Who was the most wrong last night?

[Niamh.]

Angie
Tiffany
John, Kristina & Danielle

[Livia]

Tiffany.

Angie was also wrong but I'm excusing her a little because she's as mad as a bucket of puppies.

The rest of them reacted to the situation as they saw it.

[Smithy]

The bully trio

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tiffany was the worst

Angie should not have told Tiffany tho

[HBB1508]

Tiffany for flying off the handle before getting her facts straight imo.

[Livia]

Tiffany was the worst

Angie should not have told Tiffany tho

And that's the crux of it.

[MrWong]

John taking it upon himself to ask Tiff to leave was wrong.

The rest was just a massive misunderstanding.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not sure why the Homewrecker was so affected by Tiffany?

[Livia]

Not sure why the Homewrecker was so affected by Tiffany?

Ben Cohen isn't in there.

[bots]

David was to blame clearly, for also being called David. :shrug:

[Niamh.]

Not sure why the Homewrecker was so affected by Tiffany?

She's one of my least favourites, she's so grumpy and dull

[Niamh.]

David was to blame clearly, for also being called David. :shrug:

:laugh:

David was to blame for being sick and lying motionless in his bed with the blanket covering him completely ............bad timing David, bad timing

[EspeonBB]

No one was wrong with the initial misunderstanding, I thought it was genuine

Tiffany was wrong with the way she acted after she found out David Gest didn't die (i.e. calling Angie an "old bitch")

The rest were wrong in thinking they were in a position to try and pressure Tiffany to leave and continuing to reject Tiffany's attempts at making amends (even after Tiffany and Angie made up)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tiffany just could not admit that she had made a mistake. what is wrong with her?

[Josy]

John

[rionablue]

Tiffany when she said no way was she going over to the old bitch afterwards or something along those lines.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the problem stemmed from the fact that Tiffany could not apologise for her error.

[Stormy]

No one's fault...but John was totally out of line.

Angie could have squashed the situation early on by telling Tiff it was her ex-husband when she saw Tiff losing it, rather than run away into the diary room when she realized her mistake...but Angie was understandably upset and grieving so I would absolutely give her a pass. Not her fault.

Tiff could have squashed the situation by immediately apologizing to Angie for her mistake...but she was in a state of shock/fright thinking that David Guest was dead...and then angry when she thought that Angie played a cruel trick on her. Once she found out that someone did really die and it wasn't David Guest...she didn't have enough time to digest the info and calm down before the whole house turned on her. She didn't have one 'friend' to help her out. She was like a cornered rat and wasn't thinking straight. She reacted badly...but understandable... I would totally give her a pass.

John, however, was cold and calculated in his reaction, and totally out of line by...

1. Taking a complete misunderstanding by BOTH ladies and making it all Tiffany's fault.
2. Trying to stage a coup to get Tiffany out of the house.
3. Then selfishly telling her that everyone hates her and wants her out of the house. That must have hurt. After hearing that. it's no wonder that Tiff lashed out and refused to apologize to Angie.

Angie and Tiffany owe each other an apology and a hug while and John owes Tiffany one big apology. He should get down on his knees and kiss her feet for what he did to her. Inexcusable.

[Niamh.]

No one's fault...but John was totally out of line.

Angie could have squashed the situation early on by telling Tiff it was her ex-husband when she saw Tiff losing it, rather than run away into the diary room when she realized her mistake...but Angie was understandably upset and grieving so I would absolutely give her a pass. Not her fault.

Tiff could have squashed the situation by immediately apologizing to Angie for her mistake...but she was in a state of shock/fright thinking that David Guest was dead...and then angry when she thought that Angie played a cruel trick on her. Once she found out that someone did really die and it wasn't David Guest...she didn't have enough time to digest the info and calm down before the whole house turned on her. She didn't have one 'friend' to help her out. She was like a cornered rat and wasn't thinking straight. She reacted badly...but understandable... I would totally give her a pass.

John, however, was cold and calculated in his reaction, and totally out of line by...

1. Taking a complete misunderstanding by BOTH ladies and making it all Tiffany's fault.
2. Trying to stage a coup to get Tiffany out of the house.
3. Then selfishly telling her that everyone hates her and wants her out of the house. That must have hurt. After hearing that. it's no wonder that Tiff lashed out and refused to apologize to Angie.

Angie and Tiffany owe each other an apology and a hug while and John owes Tiffany one big apology. He should get down on his knees and kiss her feet for what he did to her. Inexcusable.
fantasic post, these are my exact thoughts on the whole situation

[LukeB]

John,Danniella and Kristina

[lostalex]

the old queeny gay guy. i don't know his name. the one that walks around in a red robe most of the day.

[Niamh.]

the old queeny gay guy. i don't know his name. the one that walks around in a red robe most of the day.

John

[Jamie89]

John, and on a completely different level to Kristina/Daniella.

[Denver]

Stiffany without a doubt she tried to bully and attack Angie

[lostalex]

John

Thank you. (he does have a hot body though, i'd let him suck my dick)

[Niamh.]

Thank you. (he does have a hot body though, i'd let him suck my dick)

:laugh:

[Kazanne]

Tiffanny

[Northern Monkey]

John taking it upon himself to ask Tiff to leave was wrong.

The rest was just a massive misunderstanding.

Yeah this

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thank you. (he does have a hot body though, i'd let him suck my dick)

and thus John joins a very large group of men


:hehe:

[lostalex]

and thus John joins a very large group of men


:hehe:

How VERY dare you!

[jet]

Tiffany, because as soon as she knew It was Angie's ex that had died, she should have offered her condolences and not said she was going nowhere near the old bitch, no matter how SHE felt (by not doing so the other HM's attitude towards her really hardened.)

John and co, for their over the top reaction, "she has to go!!!"

Apart from that, it was all a misunderstanding.

[chuff me dizzy]

Tiffany

[Kaitel]

Angie told her David was dead, why would anyone think she was talking about a different David, sure we all knew because we've had access to the news, but if you'd been locked up in that house and was told David had just dropped dead, you would reach the same conclusion as Tiffany. Angie should obviously have said my ex husband David, especially when she could see Tiffany was freaking out and obviously had the wrong person in mind, she had plenty of time to clarify the situation but didn't, she seemed to want the extra drama despite her claims to the contrary. Then for the rest to gang up on Tiffany for Angie's stupidity was unbelievable, telling Tiffany she has to go, the nerve of that guy, who is he to decide who can stay or go!?!

[lostalex]

to be fair, tiffany really thought david had died (the ugly old one, not the legendary pop star) so she was still in a kind of mourning. She clearly loves David Gest on a level that we hadn't realized before.

[Niamh.]

Angie told her David was dead, why would anyone think she was talking about a different David, sure we all knew because we've had access to the news, but if you'd been locked up in that house and was told David had just dropped dead, you would reach the same conclusion as Tiffany. Angie should obviously have said my ex husband David, especially when she could see Tiffany was freaking out and obviously had the wrong person in mind, she had plenty of time to clarify the situation but didn't, she seemed to want the extra drama despite her claims to the contrary. Then for the rest to gang up on Tiffany for Angie's stupidity was unbelievable, telling Tiffany she has to go, the nerve of that guy, who is he to decide who can stay or go!?!

:clap2:

[Kaitel]

I guess Tiffany was supposed to know which David in the world had died, I mean how many David's can there be? If a policeman told you to sit down he has some bad news, then told you the first name of your mother had just dropped dead, wouldn't you freak out then be angry when he came back 30 mins later and said oh I was talking about my Ex-wife with the same name of course, you're under arrest for public disorder now?

[smudgie]

Angie told her David was dead, why would anyone think she was talking about a different David, sure we all knew because we've had access to the news, but if you'd been locked up in that house and was told David had just dropped dead, you would reach the same conclusion as Tiffany. Angie should obviously have said my ex husband David, especially when she could see Tiffany was freaking out and obviously had the wrong person in mind, she had plenty of time to clarify the situation but didn't, she seemed to want the extra drama despite her claims to the contrary. Then for the rest to gang up on Tiffany for Angie's stupidity was unbelievable, telling Tiffany she has to go, the nerve of that guy, who is he to decide who can stay or go!?!

Well said.

John came out of it looking an absolute twit to me.
Nasty beggar.

[wendywillow]

john....hes just a douche

[Kazanne]

Angie told her David was dead, why would anyone think she was talking about a different David, sure we all knew because we've had access to the news, but if you'd been locked up in that house and was told David had just dropped dead, you would reach the same conclusion as Tiffany. Angie should obviously have said my ex husband David, especially when she could see Tiffany was freaking out and obviously had the wrong person in mind, she had plenty of time to clarify the situation but didn't, she seemed to want the extra drama despite her claims to the contrary. Then for the rest to gang up on Tiffany for Angie's stupidity was unbelievable, telling Tiffany she has to go, the nerve of that guy, who is he to decide who can stay or go!?!

But even when she knew , Tiffany said Angie said David Gest,which was a bare faced lie

[Kaitel]

It wasn't a lie in her mind, she said are you joking and Angie said, she would never joke about that, which to her was confirmation they were talking about the same David and yet another chance for Angie to say "oh not the David you're thinking of, calm down" but no, why would she even tell Tiffany and tell her to keep it quiet, does Tiffany seem like the quiet/secretive type to anyone in the world!?! C'monnn.

[Kaitel]

by not saying her ex or David BOWIE, Angie was basically saying David Guest had died, totally on Tiffany's side if you couldn't guess.

[rubymoo]

John, Kristina and Danielle - because you've got a barmy Angie not giving a last name, a gobby Tiff who was screaming the place down, both caught up in a misunderstanding, and later they hug it out.

Whereas John could have calmed the situation down with the others by giving the correct information, Kristina and Danielle are just being mean, and all 3 are carrying on the hostility, these 3 for me actually came off looking the bad guys.

[Carl Jayson]

If you're putting New York then you need to give your head a wobble.

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The HBIC remains winning so you haters of NY can SEETHE! http://fotpforums.com/uploads/emoticons/default_g7.gif

[Jessica.]

Disgusting behaviour from John, Kristina & Danniella as well as everyone else who joined in with them.

[lostalex]

Disgusting behaviour from John, Kristina & Danniella as well as everyone else who joined in with them.

your little hippo thing is really cute. i like it. :blush:

[Jessica.]

your little hippo thing is really cute. i like it. :blush:

:joker: Thanks, it's a Moomin!

[Denver]

by not saying her ex or David BOWIE, Angie was basically saying David Guest had died, totally on Tiffany's side if you couldn't guess.

Im guessing you have never grieved? Because the last thing you do is think straight

[mizzy25]

The 2 who came out looking kind were Christopher and sort of Gemma in a way.
Those in the wrong the vile John and co

[zakman440]

My iPad freaked out and voted Angie - I meant to go for John, Kristina and Danniella. Whilst Tiffany's actions were wrong too, there was no need for the behaviour of the others - especially John who was just being a twat on purpose.

[Strictly Jake]

Tiffany. I like her but can't excuse her behaviour last night. Fair enough getting mixed up in the first place but then when things have clearly been explained and she knew what abhor would be going through, to then lay into her, laugh and cackle and act like she had done nothing wrong that's really bad. That said I know she was trying hard towards the end of the episode and I'm hoping I will love her again by tonight. I hated John kristina and Daniella though and I just love angie a lot so I wouldn't pick her in this poll

[Visage]

John was out of order by making the whole misunderstanding about Tiffany.


The problem comes when Angie & Tiffany chat, they usually end up misunderstanding each other which results in some kind of OTT reaction.

I don't think Angie was fully aware of what Tiffany was thinking/saying, I don't think Tiffany was fully aware of what Angie's was saying.

The way I saw it, Tiffany's reaction a little later was brought on by anger after feeling humiliated that Angie (who she thought was on a wind-up) had made out it was Gest who had died, she was annoyed with her and didn't stop to take in what actually happened, then we get shouting from others which wouldn't have helped Tiffany's thought process.

[Visage]

However you look at it, it was TV gold at its best.

[Kaitel]

Grieving? Don't give me that, it was her ex husband, she probably hated him and was more concerned about arguments in the house than the fact he had just died. I'm sure she'll milk it for attention though, if she was that upset she'd have left the house when she got the news. Not buying it sorry.

[GiRTh]

The three witches. They were the ones who overreacted. Angie and Tiffany made up with no problems other than those caused by those three.

[Visage]

Tiffany.

Angie was also wrong but I'm excusing her a little because she's as mad as a bucket of puppies.

The rest of them reacted to the situation as they saw it.

Didn't Tiffany react to a situation as she saw/heard it?

Whether you believe Tiffany was to blame or not, her reaction was brought on by the situation, just like the rest of the housemates.

But even when she knew , Tiffany said Angie said David Gest,which was a bare faced lie

I thought Tiffany genuinely believed that she heard Angie say David Gest, I don't believe at all it was a bare face lie.

[lostalex]

Visage is totally michelle visage . hi Michelle I love you and can't wait for the next season of the race. :wavey:

[joeysteele]

Most of them ended up acting irrationally and had a bad episode at times through the whole event, however for me Tiffany just went totally and unnecessarily way over the top,I would have thought it time she was removed for her sanity,
She just would not listen to anyone.

She literally just went crazy and out of control,ridiculous.

[rusticgal]

No one's fault...but John was totally out of line.

Angie could have squashed the situation early on by telling Tiff it was her ex-husband when she saw Tiff losing it, rather than run away into the diary room when she realized her mistake...but Angie was understandably upset and grieving so I would absolutely give her a pass. Not her fault.

Tiff could have squashed the situation by immediately apologizing to Angie for her mistake...but she was in a state of shock/fright thinking that David Guest was dead...and then angry when she thought that Angie played a cruel trick on her. Once she found out that someone did really die and it wasn't David Guest...she didn't have enough time to digest the info and calm down before the whole house turned on her. She didn't have one 'friend' to help her out. She was like a cornered rat and wasn't thinking straight. She reacted badly...but understandable... I would totally give her a pass.

John, however, was cold and calculated in his reaction, and totally out of line by...

1. Taking a complete misunderstanding by BOTH ladies and making it all Tiffany's fault.
2. Trying to stage a coup to get Tiffany out of the house.
3. Then selfishly telling her that everyone hates her and wants her out of the house. That must have hurt. After hearing that. it's no wonder that Tiff lashed out and refused to apologize to Angie.

Angie and Tiffany owe each other an apology and a hug while and John owes Tiffany one big apology. He should get down on his knees and kiss her feet for what he did to her. Inexcusable.


Well put Stormy....totally agree with everything you said there.