Why do UK pop girls always become UK flop girls

[Smithy]

Leona
Alexandra
Pixie Lott
Duffy
Eliza Doolittle
Cher Lloyd
Lily Allen (to an extent with her new album)
Ellie Goulding (as above after LMLYD you'd expect her album to smash)

there's probably more but i just can't think of any


The first 6 for sure had massive first era's but they were quickly dropped by brits in their following era's, why? :think:

[MB.]

Duffy had a second era?

[Pete.]

This happens to every pop artist in the end except for the obvious exceptions (Madge etc)

[EspeonBB]

The UK are so disloyal to their pop girls compared to the U.S. :worry:

Adele broke the curse though!

[Pete.]

But yeah the UK pop girls flop the hardest :(

[Pete.]

The UK are so disloyal to their pop girls compared to the U.S. :worry:

So true!

[Smithy]

Duffy had a second era?

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[King Gizzard]

I am still a big Kate Nash fan

[Smithy]

The UK are so disloyal to their pop girls compared to the U.S. :worry:

Adele broke the curse though!

It's usually the girls that explode onto the scene that flop hardest, adele, paloma, little mix (ellie too i guess) all debuted kind averagely but then just grew from there

[Shaun]

the BRITS/BBC tend to pump more and more energy into promoting new music and artists and then just toss them to the side :shrug: unless you're under 25 and only one album into your career (or you're part of a massive label with milions to buy them out), Radio 1 aren't gonna be interested.

[MB.]

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Talk about an ironic title

[EspeonBB]

It's usually the girls that explode onto the scene that flop hardest, adele, paloma, little mix (ellie too i guess) all debuted kind averagely but then just grew from there

Maybe it's because the girls in the OP have big debut eras and can't live up to the hype in the second era. Plus they lose the whole 'brand new artist' shtick too

[MB.]

I mourn Little Boots' career to this day

[Ashley.]

Lily Allen never flopped. :nono:

[Smithy]

Lily Allen never flopped. :nono:

Sheezus undeniably underperformed compared to INYIM, plus it was (arguably) a much weaker album

[Samm]

Lily isn't a flop and is way above all of em

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(not including Ellie) (I don't stan Ellie but why is she on here?)

[LukeB]

Ellie didn't flop

[EspeonBB]

Delirium is kinda flopping despite LMLYD and On My Mind being smashes :worry:

[Samm]

Sheezus undeniably underperformed compared to INYIM, plus it was (arguably) a much weaker album

It underperformed yes, but still got number one and she was widely talked about and Air Balllom and Hard Out Here were mediocre hits, so clearly isn't a "flop"!

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[Smithy]

Lily isn't a flop and is way above all of em

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(not including Ellie) (I don't stan Ellie but why is she on here?)

She got bigger with every album/rerelease, plus she was featured on some of the biggest songs of the past couple of years with Outside & I Need Your Love and with the huge success of LMLYD you'd have just expected the demand for her newest album to be a lot higher than what it was, it only debuted at 3

[LukeB]

Delirium is kinda flopping despite LMLYD and On My Mind being smashes :worry:

the album is doing well, not as well as her others but isn't doing badly, Gold Certification isn't bad.

[Pete.]

Justice for Air Balloon

[King Gizzard]

Air Balloon is her best song

[Smithy]

I didn't say they both flopped, i just said to an extent, meaning they're both underperforming compared to their previous success'

[Samm]

Air Balloon is her best song

stan!

[LukeB]

Our Time is my favourite from Lily's recent album

[Samm]

I didn't say they both flopped, i just said to an extent, meaning they're both underperforming compared to their previous success'

underperforming, but maybe flop means different to you, to be it means there album major failed and hardly anybody knew they had another era like Duffy and Eliza

[Smithy]

It underperformed yes, but still got number one and she was widely talked about and Air Balllom and Hard Out Here were mediocre hits, so clearly isn't a "flop"!

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It went #1 but it was her lowest first week sales to date :shrug:

[Z]

the BRITS/BBC tend to pump more and more energy into promoting new music and artists and then just toss them to the side :shrug: unless you're under 25 and only one album into your career (or you're part of a massive label with milions to buy them out), Radio 1 aren't gonna be interested.

Nailed it. We don't support longevity.

[Jake.]

It went #1 but it was her lowest first week sales to date :shrug:

yeah true, but I think that's more to do with sales in general at the moment. Exceptions aside, it sold pretty much the same/a bit more as other albums which went to #1

[MB.]

I wonder who'll be next to go out of Foxes and Jess Glynne

[LukeB]

I wonder who'll be next to go out of Foxes and Jess Glynne

both?

[Jake.]

Our Time is my favourite from Lily's recent album

the only acceptable answer, really

[Jake.]

I wonder who'll be next to go out of Foxes and Jess Glynne

Foxes is already there really isn't she?

[Jamie89]

It's just the music industry isn't it. Fickle. And women especially have a harder time because there is more of an emphasis on their appearance than men, so getting older, and maturer with age, not wanting to be a sex object etc. will all be factors. And the UK industry doesn't have the wealth of the US market to continually push established artists so they're pretty much left to their own devices after they've had their peak.

[Smithy]

yeah true, but I think that's more to do with sales in general at the moment. Exceptions aside, it sold pretty much the same/a bit more as other albums which went to #1
looking at the sales, she was lucky she released when she did, the week before she'd have been blocked and the week after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_in_British_music_charts#Number-one_albums
I wonder who'll be next to go out of Foxes and Jess Glynne

Jess, foxes isn't big enough, she'll just grow

[MB.]

Foxes is already there really isn't she?

Whilst she's still in her Body Talk era I refuse to accept her floppage

[reece(:]

Cheryl isn't flopping

[Denver]

Cheryl isn't flopping

Her last few songs say otherwise also didnt her album get like a peak of 18?

[reece(:]

Her last few songs say otherwise also didnt her album get like a peak of 18?
Crazy Stupid Love and I Don't Care were both #1 :think:

[reece(:]

I guess number ones are flops now!

[LukeB]

Her last few songs say otherwise also didnt her album get like a peak of 18?

her latest song*

CSL and I Don't care went to number 1

and her album went to number 7

[Pete.]

Didn't Only Human reach #10 too?

[Pete.]

Didn't Only Human reach #10 too?
Oops maybe not

[LukeB]

Oops maybe not

it went to #70 i think but people already that song on their playlists because of the album.

[Denver]

Only human #70 oops

[Smithy]

it went to #70 i think but people already that song on their playlists because of the album.

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[LukeB]

Cheryl is joint with Jess Glynne with having the most number ones by a British Female

[reece(:]

I think two #1s make up for a flop 3rd in the same era :joker:

Shall we talk about Tulisa's latest era not even picking up? :fan:

[Denver]

Cheryl is joint with Jess Glynne with having the most number ones by a British Female

Pretty much all of her #1 came from Simon pimping her on his shows :hehe:

[LukeB]

Pretty much all of her #1 came from Simon pimping her on his shows :hehe:

Call My Name wasn't performed on X Factor :spin:

[Amy Jade]

Cheryl's latest single did flop, her husband even blamed her management for it and caused a bit of dram over it. Her support has been on the slide for the last 12 - 16 months imo, she came across badly in 2014's X Factor and even her die hard stans seem to have moved on

[LukeB]

I think two #1s make up for a flop 3rd in the same era :joker:

Shall we talk about Tulisa's latest era not even picking up? :fan:

:smug:

[Pete.]

Reece bring back Music Debates!

[Samm]

Reece bring back Music Debates!

!!!

Little Mix vs FH is needed

[Smithy]

I think two #1s make up for a flop 3rd in the same era :joker:

Shall we talk about Tulisa's latest era not even picking up? :fan:

her entire solo career never really picked up lets be honest

[Denver]

Call My Name wasn't performed on X Factor :spin:

But she used the Voice all her #1 have come from appearances on Talent shows :hehe:

[Amy Jade]

!!!

Little Mix vs FH is needed

All of LM can sing, only one can in FH so what is there to debate?

[Samm]

All of LM can sing, only one can in FH so what is there to debate?

True but still

[Pete.]

All of LM can sing, only one can in FH so what is there to debate?
I prefer LM's songs too

[reece(:]

Reece bring back Music Debates!
The masses weren't here for a re-up

[Denver]

LM will always have a better career then FH they sre more likeable and release good music

[LukeB]

her entire solo career never really picked up lets be honest

She still has a career, her next single will most likely go to number 1

[Amy Jade]

I prefer LM's songs too

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[Denver]

She still has a career, her next single will most likely go to number 1

Of course Jess will get her next song to #1

[LukeB]

I prefer LM's songs too

I actually prefer Sledgehammer and Worth it to any LM song

[Pete.]

The masses weren't here for a re-up
An indie revival?

[Amy Jade]

I actually prefer Sledgehammer and Worth it to any LM song

You like Rita Ora though so... :fan:


obviously joking to each their own etc

[EspeonBB]

Little Mix seem more like a group than 5H if that makes sense

[Smithy]

She still has a career, her next single will most likely go to number 1

I'm talking about tulisa

[LukeB]

I'm talking about tulisa

oh flop, yeah she will definitely flop, she has no career anymore

[MB.]

Not Tulisa flopping defiantly

[Jamie89]

But she used the Voice all her #1 have come from appearances on Talent shows :hehe:

But this suggests that everyone who performs on talent shows go to #1, which isn't the case. She had a big leg up with her judging role but her popularity extends out further than the x factor fan base

[reece(:]

Poor ha! :fan:

[Amy Jade]

But this suggests that everyone who performs on talent shows go to #1, which isn't the case. She had a big leg up with her judging role but her popularity extends out further than the x factor fan base

Rita has proved this to be false, has she ever had a number one since Calvin Harris dumped her for better (and cleaner) things?

She was riding off the back of The Voice and X Factor, too.

[Z]

Cheryl and Rita are both now celebrities who happen to have music careers. The problem is that the UK doesn't produce popstars in the vein of American popstars so measuring them against each other is stupid - Jess Glynne has never done a choreographed performance in her life like Britney Spears but obviously the former would sing circles round the latter. The UK's all about the voice and the look rather than the performance artist spectacle and look so America brings out incredible all rounders who are the best at everything and that is celebrated and supported; whereas the UK is all about being a bit rough around the edges, we like to support the underdog, we like a bit of vulnerability and humility... it's why someone like Cher Lloyd is reviled in the UK for being up herself and cocky but managed to make some waves in the US for being confident and believing in herself... unfortunately, she can't dance and she's not that hot so she was never going to sell too well.

I mean, really, when have we ever produced a Beyonce or a Pink, somebody worth supporting for over a decade?

[Amy Jade]

Alexandra could sing and dance

[Jamie89]

Rita has proved this to be false, has she ever had a number one since Calvin Harris dumped her for better (and cleaner) things?

She was riding off the back of The Voice and X Factor, too.

I think with Cheryl though, when she joined the x factor she suddenly became a household name (which she wasn't before even with the success of girls aloud) and she was branded 'the nations sweetheart' etc, and people just fell in love with her a bit because she came across really well, and all of that gave her solo career a massive boost on it's launch. Whereas Rita's situation is different, in terms of where her careers at but also in that the X Factor doesn't have the same influence it did when Cheryl joined, and just personality wise, she's very different to Cheryl. So I'm not saying that a judging role will always give someone a leg up in the industry, I just think that specifically with Cheryl it did.

[LukeB]

I actually think Cher Lloyd calmed down, her 2nd album was much way mature but it flopped, is which a shame because it's better than her 1st album which did respectfully well.

[Gstar]

As much as I'm not really a fan, Ellie has a good couple of years left

[reece(:]

Jessie J could make a comeback

[EspeonBB]

I don't think the UK is alone in not producing any superstars. The US also hasn't produced a female popstar with star power since Gaga/Katy came out in 2008. Ariana is showing signs of fading already and Demi/Selena are kinda underperforming

[Gstar]

I actually think Cher Lloyd calmed down, her 2nd album was much way mature but it flopped, is which a shame because it's better than her 1st album which did respectfully well.

grammy's and stones remains the best, it also debuted in the top 10 on the billboard 200, from the top of my head it's only been her and 1D being the only non-winners from UK XF to achieve that

[Z]

I don't think the UK is alone in not producing any superstars. The US also hasn't produced a female popstar with star power since Gaga/Katy came out in 2008. Ariana is showing signs of fading already and Demi/Selena are kinda underperforming

Ariana had a slight misstep, I don't think she's fading whatsoever. Demi and Selena have never really 'made it' and I don't think they ever will but Selena seems to be getting a bit of traction over in the US so who knows. If Miley stops being weird she might return to knocking on the door of being in the A list... and I'd say that Taylor Swift's mammoth album campaign this year would be an example of a US star made this year - she's had hits before but this was her most successfull, all conquering era. The US is where superstars are made.

[Samm]

The world is awaiting for a new youthful female pop star

[Amy Jade]

I think with Cheryl though, when she joined the x factor she suddenly became a household name (which she wasn't before even with the success of girls aloud) and she was branded 'the nations sweetheart' etc, and people just fell in love with her a bit because she came across really well, and all of that gave her solo career a massive boost on it's launch. Whereas Rita's situation is different, in terms of where her careers at but also in that the X Factor doesn't have the same influence it did when Cheryl joined, and just personality wise, she's very different to Cheryl. So I'm not saying that a judging role will always give someone a leg up in the industry, I just think that specifically with Cheryl it did.
I was agreeing with you haha

[Smithy]

Meghan Trainor did quite well this year in terms of US stars :shrug: but neither her nor ariana are on the same level as gaga/katy were when they launched initially in 2009

[Z]

Meghan Trainor did quite well this year in terms of US stars :shrug: but neither her nor ariana are on the same level as gaga/katy were when they launched initially in 2009

Katy wasn't so instant though, in fact I'd say she wasn't really big until her Teenage Dream campaign whereas Gaga was pretty instant... as much as nobody seems to want to like her, Meghan Trainor has burst onto the scene whereas Ariana's slowly built up to becoming a big name...

[Black Dagger]

I miss Corine Bailey Rae

[EspeonBB]

Ariana had a slight misstep, I don't think she's fading whatsoever. Demi and Selena have never really 'made it' and I don't think they ever will but Selena seems to be getting a bit of traction over in the US so who knows. If Miley stops being weird she might return to knocking on the door of being in the A list... and I'd say that Taylor Swift's mammoth album campaign this year would be an example of a US star made this year - she's had hits before but this was her most successfull, all conquering era. The US is where superstars are made.

Yes Ariana can pull it back with a cute second single. Releasing Focus was a bad idea. I do think if Selena and Demi were to 'make it' they would have already done so, it's not as if they've lacked promo or hits the public just aren't here for them :shrug:

I agree with the BIB. There's lots of artists who are big in the UK/Europe but it's when you break America you know you've truly made it

[Pete.]

Cool for the Summer broke Demi

[Cal.]

Rita 2.0 is coming girls, no need to worry!

[andybigbro]

Ellie Goulding shouldn't be on that list.

[Shaun]

I mean, really, when have we ever produced a Beyonce or a Pink, somebody worth supporting for over a decade?

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[Jamie89]

I was agreeing with you haha

Oops :facepalm: I think I misread your post sorry :laugh:

[Z]

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It's still too soon :bawling: RIP :love:

[Denver]

Anyone who had a heart

[LukeB]

Jessie J should deffo be on that list,

Her 1st album sold over 1 million
her 2nd sold over 100k(not bad)
her 3rd sold like 60k... ouch

[Smithy]

She's that irrelevant I forgot about her