that war :umm2:

[lostalex]

Well Hitler started that war :umm2:

how does that change the "do not harm women and children" part?

[Denver]

how does that change the "do not harm women and children" part?

Your thinking far too much about this

[lostalex]

The point is, deciding who is or is not a muslim, is the same thing that ISIS does, saying who is or is not a muslim.

Saying YOU get to decide who is a TRUE muslim, is no different than ISIS.

[Jamie89]

To me, the reason behind why people say that, it's more a display of solidarity towards Muslims I think, rather than it being a literal thing. It's simply recognising that terrorists like IS are hiding behind a faith, which in turn a lot of people start attacking (because of the media focus on 'muslim terrorists' etc) when actually their faith has nothing to do with their terrorist acts, so it's just a way of people saying to ordinary muslims that we recognise they are different from the terrorists. I think you're looking into it a bit too much, and nit-picking a bit with some of your points tbh. Like I say, it's not necessarily meant to be a literal thing, but just something to offset all the anti-muslim propaganda that gets thrown about whenever terrorist attacks happen, imo.

[Kizzy]

Muslims to hitler in 7 posts, is that a world record?

[Kyle]

It's essentially the no true Scotsman fallacy.

The Ironic thing is the extremist Muslims will be saying the exact same thing about the more moderates.

Christians are guilty of this too.

[Johnnyuk123]

There is a very simple solution to all of this and that is to ban all religions.
Treat these acts of terror for what it is.. acts of terror. Wipe those terrorists out in the same manner as which they wiped out the many lives of innocent law abiding people.
All religions are bad in my book. This world would be a much better place if it was removed completely from society. Religion is the biggest killer of them all.

[Jamie89]

There is a very simple solution to all of this and that is to ban all religions.
Treat these acts of terror for what it is.. acts of terror. Wipe those terrorists out in the same manner as which they wiped out the many lives of innocent law abiding people.
All religions are bad in my book. This world would be a much better place if it was removed completely from society. Religion is the biggest killer of them all.

I don't think religion is to blame though tbh. It can't be, if you have people of the same religion where some are good and some are bad. Even without religion you'll still have people committing horrific crimes. I think religion is used more as a mask that terrorists hide behind, rather than it being the thing that actually causes people to kill.

[Johnnyuk123]

I don't think religion is to blame though tbh. It can't be, if you have people of the same religion where some are good and some are bad. Even without religion you'll still have people committing horrific crimes. I think religion is used more as a mask that terrorists hide behind, rather than it being the thing that actually causes people to kill.

Hi,
I get the point that your making 100%. But just look around the world at who is killing who and in the name of what. Read any book of faith and you'll find horrendous things asked in order to have faith in whichever god it is. Those books warp peoples minds from a very young age and stop them from being free thinkers and in this day and age we need more free thinkers in the world and not more sheep. :wavey:

[Jamie89]

Hi,
I get the point that your making 100%. But just look around the world at who is killing who and in the name of what. Read any book of faith and you'll find horrendous things asked in order to have faith in whichever god it is. Those books warp peoples minds from a very young age and stop them from being free thinkers and in this day and age we need more free thinkers in the world and not more sheep. :wavey:

Yeah I agree with that in principle, in that there are some awful religious teachings and of course it's hugely influential. But I can't help but think also that if there was no religion in the world, we'd just find a different reason to segregate ourselves from each other and attack each other. Like, all those religious books that you mentioned were written by people, and so if we take religion out of the equation, we still have those same people in society who want to segregate/attack. Surely they'd just end up doing it in the name of something other than religion. Because people like that, religious or not, will always find followers. It's more a question of 'root cause' in my eyes, and I think the real problems lie with us as a people, and religion is more of a facade, that rather than determining who you are/how you will act etc, gets used as the excuse for why people do the things they do.

[Johnnyuk123]

Yeah I agree with that in principle, in that there are some awful religious teachings and of course it's hugely influential. But I can't help but think also that if there was no religion in the world, we'd just find a different reason to segregate ourselves from each other and attack each other. Like, all those religious books that you mentioned were written by people, and so if we take religion out of the equation, we still have those same people in society who want to segregate/attack. Surely they'd just end up doing it in the name of something other than religion. Because people like that, religious or not, will always find followers. It's more a question of 'root cause' in my eyes, and I think the real problems lie with us as a people, and religion is more of a facade, that rather than determining who you are/how you will act etc, gets used as the excuse for why people do the things they do.

Good post!
There are lots of nasty people in the world for sure and many of them not even religious too. People at best are fickle. The fickle ones ruin it for the many decent human beings in the world who just want to live in peace and live their lives in a peaceful loving way. It saddens me to know that these books are allowed knowing just how much hate they encourage in the world. Without them there would still be hate but far less of it i am sure.

[Northern Monkey]

I know it's ridiculous.That must mean that Catholic Peados are'nt really Catholic and the Crusaders were'nt really Christians.

[MTVN]

I sort of agree. You can say that you disagree with their reading of the Quran and their interpretation of Islam but to say they are not Muslims? The most powerful extremist leaders tend to be extremely devout and dedicate their lives to studying their religion: its inconvenient that that has led them to believe in terrible things but it doesn't make it any less true.

I don't say that to beat on Islam: some of the most inspirational and progressive people in the world were/are Muslims who have a completely different understanding of their faith and have studied it just as much. And obviously its worth repeating that the vast majority of Muslims lean more towards this group than the extremists. But I am a Westerner from a Christian country with no understanding of Islam so its not my place to say what the religion is all about. It just shouldn't be surprising that Islam - like Christianity - can mean hundreds of different things to different people and at different times in different places. There is no one true understanding of any religion.

[Kizzy]

That in itself is a revelation in the truest sense of the word.

[kirklancaster]

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land...

"Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews) until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)...

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal.

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

Bukhari (11:626) - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."

Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."


The above are just some of more than 110 verses in the Qran which sanction abduction, extortion and ransom, murder, genocide, beheading, burning alive, and sex slavery - among other atrocities, and it is these passages which the extremist Islamic terrorists seize upon to justify their evil and to convince other Muslims that - far from being evil inhuman monsters - they are carrying out Allah and his prophet Muhammud's will.

The problem is, that some numbers of non-combative 'ordinary' Muslims ARE persuaded, to varying degrees, that these terrorist scum ARE indeed doing Allah's bidding -- whether they admit it, or are even consciously aware of it, or not.

[Kizzy]

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land...

"Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews) until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)...

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal.

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

Bukhari (11:626) - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."

Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."


The above are just some of more than 110 verses in the Qran which sanction abduction, extortion and ransom, murder, genocide, beheading, burning alive, and sex slavery - among other atrocities, and it is these passages which the extremist Islamic terrorists seize upon to justify their evil and to convince other Muslims that - far from being evil inhuman monsters - they are carrying out Allah and his prophet Muhammud's will.

The problem is, that some numbers of non-combative 'ordinary' Muslims ARE persuaded, to varying degrees, that these terrorist scum ARE indeed doing Allah's bidding -- whether they admit it, or are even consciously aware of it, or not.

That's pure conjecture, the questionable Quran/Bible references discussion is raised in all threads relating to religion.
There is more to jihadism than fundamentalism.

[bots]

That's pure conjecture, the questionable Quran/Bible references discussion is raised in all threads relating to religion.
There is more to jihadism than fundamentalism.

I believe what Kirk was meaning is that lines become blurred giving the extremists a degree of acceptability, so its not really conjecture at all.

[kirklancaster]

I believe what Kirk was meaning is that lines become blurred giving the extremists a degree of acceptability, so its not really conjecture at all.

Thank you BOTS.

[kirklancaster]

That's pure conjecture, the questionable Quran/Bible references discussion is raised in all threads relating to religion.
There is more to jihadism than fundamentalism.


Your knowledge of this particular emboldened point is then, far more authorative than the results of a number of recent surveys which show that ISIS and other Islamic Extrememist Terrorist organisations DO HAVE varying degrees of sympathy and support amongst a number of 'ordinary' Muslims?

Secondly, I do not understand what you mean by: "the questionable Quran/Bible references discussion is raised in all threads relating to religion" So perhaps you would like to elaborate?

Lastly, perhaps you would also expound on what you mean by; "There is more to jihadism than fundamentalism." because, this too, I do not understand.

[Tom4784]

The issue that this thread highlights is that people instantly associate terrorism with Islam which forces it's practitioners to defend themselves despite the fact that, in America in particularly, you are more likely to die in a terror attack from a Christian then you are from a Muslim. The only difference is that the media never classes the numerous shootings as terror attacks despite the fact that they are no different.

To most Christians, their religion is about love and peace and it's the same for the vast majority of Muslims. To make either party fully responsible for the acts of extremists is foolish.

[Kizzy]

Your knowledge of this particular emboldened point is then, far more authorative than the results of a number of recent surveys which show that ISIS and other Islamic Extrememist Terrorist organisations DO HAVE varying degrees of sympathy and support amongst a number of 'ordinary' Muslims?

Secondly, I do not understand what you mean by: "the questionable Quran/Bible references discussion is raised in all threads relating to religion" So perhaps you would like to elaborate?

Lastly, perhaps you would also expound on what you mean by; "There is more to jihadism than fundamentalism." because, this too, I do not understand.

A survey of all Muslims? No, I'm not aware of that. I have a vague recollection of one mentioned in a thread recently, but that means nothing as many wild and unsubstantiated claims are made regularly.

There are in many religious texts inciteful or hateful references, this has been quoted and referenced across many threads with religion as a discussion topic.

I'm suggesting jihadism is the perfect storm of religious and political extremism.

[Livia]

All religions have their extremists and those extremists are usually violent, sometimes to the point of terrorism. It's just that the Muslim extremists are the ones making the most noise right now.

[Northern Monkey]

These terrorists are usually very devout muslims so it is silly to suggest that they are not muslims.They are just the dark side of Islam.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As Kyle states its the True Scotsman fallacy

But look, if you have cult and its based on lies and made up mythical figures you will get people who work out that they can do things with impunity and say god will be happy with them.

You even get normal religionists saying "god told me to do this and he said this to me"

Of course extremists are religionists just as much as the ones who dont kill people


problem with islam is that its unreformed and particularly nasty

[Kizzy]

As Kyle states its the True Scotsman fallacy

But look, if you have cult and its based on lies and made up mythical figures you will get people who work out that they can do things with impunity and say god will be happy with them.

You even get normal religionists saying "god told me to do this and he said this to me"

Of course extremists are religionists just as much as the ones who dont kill people


problem with islam is that its unreformed and particularly nasty

The problem with atheists is they're all theologians :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The problem with atheists is they're all theologians :hehe:

you can be atheist and have knowledge of religions

:smug:

[user104658]

The problem with atheists is they're all theologians :hehe:

Atheists surely make the best theologians (in terms of sociology), as anyone who is actually subscribed to one religion is going to be, undoubtedly, biased...

I suppose from a spiritual point of view rather than sociological, the best theologians would be agnostics?

Hmmm.


Anyway, I've fixed the thread title to reflect the only thing that really matters:

http://i67.tinypic.com/zukun8.jpg

[kirklancaster]

A survey of all Muslims? No, I'm not aware of that. I have a vague recollection of one mentioned in a thread recently, but that means nothing as many wild and unsubstantiated claims are made regularly.

There are in many religious texts inciteful or hateful references, this has been quoted and referenced across many threads with religion as a discussion topic.

I'm suggesting jihadism is the perfect storm of religious and political extremism.

Will you PLEASE stop misrepresenting what I write, because NOWHERE did I say that such surveys were of "all Muslims" - I distinctly said; " Your knowledge of this particular emboldened point is then, far more authorative than the results of a number of recent surveys which show that ISIS and other Islamic Extrememist Terrorist organisations DO HAVE varying degrees of sympathy and support amongst a number of 'ordinary' Muslims? "

I am also aware, that there are "many inciteful or hateful references" in many religious texts, and that this fact has been explored in other threads, but you must be also aware - having debated on such threads with me - that Old Testament violence is 'closed-ended' violence which is era specific, ie; no idiotic Jewish extremists can claim to be following Old Testament Scripture by going out and slaying 'Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites' -- chiefly because no such peoples still exist.

The passages of violence in the Qran however, though historical, are 'open-ended' and are still capabable of being seized upon today by Islamic Terrorists to try to justify their evil acts as being the 'Will of Allah'.

Now we KNOW and the huge majority of peace-loving moderate Muslims KNOW, that the terrorists are NOT religious, though Muslim by name, and that their evil campaign has NOTHING to do with Allah.

The above being true, the actions of ISIS or any other Islamic Extremist Terrorist organisation cannot be any 'Perfect Storm' of religious and political extremism, and to credit them with the 'Religious' part, is doing a great injustice to TRUE Muslims.

In my opinion.

[kirklancaster]

Atheists surely make the best theologians (in terms of sociology), as anyone who is actually subscribed to one religion is going to be, undoubtedly, biased...

I suppose from a spiritual point of view rather than sociological, the best theologians would be agnostics?

Hmmm.


Anyway, I've fixed the thread title to reflect the only thing that really matters:

http://i67.tinypic.com/zukun8.jpg


:laugh::laugh::laugh: There is NO answer to that T.S.

[Crimson Dynamo]

r018ohLUuL4

you start with a cult and say if you leave you must die and its easy to see why extreme views start to occur

[Kizzy]

Will you PLEASE stop misrepresenting what I write, because NOWHERE did I say that such surveys were of "all Muslims" - I distinctly said; " Your knowledge of this particular emboldened point is then, far more authorative than the results of a number of recent surveys which show that ISIS and other Islamic Extrememist Terrorist organisations DO HAVE varying degrees of sympathy and support amongst a number of 'ordinary' Muslims? "

Then don't be so vague, how many surveys? how many were surveyed? What constitutes an 'ordinary Muslim'?

I am also aware, that there are "many inciteful or hateful references" in many religious texts, and that this fact has been explored in other threads, but you must be also aware - having debated on such threads with me - that Old Testament violence is 'closed-ended' violence which is era specific, ie; no idiotic Jewish extremists can claim to be following Old Testament Scripture by going out and slaying 'Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites' -- chiefly because no such peoples still exist.

The passages of violence in the Qran however, though historical, are 'open-ended' and are still capabable of being seized upon today by Islamic Terrorists to try to justify their evil acts as being the 'Will of Allah'.

Any fundamentalist could at any point seize upon any scripture, none are closed ended as they are open to interpretation imo.

Now we KNOW and the huge majority of peace-loving moderate Muslims KNOW, that the terrorists are NOT religious, though Muslim by name, and that their evil campaign has NOTHING to do with Allah.

The above being true, the actions of ISIS or any other Islamic Extremist Terrorist organisation cannot be any 'Perfect Storm' of religious and political extremism, and to credit them with the 'Religious' part, is doing a great injustice to TRUE Muslims.

In my opinion.

It is,that is the issue isn't it? and the reason why Muslims are facing the injustice of being aligned with extremists.

( sorry for the look of the post but seemed the easiest way to answer the individual points)

[Johnnyuk123]

r018ohLUuL4

you start with a cult and say if you leave you must die and its easy to see why extreme views start to occur

100 % :clap1::clap1::clap1:
Well said LT.

[Ammi]

I sort of agree. You can say that you disagree with their reading of the Quran and their interpretation of Islam but to say they are not Muslims? The most powerful extremist leaders tend to be extremely devout and dedicate their lives to studying their religion: its inconvenient that that has led them to believe in terrible things but it doesn't make it any less true.

I don't say that to beat on Islam: some of the most inspirational and progressive people in the world were/are Muslims who have a completely different understanding of their faith and have studied it just as much. And obviously its worth repeating that the vast majority of Muslims lean more towards this group than the extremists. But I am a Westerner from a Christian country with no understanding of Islam so its not my place to say what the religion is all about. It just shouldn't be surprising that Islam - like Christianity - can mean hundreds of different things to different people and at different times in different places. There is no one true understanding of any religion.

..this is completely true, we all interpret differently and take differently depending on the people we are and depending on times and places etc...someone who could be radicalised, may be susceptible to that at one time and one place in their lives but not necessarily at another time or place...I found this quite interesting actually because it is the voice of a Muslim, only one voice I know and only one take and opinion but interesting to the thread because he is seeing those 'different Islams' and worried about which could be being taught to his children...

An emotional call from a Muslim father rendered Katie Hopkins speechless during a radio phone-in.

The man, named only as Ali, called into Hopkins' LBC programme during a debate about radicalisation in Britain's Muslim community.

He spoke of the need for integration between non-Muslims and those of Islamic faith, before complimenting the Mail Online writer by telling her he felt more comfortable speaking with her than some members of his own community.

During a segment devoted to the news that some Muslim community leaders have refused to take part in the government's Prevent anti-radicalisation programme, Hopkins asked: "Ali, what's your argument?"

He said: "We should keep (suspected radical Islamists) in the UK but increase their scrutiny.

"I remember growing up we did not have all these segregated communities which we have now.

"The Muslim community became more and more radicalised. Why did that occur? Because we did not monitor who was coming into the mosques."

"I am a Muslim but I do not go to the mosque on a regular basis," Ali said, "I would be scared to send my kids to the mosque because no one knows what they're going to do to them there.

"I don't know what they're listening to.

"It's about time for Muslims to realise there is a problem in the Muslim community... I'm a proud Muslim, I'm a practicing Muslim, when you're going into the mainstream people don't say for fear of offending somebody."

Hopkins responded: "Ali I'm really struck by this... you're more confident speaking to somebody like me or someone else on the radio about how you feel than you would approaching someone within the Muslim community because you don't quite know which part they come from now?"

"I don't who they are and I don't know what their views are."






http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/27/katie-hopkins-lbc-radio-phone-in-muslim-man-criticising-local-mosques_n_8881382.html

[kirklancaster]

..this is completely true, we all interpret differently and take differently depending on the people we are and depending on times and places etc...someone who could be radicalised, may be susceptible to that at one time and one place in their lives but not necessarily at another time or place...I found this quite interesting actually because it is the voice of a Muslim, only one voice I know and only one take and opinion but interesting to the thread because he is seeing those 'different Islams' and worried about which could be being taught to his children...

An emotional call from a Muslim father rendered Katie Hopkins speechless during a radio phone-in.

The man, named only as Ali, called into Hopkins' LBC programme during a debate about radicalisation in Britain's Muslim community.

He spoke of the need for integration between non-Muslims and those of Islamic faith, before complimenting the Mail Online writer by telling her he felt more comfortable speaking with her than some members of his own community.

During a segment devoted to the news that some Muslim community leaders have refused to take part in the government's Prevent anti-radicalisation programme, Hopkins asked: "Ali, what's your argument?"

He said: "We should keep (suspected radical Islamists) in the UK but increase their scrutiny.

"I remember growing up we did not have all these segregated communities which we have now.

"The Muslim community became more and more radicalised. Why did that occur? Because we did not monitor who was coming into the mosques."

"I am a Muslim but I do not go to the mosque on a regular basis," Ali said, "I would be scared to send my kids to the mosque because no one knows what they're going to do to them there.

"I don't know what they're listening to.

"It's about time for Muslims to realise there is a problem in the Muslim community... I'm a proud Muslim, I'm a practicing Muslim, when you're going into the mainstream people don't say for fear of offending somebody."

Hopkins responded: "Ali I'm really struck by this... you're more confident speaking to somebody like me or someone else on the radio about how you feel than you would approaching someone within the Muslim community because you don't quite know which part they come from now?"

"I don't who they are and I don't know what their views are."






http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/27/katie-hopkins-lbc-radio-phone-in-muslim-man-criticising-local-mosques_n_8881382.html

What a very enlightening post. My applause to Ali.