View Full Version : Nigel Farage calls for 'mass protest' over new alcohol guidelines
JoshBB
08-01-2016, 05:28 PM
(and shockingly doesn't blame the EU or immigration for once!!! :laugh:)
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/nigel-farage-is-angry-about-the-new-alcohol-guidelines-and-has-called-for-a-mass-protest--ZkZbtVGQfng?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100
I don't exactly understand what he wants to protest here.. this is a government guideline, to be taken simply as advice. You can take it or leave it. It's not a new law and you won't be punished for choosing to continue your usual drinking habits.
It's health advice for gods sake, they aren't making it up..
If he wants to drink himself to death then nobody's stopping him
Crimson Dynamo
08-01-2016, 05:44 PM
how come each country has a diff level?
its a load of old bollocks
Crimson Dynamo
08-01-2016, 05:46 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommended_maximum_intake_of_alcoholic_beverages
how come each country has a diff level?
its a load of old bollocks
Because different countries drink different amounts/have different levels of health care/give different levels of ****s about their people's kidneys
..it's almost as if Europe needs an international way of regulating laws...
Livia
08-01-2016, 06:07 PM
I'd have thought he'd have bigger fish to fry.
its only a friggin guideline, how much notice did people pay to it previously. People will continue to drink as they want, its not like the driving limit has changed .... yet
Kizzy
08-01-2016, 06:30 PM
Oh for gods sake! Is that all this cretin is bothered about? Of all the problems facing people in the UK, having no bed, food, electric, job.. the last thing on the minds of most is what dave thinks is an acceptable alcohol intake :/
Vicky.
08-01-2016, 06:50 PM
Its only guidelines anyway,. hes perfectly free to ignore them like most people do :p
Crimson Dynamo
08-01-2016, 07:15 PM
Because different countries drink different amounts/have different levels of health care/give different levels of ****s about their people's kidneys
..it's almost as if Europe needs an international way of regulating laws...
everyone drinks different amounts
a man in spain is the same as a man in the UK
the amounts should be the same?
Crimson Dynamo
08-01-2016, 07:16 PM
Oh for gods sake! Is that all this cretin is bothered about? Of all the problems facing people in the UK, having no bed, food, electric, job.. the last thing on the minds of most is what dave thinks is an acceptable alcohol intake :/
no Kizzy he was naturally asked about it and gave a honest opinion
one that most agree with
everyone drinks different amounts
a man in spain is the same as a man in the UK
the amounts should be the same?
But there's no point in proposing a limit of x pints a week for, say, Kuwait is there
Crimson Dynamo
08-01-2016, 07:20 PM
But there's no point in proposing a limit of x pints a week for, say, Kuwait is there
yes, a man in kuwait has the same liver and body as a man in Orkney
it makes no difference
its the same as smoking surely?
If it's the same as smoking then I don't see why anyone feels it needs to be protested
its a health guideline, like not having more than 2 eggs a day or whatever. Its an amount calculated based on a 1% chance of dying from taking that amount.
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to protest about it as its meant to inform people on how to live healthily, nothing more. Farage has clearly lost the plot.
Lostie!
08-01-2016, 07:24 PM
its a health guideline, like not having more than 2 eggs a day or whatever. Its an amount calculated based on a 1% chance of dying from taking that amount.
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to protest about it as its meant to inform people on how to live healthily, nothing more. Farage has clearly lost the plot.
If he had one to begin with. :laugh:
Crimson Dynamo
08-01-2016, 07:24 PM
If it's the same as smoking then I don't see why anyone feels it needs to be protested
well its not the same but you take my point that health guidelines are not border specific
Crimson Dynamo
08-01-2016, 07:24 PM
:worry: i am going to exceed my weekly limit tonight
If he had one to begin with. :laugh:
He couldn't have less of a plot if he were written by Steven Moffat
Farage is spot on, enough of the do gooders arguing for these stupid limits trying to make the majority of the population feel guilty about their drink intake. It's as bad as the calls for the lower drink driving limit or the self-righteous dry January plebs who are killing an industry that is very important to this country.
Yeah, bloody health professionals, doing their jobs :fist:
Vicky.
09-01-2016, 12:07 AM
Farage is spot on, enough of the do gooders arguing for these stupid limits trying to make the majority of the population feel guilty about their drink intake. It's as bad as the calls for the lower drink driving limit or the self-righteous dry January plebs who are killing an industry that is very important to this country.
Not sure if serious?
There should be a 0 limit for driving, IMO. I don't think this makes me self-righteous :umm2:
Not sure if serious?
There should be a 0 limit for driving, IMO. I don't think this makes me self-righteous :umm2:
Very serious Vicky: in Scotland you're basically over the limit if you have one pint and that is bloody ridiculous. A pub near me wrote an open letter to the PM about it:
The landlord of Britain’s best pub has written an open letter to David Cameron asking him to reject calls for a lower drink drive limit in England and Wales, claiming that the policy would drive his business into the ground and damage the rural economy.
Peter Tiley, who runs The Salutation Inn in Gloucestershire, said he was “not sure my pub will survive” if the legal limit was reduced to less than one pint of beer, arguing that stricter rules could prove to be the final nail in the coffin for the country’s “already beleaguered rural communities”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-cameron-urged-to-reject-calls-for-lower-drink-drive-limit-by-landlord-of-britains-best-pub-a6794486.html
And this is quite right. The idea that a pint or two at most will harm your driving to that extent is stupid and the vast majority of those who cause accidents are the idiots who drink about 6 pints and would do so whatever the legal limit was
Vicky.
09-01-2016, 12:13 AM
Very serious Vicky: in Scotland you're basically over the limit if you have one pint and that is bloody ridiculous. A pub near me wrote an open letter to the PM about it:
And this is quite right. The idea that a pint or two at most will harm your driving to that extent is stupid and the vast majority of those who cause accidents are the idiots who drink about 6 pints and would do so whatever the legal limit was
A pint would very much affect my ability to drive. Maybe not a blokes. But 2 or 3 pints completely screws me :laugh:
Why do people feel the need to drink ANYTHING when they are driving anyway? And how will this drive the pub business into the ground..smoking ban already did that, nothing else will hit them anywhere near as bad as that did :bored:
A pint would very much affect my ability to drive. Maybe not a blokes. But 2 or 3 pints completely screws me :laugh:
Why do people feel the need to drink ANYTHING when they are driving anyway? And how will this drive the pub business into the ground..smoking ban already did that, nothing else will hit them anywhere near as bad as that did :bored:
Because it is sociable, and if its a rural pub (and that pub the Salutation is literally in the middle of nowhere - it's not even a village where its based, its a hamlet) then that means you're probably going to have to drive and no one is going to visit a pub to sip half a pint of coke.
Vicky.
09-01-2016, 12:21 AM
Because it is sociable, and if its a rural pub (and that pub the Salutation is literally in the middle of nowhere) then that means you're probably going to have to drive and no one is going to visit a pub to sip half a pint of coke.
I would if I was driving :hmph:
Mind I have been pregnant and in pubs too often so I am probably more used to drinking pop than alcohol when out :joker:
JoshBB
09-01-2016, 12:25 AM
If you want to drink, don't drive. Nobody wants to be the asshole who hits someone with their car resulting in their death all because you wanted to have a beer.. if you want to go out for a drink, make sure you get a taxi/cab or have a designated driver. Easy and saves lives.
Next time you need to have a pint or two Vicky and rejoice in England (and Wales)'s higher drink-drive limit
joeysteele
09-01-2016, 12:29 AM
Farage is spot on, enough of the do gooders arguing for these stupid limits trying to make the majority of the population feel guilty about their drink intake. It's as bad as the calls for the lower drink driving limit or the self-righteous dry January plebs who are killing an industry that is very important to this country.
I am pleased to agree with just about all the post above,with the exception of the driving with drink part.
I do feel the time has come to have much stronger controls on that happening, I am a driver and if I go out with the car to a social event, I would never even have one alcoholic drink myself, regardless of strength of the alcohol content.
Just keep some funds in your pocket and then taxi home if going out drinking just my view but there it is.
Thing is though with rural pubs you only want to pop in for an hour or so and its not worth arranging a taxi but then again you go to sample the pub and its beer so you don't want to restrict yourself to soft drinks or whatever. The type of people who cause accidents on roads are not those who sample a pint or two and head home, they are the ones who sink a skinful and would do whatever the limit was.
Scarlett.
09-01-2016, 01:12 AM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02847/Lib-dems-esc_2847079a.jpg
Thing is though with rural pubs you only want to pop in for an hour or so and its not worth arranging a taxi but then again you go to sample the pub and its beer so you don't want to restrict yourself to soft drinks or whatever. The type of people who cause accidents on roads are not those who sample a pint or two and head home, they are the ones who sink a skinful and would do whatever the limit was.
That's not a justification for driving a vehicle while impaired. Even a small amount of alcohol can affect your ability to react. For the record, there are many things that impair your reactions, like being unwell, listening to a radio or phone, there is an endless list. Until we have driver less cars (which aren't far off now) driving should require complete concentration.
arista
09-01-2016, 05:43 AM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02847/Lib-dems-esc_2847079a.jpg
Remix on Fun
Yes Farage gets Votes
4 million - last time
kirklancaster
09-01-2016, 06:40 AM
Thing is though with rural pubs you only want to pop in for an hour or so and its not worth arranging a taxi but then again you go to sample the pub and its beer so you don't want to restrict yourself to soft drinks or whatever. The type of people who cause accidents on roads are not those who sample a pint or two and head home, they are the ones who sink a skinful and would do whatever the limit was.
:clap1::clap1::clap1: 100% correct again Matt.
You CANNOT legislate for selfishness, idiocy, or criminality.
We do not NEED more 'Nanny State' guidelines or advice or preaching - reasonably intelligent and decent people already KNOW not to get pissed and drive, like they KNOW that smoking tobacco products or injecting heroin or sticking darts in their eyes is harmful.
We do not NEED any more new laws - just full and proper IMPLEMENTATION of the laws which we ALREADY have, and that includes realistic sentencing for wilfully breaking those laws -- sentencing which is severe enough to both DETER and PUNISH.
Farage is correct.
Kizzy
09-01-2016, 05:10 PM
no Kizzy he was naturally asked about it and gave a honest opinion
one that most agree with
Naturally asked about it, as opposed to abnormally being asked about it?
Who are most? I would like to meet most I've heard a lot about them.
Kizzy
09-01-2016, 05:20 PM
What is clear is that even very small amounts of alcohol affect your driving. Drivers with even 20-50mg alcohol per 100ml of blood are at least three times more likely to die in a crash than those with no alcohol in their blood [8].Drivers with BAC of 10mg/100ml, far below the UK or European drink drive limit, are 46% more likely to be at fault in collisions than sober drivers [9], and when they crash, do more damage than sober drivers [10]. That’s why the only safe amount to drink if you’re driving is nothing at all – not a drop.
Male drivers – three quarters (75%) of drivers who fail breath tests following crashes are men [4], and twice as many men as women admit to drink-driving.
http://www.brake.org.uk/events/15-facts-a-resources/facts/1228-drink-driving
Crimson Dynamo
09-01-2016, 05:43 PM
Because it is sociable, and if its a rural pub (and that pub the Salutation is literally in the middle of nowhere - it's not even a village where its based, its a hamlet) then that means you're probably going to have to drive and no one is going to visit a pub to sip half a pint of coke.
Its killed business in Scotland for Golf Clubs and the rural pubs round my way, terrible decision
What is clear is that even very small amounts of alcohol affect your driving. Drivers with even 20-50mg alcohol per 100ml of blood are at least three times more likely to die in a crash than those with no alcohol in their blood [8].Drivers with BAC of 10mg/100ml, far below the UK or European drink drive limit, are 46% more likely to be at fault in collisions than sober drivers [9], and when they crash, do more damage than sober drivers [10]. That’s why the only safe amount to drink if you’re driving is nothing at all – not a drop.
Male drivers – three quarters (75%) of drivers who fail breath tests following crashes are men [4], and twice as many men as women admit to drink-driving.
http://www.brake.org.uk/events/15-facts-a-resources/facts/1228-drink-driving
Thanks Kizzy, thats what I was alluding to in my post, and who wants to be responsible for knocking down a kid after a Sunday lunch time pint. It will never happen has a remarkable frequency of happening.
user104658
09-01-2016, 10:30 PM
The defence of drink driving here... utterly barmy. It affects your reaction times, therefore stopping distances, therefore you're more likely to kill someone. Full stop. But oh no, we have to allow that because Bob wants a pint so Bob should be able to have a pint? Such is the depth of this country's (along with most of the world, it seems) unhealthy dependence on alcohol. It's seen as a bloody human right. Wtf.
The defence of drink driving here... utterly barmy. It affects your reaction times, therefore stopping distances, therefore you're more likely to kill someone. Full stop. But oh no, we have to allow that because Bob wants a pint so Bob should be able to have a pint? Such is the depth of this country's (along with most of the world, it seems) unhealthy dependence on alcohol. It's seen as a bloody human right. Wtf.
I am defending what is the current drink driving law in my country and saying it is appropriate, not exactly 'utterly barmy'
user104658
09-01-2016, 10:37 PM
I am defending what is the current drink driving law in my country and saying it is appropriate, not exactly 'utterly barmy'
The reasoning. If the reasoning was that it would demonstrably make no difference to reaction times, then fine. But the reasoning seems to be that it needs to be left alone because "Otherwise poor Ted won't be able to have a pint at a rural pub and drive home boo hoo"... yeah, that's utterly barmy to me. If it saves one life - **** Ted's "rural pint", tbqfh.
Crimson Dynamo
09-01-2016, 10:40 PM
The defence of drink driving here... utterly barmy. It affects your reaction times, therefore stopping distances, therefore you're more likely to kill someone. Full stop. But oh no, we have to allow that because Bob wants a pint so Bob should be able to have a pint? Such is the depth of this country's (along with most of the world, it seems) unhealthy dependence on alcohol. It's seen as a bloody human right. Wtf. so take it you dont ever eat and drive and you have never looked at your phone while driving?
:rolleyes:
user104658
09-01-2016, 10:44 PM
so take it you dont ever eat and drive and you have never looked at your phone while driving?
:rolleyes:
Eating whilst driving has nowhere near the effect of having 2 units of alcohol and no, ffs LT, you should not be looking at your phone whilst driving. I do know a girl who likes to text and drive... but she is a ****ing moron.
Crimson Dynamo
09-01-2016, 10:50 PM
Eating whilst driving has nowhere near the effect of having 2 units of alcohol and no, ffs LT, you should not be looking at your phone whilst driving. I do know a girl who likes to text and drive... but she is a ****ing moron.
Iv driven for many years and having a couple of pints is nothing compared to the distraction of a phone
I know quite a few coppers and they know the drunks. Drink driving from normal people aint no issue.
The reasoning. If the reasoning was that it would demonstrably make no difference to reaction times, then fine. But the reasoning seems to be that it needs to be left alone because "Otherwise poor Ted won't be able to have a pint at a rural pub and drive home boo hoo"... yeah, that's utterly barmy to me. If it saves one life - **** Ted's "rural pint", tbqfh.
Well believe it or not Ted not having his pint does make a real difference to businesses, livelihoods and communities. The facts are all there to see in Scotland about the impact that lowering the drink drive limit has had.
Obviously its safer to drive after having drank nothing than having drank something. It's also safer to drive after 8 hours sleep than 4. It's probably safer to drive in silence than with the radio blaring out. It's also obvious that alcohol contributes to a great deal of crime overall. If you obsessively try and control every aspect of peoples lives then there is a whole host of measures you could take in the name of protecting people. The limit we have in England is fine, its well understood and has done a very good job of reducing offences without punishing the vast majority for the actions of a tiny minority.
user104658
09-01-2016, 10:58 PM
Neh. Not here for pandering to the fact that people can't go out for a pub lunch without washing it down with alcohol. Nothing about this nation's relationship with alcohol is "fine"... it's a mess... and the fact that reducing the limit could genuinely have an effect on communities is only further evidence of how unhealthily embedded that cultural alcohol reliance is, to be honest. The fact that is exists does not make it good.
The only area in which I agree that it's an issue is the whole "morning after" problem - i.e. it's impossible to know exactly when your blood alcohol levels have dropped far enough to drive the next day. That's the only problem I can see though. No one "needs" to be drinking and driving on the same day... they just don't. Carpool and have a dedicated driver, rotate who that is each time you go.
I agree that there is plenty that is wrong with the country's relationship with alcohol but things like binge drinking and bargain supermarket prices are a far bigger part of that than Jerry (bored of Ted) who drives home after having a pint with his Sunday lunch
lostalex
10-01-2016, 10:27 AM
I need to drink a bit less. i don't mind these guidelines.
Crimson Dynamo
10-01-2016, 10:37 AM
I need to drink a bit less. i don't mind these guidelines.
Alex you exceed the weekly guidline in one fecking night
:fan:
I agree that there is plenty that is wrong with the country's relationship with alcohol but things like binge drinking and bargain supermarket prices are a far bigger part of that than Jerry (bored of Ted) who drives home after having a pint with his Sunday lunch
But this isn't what Nigel is campaigning against even. He is complaining at a health guideline which means nothing and has zero effect on anyone
Kizzy
10-01-2016, 12:20 PM
Has he got shares in a brewery or something? the only reason he'd kick off s royally is if it was going to hurt him in the pocket.
arista
10-01-2016, 12:27 PM
Iv driven for many years and having a couple of pints is nothing compared to the distraction of a phone
I know quite a few coppers and they know the drunks. Drink driving from normal people aint no issue.
yes but Up There
you ain't in a City
lostalex
10-01-2016, 01:26 PM
when i grow up ill be stable, when i grow up i'll turn the tables.
user104658
10-01-2016, 01:50 PM
Has he got shares in a brewery or something? the only reason he'd kick off s royally is if it was going to hurt him in the pocket.
It's hurt him in the beer belly; perhaps he likes to booze and exchange casually racist jokes over lunch.
kirklancaster
11-01-2016, 08:16 AM
Farage is not a racist - he's a realist.
I love how all the wealth of irrefutable evidence that Corbyn is not fit to be in British politics is still refuted by some, yet those same people decree Farage a 'racist' or 'xenophobe' without any substantion.
kirklancaster
11-01-2016, 09:21 AM
In a few years, if the Government bans ALL driving for anyone who is not TOTALLY alcohol-free - thereby ensuring that even social drinking is exclusive to those wealthy enough to be able to afford taxis or chaffeur driven limousines - will we have a hue and cry from the same people who are now ridiculing Farage?
In a few years, if the Government bans ALL driving for anyone who is not TOTALLY alcohol-free - thereby ensuring that even social drinking is exclusive to those wealthy enough to be able to afford taxis or chaffeur driven limousines - will we have a hue and cry from the same people who are now ridiculing Farage?
They can't make it zero alcohol as the human body always contains some traces .... but, I don't just include alcohol in this, its all things that can debilitate or distract the driver. One moment is all it takes. Its not about wealth or anything like that, its about people taking responsibility for being in control of a machine that can cause death to innocents.
joeysteele
11-01-2016, 09:39 AM
In a few years, if the Government bans ALL driving for anyone who is not TOTALLY alcohol-free - thereby ensuring that even social drinking is exclusive to those wealthy enough to be able to afford taxis or chaffeur driven limousines - will we have a hue and cry from the same people who are now ridiculing Farage?
If I am going out and want to have any drink, I usually go with 2 or 4 others, it doesn't then need to cost the earth to share taxis and fares.
Public transport too is available.
I have seen normally quiet people who with just 4 drinks have a kind of personality change and get more forceful and even argumentative.
I would not expect anyone to get in a car with me driving, if I had any drink,I wouldn't however ever drink and drive at all.
Also after witnessing accidents where the driver had been drinking and not always a great deal, I for sure would not get in a car with anyone else driving if I knew they'd had any alcohol.
No way.
Surely Nigel gets driven around most of the time anyway.
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