I want to remove all Homeless from the Street

[arista]

Because some of them are Scams,


Some people have homes
but are sleeping on the Street
and Making Big Money.
The Ones with a Dog
makes the most.

Now we need to make it illegal to sleep
on English Streets.
Now that will not include a Piss Head
who could not get home/




Again this its Very Radical
Once its English Law
No European Power can stop us,
simply because we will have
Old Army Sheds being used to help them.


Now some on medication
and have slipped off the Grid
once we find out the Honest Truth
they will go to another old Army shed.


Of Course anyone under our care
they can say Feck You, I am Off.
they can leave,
but if they go back to sleeping on the street
we know them.
So those Crazy ones
may not take there meds
we may send those to a Island
under UK Army Control,
again they are free to leave
when the next boat arrives.


Arista Fair Politics


Feel The Force

[Crimson Dynamo]

:clap1:

sound common sense

[arista]

:clap1:

sound common sense


Thank You LT

[Jamie89]

A lot of homeless people don't beg, and a lot of beggers aren't homeless, there are scammers this is true, is this the reason you want to remove homeless people from the street? It's not going to happen anyway, if they don't have a home, where other than the street are they going to live? And if you want to put all the police on the streets at night looking for homeless people to make sure there aren't any (instead of doing police work) then they'll just go to airports etc to sleep. How about looking into solving the causes of homelessness instead?

[Denver]

I have beggers around me who claim to be homeless yet they are clean shaven and have different clothes on each day and the newest trainors

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.mikeashworth.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/anti-homeless-spikes-studs-labour-party.png

[Jamie89]

I have beggers around me who claim to be homeless yet they are clean shaven and have different clothes on each day and the newest trainors

Yeah I agree, that something needs to be done about begging because like I say, most beggers aren't actually homeless. Homelessness and begging are two separate problems, but they get lumped together as one which doesn't help either situation. In fact doing this, just allows begging scams to grow.

[Smithy]

you gonna put them all up in your house then arista?

[GiRTh]

you gonna put them all up in your house then arista?
Good question. Where you gonna put them Arista?

[arista]

A lot of homeless people don't beg, and a lot of beggers aren't homeless, there are scammers this is true, is this the reason you want to remove homeless people from the street? It's not going to happen anyway, if they don't have a home, where other than the street are they going to live? And if you want to put all the police on the streets at night looking for homeless people to make sure there aren't any (instead of doing police work) then they'll just go to airports etc to sleep. How about looking into solving the causes of homelessness instead?


OK You claim some do not Beg
Why the Feck are telling me?


Do you not understand a New Law can be passed
You need think better

Be More Positive

[arista]

you gonna put them all up in your house then arista?

Please go back
and read the Whole First post
like LT did.

If you can not fit it in,


I will catch you later

[Smithy]

so we lock them in sheds or deport them to an island?

isn't that what we did with criminals and how australia was colonised? :think:

[arista]

Good question. Where you gonna put them Arista?


Please go back
and read the Whole First post
like LT did.

If you can not fit it in,


I will catch you later

[arista]

so we lock them in sheds or deport them to an island?

isn't that what we did with criminals and how australia was colonised? :think:


No one is locked in a Old Army Shed
Again if you can not be Bothered to read it all


Then Are Wasting my Time
With respect

[GiRTh]

Please go back
and read the Whole First post
like LT did.

If you can not fit it in,


I will catch you later:joker:

Which Army base you gonnna use? Which Island you gonna send them to? Its very Donald Trump to think just because you've had some crazy plan it could ever possibly happen. Please elaborate on your first post and tell us how you're gonna round them up, who's gonna round them up, where are you gonna keep them, till you find an Army base etc. Your proposal brings up more questions than answers.

And as for this....



Now some on medication
and have slipped off the Grid
once we find out the Honest Truth
they will go to another old Army shed.


Of Course anyone under our care
they can say Feck You, I am Off.
they can leave,
but if they go back to sleeping on the street
we know them.
So those Crazy ones
may not take there meds
we may send those to a Island
under UK Army Control,
again they are free to leave
when the next boat arrives.



Just wow!!!!!! :facepalm:

[arista]

I have beggers around me who claim to be homeless yet they are clean shaven and have different clothes on each day and the newest trainors


Yes they may be the Scammers.


Of Course Once Our Law takes effect
they may have moved to another nation to scam
Ireland can have them , for example

[Jamie89]

OK You claim some do not Beg
Why the Feck are telling me?

Erm, because it's relevant to the thread :huh:

Do you not understand a New Law can be passed
You need think better

Yes, maybe if I 'think better' I'll understand what on earth you're talking about.

[arista]

"Which Army base you gonna use? Which Island you gonna send them to?"

Thank you Girth for reading it in Full.

The Army sheds are no longer in use
so they are not on your grid, so to speak.


The Islands we are using
are not being put online yet,


Now its no good you keep posting saying "is it this one"


I have stated our Island Locations are not going online at
this time.

[arista]

[Erm, because it's relevant to the thread



Yes, maybe if I 'think better' I'll understand what on earth you're talking about]



OK Jamie89
if you want to use my post to reply
you can not remove a line.


So I tell you again

"Be More Positive"

[Smithy]

guantanimo bay teas

[Jamie89]

[Erm, because it's relevant to the thread



Yes, maybe if I 'think better' I'll understand what on earth you're talking about]



OK Jamie89
if you want to use my post to reply
you can not remove a line.


So I tell you again

"Be More Positive"

I am positively confused by EVERYTHING you're trying to say in this thread :joker:

[arista]

guantanimo bay teas


No Thats now Being Closed
just before the Lame Duck President
buggers off

[arista]

I am positively confused by EVERYTHING you're trying to say in this thread :joker:


That is Very good to Hear

[Crimson Dynamo]

We could do deal with Ireland and use their empty spaces

[arista]

We could do deal with Ireland and use their empty spaces


No we do not need them.



Ministry Of Defense Property
is all over England

[Ammi]

..it's human nature I think, that when there is a problem that doesn't seem solvabable or seems very difficult to solve, that it would be preferable for it to just go away and not be there...of course that doesn't actually achieve anything though does it, it just 'hide it from plain site' so we don't have to address it...homeless people are less a problem themselves and more people who have problems that have caused them to be in that situation in the first place..we can ship them away and hide them and the next day, there will be more because there will always be people with problems and some who feel that homelessness is their only choice in life...maybe they have left a home where they have been abused..?..maybe they've been failed dreadfully by a system that just doesn't work for everyone, those with mental illnesses etc...so ship them away and there will be more and ship them away and there will be more and ship them away and there will be more..island upon island upon island of the abandoned and failed, those difficult and inconvenient problems in life...or focus at looking at their problems and the reasons why they are homeless and some possible solutions for those and maybe, they would start to become less and not more and more...that would be a positive, abandoning them to an island where we don't have to think about them, where they 'don't become our problem anymore', would not...societies need to help people with problems, not send them away ...any one of our families/friends could become homeless at any point in time in their lives...

[Jamie89]

..it's human nature I think, that when there is a problem that doesn't seem solvabable or seems very difficult to solve, that it would be preferable for it to just go away and not be there...of course that doesn't actually achieve anything though does it, it just 'hide it from plain site' so we don't have to address it...homeless people are less a problem themselves and more people who have problems that have caused them to be in that situation in the first place..we can ship them away and hide them and the next day, there will be more because there will always be people with problems and some who feel that homelessness is their only choice in life...maybe they have left a home where they have been abused..?..maybe they've been failed dreadfully by a system that just doesn't work for everyone, those with mental illnesses etc...so ship them away and there will be more and ship them away and there will be more and ship them away and there will be more..island upon island upon island of the abandoned and failed, those difficult and inconvenient problems in life...or focus at looking at their problems and the reasons why they are homeless and some possible solutions for those and maybe, they would start to become less and not more and more...that would be a positive, abandoning them to an island where we don't have to think about them, where they 'don't become our problem anymore', would not...societies need to help people with problems, not send them away ...any one of our families/friends could become homeless at any point in time in their lives...

:clap1:

sound common sense

(Just reminding you what common sense is LT)

Well put Ammi

[arista]

".maybe they've been failed dreadfully by a system that just doesn't work for everyone, "


Bang on Right Ammi
thats why if you read my Full post
its all covered.

[Crimson Dynamo]

..it's human nature I think, that when there is a problem that doesn't seem solvabable or seems very difficult to solve, that it would be preferable for it to just go away and not be there...of course that doesn't actually achieve anything though does it, it just 'hide it from plain site' so we don't have to address it...homeless people are less a problem themselves and more people who have problems that have caused them to be in that situation in the first place..we can ship them away and hide them and the next day, there will be more because there will always be people with problems and some who feel that homelessness is their only choice in life...maybe they have left a home where they have been abused..?..maybe they've been failed dreadfully by a system that just doesn't work for everyone, those with mental illnesses etc...so ship them away and there will be more and ship them away and there will be more and ship them away and there will be more..island upon island upon island of the abandoned and failed, those difficult and inconvenient problems in life...or focus at looking at their problems and the reasons why they are homeless and some possible solutions for those and maybe, they would start to become less and not more and more...that would be a positive, abandoning them to an island where we don't have to think about them, where they 'don't become our problem anymore', would not...societies need to help people with problems, not send them away ...any one of our families/friends could become homeless at any point in time in their lives...

Arista is offering a solution

we know the problem already


This is a solution - too many times we hold out hands up and say "this is the problem"

great

but identifying problems is easy

solutions are not that is why they are hard

[arista]

Arista is offering a solution

we know the problem already


This is a solution - too many times we hold out hands up and say "this is the problem"

great

but identifying problems is easy

solutions are not that is why they are hard


Females may view Radical New Laws
in another way LT.


I Respect Ammi.

But she needs to read the thread in full.
thats all I ask.

[JoshBB]

Yeah I want to remove all homeless people from the streets too,

by housing them. by giving them what they need. Nobody chooses to be homeless.

[Vicky.]

If I ever found myself homeless I think I would like a law that makes it illegal tbh. Then I would be housed up in prison with my 3 meals a day and stuff rather than sleeping rough.

How the tax payer would fund all of these extra prisoners though, I don't know

[arista]

If I ever found myself homeless I think I would like a law that makes it illegal tbh. Then I would be housed up in prison with my 3 meals a day and stuff rather than sleeping rough.

How the tax payer would fund all of these extra prisoners though, I don't know


No Vicky you would be on the staff canteen at the old army base sheds

We may let you sing for them
with a Worldwide Live Band
Arista Stream


Vicky Is Strong
Watch yourself Punks

[arista]

New Prisons will
be Made
but not based in the UK.


So Vickys Sly Option is more hard


It will also be 2 and a half meals a day

[arista]

Yeah I want to remove all homeless people from the streets too,

by housing them. by giving them what they need. Nobody chooses to be homeless.


Josh
we will be housing them
at our old army base sheds.

Life Is Tough

[Mitchell]

I keep seeing beggars on the train putting a packet of tissues on the seat next to me

[joeysteele]

..it's human nature I think, that when there is a problem that doesn't seem solvabable or seems very difficult to solve, that it would be preferable for it to just go away and not be there...of course that doesn't actually achieve anything though does it, it just 'hide it from plain site' so we don't have to address it...homeless people are less a problem themselves and more people who have problems that have caused them to be in that situation in the first place..we can ship them away and hide them and the next day, there will be more because there will always be people with problems and some who feel that homelessness is their only choice in life...maybe they have left a home where they have been abused..?..maybe they've been failed dreadfully by a system that just doesn't work for everyone, those with mental illnesses etc...so ship them away and there will be more and ship them away and there will be more and ship them away and there will be more..island upon island upon island of the abandoned and failed, those difficult and inconvenient problems in life...or focus at looking at their problems and the reasons why they are homeless and some possible solutions for those and maybe, they would start to become less and not more and more...that would be a positive, abandoning them to an island where we don't have to think about them, where they 'don't become our problem anymore', would not...societies need to help people with problems, not send them away ...any one of our families/friends could become homeless at any point in time in their lives...

Absolutely right, a perfect and compassionately balanced post as to the issue thank goodness.

The only things I would want to push for is for Church leaders to stop preaching about the obscenity of homelessness while locking their doors day after day,wherein parts of the Church could help shelter some genuinely homeless individuals.
Also, the obscene empty buildings of former businesses lying left empty for months and years and even decades, that could be put to some use as to helping as halfway houses for the homeless too.

The main atrocious fact of all is that in 21st century Britain that there are any homeless and people with deep rooted problems as to being homeless too, at all across the UK.

[arista]

{Also, the obscene empty buildings of former businesses lying left empty for months and years and even decades}

Yes thats the way its been.
no Leader has Ever changed that.

Homeless need help
Our Old Army Sheds
have staff and medical staff
which is better than "your" entering a unsafe building.


Ammi talks sense in "yesterdays" Life
But Everything is Changing
Evolution will not be stopped Joey.

[joeysteele]

{Also, the obscene empty buildings of former businesses lying left empty for months and years and even decades}

Yes thats the way its been.
no Leader has Ever changed that.

Homeless need help
Our Old Army Sheds
have staff and medical staff
which is better than "your" entering a unsafe building.


Ammi talks sense in "yesterdays" Life
But Everything is Changing
Evolution will not be stopped Joey.


I am aware as much, if not more as anyone that Ammi talks sense.

No one said and I certainly did not that the homeless should just be rammed into an empty building with no support.

As to evolution things evolving I have found are usually a means to do things for less and less well, a lot of the time.

Buildings for instance where a business has just folded is far from being unsafe since only a matter of weeks before it would have had staff in it.
There are good numbers of people, volunteers and others who get heavily involved in the plight of the homeless, who understand their needs far more than some 'evolved' plan.
They would assist in the running and seeing to the needs of the homeless in such places.

It can take ages to build up trust between a supporter/helper of the homeless and the homeless individual.
Care, compassion and understanding is what is needed and yes shelter too, shelter that can hopefully be used to be a stepping stone between the streets and a permanent home for anyone found to be genuinely homeless.

Evolution doesn't need to be any part of the process,that is just a word that has negative as well as positive possibilities depending on who instigates the evolution of ideas.
What is really needed is not badly planned schemes but just basic humanistic understanding and compassion and genuine support for people who are homeless by those who,more to the point, 'really' want to help and support them too.

[arista]

Yes Joey
all very Good.

But empty Propertys Belong to people
No PM has changed a thing.

Yes it can take ages
thats why our old army sheds
are better as we can fund
better sensible , direction.
may not work with all of them
but we have a back plan for that.


you talk of dreams
R. Brand style dreams

We talk of Action.

[joeysteele]

Yes Joey
all very Good.

But empty Propertys Belong to people
No PM has changed a thing.

Yes it can take ages
thats why our old army sheds
are better as we can fund
better sensible , direction.
may not work with all of them
but we have a back plan for that.


you talk of dreams
R. Brand style dreams

We talk of Action.



As you say no govt has done much as to action as to the homeless other than demonise them and see homelessness.

There are many forms of action that can be taken, not just yours,firstly it is all very well to say use old army sheds but where are they and who will be there to support and see to the needs to the homeless occupants.

Where are these sheds, well away from towns, some of them for sure will be,so is this just action to clear the homeless away from streets and city centres and maybe less to do with caring for them and seeing to their needs.

Any action that will genuinely be meant to help, support and build up the homeless rather than bring them down is welcome,however just shifting the problem out of Cities,as this appears to be, and as far out of sight as possible, may not be in any way the right answer.

Smells more to me of, 'get them out of sight, then they will be out of others minds', to me.

[BlankSpace]

If you come here to Cardiff (like many other parts of the country) there are so many homeless people occupying doorways, and most of them have dogs with sweaters and usually have sleeping bags and blankets. I'm tempted sometimes to give them some money, but what if it's a scammer, somebody who tries to act homeless just to squeeze a bit more money out? That's my honest opinion on it all

[arista]

[`Smells more to me of, 'get them out of sight, then they will be out of others minds', to me. ]

Yes Joey it looks that way.

But under our new plans

Day 1 : Army Sheds
Ch4HD news, Radio4 , SkyNewsHD invited in .

Day 2: Army Sheds
BBC1 Breakfast, LBC radio, Manchester News invited in.

Day 3 : Army Sheds
GMBHD , ITN, Radio 5, Glasgow News invited in.

Day 4 : Army Sheds
BBC2HD Newsnight , ITVHD Tonight, France 24 invited in

Day 5 :
CNN America, CCTV China, Bloomberg invited in

Day 6
FoxNewsHD, CNC World ,NDTVTV 24x7 invited in

Day 7
Arise News, RTHD, Al Jazeera, NHKWorld HD, EuroNews
CNBC and CBS NewsHD all invited in.




Evolution Will Not Be Stopped

[arista]

If you come here to Cardiff (like many other parts of the country) there are so many homeless people occupying doorways, and most of them have dogs with sweaters and usually have sleeping bags and blankets. I'm tempted sometimes to give them some money, but what if it's a scammer, somebody who tries to act homeless just to squeeze a bit more money out? That's my honest opinion on it all


You Are Most Wise B.S.

[Ammi]

Yes Joey
all very Good.

But empty Propertys Belong to people
No PM has changed a thing.

Yes it can take ages
thats why our old army sheds
are better as we can fund
better sensible , direction.
may not work with all of them
but we have a back plan for that.


you talk of dreams
R. Brand style dreams

We talk of Action.

...not really, it's not a reality until/unless it becomes a reality...until then, it's just a dream also....

[arista]

...not really, it's not a reality until/unless it becomes a reality...until then, it's just a dream also....



Bang On Right Ammi


Thats why New Laws Brought will leave Joey behind , sadly.

Evolution Will Not Be Stopped

[joeysteele]

Bang On Right Ammi


Thats why New Laws Brought will leave Joey behind , sadly.

Evolution Will Not Be Stopped

:joker::joker: Joey won't be left behind at all, I would support any genuine effort to really help and support properly the needs of homeless people.

All past actions by all govts have really amounted to little and nothing and often policies have made the situation far worse.

Evolution can be good and bad, I wouldn't put that much faith in things really being described as evolutionary until there are guaranteed successes as to it.
I don't really see this with these proposals but of course I would support any move that also however includes the right help and, more to the point the right people, helping the homeless in any proposal too.

The only people on this issue coming from way behind are politicians and indeed the likes of Church leaders and local authorities,who for decades have payed lip service to the problem of homelessness and done nothing in any way positive and certainly not evolutionary.
Opening up a few old army sheds,may be a step to something better but I hold back from saying it will be, it is hardly evolutionary at all however.

Also lets see the care package planned, that is 'if' there are any care elements to this proposal,which I will doubt further as this present govt. is cutting care left right and centre for all who need it anyway.

My view is, I view this with caution, I'm not falling behind at all as you inappropriately describe me,because until I see a good strong idea that takes into account the 'actual' views and needs of the homeless themselves,with in addition the right care and help and support for them too,by the right people, then it will be only at that time I wholeheartedly look with any real optimism that there is a genuine concern on compassionate grounds in what is done in the future.

[arista]

"I would support any genuine effort to really help and support properly the needs of homeless people."

Thats good to hear

[Kizzy]

:joker::joker: Joey won't be left behind at all, I would support any genuine effort to really help and support properly the needs of homeless people.

All past actions by all govts have really amounted to little and nothing and often policies have made the situation far worse.

Evolution can be good and bad, I wouldn't put that much faith in things really being described as evolutionary until there are guaranteed successes as to it.
I don't really see this with these proposals but of course I would support any move that also however includes the right help and, more to the point the right people, helping the homeless in any proposal too.

The only people on this issue coming from way behind are politicians and indeed the likes of Church leaders and local authorities,who for decades have payed lip service to the problem of homelessness and done nothing in any way positive and certainly not evolutionary.
Opening up a few old army sheds,may be a step to something better but I hold back from saying it will be, it is hardly evolutionary at all however.

Also lets see the care package planned, that is 'if' there are any care elements to this proposal,which I will doubt further as this present govt. is cutting care left right and centre for all who need it anyway.

My view is, I view this with caution, I'm not falling behind at all as you inappropriately describe me,because until I see a good strong idea that takes into account the 'actual' views and needs of the homeless themselves,with in addition the right care and help and support for them too,by the right people, then it will be only at that time I wholeheartedly look with any real optimism that there is a genuine concern on compassionate grounds in what is done in the future.

Great post Joey, you are better placed than anyone to aid, influence and challenge to achieve balance in society. A hand up is the pro active than a boot to the face which is what many theoretically are receiving at the moment with cuts to welfare and services, even the third sector are tied as funding is stripped back or stopped.
Historically the conservatives believed in a sink or swim attitude to certain sub groups, I believe they are beginning to instill this laissez faire attitudinal shift into wider society to prevent communities from aiding anyone without the ways or means of supporting themselves.
It's not so much evolutionary but a definitive regression for a civilised society to ignore, exclude or marginalise an ever expanding range.

[jennyjuniper]

Tell the obvious scammers to 'f... off' and give to organisations like the Salvation Army and local soup kitchens, who help those who really need the help.

[arista]

Tell the obvious scammers to 'f... off' and give to organisations like the Salvation Army and local soup kitchens, who help those who really need the help.


No its to complex now


all Homeless off English Streets
it will go on Worldwide TV
we have big backers
And many , many Old Army Sheds
that will be done up in 24 hours
Its going to have Army Help.


This is Worlds Greatest Nation
and homeless are not going on our English streets.


Evolution Will Not Be Stopped

[bots]

No its to complex now


all Homeless off English Streets
it will go on Worldwide TV
we have big backers
And many , many Old Army Sheds
that will be done up in 24 hours
Its going to have Army Help.


This is Worlds Greatest Nation
and homeless are not going on our English streets.


Evolution Will Not Be Stopped

This makes it appear that its going to be a reality when it is nothing more than a figment of the Arista imagination.

[arista]

This makes it appear that its going to be a reality when it is nothing more than a figment of the Arista imagination.



People want there
Communities back.
Its a 2020 Election Winner.

If you find yourself Homeless
the Local Police will contact the MOD
and a Lady and a Man will collect
you and whoever else is with you,
and if you are not from the UK
you will be taken to another division.


We are being Fair.

With all the World media watching us
other nations will take our Inspiration.

The First Nation Of the World
to Remove all Homeless from our streets.

Evolution Will Not Be Stopped

[bots]

People want there
Communities back.
Its a 2020 Election Winner.

If you find yourself Homeless
the Local Police will contact the MOD
and a Lady and a Man will collect
you and whoever else is with you,
and if you are not from the UK
you will be taken to another division.


We are being Fair.

With all the World media watching us
other nations will take our Inspiration.

The First Nation Of the World
to Remove all Homeless from our streets.

Evolution Will Not Be Stopped

Again, it is all in your imagination.

[arista]

Again, it is all in your imagination.

thats your right to say.

[joeysteele]

People want there
Communities back.
Its a 2020 Election Winner.

If you find yourself Homeless
the Local Police will contact the MOD
and a Lady and a Man will collect
you and whoever else is with you,
and if you are not from the UK
you will be taken to another division.


We are being Fair.

With all the World media watching us
other nations will take our Inspiration.

The First Nation Of the World
to Remove all Homeless from our streets.

Evolution Will Not Be Stopped



That actually sounds rather sinister to me and very unsavoury too..

[Kizzy]

It's less serious debate and more a distopian fanfic.

David Cameron has used his New Year message to commit his last four years in Downing Street to beating poverty.

'But on the same day new figures revealed that homelessness has doubled in London under his premiership, with the Conservative government’s cutbacks to housing benefit and its poor record on provision of affordable housing cited as key factors behind the worrying rise in people sleeping rough.'

Hope you've envisaged enough sheds for them all Arista.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-vows-crackdown-on-poverty-on-same-day-as-figures-reveal-homelessness-has-doubled-under-a6792916.html

[Northern Monkey]

Hey,If it gets people off the streets and into warm shelter with food then why not?It's more than anyone else has done.It would have to go along side what Ammi said about looking at the causes of homelessness.
It's not a bad idea though.

[arista]

That actually sounds rather sinister to me and very unsavoury too..


No Joey - do not say That
The MOD have agreed a man and a women
will meet these homeless
they are driven with care
to our our old Army Sheds
or if not UK subjects
to another Division

[arista]

Hey,If it gets people off the streets and into warm shelter with food then why not?It's more than anyone else has done.It would have to go along side what Ammi said about looking at the causes of homelessness.
It's not a bad idea though.



Yes thats it N. M.
Hot Dinners
medical advice
Free to walk right out (if they choose)
but then may go to the Island if they
end up on English Streets.

[arista]

It's less serious debate and more a distopian fanfic.

David Cameron has used his New Year message to commit his last four years in Downing Street to beating poverty.

'But on the same day new figures revealed that homelessness has doubled in London under his premiership, with the Conservative government’s cutbacks to housing benefit and its poor record on provision of affordable housing cited as key factors behind the worrying rise in people sleeping rough.'

Hope you've envisaged enough sheds for them all Arista.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-vows-crackdown-on-poverty-on-same-day-as-figures-reveal-homelessness-has-doubled-under-a6792916.html

Kizzy
we may even have you working as a adviser,


We have more than enough
Old Army Sheds.
we will even build roads for some them
so walk out if they choose.

[Johnnyuk123]

Sadly homelessness more than doubled under the Labour party.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1478930/Homeless-households-double-under-Labour.html

[arista]

Sadly homelessness more than doubled under the Labour party.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1478930/Homeless-households-double-under-Labour.html


Yes Fecking Labour made it all worse
Wasted 13 years,

[user104658]

Arista, what happened to your proper news threads? I'm sorry but most of your recent threads have been nonsensical :shrug:

[arista]

Arista, what happened to your proper news threads? I'm sorry but most of your recent threads have been nonsensical :shrug:


Open your Eyes

this section is 2 things

"Serious Debates & News"


Now if you can not Follow my 1st post
you can leave this thread
I am not holding a gun To your Nice head

[Kizzy]

Then what are you seriously debating?
Putting people in sheds...I don't want to work in a glorified internment camp either thanks.

[user104658]

Then what are you seriously debating?
Putting people in sheds...I don't want to work in a glorified internment camp either thanks.

Putting homeless people in sheds / sending them to mythical islands, as if this would be a better (or even cheaper) solution than just giving them actual homes... I'm also struggling to see how this constitutes a serious debate, let alone news.

What it is, is a really long, drawn out piece of shock-value sensationalism that can actually be boiled down to 5 words.

"Arista doesn't like homeless people".

Duly noted, Arista. Moving on...?

[arista]

Then what are you seriously debating?
Putting people in sheds...I don't want to work in a glorified internment camp either thanks.


No these are folks Sleeping on
England Streets

A warm Old army shed
well help there Education
and any medical needs


You could be a great adviser
telling the folks its best to use this facility
as if they leave - which they can any time
they must not return to English Streets
as then they go to the Island Camp.
You would help so many homeless

We would love to have you on board.

[arista]

Putting homeless people in sheds / sending them to mythical islands, as if this would be a better (or even cheaper) solution than just giving them actual homes... I'm also struggling to see how this constitutes a serious debate, let alone news.

What it is, is a really long, drawn out piece of shock-value sensationalism that can actually be boiled down to 5 words.

"Arista doesn't like homeless people".

Duly noted, Arista. Moving on...?


TS The Falklands belong to us


We want the homeless to get a better life

[user104658]

if they leave - which they can any time
they must not return to English Streets
as then they go to the Island Camp

"Yeah you can leave at any time... except if you do, we'll kidnap you and maroon you on an island with the rest of the undesirables."

It's nonsense. I'm hesitant to say that it's a troll Arista, because I know you have a quirky way of putting your point across but... yeah... it feels a bit like a troll thread :shrug:

[arista]

"Yeah you can leave at any time... except if you do, we'll kidnap you and maroon you on an island with the rest of the undesirables."

It's nonsense. I'm hesitant to say that it's a troll Arista, because I know you have a quirky way of putting your point across but... yeah... it feels a bit like a troll thread :shrug:


No the Boat has a cabin for them
each.


TS do not put me as a troll.
you are being silly.


We want the Homeless improved
and No longer without a Home

[Kizzy]

No these are folks Sleeping on
England Streets

A warm Old army shed
well help there Education
and any medical needs


You could be a great adviser
telling the folks its best to use this facility
as if they leave - which they can any time
they must not return to English Streets
as then they go to the Island Camp.
You would help so many homeless

We would love to have you on board.

Oh you mean like old folks homes and facilities for those with mental health issues... Close them all down in communities and just open one huge gulag?

No, I won't be advocating that sorry.

[arista]

Oh you mean like old folks homes and facilities for those with mental health issues... Close them all down in communities and just open one huge gulag?

No, I won't be advocating that sorry.


Thats Fine

Many new Building Projects
using old Ship Containers
will be made into homes for them.

That is being done right now

And a travel lodge has a Hotel converted

Every Long Container for the homeless
has new windows Shower , bog,
kitchen , bed and freeview TV

[Kizzy]

You should name them Arista vistas.

[joeysteele]

Oh you mean like old folks homes and facilities for those with mental health issues... Close them all down in communities and just open one huge gulag?

No, I won't be advocating that sorry.


Nor me, not on what I have seen presented here.

Obviously a genuine care package with the right people in support would be welcome but I see no reason to remove people from society in effect to do that and so for me I view this proposal with a lot of suspicion as to its real intentions.

[arista]

[/B]

Nor me, not on what I have seen presented here.

Obviously a genuine care package with the right people in support would be welcome but I see no reason to remove people from society in effect to do that and so for me I view this proposal with a lot of suspicion as to its real intentions.


Yes Joey
we will have those people
in our New Community Sheds.
Army Troops will keep out
Activists trying to put a spanner in the works.

Drunks will be removed from English Streets
there is no need for them - at all.

[joeysteele]

Yes Joey
we will have those people
in our New Community Sheds.
Army Troops will keep out
Activists trying to put a spanner in the works.

Drunks will be removed from English Streets
there is no need for them - at all.

What on earth are terms like 'community sheds' doing in the UK in the 21st century.

It's a horrible term, whatever happened to hostels,rooms, homes in fact, I am not convinced at all as to this.
It would help if govts 'stopped' helping make people homeless in the first place.

I won't hold my breath on that one particularly with this govt.This govt is part of the problem, not the solution to it.

[arista]

What on earth are terms like 'community sheds' doing in the UK in the 21st century.

It's a horrible term, whatever happened to hostels,rooms, homes in fact, I am not convinced at all as to this.
It would help if govts 'stopped' helping make people homeless in the first place.

I won't hold my breath on that one particularly with this govt.This govt is part of the problem, not the solution to it.


Its a Term that represents our Zones with live in.


Yes Homeless are on our streets whoever is in power,
This is a Solution
as many will stop being homeless
as they will have The Army sheds
with heating - to keep them safe
until they locate to a safe place to live
under their funding budget allowance.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes thats it N. M.
Hot Dinners
medical advice
Free to walk right out (if they choose)
but then may go to the Island if they
end up on English Streets.

Yeah lets bring back the workhouse. The last one was closed in 1930 but we can always go backwards instead of forwards.

Lets ship the low life's off to other shores just like we did with the Irish in the late eighteen hundreds.

Evolution my arse!

I thought this was a trolling post for the first two pages but then sadly it dawned on me that you're being serious.

[arista]

Yeah lets bring back the workhouse. The last one was closed in 1930 but we can always go backwards instead of forwards.

Lets ship the low life's off to other shores just like we did with the Irish in the late eighteen hundreds.

Evolution my arse!

I thought this was a trolling post for the first two pages but then sadly it dawned on me that you're being serious.


Yes DR.

its not the 1930s
it is 2016 to 2020
And England will change for the better.

No one has to go on a ship
so long as they stay at the Army Sheds
and stay off our pavements

Law and Order
is Common Sense.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes DR.

its not the 1930s but you want something that resembles the 1930's?
it is 2016 to 2020
And England will change for the better. By hiding away the underclass?

No one has to go on a ship
so long as they stay at the Army Sheds so as long as they remain imprisoned?

and stay off our pavements. Your pavements???

Law and Order
is Common Sense. Sighs and goes off to do something more productive.

[Crimson Dynamo]

at least the workhouse dealt with vagrancy

now we just shriek and hide our eyes


There is no point just sayin g "!oh we cant do this and we cant do that, its 2016 you know"

Yes that is great we can identify problems and we can look at the past and hold out noses

But if we dont offer a solution then we are worse than the Victorians, who did

[arista]

"By hiding away the underclass?"


No DR
they are relocated
but can leave that camp at any time they wish
so long as they do not return to Our Public Streets
and stand there begging.

[Kizzy]

at least the workhouse dealt with vagrancy

now we just shriek and hide our eyes


There is no point just sayin g "!oh we cant do this and we cant do that, its 2016 you know"

Yes that is great we can identify problems and we can look at the past and hold out noses

But if we dont offer a solution then we are worse than the Victorians, who did

We had a solution... 'care in the community' What an oxymoron.

[joeysteele]

Yeah lets bring back the workhouse. The last one was closed in 1930 but we can always go backwards instead of forwards.

Lets ship the low life's off to other shores just like we did with the Irish in the late eighteen hundreds.

Evolution my arse!

I thought this was a trolling post for the first two pages but then sadly it dawned on me that you're being serious.

:joker: Don't give this govt that idea again DemRed.
It's a wonder they haven't looked at it already.

Evolution can be, as I have said in my view on here before, positive or negative, for me this idea of 'community sheds' sounds absolutely awful.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"By hiding away the underclass?"


No DR
they are relocated
but can leave that camp at any time they wish
so long as they do not return to Our Public Streets
and stand there begging.

Get them in the community sheds :thumbs:

[Kizzy]

"By hiding away the underclass?"


No DR
they are relocated
but can leave that camp at any time they wish
so long as they do not return to Our Public Streets
and stand there begging.

Where does gentrification end and national socialism begin?

[DemolitionRed]

:joker: Don't give this govt that idea again DemRed.
It's a wonder they haven't looked at it already.

Evolution can be, as I have said in my view on here before, positive or negative, for me this idea of 'community sheds' sounds absolutely awful.

We already have it in a way Joey.
If you now claim unemployment benefit for over six weeks Workfare steps in and finds you up to 30 hours a week work. That could be stacking shelves in a supermarket or working as a cleaner or some other menial task. You don't get paid other than your usual benefits so instead of the average salary of £210 pw you get just enough to put food in your mouth. If you leave your benefits are stopped for six weeks. Many jobs advertised at the Job Centre aren't actual paying jobs but Workfare placements. Its forced unpaid labour that was brought in by Labour and expanded by the coalition.

There have been cases where people have been made redundant from factories only to be later offered a Workfare unpaid job for the same company doing the same job before they were made redundant.

[kirklancaster]

In Arista's defence - He is right. He is - predictably - under attack because he dares to 'Speak The Truth Which Dare Not Speak Its Name', but the protests and criticism is misplaced.

Let's start by IDENTIFYING just WHAT is meant by the all-sweeping term "Homeless":

First of all, a considerable number of 'homeless' people ELECT to be 'homeless' because they are nomadic/hippie in spirit and nature and do not want what they regard as 'conformist' lives. YES - they CHOOSE to 'doss' outdoors.

An even greater number of 'homeless' people MAKE themselves homeless becuse they deliberately and repeatedly do NOT honour many - or even any - of the conditions in their Tenancy Agreements. These breaches include:

a) Wifully NOT paying the rent - even when the British taxpayer has funded that rent - and electing to spend the money given to them instead, on drugs, drink, gambling, or simply using it to fund a lifestyle BEYOND their means.

b) Trashing their rented accommodation, including NEVER cleaning any of the white goods, filling every room with rotting rubbish or dozens of putrid bin bags, damaging the fixtures and fittings by wilful abuse, allowing other druggies and drunks to 'squat' there without permission, keeping one or more dogs or other pets without permission - usually while selfishly failing to look after them properly, leaving them locked in a room until the dog faeces is so bad that they then move them into another room. Each new 'pet prison' is left with new doors scratched through to a depth of an inch or more, and window cills chewed away.

c) Converting the house or rooms in it, into 'Cannabis Farms' - leaving holes in ceilings and doors cut through to accomodate ventilation ducting, and water damaged floors, and the stench of cannabis permeating the decorations, plasterwork and all the internal fabric of the property.

Then, an ever greater number of 'homeless' people are 'homeless' by default because they are 'mentally ill' or socially ill-equipped to manage their affairs - especially fiscally - and continually fall foul of some or most of the conditions of their Tenancy Areements, and THESE are the TRUE homeless.

THESE are the people who the Social Services are failing.

THESE are the people who genuinely NEED professional help and care.

THESE are the people who NEED sheltered accomodation. The other types of 'homeless' listed above are NOT needing of sympathy or help, and - just as with the scroungers and fraudsters who abuse the Benefits System - GIVING them sympathy, help, and money, is doing so at the EXPENSE of the GENUINE people who NEED it .

As for Arista's suggestions - just WHAT is so WRONG with them?

I mean REALLY wrong - not just irrational umbrage from disgruntled anti-Tory factions grinding their own axes.

Are any of you REALLY saying, that housing those sleeping rough on the streets in purposely converted accommodation is NOT a BETTER solution than allowing them to live on the streets because other ORTHODOX options have been persistently abused by these people and other resolutions are NOT FINANCIALLY viable?

As Arista said; these are 'Huts' in name only, but will be modern clean, attractive homes with fitted kitchens, bathrooms with showers and every other facility which conventional accommodation could boast.

They are NOT 'gulags', NOT 'workhouses', NOT 'jungle camps - they will be modern, bright, attractive communities with gardens and flower beds, street lighting and shops etc - much like fixed mobile home parks in seaside resorts.

For years now, working people in a host of countries - who are NOT homeless - have been buying modern new homes which have been converted from shipping containers, and they are NOT complaining:

http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2015/04/cog-court1.jpg.650x0_q70_crop-smart.jpg

They are NOT complaining, because these converted homes are attractive, and functional, and offer them a chance to own their own homes which they otherwise could NOT afford.

For decades now people have been living happily in communities of prefabricated houses such as 'Airey' houses, and they have made smart and attractive 'Homes' from these prefabs.

For decades too, our military have lived for long periods in similar.

There have been very few 'Bad' houses built but there are tens of thousands of 'Bad' tenants - some of whom eventually become 'Homeless', and where these homeless ARE genuine cases in need of help, then help is what they should be given.

There is nothing wrong with offering the rest a warm, clean, 'home' in a modern bright community - in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

It begins...
Homeless people could be fined up to £1,000 for sleeping in doorways near popular tourist spots, under new rules launched by a London council.
It’s not clear how destitute rough sleepers are expected to pay.
Hackney Council’s Public Space Protection Order bans sleeping in public places – offenders are handed a £100 fixed penalty, which can rise to £1,000 in court.
Homelessness charities have condemned the move, saying that it turns rough sleepers – who are often escaping lives of abuse – into criminals.
A similar protection order was proposed by Oxford City Council, but the council backed off after a petition against the move garnered 72,000 signatures.
Matt Downie of homelessness charity Crisis said, ‘Rough sleepers deserve better than to be treated as a nuisance – they may have suffered a relationship breakdown, a bereavement or domestic abuse.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/02/homeless-people-to-be-fined-up-to-1000-for-sleeping-rough-5226481/

[arista]

"In Arista's defence - He is right. "

Thank you Kirk
Great post from you,

[arista]

It begins...
Homeless people could be fined up to £1,000 for sleeping in doorways near popular tourist spots, under new rules launched by a London council.
It’s not clear how destitute rough sleepers are expected to pay.
Hackney Council’s Public Space Protection Order bans sleeping in public places – offenders are handed a £100 fixed penalty, which can rise to £1,000 in court.
Homelessness charities have condemned the move, saying that it turns rough sleepers – who are often escaping lives of abuse – into criminals.
A similar protection order was proposed by Oxford City Council, but the council backed off after a petition against the move garnered 72,000 signatures.
Matt Downie of homelessness charity Crisis said, ‘Rough sleepers deserve better than to be treated as a nuisance – they may have suffered a relationship breakdown, a bereavement or domestic abuse.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/02/homeless-people-to-be-fined-up-to-1000-for-sleeping-rough-5226481/


Yes Kizzy
I am not alone in getting England
Great again.

[Kizzy]

Yes Kizzy
I am not alone in getting England
Great again.

Define 'great'.

[arista]

Define 'great'.

A Better Nation
like no other.

[Johnnyuk123]

A Better Nation
like no other.

Bang on right Arista and better for everyone too!
That's why so many folk cross several countries just to get here.

This used to be a great country until labour got in and spent all the money but now with the right man in charge paying back all the money that labour stupidly borrowed I do believe that our David will get this country back on it's feet in no time at all and back to being GREAT once more! :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[Kizzy]

A Better Nation
like no other.

Supremacy?

[arista]

Supremacy?


No need for that.

A nation dealing with the homeless
is a Example for the World to learn from
our Positive Moves.

[arista]

Bang on right Arista and better for everyone too!
That's why so many folk cross several countries just to get here.

This used to be a great country until labour got in and spent all the money but now with the right man in charge paying back all the money that labour stupidly borrowed I do believe that our David will get this country back on it's feet in no time at all and back to being GREAT once more! :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:


Yes Everyone will benefit
from our Helpful
move forward,
Johnny.

[Kizzy]

No need for that.

A nation dealing with the homeless
is a Example for the World to learn from
our Positive Moves.

Explain how fining someone with nothing £1000 solves anything.
Unless you know it will end in a default, there will be a warrant for their arrest and they will end up in jail.... Job done.
Social cleansing.

[DemolitionRed]

It begins...
Homeless people could be fined up to £1,000 for sleeping in doorways near popular tourist spots, under new rules launched by a London council.
It’s not clear how destitute rough sleepers are expected to pay.
Hackney Council’s Public Space Protection Order bans sleeping in public places – offenders are handed a £100 fixed penalty, which can rise to £1,000 in court.
Homelessness charities have condemned the move, saying that it turns rough sleepers – who are often escaping lives of abuse – into criminals.
A similar protection order was proposed by Oxford City Council, but the council backed off after a petition against the move garnered 72,000 signatures.
Matt Downie of homelessness charity Crisis said, ‘Rough sleepers deserve better than to be treated as a nuisance – they may have suffered a relationship breakdown, a bereavement or domestic abuse.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/02/homeless-people-to-be-fined-up-to-1000-for-sleeping-rough-5226481/

I find it strange that people like you and me can be so concerned and upset by this sort of policy whilst others think its a great idea.

I don't know about you but I've never been in a position of becoming or nearly becoming homeless but then I've got a great support network around me. I'd get bailed out long before things got bad.

I'd love to understand what makes people so heartless.

[arista]

Explain how fining someone with nothing £1000 solves anything.
Unless you know it will end in a default, there will be a warrant for their arrest and they will end up in jail.... Job done.
Social cleansing.



Thats not this threads plan
that is a Zone trying other methods.

I would expect it will move the homeless and drunks away
from that area.

[Kizzy]

I find it strange that people like you and me can be so concerned and upset by this sort of policy whilst others think its a great idea.

I don't know about you but I've never been in a position of becoming or nearly becoming homeless but then I've got a great support network around me. I'd get bailed out long before things got bad.

I'd love to understand what makes people so heartless.

They haven't read my sig obv ;)

[Kizzy]

Thats not this threads plan
that is a Zone trying other methods.

I would expect it will move the homeless and drunks away
from that area.

Well that's a point, who would have thought your utilitarian vision would be more humanitarian in approach than our glorious leaders.

[arista]

Well that's a point, who would have thought your utilitarian vision would be more humanitarian in approach than our glorious leaders.


Yes Kizzy
My Own Vision
on this thread,
has a radical solution.
because all the homeless and drunks are looked after,
not pushed to the next City.

[kirklancaster]

I find it strange that people like you and me can be so concerned and upset by this sort of policy whilst others think its a great idea.

I don't know about you but I've never been in a position of becoming or nearly becoming homeless but then I've got a great support network around me. I'd get bailed out long before things got bad.

I'd love to understand what makes people so heartless.

Here we go again; yet another post which indicts anyone with a different prespective of being 'heartless', 'uncaring', 'selfish' - and WRONG. :shrug:

The 'Left' has neither a monopoly on the TRUTH, nor on genuinely CARING about other less fortunate people, and it is arrogant and offensive to suggest that those of us who do not glibly oversimplify complex social problems AND their solutions, are 'heartless'.

Why don't you start by responding to my long post on this subject?

I welcome your comments.

My problem with these over simplistic views is that they NEVER differentiate between those who are in GENUINE need of help with accomodation through being sociallly inept, and those who are BEYOND any type of help because they ABUSE EVERY single bit of help which is given to them.

It is the same with those in receipt of BENEFITS - HUGE numbers of people in receipt of diverse types of benefit are SCAMMING the system, and by so doing are actually INJURING the genuine needy by depriving them of the much needed EXTRA money and resources which would otherwise - eventually - be given to them to alleviate their suffering.

YET - to a man - the Left Wing on here NEVER even ADMIT that these scammers and accomodation abusers exist - or if they do, they mitigate both their numbers and the extent of their adverse impact upon the - already - spartan Welfare budget.

This 'scatter gun' methodology of peppering the threads with pro-Left, anti-Government rhetoric and hyperbole in NUMBERS does not wash with me.

As terrible as the phrase is - 'Beggars Can't Be Choosers' is as true now as it's always been, and if living in modern, clean bright homes as Arista proposes is NOT better than sleeping unwashed and cold on the streets, then I - for one would welcome YOUR solution.

Just for the record; I HAVE been homeless and I HAVE been poverty-stricken - and I mean REAL poverty.

Sometimes, it is impossible to help some people who do not WANT help or who do not VALUE help, or those who will NOT help themselves, and it is also NOT FAIR to continue to WASTE money and resources on these people, when there ARE so many GENUINE cases who not only DO WANT and NEED help, but who would APPRECIATE it.

[Johnnyuk123]

Here we go again; yet another post which indicts anyone with a different prespective of being 'heartless', 'uncaring', 'selfish' - and WRONG. :shrug:

The 'Left' has neither a monopoly on the TRUTH, nor on genuinely CARING about other less fortunate people, and it is arrogant and offensive to suggest that those of us who do not glibly oversimplify complex social problems AND their solutions, are 'heartless'.

Why don't you start by responding to my long post on this subject?

I welcome your comments.

My problem with these over simplistic views is that they NEVER differentiate between those who are in GENUINE need of help with accomodation through being sociallly inept, and those who are BEYOND any type of help because they ABUSE EVERY single bit of help which is given to them.

It is the same with those in receipt of BENEFITS - HUGE numbers of people in receipt of diverse types of benefit are SCAMMING the system, and by so doing are actually INJURING the genuine needy by depriving them of the much needed EXTRA money and resources which would otherwise - eventually - be given to them to alleviate their suffering.

YET - to a man - the Left Wing on here NEVER even ADMIT that these scammers and accomodation abusers exist - or if they do, they mitigate both their numbers and the extent of their adverse impact upon the - already - spartan Welfare budget.

This 'scatter gun' methodology of peppering the threads with pro-Left, anti-Government rhetoric and hyperbole in NUMBERS does not wash with me.

As terrible as the phrase is - 'Beggars Can't Be Choosers' is as true now as it's always been, and if living in modern, clean bright homes as Arista proposes is NOT better than sleeping unwashed and cold on the streets, then I - for one would welcome YOUR solution.

Just for the record; I HAVE been homeless and I HAVE been poverty-stricken - and I mean REAL poverty.

Sometimes, it is impossible to help some people who do not WANT help or who do not VALUE help, or those who will NOT help themselves, and it is also NOT FAIR to continue to WASTE money and resources on these people, when there ARE so many GENUINE cases who not only DO WANT and NEED help, but who would APPRECIATE it.

Great post Kirk!
You and many others on here are wising up and noticing that every left wing (whinge) post is really never actually about the subject matter at hand. It's really just another excuse to slag off this government that feeds and waters them. You'd think they'd be over losing the general election by now. I swear to you Kirk that if our Dave opened the flood gates on immigration tomorrow and let everyone in these left wingers (whingers) would still find something to complain about.

[joeysteele]

Actually as has been stated on programme after programme on TV when debating those on benefits, the real amount of scammers is estimated as being extremely small indeed and not 'huge' numbers at all.
hence why, once a freak case comes along great play is made of it in the media because there are really so few they can unearth.

Another great 'generalisation to belittle benefits claimants by claiming that, (without any supporting evidence whatsoever), that large numbers are scamming the system.

Any scammers should be caught and taken off benefits but making it sound like the problem is rife in the system is possibly,in my opinion,massively misleading.

Probably far more being wrongly refused benefits, having benefits cut or stopped altogether, occur more than those scamming the benefit system.

There is even welfare funding set aside for what should be claimed by some, who don't and maybe have no idea they are entitled to the extra benefits too, no one does anything to find those people who should have it however.

This removing the homeless from cities too,taking them away from towns to sheds and supposedly seeing to them there, stinks to me too.
It sounds more like prison camps than genuine help and support.

[kirklancaster]

Actually as has been stated on programme after programme on TV when debating those on benefits, the real amount of scammers is estimated as being extremely small indeed and not 'huge' numbers at all.
hence why, once a freak case comes along great play is made of it in the media because there are really so few they can unearth.

Another great 'generalisation to belittle benefits claimants by claiming that, (without any supporting evidence whatsoever), that large numbers are scamming the system.

Any scammers should be caught and taken off benefits but making it sound like the problem is rife in the system is possibly,in my opinion,massively misleading.

Probably far more being wrongly refused benefits, having benefits cut or stopped altogether, occur more than those scamming the benefit system.

There is even welfare funding set aside for what should be claimed by some, who don't and maybe have no idea they are entitled to the extra benefits too, no one does anything to find those people who should have it however.

This removing the homeless from cities too,taking them away from towns to sheds and supposedly seeing to them there, stinks to me too.
It sounds more like prison camps than genuine help and support.

You are - once again confusing GENUINE claimants with SCAMMERS, and GENUINE people in GENUINE need of help with accommodation with those who do not DESERVE help and who would wreck Buckingham Palace if they were ascribed the tenancy - but only after NOT paying any rent there.

As predicted - you are also mitigating the numbers of scammers AND their adverse impact upon the budget meant for the GENUINE, and ignoring the points made in my earlier posts that these are not 'prison camps' or 'sheds'.

What is YOUR solution?

Finally: I WRITE from DIRECT EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE as well as from the knowledge gleaned from diverse sources, and if you think the 'scammer' or 'rogue tenant' problems are 'small' ones, then you need to get out more.

[joeysteele]

You are - once again confusing GENUINE claimants with SCAMMERS, and GENUINE people in GENUINE need of help with accommodation with those who do nOt DESERVE help and who would wreck Buckingham Palace if they were ascribed the tenancy - but only after NOT paying any rent there.

As predicted - you are also mitigating the numbers of scammers AND their adverse impact upon the budget meant for the GENUINE

I WRITE from DIRECT EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE as well as from the knowledge gleaned from diverse sources, and if you think the 'scammer' or 'rogue tenant' problems are 'small' ones, then you need to get out more.



So do I.
Maybe to you those on the left talk rubbish and are to be derided,however the right does not have a monopoly on speaking from 'direct experience' alone either.

Not saying you don't make some strong valid points above as to such as rogue tenants and landlords,if you were also referring to them,often those people are costing the taxpayer a great amount of funding,I would agree to that.

[DemolitionRed]

Great post Kirk!
You and many others on here are wising up and noticing that every left wing (whinge) post is really never actually about the subject matter at hand. It's really just another excuse to slag off this government that feeds and waters them. You'd think they'd be over losing the general election by now. I swear to you Kirk that if our Dave opened the flood gates on immigration tomorrow and let everyone in these left wingers (whingers) would still find something to complain about.

Wait...what???

What is left wing about my post? Point out to me what I said that was left wing?

[DemolitionRed]

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/02/homele...rough-5226481/

Kizzy, its good to see that a lot of towns and cities are going against this order.

[kirklancaster]

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So do I.
Maybe to you those on the left talk rubbish and are to be derided,however the right does not have a monopoly on speaking from 'direct experience' alone either.

Not saying you don't make some strong valid points above as to such as rogue tenants and landlords,if you were also referring to them,often those people are costing the taxpayer a great amount of funding,I would agree to that.

Yes, I agree Joey - Rogue Landlords and their accomplices WITHIN the Housing Benefits departments ARE costing this country HUGE amounts of money, and I am actually collating data for a seperate thread on this scandal.

[Kizzy]

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/02/homele...rough-5226481/

Kizzy, its good to see that a lot of towns and cities are going against this order.

Fantastic news heard that 50 conservative MPs are none too happy about local cuts of 33% in rural areas either and are going against proposals.

[joeysteele]

Yes, I agree Joey - Rogue Landlords and their accomplices WITHIN the Housing Benefits departments ARE costing this country HUGE amounts of money, and I am actually collating data for a seperate thread on this scandal.

Great stuff and good on you for doing so,I look forward to that one and being able to agree with you more on it too.

[kirklancaster]

Great stuff and good on you for doing so,I look forward to that one and being able to agree with you more on it too.

Thank you Joey.

[kirklancaster]

Fantastic news heard that 50 conservative MPs are none too happy about local cuts of 33% in rural areas either and are going against proposals.

This is good news.

[arista]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sussex-police-criminalising-rough-sleepers-by-using-plain-clothes-officers-to-catch-people-begging-a6861231.html

Undercover Sussex Police
have arrested Vagrants Begging

[The 1824 Vagrancy Act defines begging as a
person “placing himself or herself in any public place, street,
highway, court, or passage, to beg or gather alms” ]

[Sussex Police last year arrested more than 60 people
in Brighton for begging as part of an operation which uses
non-uniformed officers to monitor homeless
individuals and then move make arrests if they are
witnessed asking for money.]


http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/02/08/18/7-brighton-homeless-alamy.jpg
No Fella
you should not be on our pavements

[arista]

you gonna put them all up in your house then arista?

No they Would Not Like me
Smithy

[Marsh.]

oh PISS OFF

[DemolitionRed]

oh PISS OFF

:hehe:

[Withano]

I thought it was against the rules to bump your own threads?

[Withano]

Even if its not, it looks needy and is very annoying.

[Scarlett.]

Most people would suggest something rational, like more homeless shelters, rather than some Nazi bull**** like rounding people off and shipping them off to "an island"

[arista]

Most people would suggest something rational, like more homeless shelters, rather than some Nazi bull**** like rounding people off and shipping them off to "an island"

They only go to the Falklands Islands
when they leave the old army base
and go back to a public street
illegal begging
3rd time they do it
they are sent there.

[arista]

oh PISS OFF

Yes Good Point Marsh
these Homeless have no place to use a proper bog.

So they go
in shop doorways
and home doorways near shops etc.

[arista]

Even if its not, it looks needy and is very annoying.



Needy for Who?

[Brillopad]

Most people would suggest something rational, like more homeless shelters, rather than some Nazi bull**** like rounding people off and shipping them off to "an island"

If anyone should be rounded up it should be illegal immigrants who have no right to be here, not even on our streets. Our own homeless are the ones we should focus on helping.

[DemolitionRed]

If anyone should be rounded up it should be illegal immigrants who have no right to be here, not even on our streets. Our own homeless are the ones we should focus on helping.


As well as the corrupt bosses who pay these illegals £2 an hour and these corrupt landlords who charge the earth for overcrowded slum conditions. Until we start punishing from the top down, illegals will keep coming here.

[Kizzy]

As well as the corrupt bosses who pay these illegals £2 an hour and these corrupt landlords who charge the earth for overcrowded slum conditions. Until we start punishing from the top down, illegals will keep coming here.

True, and the 'outsourcing' from agencies abroad are what keep this going, exploiting both them and us. What are our govt doing? nada.

[Withano]

Needy for Who?

People who bump their own threads two years later look needy
Sorry that this wasnt clear

[arista]

Yeah I want to remove all homeless people from the streets too,

by housing them. by giving them what they need. Nobody chooses to be homeless.

They will not take the Housing
Junkies are begging
its Illegal