I really believe that was about racism

[ThriceShy]

I am not one of these hysterical types who cries racism at the slightest thing but looking at that episode as a whole I definitely think there were racist motives to what went on.

Every stereotype came out, John with the plate of chicken, them all claiming to be scared of Tiffany, the laziness thing about tiffany not helping round the house.

And the incident that led to all this just wasn't bad enough. She was being treated as badly as shahbaz and all she had done was be involved in a misunderstanding and shout at a few people.

You also have to think it is a bit of a coincidence that the 2 black housemates, Winston and tiffany, have both been ganged up on and attempted to be rid of just because of a single incident.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Of course. If she was white more than one would have conrnered her and petted her talmbout "it was a simple mistake hun" "For 30 seconds I thought it was David here too"

[Vicky.]

I don't think it was at all, though I havent heard the chicken thing so the jurys still out on that for now

I fail to see how the Winston thing can be blamed on racism tbh

[Denver]

What if they were cooking chicken for dinner?

[seanraff07]

Don't think it was racism, but bullying - yes.

[Pete.]

The chicken comment was a tad racist

[Amy Jade]

I didn't hear it but it was bullying and manipulative.

[Stevep]

Nothing to do with racism, more to do with a clash of cultures i feel. Tiffany herself said she has no common ground with any of the HMs the other night, therefore sadly she has become isolated. After she completely lost it tonight it's only natural for the others to side with Angie.

It's also worth noting that Jonathan chose Tiffany for immunity yesterday and tonight called her bonkers for her reaction, that alone demonstrates how bad/nasty her reaction may have been.

[SDJ85]

I am not one of these hysterical types who cries racism at the slightest thing but looking at that episode as a whole I definitely think there were racist motives to what went on.

Every stereotype came out, John with the plate of chicken, them all claiming to be scared of Tiffany, the laziness thing about tiffany not helping round the house.

And the incident that led to all this just wasn't bad enough. She was being treated as badly as shahbaz and all she had done was be involved in a misunderstanding and shout at a few people.

You also have to think it is a bit of a coincidence that the 2 black housemates, Winston and tiffany, have both been ganged up on and attempted to be rid of just because of a single incident.


I agree 100% that there were racist motives present - and I say that as a white British male. It is terrible that Big Brother has allowed such blatant bullying to occur. I do not think that Tiffany over-reacted in the slightest, nor was she aggressive - if everybody ganged up on me like that I would've probably reacted worse in the heat of the moment.

You could see that she was truly sorry for the misunderstanding, and the offering of her condolences to Angie was clearly more genuine than anybody else's.

It was very difficult to watch this poor girl, having been isolated by the group - who clearly will do whatever nasty John says, attempt to be the bigger person and make amends with her fellow housemates, only to be shunned once again.

I hate to say it, but I do not think it's a coincidence that the two black housemates have been unfairly ganged up on. Ok - so Winston's views may have been controversial, but he is absolutely entitled to those views.

If he or Tiff were white or gay, things would not have escalated the way they have. FACT.

This is bigger that Big Brother. It's 2016 - this sort of thing should not be happening. It is shocking to see.

First time I've ever posted on here but I felt so strongly about what I saw that I needed to vent!

[Northern Monkey]

No racism there.Just a pack mentality.People are way too quick to shout racism in this country.

[Livia]

The chicken comment was a tad racist

It's not only black people who eat chicken. Maybe they had chicken for their last meal? Maybe they were having it for the next! Makes me laugh that people can find excuses to call someone a racist without any basis at all.

[lostalex]

I don't think it was about racism. I think it was about the fact that everyone has felt like Tiffany has been lazy around the house when it comes to chores and helping out, and this was just an excuse to finally confront her and rally around getting her out. I think they were frustrated because they all planned on nominating her, but she got the immunity and so they all feel vulnerable because they can't nominate her.

It's much more about the fact that they all planned on nominating her and having her evicted, but now they are all more vulnerable because they can't nominate her and one of them will be evicted instead.

and let's face it, they will get the americans out first. angie, tiffany, and david will be nominated every time, i garuntee it. the brits always put the americans up first.

[MrWong]

Johnathan was angry when he said it so maybe.

Wish we knew what they had for dinner.

[Livia]

Winston McKenzie says gay adoption is tantamount to child abuse and there are howls of protest and threads dedicated to his right to freedom of expression. A white man makes a seemingly innocuous comment about a plate of chicken and he's racist. You really couldn't make it up.

[lostalex]

Winston McKenzie says gay adoption is tantamount to child abuse and there are howls of protest and threads dedicated to his right to freedom of expression. A white man makes a seemingly innocuous comment about a plate of chicken and he's racist. You really couldn't make it up.

it's just contrarianism.

[Denver]

You ask any black person if they found that racist and 99% would say no and I know for sure my Grandad was not offended

[SDJ85]

I just asked my black roommate what he thought and he agreed that the house is starting to come across that way, so I guess he must be the 1%.

[Denver]

I just asked my black roommate what he thought and he agreed that the house is starting to come across that way, so I guess he must be the 1%.
I honestly think you made this statement up

[Livia]

I just asked my black roommate what he thought and he agreed that the house is starting to come across that way, so I guess he must be the 1%.

Turning on someone because they're a **** is not racism. I reckon whatever colour Tiffany was, the reaction to her behaviour would have been the same.

[Denver]

Turning on someone because they're a **** is not racism. I reckon whatever colour Tiffany was, the reaction to her behaviour would have been the same.

Wasn't the racism card played last year when Adjoa was evicted first? :think:

[lime]

No it was not racist at all...ffs I wish people knew what racism was before they threw this word around....

[Niamh.]

I missed the chicken thing, what was that?

[bots]

I missed the chicken thing, what was that?

John said something along the lines of she just wants to eat her chicken. If we only knew if chicken was being cooked for dinner, it could be dismissed immediately. He was saying it with demeaning intent which is what raises a little flag with me

[Cherie]

I missed the chicken thing, what was that?

John said she just hung around waiting for a plate of chicken which I took to mean she didn't contribute to the cooking but apparently there are underlying racist tones, I dislike the guy but I think he really just meant she is lazy :laugh:

[ThriceShy]

Winston McKenzie says gay adoption is tantamount to child abuse and there are howls of protest and threads dedicated to his right to freedom of expression. A white man makes a seemingly innocuous comment about a plate of chicken and he's racist. You really couldn't make it up.

It isn't innocuous. It is a well known stereotype.

Putting any racism aside for a moment.....do you really believe that John has behaved better than Winston?

Winston simply gave his opinion when forced into it by BB. He was completely respectful. John has proved himself to be a vile and crual person who seems to take delight in ostracising people.

[Niamh.]

John said something along the lines of she just wants to eat her chicken. If we only knew if chicken was being cooked for dinner, it could be dismissed immediately. He was saying it with demeaning intent which is what raises a little flag with me

John said she just hung around waiting for a plate of chicken which I took to mean she didn't contribute to the cooking but apparently there are underlying racist tones, I dislike the guy but I think he really just meant she is lazy :laugh:

Oh ok well if he did say that then yeah that's pretty racist

[ThriceShy]

John said she just hung around waiting for a plate of chicken which I took to mean she didn't contribute to the cooking but apparently there are underlying racist tones, I dislike the guy but I think he really just meant she is lazy :laugh:


But the problem is that in a house of 16 people I find it very hard to believe that Tiffany is the only lazy one.

[Niamh.]

It isn't innocuous. It is a well known stereotype.

Putting any racism aside for a moment.....do you really believe that John has behaved better than Winston?

Winston simply gave his opinion when forced into it by BB. He was completely respectful. John has proved himself to be a vile and crual person who seems to take delight in ostracising people.

I could understand John reaction to Winstons opinions because he is a gay man and it was personally offensive to him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.imgflip.com/7gfo7.jpg

[Niamh.]

It's not always a race card LT, Racism does actually exist. That comment from John sounded a bit dodgy to me

[Denver]

It's not always a race card LT, Racism does actually exist. That comment from John sounded a bit dodgy to me

They was cooking chicken

[Livia]

It's not always a race card LT, Racism does actually exist. That comment from John sounded a bit dodgy to me

If they'd been talking to me and said "her next plate of bagels" would I have been screaming racism? No.

[Cherie]

But the problem is that in a house of 16 people I find it very hard to believe that Tiffany is the only lazy one.

True I can't see Chevan doing too much or Gemma

[ThriceShy]

If they'd been talking to me and said "her next plate of bagels" would I have been screaming racism? No.

Is eating bagels a well known racial stereotype?

[Northern Monkey]

If they'd been talking to me and said "her next plate of bagels" would I have been screaming racism? No.

Or if they said 'He just wants a plate of yorkshire puddings'
Would i have screamed racism?
No

[lime]

It's not always a race card LT, Racism does actually exist. That comment from John sounded a bit dodgy to me



they were making chicken for dinner...how is that dodgy.

[Livia]

Is eating bagels a well known racial stereotype?

I'm Jewish, bagels and Jewish... it's about as racially stereotypical as the Chicken thing.

[Cherie]

It's not always a race card LT, Racism does actually exist. That comment from John sounded a bit dodgy to me

They might have been cooking chicken though

[cheapbbfan]

BB UK is one of the most racist programs out there. They ALWAYS come for the black women. I was utterly disgusted with the way the entire house turned on Tiffany

[Niamh.]

they were making chicken for dinner...how is that dodgy.

Oh ok, fair enough

[Livia]

BB UK is one of the most racist programs out there. They ALWAYS come for the black women. I was utterly disgusted with the way the entire house turned on Tiffany

Everyone turned on Tiffany because she was acting like an insensitive idiot. Especially after she knew the truth. I strongly disagree that BB is racist in anyway and frankly I'm bored STIFF with the suggestion that it is.

[bots]

If they'd been talking to me and said "her next plate of bagels" would I have been screaming racism? No.

But, over and over again chicken has been used as a racial slur. I know it seems ludicrous given it's an every day item, but there it is. See, everything about racist remarks is about the intention when used in my opinion, and less to do with the words themselves.

[Niamh.]

But, over and over again chicken has been used as a racial slur. I know it seems ludicrous given it's an every day item, but there it is. See, everything about racist remarks is about the intention when used in my opinion, and less to do with the words themselves.

yeah I agree with that but tbf if they were actually eating chicken for dinner then it probably wasn't in this case

[Northern Monkey]

Wasn't the racism card played last year when Adjoa was evicted first? :think:

Any excuse.Any time there is a person who is not white in the house somebody screams "racist!" When infact there have been very few cases of racism in there.
People have their hand in their pocket on that racism card every time they watch just looking for any slight reason that it might be acceptable to pull it out.

[lime]

But, over and over again chicken has been used as a racial slur. I know it seems ludicrous given it's an every day item, but there it is. See, everything about racist remarks is about the intention when used in my opinion, and less to do with the words themselves.


Anyone that sees eating chicken is a racial slur does not understand racism.As a South African ...trust me ...that does not even come on the radar when it comes to racial slurs

[lime]

Oh ok, fair enough




See this is the problem with Corkonians who beleive that cork is the capital of the republic:joker::joker::joker:

[ThriceShy]

I'm Jewish, bagels and Jewish... it's about as racially stereotypical as the Chicken thing.

No it isn't.:conf:

[lostalex]

It's not always a race card LT, Racism does actually exist. That comment from John sounded a bit dodgy to me

being a bit dodgy doesn't warrant being accused of racism though, especially these days where being accused of racism is basically worse than being called a pedophile. it's like saying... oh that guy holding a kid looks a bit dodgy, he might be her father, but even so, let's just accuse him of being a pedophile just in case!

[lostalex]

No it isn't.:conf:

actually it is. everyone knows that bagels are super jewey.

[Livia]

No it isn't.:conf:

Erm... yes it is.

Google it so as not to make yourself look even more silly.

[cassieparis]

Oh here we go!!
Black people are victimized in the BB house because they're different and what happens?
They get accused of playing cards.

Or those that wished to defend them from the racists are card players too!!!
In order to play the race card you have to be in a "game" of race with other players, no?

You'd think Britain was a society free of racism where everybody lived happily welcoming refugees. Please!!

There are some deep seated serial deniers here. Nothing is ever racist in their universe.
I see you!!!!

[Livia]

actually it is. everyone knows that bagels are super jewey.

Super jewey LOL... I like that. I'm nicking it.

[Niamh.]

See this is the problem with Corkonians who beleive that cork is the capital of the republic:joker::joker::joker:

We've just gone independent now instead, we're our own little country :hee:

[Livia]

Oh here we go!!
Black people are victimized in the BB house because they're different and what happens?
They get accused of playing cards.

Or those that wished to defend them from the racists are card players too!!!
In order to play the race card you have to be in a "game" of race with other players, no?

You'd think Britain was a society free of racism where everybody lived happily welcoming refugees. Please!!

There are some deep seated serial deniers here. Nothing is ever racist in their universe.
I see you!!!!

On the other hand, there are the people who perceive racism everywhere even where none exists.

I see you too! But only till I get to the ignore button.

[Niamh.]

being a bit dodgy doesn't warrant being accused of racism though, especially these days where being accused of racism is basically worse than being called a pedophile. it's like saying... oh that guy holding a kid looks a bit dodgy, he might be her father, but even so, let's just accuse him of being a pedophile just in case!

I didn't say it did lol I was just saying that it was a bit dodgy :fist: (or would have been if they hadn't actually been eating chicken)

[MrWong]

they were making chicken for dinner...how is that dodgy.

Were they? I saw no references to that :conf:

[jaxie]

It isn't innocuous. It is a well known stereotype.

Putting any racism aside for a moment.....do you really believe that John has behaved better than Winston?

Winston simply gave his opinion when forced into it by BB. He was completely respectful. John has proved himself to be a vile and crual person who seems to take delight in ostracising people.

It's actually not a well known stereotype in the UK. I'd never heard of it before and I use the internet! Also it sounds a rather stupid stereotype. I eat a lot of chicken, its healthier than red meat. What's up with chicken?

Maybe I'm naive but I think shouting racism for every little thing is more of an issue than a comment about chicken dinners. Its like looking for a problem that isnt there yet. Just treating people the same whatever their colour is the way it ought to be.

[lime]

Were they? I saw no references to that :conf:

I thougt I heard The girl from SCD ask about how she would make the chicken:conf:

[bots]

Anyone that sees eating chicken is a racial slur does not understand racism.As a South African ...trust me ...that does not even come on the radar when it comes to racial slurs

In the USA its used extensively as a slur. I'm not defending it, i'm just saying its there, and combined with John's demeaning intent at the time, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility.

I would take it a stage further actually, and say it doesn't matter a **** what words were being used, John's intention was to put down Tiff and target it her for animosity. Its then up to everyone to decide if he was being reasonable or not.

[ThriceShy]

It's actually not a well known stereotype in the UK. I'd never heard of it before and I use the internet! Also it sounds a rather stupid stereotype. I eat a lot of chicken, its healthier than red meat. What's up with chicken?

Maybe I'm naive but I think shouting racism for every little thing is more of an issue than just treating people the same whatever their colour.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_African_Americans#Fried_chicken

[MrWong]

I thougt I heard The girl from SCD ask about how she would make the chicken:conf:

Think I'll watch the repeat.

[jaxie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_African_Americans#Fried_chicken

I still think it's a ridiculous stereotype. And we aren't American so that stereotype probably wouldn't occur to anyone in the house.

[lime]

In the USA its used extensively as a slur. I'm not defending it, i'm just saying its there, and combined with John's demeaning intent at the time, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility.

I would take it a stage further actually, and say it doesn't matter a **** what words were being used, John's intention was to put down Tiff and target it her for animosity. Its then up to everyone to decide if he was being reasonable or not.

Don't get me wrong...I think John is a knob.But as a Boer I don't find it offensive when folk talk about the food we eat and I don't know any black or coloured person in SA that would find it racist to talk about what each group of etnicity ate

[lostalex]

It's actually not a well known stereotype in the UK. I'd never heard of it before and I use the internet! Also it sounds a rather stupid stereotype. I eat a lot of chicken, its healthier than red meat. What's up with chicken?

Maybe I'm naive but I think shouting racism for every little thing is more of an issue than a comment about chicken dinners. Its like looking for a problem that isnt there yet. Just treating people the same whatever their colour is the way it ought to be.

i think it's specifically fried chicken...because it's originally from the south, and a lot of southern cuisine was invented by the black cooks working for whites...plus because slaves were given the scraps of meat, they tended to deep fry them to make it taste better because they were given the worst foods, so they did whatever they could to add flavor. they fried everything in the left over fat to add flavor. that's basically where all soul food comes from.

but yea, fried chicken is definitely associated with black people.

[ThriceShy]

i think it's specifically fried chicken...because it's originally from the south, and a lot of southern cuisine was invented by the black cooks working for whites...plus because slaves were given the scraps of meat, they tended to deep fry them to make it taste better because they were given the worst foods, so they did whatever they could to add flavor. they fried everything in the left over fat to add flavor. that's basically where all soul food comes from.

but yea, fried chicken is definitely associated with black people.

Yep, I certainly knew about the stereotype and knew what john was getting at immediately.

There is also a well known watermelon stereotype too.

[lostalex]

Super jewey LOL... I like that. I'm nicking it.

A bagel with cream cheese and lox. I'm in super jewey heaven.

only the jews can make fish for breakfast taste nice!

[cassieparis]

On the other hand, there are the people who perceive racism everywhere even where none exists.

I see you too! But only till I get to the ignore button.

Yeah and you know what else you can do don't you?
Tastes nice :hehe:

But you aren't talking to me

[Stevep]

Oh here we go!!
Black people are victimized in the BB house because they're different and what happens?
They get accused of playing cards.

Do you not see anything wrong with the way Tiffany reacted last night? If you had lost someone significant in your life, would you appreciate someone ranting and raving at you? Her race has nothing to do with the group rounding on her, it was her extremely distasteful and inappropriate reaction to someone that was grieving.

[lostalex]

Yeah and you know what else you can do don't you?
Tastes nice :hehe:

But you aren't talking to me

wow, so mature and on topic, next you are gone tell her to ucksay your ickday because of course if you say it in a childish code it's super clever. :dance: homosaywhat?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you not see anything wrong with the way Tiffany reacted last night? If you had lost someone significant in your life, would you appreciate someone ranting and raving at you? Her race has nothing to do with the group rounding on her, it was her extremely distasteful and inappropriate reaction to someone that was grieving.

yep and her inability to see beyond her own nose that someone had lost a husband and the world a great star


you could not make it up

[cassieparis]

wow, so mature and on topic, next you are gone tell her to ucksay your ickday because of course if you say it in a childish code it's super clever. :dance: homosaywhat?

Already told and in plain English.
So appreciate the compliments. :blush:

[fitz2k2]

you would think someone in audience of bots would say racism ,but I guess the audience ain't smart enough

[MrWong]

I thougt I heard The girl from SCD ask about how she would make the chicken:conf:

The only food I saw during the episode was sandwiches, before the 2nd advert.

No one mentioned chicken, unless I missed it again.

[Livia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_African_Americans#Fried_chicken

Jaxie said it's not a well-known stereotype in the UK. So you post a Wiki page supporting his statement. Bit odd.

[chuff me dizzy]

Every bloody series is the racist/homophobia card dragged out ,this is not racism ,its just a bitch who lied,nothing more sinister than that

[Crimson Dynamo]

she hardly did the "black community" any favours last night thats for sure

[chuff me dizzy]

she hardly did the "black community" any favours last night thats for sure

No she didn't, she's a vile disgrace

[Northern Monkey]

*Note to self.Never mention chicken in front of black person.

(Just incase some white people get offended for them)

[ScottyT]

Racism? Hahaha get a grip. She is just a grade A bellend.

[chuff me dizzy]

*Note to self.Never mention chicken in front of black person.

(Just incase some white people get offended for them)

Ahem to that !!!!! and don't forget never to say POPPADOM either :nono:

[lostalex]

i can see it from both sides. not about this case specifically...

but in general food is often used to demean other people or make them feel different in a demeaning way...

like saying to a korean or chinese that they eat dogs, or japanese eating raw fish, or the british eating horse...it can be said in a derogatory way even though it's part of their culture.

people in australia eat kangaroo, people in florida eat alligator, people in canada bash baby seals over the head, people in africa kill albino humans to use heir body parts in voodoo rituals...

its just different cultures.

[chuff me dizzy]

i can see it from both sides. not about this case specifically...

but in general food is often used to demean other people or make them feel different in a demeaning way...

like saying to a korean or chinese that they eat dogs, or japanese eating raw fish, or the british eating horse...it can be said in a derogatory way even though it's part of their culture.

people in australia eat kangaroo, people in florida eat alligator, people in canada bash baby seals over the head, people in africa kill albino humans to use heir body parts in voodoo rituals...

its just different cultures.

Not RACE No food is a RACE

[lostalex]

Not RACE No food is a RACE

well there is no such thing as race, we are talking about cultures really.

This is the 90's you'd think we would have evolved past this stuff by now.

[chuff me dizzy]

well there is no such thing as race, we are talking about cultures really.

This is the 90's you'd think we would have evolved past this stuff by now.

No such word as CULTURIST ,so food is either racist ,or its not

[cassieparis]

D

I see a lot wrong with the way Tiffany behaved last night and the response was disproportionate and deeply associated with her gender and race IMO.

I also believe that some of the H/Ms descended into pack mentality because of the her race and gender. It simply wouldn't have happened to Jeremy in the same way if he believed D Gest was dead and raved stupidly about it.

I am not a person that believes differences will not trigger ignorance in others who want to instigate a fight.

Differences are always on the table when someone is spoiling for a fight and John has been spoiling with all that repression and took his minions along with him.

[lostalex]

she hardly did the "black community" any favours last night thats for sure

after Winston, i think the black community should be grateful for what's left//// she can't do worse than that piece of ****.

[chuff me dizzy]

I see a lot wrong with the way Tiffany behaved last night and the response was disproportionate and deeply associated with her gender and race IMO.

I also believe that some of the H/Ms descended into pack mentality because of the her race and gender. It simply wouldn't have happened to Jeremy in the same way if he believed D Gest was dead and raved stupidly about it.

I am not a person that believes differences will not trigger ignorance in others who want to instigate a fight.

Differences are always on the table when someone is spoiling for a fight and John has been spoiling with all that repression and took his minions along with him.

Nothing to do with her race or gender, it was her vile attitude

[lostalex]

i think Rylan would have responded the same way. remember how he overreacted to everything spiedi did just to vilify them.

[Kazanne]

John is not that type of person to be racist,he seems to accept anything,he may be a tad bossy but racist ,never.

[cassieparis]

John is not that type of person to be racist,he seems to accept anything,he may be a tad bossy but racist ,never.

Yeah, he just doesn't like Winston or Tiffany.

I wonder what they have in common??? Oh it's a coincidence :laugh: :laugh::laugh:

Wait till he finds out Steph is from the dark side......... :joker:

[cassieparis]

Nothing to do with her race or gender, it was her vile attitude

Yeah it is.

[ThriceShy]

she hardly did the "black community" any favours last night thats for sure

How is she representing the black community?:shrug:

[cassieparis]

How is she representing the black community?:shrug:

......because she's BLACK!!! :shrug::shrug::shrug:

[Carl Jayson]

This is why we need to SUPPORT Tiffany because we know the housemates are now going to nominate her as soon as they get the chance, especially after John was screaming no one feels safe no one wants her around in front of everyone, basically swaying their nominations.

[Niamh.]

How is she representing the black community?:shrug:

......because she's BLACK!!! :shrug::shrug::shrug:

I hope that doesn't mean Jeremy is representing the Irish community? :shocked:

[Carl Jayson]

she hardly did the "black community" any favours last night thats for sure

And Perez completely tarnished the ''gay community'' during his whole stint in the house, what's your point? :shrug:

[ThriceShy]

Jaxie said it's not a well-known stereotype in the UK. So you post a Wiki page supporting his statement. Bit odd.

Yeah I just wish the world would modernise so we didn't need to wait for American culture to reach us by slow boat.

Someone should invent the internet.

[Stevep]

I see a lot wrong with the way Tiffany behaved last night and the response was disproportionate and deeply associated with her gender and race IMO.

I also believe that some of the H/Ms descended into pack mentality because of the her race and gender. It simply wouldn't have happened to Jeremy in the same way if he believed D Gest was dead and raved stupidly about it.

I am not a person that believes differences will not trigger ignorance in others who want to instigate a fight.

Differences are always on the table when someone is spoiling for a fight and John has been spoiling with all that repression and took his minions along with him.

Tbh, due to the show being edited none of us truly know how out of hand the situation got in the house so it's difficult to determine whether the reaction of the HMs was excessive or not, but going by the snippet of what we saw i agree that certain HMs could have handled the situation a whole lot better.

That said, i disagree that the reaction was due to race for a couple of reasons but the main one being that Daniella had the exact same reaction towards Angie when she was under the impression that Angie had said that Gest was dead. He initial reaction was that Angie was 'fcking sick' and that 'she should be removed from the house'. So no double standards here as the reaction was exactly the same towards both Tiffany and Angie.

I agree with you that HMs would not have rounded on another HM as much as Tiffany but again i don't think that's down to race. Tiffany herself the other day said that she has nothing in common (or words to that affect if i remember correctly) with anyone in the house, most of the other HMs have bonded therefore it's only natural, rightly or wrongly, for people that have bonded to be more compassionate to each other when they have been in the wrong.

Edit: On a side note, the only person to emerge from that show last night in a positive light would be Jeremy. I do despise when people are rounded upon, whether they were in the wrong or not, and on two occasions this series Jeremy has refused to join the pack hounding for blood. Credit to him for firstly voting Nancy ahead of Winston when the popular move would have been to vote for Winston and also last night, when he said he would not isolate Tiffany despite what had happened.

[Mystic Mock]

Twitter definitely seems to have an issue with black girls so there's definitely some form of racism from some corners of the audience.

The fact that it's "PC" to not want to be a racist is a growing trend shows you how horrible this show is going as apparently it's okay to be prejudiced towards contestants for stuff that they can't control such as their appearance, which is essentially what race is.

But yes I haven't been watching the series as of late as it appears to be very dull, but the majority of Housemates target who they think will be unpopular with the public and that appears to be Tiffany on face value.

So yeah it's less about racism and more about pleasing the public, it's the same with why 13 Housemates voted out Winston and how they all have a "gay friend" in a desperate effort to get the gay vote.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope that doesn't mean Jeremy is representing the Irish community? :shocked:

he is just like marc did as well


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[Niamh.]

he is just like marc did as well


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He's not though, he's nothing like anyone I know here so how can he represent me :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

He's not though, he's nothing like anyone I know here so how can he represent me :shrug:

away with you neem

I would imagine him and gav are like 2 peas in a pod

[ThriceShy]

That would mean John is representing the gay community.

Bet they are pleased.

[jaxie]

Yeah I just wish the world would modernise so we didn't need to wait for American culture to reach us by slow boat.

Someone should invent the internet.

Nah I don't think we need to adopt dumb American stereotypes. I'm sure we have enough of our own.

[Niamh.]

away with you neem

I would imagine him and gav are like 2 peas in a pod

Jeremy wishes :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

That would mean John is representing the gay community.

Bet they are pleased.
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BB gays have done so much for that community...

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[ThriceShy]

Nah I don't think we need to adopt dumb American stereotypes. I'm sure we have enough of our own.

Nobody is claiming we should adopt them. We are simply talking about being aware of them.