VTE or VTS

[sampvt]

Im guessing its gonna be VTS as this will pander to the likes of our Jeremy Kyle type viewers. VTE will get rid of the dregs and deliberately pre programmed reality experts quicker and maybe give us some fun and storylines might be allowed to develop naturally without the usual producer interference.

I might even not watch if the likes of Gemma Collins or some dumb arsed American reality nasty is involved and the VTS might push many people away.

Looking at whats rumoured, its looking like the prods are aiming at another bitchfest anyway, so Im leaning towards swerving it this year anyway, its getting all to hard to watch.

[Headie]

VTS > VTE

[sampvt]

VTS > VTE

What kind of reply is that, Im not getting the message.

[yourmn]

CBB is always VTS on C5

[Headie]

What kind of reply is that, Im not getting the message.

It means that VTS is better than VTE

[LukeB]

both are just as good/bad as the other.

[Pete.]

Both have faults, VTE will always be in my heart for evicting Marq when he would have won otherwise

[Lostie!]

I'm torn. Sure, VTS is more likely to keep the dramatic ones around for longer (but not always, as has been proved numerous times), but it also essentially rewards crappy behaviour. There's a definite satisfaction when a dick gets evicted with a landslide with VTE.

If I had to choose, I'd probably go for VTE as it's the format I mostly associate with Big Brother (and was the format that most of us were accustomed to before C5).

[Jason.]

I'm torn. Sure, VTS is more likely to keep the dramatic ones around for longer (but not always, as has been proved numerous times), but it also essentially rewards crappy behaviour. There's a definite satisfaction when a dick gets evicted with a landslide with VTE.

If I had to choose, I'd probably go for VTE as it's the format I mostly associate with Big Brother (and was the format that most of us were accustomed to before C5).

This.

I also prefer the sound of Who goes? You Decide, as opposed to Who stays? You Decide.

But VTS for CBB (even though it allows ***** like Perez, Katie H, Speidi, and James Jordan to make it further)

[Headie]

This.

I also prefer the sound of Who goes? You Decide, as opposed to Who stays? You Decide.

But VTS for CBB (even though it allows ***** like Perez, Katie H, Speidi, and James Jordan to make it further)

It's also saved people like Deana, Frenchy, Heaven, Janice, Chloe Jasmine, Lydia etc who all would've been evicted the first time they were nominated in a VTE.

Also I think VTE makes the show more hateful and makes you look for the bad in people rather than good. E.g. Adjoa evicted to heavy boos for eating an extra pack of crisps and using too much butter? Whereas had it been VTS she probably would've stayed and we would remember her for good qualities. People hated her fore talking about pussy, yet Charlotte was much more vulgar in a VTS series and ended up winning.

VTE gives the crowd even more reason to act like aggressive chavs and boo people for no reason.

I think VTS has not been given a fair chance in the normal series. We've had 14 VTE series and only 2 VTS series. Some VTE series have been amazing while others were awful. One VTS series was awful whilst the other was amazing. So I honestly think it needs more time and more opportunities to be used before we make a proper judgement.

[Maxxie.]

VTS for BB and CBB. One of few that c5 do better than c4.

[RichardG]

Both systems can produce bad results but recently (for CBB at least) I feel like VTS is more consistent and a lot of housemates who contributed a lot to their series would have been evicted far too early under VTE. CBB16's eviction order was almost perfect until the final week.

[Strictly Jake]

Vote to save

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't think VTE is nearly as detrimental as people act like it is, especially because a lot of the time the same people would get evicted in VTS. I do prefer VTE though, because I think VTS plays into the awful metagame of Be A Good Housemate that has plagued the last two years of BB.

[MB.]

VTS - they just have to not cast the kind of assholes who time and time again benefit from it

[Jason.]

It's also saved people like Deana, Frenchy, Heaven, Janice, Chloe Jasmine, Lydia etc who all would've been evicted the first time they were nominated in a VTE.

Also I think VTE makes the show more hateful and makes you look for the bad in people rather than good. E.g. Adjoa evicted to heavy boos for eating an extra pack of crisps and using too much butter? Whereas had it been VTS she probably would've stayed and we would remember her for good qualities. People hated her fore talking about pussy, yet Charlotte was much more vulgar in a VTS series and ended up winning.

VTE gives the crowd even more reason to act like aggressive chavs and boo people for no reason.

I think VTS has not been given a fair chance in the normal series. We've had 14 VTE series and only 2 VTS series. Some VTE series have been amazing while others were awful. One VTS series was awful whilst the other was amazing. So I honestly think it needs more time and more opportunities to be used before we make a proper judgement.

I think both formats are flawed tbh but I prefer VTS for CBB and VTE for BB. I don't think Adjoa would've survived with a VTS either way tbh, I mean she was up against Eileen (a quirky old woman) and Sarah (who at the time was quite a popular housemate), and then you had Adjoa. I just couldn't see her having a bigger fanbase to muster up enough votes than the other two housemates tbqh. And Charlotte won because she had a big fanbase (the GS following is huge, I mean look at Vicky's win in IAC). And I don't think the voting format has an effect on whether the crowd boo or not, I mean they simply boo anyone they dislike regardless if it's a VTS or VTE. I mean the crowd don't act any differently in CBB (which uses a VTS format) compared to BB (which uses the VTE format). The crowd is just as chavy and hostile in CBB than they are in BB.

[Lostie!]

Yeah, I don't think the voting format has any bearing on how vicious the crowd is personally.

[Jason.]

Also ik VTS has saved some decent people in BB like Deana for instance. But it also saved dicks like Conor numerous times (all landslide victories too) like him having almost 70% in the first eviction whilst leaving the other two fighting with like 0.5% between them and that awfully extreme margin between him and Shievonne. But in all honesty, I'd rather Conor had gone in Week 4 with a VTE (half his time in the house than a VTS had kept him in for) meaning he didn't plague the series even more and end up taking half the prize fund and Deana coming what like 6th place with a VTE like 3 days before the final and have a longer interview and the whole week on BOTS and that sort of stuff.

[Jason.]

Although the thought of Luke S placing higher than Deana actually horrifies me so, maybe not

[Macie Lightfoot]

Luke Scrase :love::love::love:

[Jamie89]

It means that VTS is better than VTE

:joker:

I think both have pros and cons. If I had to pick one though I'd say VTS. I'd rather think of it as "who do I want to keep" rather than "who do I want to get rid of".

[Jason.]

Also ik VTS has saved some decent people in BB like Deana for instance. But it also saved dicks like Conor numerous times (all landslide victories too) like him having almost 70% in the first eviction whilst leaving the other two fighting with like 0.5% between them and that awfully extreme margin between him and Shievonne. But in all honesty, I'd rather Conor had gone in Week 4 with a VTE (half his time in the house than a VTS had kept him in for) meaning he didn't plague the series even more and end up taking half the prize fund and Deana coming what like 6th place with a VTE like 3 days before the final and have a longer interview and the whole week on BOTS and that sort of stuff.

ooooh oh also forgot to add, at least this way is more satisfying than in reality because Conor having £50k whilst Deana leaves empty handed is really just...unjust. So at least this time Conor also leaves empty-handed. I mean Deana doesn't really lose much apart from a 3rd place Queen title and a 5 minute interview but then Conor loses £50k and is an irrelevant Week 4 boot, so why not?

[Jason.]

Or if BB13 was two years later, they'd just rig it for Deana and make that week a single eviction with just Ashleigh going, making it a 6 person final and then she'd come 3rd whilst Conor gets evicted in Week 4

yh I'm slowly turning this into a BB13 What if thread, but you get my point :laugh:

[sampvt]

VTS takes the power of the running order of the show out of the hands of the BGP. VTE is the BB format. Anything else has been contrived for financial gain and as a traditionalist, I hate change.

[Headie]

I don't know where this myth comes from that Conor would've been evicted if it was VTE.

I mean Week 1 was he irrelevant and up against two of the biggest characters, Lydia would've easily been evicted. Arron would've most likely gone in Week 4 as he had been getting the heaviest edit out of anyone and he had a really bad edit during the eviction highlights episode. And then Conor was up against Shievonne aka the angry black woman of the series who also had the biggest edit that week. And then Caroline would've gone in the 8-way eviction anyway :shrug:

Like I said, VTS needs to be tested more with the civilian series. It's impossible to compare 2 series of VTS with 14 series of VTE imo.

And I stand by the point I made in that VTE makes the show more hateful... you're paying to essentially show someone they're hated, where VTS is showing someone they're liked. It focuses on negatives rather than positive. It's easy to say "yeah but VTS keeps the dicks in..." er, yeah, but it also keeps other entertaining ones in who, whilst they might not be 'dicks', they would still easily being evicted in a VTE whereas they'd stay in a VTS. That's my opinion anyway.

Also another factor is noms twists making the whole house go up... if C5 really wanted to get the 'dicks' out then they could still do VTS but just do a head to head which is essentially a reverse VTE.

[Denver]

People want the show to go back to basics yet want VTS? :think:

[Lostie!]

People want the show to go back to basics yet want VTS? :think:

Yeah, I've raised this point myself in the past. The C4 series are generally much higher regarded than those on C5, but VTE is apparently inferior. I don't really get that

[Jason.]

I don't think Arron would've been evicted over somebody who'd threatened sexual assault and punching a woman in the face (both of which received thousands of complaints from viewers) just a week prior, regardless if Arron had an awful edit that week (I wouldn't know, I haven't seen it since it aired 4 years ago). But I think Conor was toast from then on had it been a VTE.

I'd like to think so because if he survived that ABCD eviction had it been a VTE, I'd actually be genuinely concerned about the GBP.

[Jason.]

But then again it was only two years later where Matthew was evicted over Ash (who'd been a prick the past 2 weeks (not that his behavior is in any way comparable with Conor's)) in a VTE, so I have a feeling you may be right :worry:

[Babayaro.]

I'd have VTE over VTS any day, it's what makes the show different to any other Reality TV programmes that use a public vote

[Headie]

People want the show to go back to basics yet want VTS? :think:

Yeah, I've raised this point myself in the past. The C4 series are generally much higher regarded than those on C5, but VTE is apparently inferior. I don't really get that

It's a pet peeve of mine when people say this, I really can't stand it :laugh:

Like I said, there's been 14 series of VTE, of course there's gonna be some amazing seasons and some awful seasons. You can be quick to say "BB6 was amazing, look at BB5, BB7 was awesome" etc. Are y'all forgetting BB2? BB4? Series that were practically ruined when all the big characters were evicted early.

When people say "back to basics" they refer to less twists, less manipulation etc. Also I don't understand why "it's tradition!!!!" is a valid argument for VTE :shrug:

[Denver]

It's a pet peeve of mine when people say this, I really can't stand it :laugh:

Like I said, there's been 14 series of VTE, of course there's gonna be some amazing seasons and some awful seasons. You can be quick to say "BB6 was amazing, look at BB5, BB7 was awesome" etc. Are y'all forgetting BB2? BB4? Series that were practically ruined when all the big characters were evicted early.

When people say "back to basics" they refer to less twists, less manipulation etc. Also I don't understand why "it's tradition!!!!" is a valid argument for VTE :shrug:

BBUK was promoted on the slogan "Who Goes You Decide" changing that slogan is changing the show in my eyes

[Headie]

I don't think Arron would've been evicted over somebody who'd threatened sexual assault and punching a woman in the face (both of which received thousands of complaints from viewers) just a week prior

No one thought Conor would be saved either due to those complaints. But he was. Arron would've been out regardless I reckon, but hey, that's the beauty of hindsight and value judgements :laugh:

[Jason.]

No one thought Conor would be saved either due to those complaints. But he was. Arron would've been out regardless I reckon, but hey, that's the beauty of hindsight and value judgements :laugh:

True true

[Headie]

Personally I'd rather watch a show where I really like a few and really hate a few (VTS) rather than have a series where I feel indifferent to everyone left in because all the 'dicks' have been evicted as well as all my favourites.

Meh idk why I'm arguing so strongly about it anyway, nothing I say will change anyone's opinion :laugh:

[Jason.]

Personally I'd rather watch a show where I really like a few and really hate a few (VTS) rather than have a series where I feel indifferent to everyone left in because all the 'dicks' have been evicted as well as all my favourites.

Meh idk why I'm arguing so strongly about it anyway, nothing I say will change anyone's opinion :laugh:

A BB16 tea?

[Strictly Jake]

Thinking about all the big characters we lost in bb16, Adjoa, the twins, Harriet, Sarah, Jade, Marc...) makes me want vote to save for every single series we need the big characters!

[EspeonBB]

I think VTE is better. I mean yes VTS does sometimes save amazing HMs like Deana but it also has some terrible results. For example if CBB15 was VTE then Katie H and Perez would have been evicted early and the series wouldn't have become all about their 'feud' which (at least for me) ruined the series. Plus imagine if BB16 was VTS then an asshole like Marc would have been crowned the winner :yuk:

I think for me at least it feels a bit more like BB when someone is voted off rather than voted to stay in (this is probably just a personal thing) and we have had amazing HMs like Gina and Ashleigh survive multiple evictions with VTE when in practice they should have been evicted

[Macie Lightfoot]

Thinking about all the big characters we lost in bb16, Adjoa, the twins, Harriet, Sarah, Jade, Marc...) makes me want vote to save for every single series we need the big characters!

oh please, half of those BIG CHARACTERS were awful, and the whole notion that we need big characters is kinda ruinous to the show since it encourages people to be unnecessarily loud assholes for the purpose of generating forced conflict.

[sampvt]

The celebs know what voting is being used and if they know its vote to SAVE, they just radar dive their way to the final. If the knew it was VTE, they would do something instead of risking being ladled useless and we get a show.

The shows ethos is built around the public having control on who stays and who goes, not who the producers want to stay.

WHY CANT THEY OPEN 2 VOTING SYSTEMS. If you want to evict someone, you phone one number, if you want to save them you ring another. Might sound confusing, but it would catch on and make them more money. Why wont they do that, easy, they want to have control of the way the show works which makes it scripted. BB or CBB is not supposed to be a scripted show with designed storylines. Its a social experiment that we the viewer get involved in.

[arista]

"will pander to the likes of our Jeremy Kyle type viewers."


How Nice

[sampvt]

"will pander to the likes of our Jeremy Kyle type viewers."


How Nice

Stop cherry picking my posts, this is the way arguments start. Free speech is allowed and JK comes in for loads of criticism on here so why single me out, it was a parallel comparison.

[arista]

Stop cherry picking my posts, this is the way arguments start. Free speech is allowed and JK comes in for loads of criticism on here so why single me out, it was a parallel comparison.


Sorry G.O.B


I would say its at a Higher level
More Thigh and up top

[joeysteele]

I prefer vote to save, and it will be for CBB,I doubt they would get celebrities going in to be voted to be evicted.
Not being saved sounds a bit better it seems.

[sampvt]

Sorry G.O.B


I would say its at a Higher level
More Thigh and up top

Please translate or is this an insult I am not supposed to understand. The bit about Thigh and up top is misleading.

[Jamie89]

WHY CANT THEY OPEN 2 VOTING SYSTEMS. If you want to evict someone, you phone one number, if you want to save them you ring another.

This is an excellent idea :clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

VTE for me everytime, fairest way of voting

[arista]

Please translate or is this an insult I am not supposed to understand. The bit about Thigh and up top is misleading.



Ass and Tits



No need to insult you G.O.B

[sampvt]

Ass and Tits



No need to insult you G.O.B

T.O.S.S.R

[sampvt]

VTE for me everytime, fairest way of voting

I agree, it is in the programmes ethos, WHO STAYS, YOU DECIDE. Not pay your money and we decide.