Did John bully Tiffany in tonight's episode?

[Headie]

I think he did. Danniella kind of did too. Tried to isolate her despite her apology.

Even when David told her to apologise and she said she would, Danniella was heard in the background "no, you must give Angie breathing space" :rolleyes:

And John basically tried to bully her out the house or get BB to eject her.

[Carl Jayson]

John is a disgusting little rat.

[Pete.]

Yes

[Jordan.]

Him pressuring her to quit had me uncomfortable

[Smithy]

Vicious little queen had me worried for tiffs safety!

[Cal.]

Certainly.

Ofcom will be contacted.

[LukeB]

Yes

[reece(:]

Yea he was vile

[Shaun]

I think he tried to but it was just a bit embarrassing / a non-event in the end.

[Vicky.]

Definitely. I know bully gets thrown around a LOT when it comes to BB but he was actually disgusting

[zakman440]

No but he was being a dick.

[Jason.]

Yes.

If someone is nasty to a housemate I like, it's bullying. :hmph:

[Black Dagger]

He was getting close. I thought the not even paying attention to her offering him a brew at the end was extremely petty.

[lewis111]

He purposefully tried to isolate her. She knew everyone was pissed with her but he felt the need to constantly remind her

[Headie]

Yes.

If someone is nasty to a housemate I like, it's bullying. :hmph:

He bullied my viewing pleasures tbh

[GiRTh]

Not really but he showed a few things tonight. It was ironic that he made the comment that Tiff had had enough airtime today when his little sit down with Tiff was for nothing other than airtime. He's a huge hypocrite.

[Denver]

I don't think he bullied her he just thinks he is the voice of god

[EspeonBB]

Yeah. He persuaded all the other housemates to isolate her and pressured her into leaving. And even when Tiff tried to make amends he still chose to ignore her

[jaxie]

No I don't think she was bullied. I think Tiffany behaved badly and everyone reacted to that badly as well.

[Tom4784]

Yes along with Daniella and Kristina. If someone's making amends you don't throw it in their faces or actively try to prevent them from doing so.

[wendywillow]

He bullied my viewing pleasures tbh



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[Amy Jade]

I would say yes, not in a direct way but he wanted to bully her out of the house and try and isolate her.

Kristina and Danniella were awful, too.

[joeysteele]

No, I think Tiffany is well able to take care of herself no matter how many are irritated or annoyed with her.

I can however understand how she thought Angie meant David in the house but once the true facts were made known, then Tiffany was very much in the wrong for me.

However no she wasn't bullied, and many did for a moment or two genuinely want her out the house.

[smudgie]

Yes, he was a first class bully. She tried to make amends and he was having none of it.
Trying to dictate that she should leave, who ruddy died and made him God?
Not him getting it wrong thinking this is what the public wants.:nono:

[reece(:]

Yes @ Kristina and Daniella being awful too

[chuff me dizzy]

Did he hell,she lied,he outed her ....simple as that

[Miranda123]

I think he did. Danniella kind of did too. Tried to isolate her despite her apology.

Even when David told her to apologise and she said she would, Danniella was heard in the background "no, you must give Angie breathing space" :rolleyes:

And John basically tried to bully her out the house or get BB to eject her.

what she actually said was "give Angie time to grieve, wtf?? they were divorced over 40 years ago and hated each other since then

and who the f..k is Danielle to steal the grief of his ACTUAL family and act like it belongs to a woman he couldnt stand the sight of?/

Danielle and John are really pissing me off!!

[smudgie]

what she actually said was "give Angie time to grieve, wtf?? they were divorced over 40 years ago and hated each other since then

and who the f..k is Danielle to steal the grief of his ACTUAL family and act like it belongs to a woman he couldnt stand the sight of?/

Danielle and John are really pissing me off!!

Spot on Miranda.
Looks like Angie is going to milk this.

[reece(:]

Did he hell,she lied,he outed her ....simple as that
She didn't lie she misconstrued :umm2:

[Calderyon]

No, but it was close to being it tbh.

[rionablue]

No, I think Tiffany is well able to take care of herself no matter how many are irritated or annoyed with her.

I can however understand how she thought Angie meant David in the house but once the true facts were made known, then Tiffany was very much in the wrong for me.

However no she wasn't bullied, and many did for a moment or two genuinely want her out the house.

AGREED :wavey:

[MTVN]

Nah and I don't think he did anything that bad really. Emotions were running high, he felt protective of Angie and when you feel a friend is having their grief exacerbated then you are going to take it seriously so he lashed out. He might have gone a bit far but in that moment he had a lot of people siding with him and he did confront her directly about it

[MB.]

No, but I still don't like how he handled the situation (nobody did handle it well, hence Tiffany falling by about eight places in my ranking)

[Heaven = Winner]

He was being a nasty piece of work with Tiffany. So was Kristina and to a slightly lesser extent, Danniella

[rusticgal]

No I don't think she was bullied. I think Tiffany behaved badly and everyone reacted to that badly as well.
Not everyone...

[Edna Mode]

How is he even in the house?

I thought he fell into the pits of Mordor trying to save the ring?

[jet]

Even when Tiffany learned that it was Angie's ex husband who had died, she stropped about, called Angie a bitch, laughed to herself in the garden and didn't offer Angie her condolences - which she should have done as soon as she knew the truth.
I think John and co. were just disgusted with her behaviour at the time, so it wasn't really bullying. Not that I'm keen on John, he seems very controlling and I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of that disapproving, intimidating stare of his...:unsure:

[BB4fan]

To be honest, I wouldn't say he 'bullied' anyone. Bullying someone is when you constantly pick on the same person over and over for days, which I haven't seen him do to her.

He was annoyed with her and she was annoyed with nearly the entire house and it was one of those days where neither of them were going to have a good thing to say to each other.

[BB4fan]

To be honest, I wouldn't say he 'bullied' anyone. Bullying someone is when you constantly pick on the same person over and over for days, which I haven't seen him do to her.

He was annoyed with her and she was annoyed with nearly the entire house and it was one of those days where neither of them were going to have a good thing to say to each other.

[Pink Pegasus]

I don't know. I didn't like Tiffany basically getting asked to leave the house by other housemates, but to me it looked like all of the housemates in the living room had been saying that they felt threatened and intimidated and didn't feel safe (I still want to know why they felt that way) and basically saying that they didn't want to stay there if Tiffany was there. I mean Kristina was even saying she didn't feel safe enough to sleep in the same bedroom with Tiff.

So John just seemed to be acting as spokesman for the group by saying "well that's it then, she has to leave, or we do" - I DON'T think it was something he came up with all by himself, it seemed to be after listening to all the housemates acting like they were scared for some reason and wanting her gone, then he stood up and said what he did. He just seemed to be going with what the general consensus of the group already was and nobody disagreed, they were more than happy to let him be spokesman and go in and speak on their behalf to Tiffany instead of saying it themselves to her.

He basically went and told Tiffany what the score was with the other housemates and what everybody was saying. At this point a huge majority of the house seemed disgusted and shocked by Tiffany's behaviour towards Angie and I can see why. She did act horrid by saying she wasn't apologising to that "old bitch" even after the misunderstanding had been cleared up. Even she herself knows she acted terribly which is why she apologised.

After Angie had accepted her apology that should have been the end of it though. People should have stayed out it after that or else maybe given her a chance to talk to them after Christopher asked, or maybe when she offered to help with dishes they could have softened.

But the actual beginning where Tiffany was acting like a bitch and the housemates were fuming with her and John basically told her what all the other housemates had been saying about not being happy with her staying in the house? I don't know if that part was bullying or just the housemates reacting angrily to Tiffany's behaviour with John just happening to be their spokesman at the time because they all seemed too afraid to go and talk to her themselves. (why they were all acting so afraid I've no idea, but John just seemed to be acting like the 'brave' one on behalf of his friends and telling Tiff what they were all thinking and saying anyways)

[coffee]

I haven't seen tonights ep yet and I can't remember who John is but I am FURIOUS if he is bullying my queen!!!!!

[rubymoo]

No i don't think he bullied her, but i do think he came across as really mean and unforgiving, and John was one of my favourites to win:(

Angie wasn't clear from the start and she decided to confide in the loudest HM, was it an overreaction on Tiff's part? Only Tiff knows that.

It was just a set of massive misunderstandings and i felt mad at him trying to tell her she should leave the house, he has no right to decide who should and shouldn't be in the house, and the others then saying they would leave if she wouldn't, grow up!

It was nice that Angie and Tiff hugged it out, and you can genuinely see that Tiff feels ostracized by the others, if Angie can hug it out and accept responsibility on her part then so should the others!

[Ammi]

....hmmm, no I don't think that he did bully her as such but I think that it was an isolated 'pack mentality' situation...because it was isolated and because of the situation and confusion that was in many of them at the time, I think others reactions/actions and taking part are much more forgivable than John's because he wasn't suffering any confusion and pretty much understood how the misunderstanding had happened from the start so him being such a big part of it was pretty grim and shabby....bullying though I think if it continues and she's isolated in any way...I honestly think that John used the situation to his own ends...to an extent, I think that Angie did as well, I mean before the whole misunderstanding because she seemed quite un-phased by the news ...they hadn't been together for many, many years and she's taken every opportunity to publicly express her bitterness toward him...but her upset was probably a delayed reaction thing and genuine....I don't know if it was the editing thing and BB but I would have liked to see her express a thought for her son who did have a relationship with his father and who she would have known was in deep grief...maybe she did but they just didn't show it...it would have shown a balance of respect to David and also to Duncan by BB if they had done though...

[Cbbanne]

What strikes me about John is he is a sh- t stirrer. He says one thing to the group and then goes to Tiffany and acts like he is just delivering the views of the others. Yet it was him and Daniella that stirred up the group to go against Tiffany. Let's face facts Angie is disgusting. Fake tears, fake grief! She is milking this for all it's worth. If you are a fan of David Bowie you would know he couldn't tolerate Angie. Angie has spent 40 years ripping apart David Bowies reputation etc to the point her own son won't speak with her. It is easy to google what Angie has said about David Bowie and also what David thought of her. In my opinion yes John can be at times a bully. He also is very two faced. I would get him out along with Daniella. They are both nasty. Them calling for Angie to be kicked out , then once Angie apologised and tried to be better still John and Daniella wouldn't accept her trying to make amends and they continued to try to isolate Tiffany. That is not on! Let's get the nasty housemates out, John Angie And Daniella! Just my opinion.

[Cherie]

what she actually said was "give Angie time to grieve, wtf?? they were divorced over 40 years ago and hated each other since then

and who the f..k is Danielle to steal the grief of his ACTUAL family and act like it belongs to a woman he couldnt stand the sight of?/

Danielle and John are really pissing me off!!

And Kristina!

[Ammi]

...welcome to the forum Cbbanne/your first post...the reasons though that Duncan has basically disowned his mother though for so long is not to do with any feelings/things said between David and Angie though, it's more specific than that, I think...not the time or place though out of respect to all of the family...

[Cherie]

If John really felt there was only one option left then he should have gone to the DR to express his views, it's not his place to tell a HM they "have to leave", he has no authority to do that, so I do think his intention was to lay down his marker as head of house and in so doing he did try to bully her into making a snap decision to leave by making her feel the whole house wanted her gone.

[Slevin]

no but he was being a massive dick thats for sure. she acted like a bitch as well even after the misunderstanding came out.

[Matress]

He was well wivin his rights. She deserves everyfin comin her way. Her bollox don't wash wiv anyone.

Oh yes and Angie should have left the house immediately after being notified of her ex-husbands death out of respect to her son.

[Patricia4]

He think's he's in charge vile person.

[chuff me dizzy]

What people are forgetting is ,she has made her money from being vile, she entered the house saying she would wipe the floor with everyone ,then withered ,which one is the act ? she is not a shy,weak little woman she's a vile creature who can dish it out but not take it back

[MrWong]

If John really felt there was only one option left then he should have gone to the DR to express his views, it's not his place to tell a HM they "have to leave", he has no authority to do that, so I do think his intention was to lay down his marker as head of house and in so doing he did try to bully her into making a snap decision to leave by making her feel the whole house wanted her gone.

That's how I saw it.

[Kazanne]

No,lol,he was very angry,we all say that kind of thing in anger so NO he didn't 'bully' her,anyway I though she was some big 'I am' from the hood,so how could she ever be bullied,I am still waiting to see her fiestyness,she seems like any ordinary Joe to me, infact quite subservient .

[chuff me dizzy]

No,lol,he was very angry,we all say that kind of thing in anger so NO he didn't 'bully' her,anyway I though she was some big 'I am' from the hood,so how could she ever be bullied,I am still waiting to see her fiestyness,she seems like any ordinary Joe to me, infact quite subservient .

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/darrens-not-boring-day-8

Not the big I am from the hood in this ,watch her grovel round Darren when he confronts her !!!!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think he did in order to make the others like him

he was shown up to be a spineless coward

[MTVN]

I don't know. I didn't like Tiffany basically getting asked to leave the house by other housemates, but to me it looked like all of the housemates in the living room had been saying that they felt threatened and intimidated and didn't feel safe (I still want to know why they felt that way) and basically saying that they didn't want to stay there if Tiffany was there. I mean Kristina was even saying she didn't feel safe enough to sleep in the same bedroom with Tiff.

So John just seemed to be acting as spokesman for the group by saying "well that's it then, she has to leave, or we do" - I DON'T think it was something he came up with all by himself, it seemed to be after listening to all the housemates acting like they were scared for some reason and wanting her gone, then he stood up and said what he did. He just seemed to be going with what the general consensus of the group already was and nobody disagreed, they were more than happy to let him be spokesman and go in and speak on their behalf to Tiffany instead of saying it themselves to her.

He basically went and told Tiffany what the score was with the other housemates and what everybody was saying. At this point a huge majority of the house seemed disgusted and shocked by Tiffany's behaviour towards Angie and I can see why. She did act horrid by saying she wasn't apologising to that "old bitch" even after the misunderstanding had been cleared up. Even she herself knows she acted terribly which is why she apologised.

After Angie had accepted her apology that should have been the end of it though. People should have stayed out it after that or else maybe given her a chance to talk to them after Christopher asked, or maybe when she offered to help with dishes they could have softened.

But the actual beginning where Tiffany was acting like a bitch and the housemates were fuming with her and John basically told her what all the other housemates had been saying about not being happy with her staying in the house? I don't know if that part was bullying or just the housemates reacting angrily to Tiffany's behaviour with John just happening to be their spokesman at the time because they all seemed too afraid to go and talk to her themselves. (why they were all acting so afraid I've no idea, but John just seemed to be acting like the 'brave' one on behalf of his friends and telling Tiff what they were all thinking and saying anyways)

Good post

[Matress]

He did the right thing in trying to make her understand how wrong she was. Its nowhere near bullying. If she behaves that bad she can expect that type of response. She was bullying Angie and upsetting everybody in the house. She took far too long to apologize.

Her Bollox don't wash wiv anyone.

[wendywillow]

john is a raging a**hole and tried to rally the troops to get her out...pretty bully-ish. glad to see tiff was able to dig herself out of the hole

[Splashy]

Not bully, just being an idiot.

Some HMs were still reeling from being told without any warning or chance to prepare for her emotionally delivered false news. I think became thought she was being malicious, she didnt help herself turning it back on Angie.

His noms will do for him anyway, going for a rival from his own business was crass imo.

[Livia]

No!

Did Tiffany bully Angie? YES!

And that's just from the highlights we saw. Tiffany's behaviour was appalling, she was angry, aggressive and unapologetic. I would have felt the same as everyone and wanted her OUT. If that makes me a racist or a supporter of bullies then there is no hope for the world.

[cheapbbfan]

Yes. Who the hell made him ambassador of the house?

[Vanessa]

John is a manipulative creep. Sorry, but after last night i can't stand the guy. Now he decides when people go to bed and when they leave the House? And pn top of that he nominates "friend" Darren :fist:

[Livia]

None of the housemates seem put out that John became the spokesperson. Having one person give the views of the entire group - and they all felt the same - is much better than them all screaming and shouting. Everyone was calm... except Tiffany. I'm not a fan of John but I don't see he did anything wrong last night.

[Vanessa]

None of the housemates seem put out that John became the spokesperson. Having one person give the views of the entire group - and they all felt the same - is much better than them all screaming and shouting. Everyone was calm... except Tiffany. I'm not a fan of John but I don't see he did anything wrong last night.

I just find him very controlling. It would drive me mad if i was there.

[Livia]

I just find him very controlling. It would drive me mad if i was there.

All it takes is one of them to say John, you do not speak for me.


Hey Ness x

[Vanessa]

All it takes is one of them to say John, you do not speak for me.


Hey Ness x

Hello! :wavey: Also him nominating his closest friends? He's a game player and wants to win. Nothing wrong with that, but i think you should not nominate your friends without a valid reason.

[Livia]

Hello! :wavey: Also him nominating his closest friends? He's a game player and wants to win. Nothing wrong with that, but i think you should not nominate your friends without a valid reason.

Oh God, I agree... he's not a nice person. I just don't think people had a problem with him speaking for them yesterday.

[Vanessa]

Oh God, I agree... he's not a nice person. I just don't think people had a problem with him speaking for them yesterday.

I hope they wise up to him.

[Jessica.]

Vicious little queen had me worried for tiffs safety!

This

[Denver]

Funny hpw Tiffany is getting away with her bullying Angie

[minny03]

John was a complete asshole. Why was he ganging up on Tiffany like that? He seems like the one that wanted airtime from the way he was acting by trying to look like 'the good guy.'

He was totally putting on a show and making the situation worse. Why try to kick her out of the house when you could've simply had a group meeting later on as tempers calmed down a bit? He's an egotistical snake.

[Headie]

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[Vanessa]

This guy is a bully, no question. :nono:

[ThriceShy]

None of the housemates seem put out that John became the spokesperson. Having one person give the views of the entire group - and they all felt the same - is much better than them all screaming and shouting. Everyone was calm... except Tiffany. I'm not a fan of John but I don't see he did anything wrong last night.



We get it. You don't like Tiffany.:laugh:

[empire]

I feel that john and tiffany are both, very two faced, and very calculating with the sympathy vote, in what john had said was not racist, but he brought his true colours out, when winston left, he said that winston singled him out because he was gay, but I never saw once, winston single him out, he never had a problem with him, the same with tiffany, she said that he did not creep her out, the second he left, she said to john that he creeped her out, both seem to have the same personality, and want more air time, tiffany seems very insecure with white people, you can see it in her body language, john tries to hide his real insecure look, and it makes him even more fake, I put my doubt's about bullying, but both clash because they want the same thing.