Something I've noticed with Twitter reactions to Megan's "ghetto" comment...

[Headie]

It seems to be ethnic people (mainly black) who are offended by the comment and tweeting about how wrong she was to say that etc... where as the white people seem to be saying "PC Brigade, How is ghetto offensive" etc.

I actually think Megan might get away with the comment without hardly any backlash tbh :/

[LukeB]

I think she was wrong to say that tbh and should get warned.

[reece(:]

Many white people are uneducated in how the ghetto term can be offensive to black people.

[Headie]

I think she was wrong to say that tbh and should get warned.

Many white people are uneducated in how the ghetto term can be offensive to black people.

:clap1: I'm glad to see that most white member son here can see how the insult can be seen as racist. I was offended by it myself.

[Jason.]

Many white people are uneducated in how the ghetto term can be offensive to black people.

This tbh

[Ross.]

Many white people are uneducated in how the ghetto term can be offensive to black people.

:clap1:

[Jamie89]

A lot of the people who are saying it isn't racist are saying things like "well white people live in ghetto's too" etc etc, but I think that misses the point. It's not about taking it literally, as in what a 'ghetto' actually is, but it's the fact that it is a term that some people use to describe black people. That's indisputable, whether people are aware of it or not. And I'd imagine that more black people are aware of it than white people, which probably explains what you've noticed there, Hayden.

[RodHull]

TBF while im against racism in all its forms Tiffany herself has described herself as Ghetto as a badge of honor so she cant complain when its thrown back as an insult.

And no I dont buy the whole 'reclaiming the word' crap, its offensive it is absolutely so stop describing yourself as it and others may follow suit

[Vicky.]

I'm usually one of those who think that people look too hard for racism, for example the chicken thing the other day...I really didn't see.

But...that ghetto comment, spat the way it was...definitely raised my eyebrows. It was obviously used in a derogatory way and I fail to see how it can be described as anything but racist tbh

[Bailey2Be]

This may be the wrong thread to post this in but.... I don't think it was right what Megan did tonight or how she used the 'ghetto' word tonight if she did actually callously mean to be offensive. But earier I don't think it was right when Tiffany was going off about Gemma in the diary room (not to Gemma's face) and saying things about her appearance etc. etc. Whatever your opinion of Gemma is fair enough but she didn't deserve to be called out on her weight because no one does. Yet people don't seem to be outraged by what Tiffany said and she 100% was a lot more vicious and ugly with what she said about Gemma. Yes Megan's behavior was not ok tonight but I think everyone is so quick to jump on the PC brigade!! It seems to be a pick and choose basket about what comments people decide to get 'overly offended' by.

[alex_front2]

But I do think a very large minority of white people do see black people as different to whites and as ghetto and trashy. Loads of white people are surprised at X black person is educated " oh, he's really articulate ". I went to the theatre with 2 black pals last year to see Chekhov's Uncle Vanya and these 2 white women were talking in native German to each other and said something like " the blacks are watching Chekhov, I'd thought you'd be at at a rap concert".

Black people are depicted in media as trashy and when a black person does something positive or elegant the fact the person is black is swept under carpet. Person commits as crime...they are black. Black Person saves someone's life...they are a person.

Black people are only depicted in Hollywood as slaves, civil rights causes, racial victims, sports people, sidekicks to ehite characters, rap musicians. Reinforcing a ghetto stereotype which is why people are shocked when Harry Potter's Hermione as an adult casts a black actress as some white people can't envisage a black person being like a white person.

[RodHull]

I'm usually one of those who think that people look too hard for racism, for example the chicken thing the other day...I really didn't see.

But...that ghetto comment, spat the way it was...definitely raised my eyebrows. It was obviously used in a derogatory way and I fail to see how it can be described as anything but racist tbh

Well like I said Tiffany described herself as Ghetto the other day with Jonathan, so I find it hard to have sympathy but its an unpleasant term for sure.

[RodHull]

But I do think a very large minority of white people do see black people as different to whites and as ghetto and trashy. Loads of white people are surprised at X black person is educated " oh, he's really articulate ". I went to the theatre with 2 black pals last year to see Chekhov's Uncle Vanya and these 2 white women were talking in native German to each other and said something like " the blacks are watching Chekhov, I'd thought you'd be at at a rap concert".

Black people are depicted in media as trashy and when a black person does something positive or elegant the fact the person is black is swept under carpet. Person commits as crime...they are black. Black Person saves someone's life...they are a person.

Black people are only depicted in Hollywood as slaves, civil rights causes, racial victims, sports people, rap musicians. Reinforcing a ghetto stereotype which is why people are shocked when Harry Potter's Hermione as an adult casts a black actress as some white people can't envisage a black person being like a white person.

All good points but the Black people themselves in the media and public eye have a responsibility as well, many of the largest black stars on the planet revel in the persona of being 'ghetto' and 'gangsta' so its no surprise ill educated white people find that an easy stereotype to throw around.

Doesn't make it right for sure, but I've never been a fan of the whole romanticizing the ghetto gangsta lifestyle that was so prevalent in the 90s and early 00s largely pedaled by black stars of both genders.

[Northern Monkey]

But I do think a very large minority of white people do see black people as different to whites and as ghetto and trashy. Loads of white people are surprised at X black person is educated " oh, he's really articulate ". I went to the theatre with 2 black pals last year to see Chekhov's Uncle Vanya and these 2 white women were talking in native German to each other and said something like " the blacks are watching Chekhov, I'd thought you'd be at at a rap concert".

Black people are depicted in media as trashy and when a black person does something positive or elegant the fact the person is black is swept under carpet. Person commits as crime...they are black. Black Person saves someone's life...they are a person.

Black people are only depicted in Hollywood as slaves, civil rights causes, racial victims, sports people, sidekicks to ehite characters, rap musicians. Reinforcing a ghetto stereotype which is why people are shocked when Harry Potter's Hermione as an adult casts a black actress as some white people can't envisage a black person being like a white person.
Er Samuel L Jackson,Wesley Snipes,Eddy Murphy,Danny Glover,Will Smith.....The list goes on.All main characters/heroes etc

[RodHull]

Er Samuel L Jackson,Wesley Snipes,Eddy Murphy,Danny Glover,Will Smith.....The list goes on.All main characters/heroes etc

Yeah do we want to do this for every positive black role model (eddy murphy hugely questionable but ill let it slide) there are 4 or more bad ones, self made bad ones, not demonised... but who revel in their low moral conduct

To be clear I think its desperately sad and its also massively driven by white media corporations who sell that but the black stars who are complicit in reinforcing that stereotype are just as much to blame.

[JoshBB]

TBF while im against racism in all its forms Tiffany herself has described herself as Ghetto as a badge of honor so she cant complain when its thrown back as an insult.

And no I dont buy the whole 'reclaiming the word' crap, its offensive it is absolutely so stop describing yourself as it and others may follow suit

Clearly you don't understand the concept either.

Reclaiming a word is when you take an offensive slur historically used against you, and to try to take some of the 'pain out of the wound' (i can't think of the phrase here but I hope this makes sense to you) by using it as a term of endearment. It makes it so that word cannot be used in a pejorative way against you, because it would simply be a self-descriptor. The word 'queer' is a good example of this, it's even made its way into the sexuality acronym 'LGBTQ'. The meaning was changed from an insult to gay people to a descriptor of those outside the straight/LGBT descriptors of sexuality.

Also just out of curiosity, are you a minority yourself?

[Edna Mode]

:clap1: I'm glad to see that most white member son here can see how the insult can be seen as racist. I was offended by it myself.


Not only is it racist, but in the clip she was about to say something else, her teeth went together and she raised her lip as if she was about to say something that began with an "n," but she stopped herself, and a brief pause occurred before she said "c--."

It's pretty clear she was about to say you know what.
She probably realized what she did and what she said as she was being escorted out because she was like, "Don't put this on telly! Don't put it on telly!"

[alex_front2]

Samuel Jackson , Wesley Snipes , Jamie Fox et al usually either play parts only black actors can play eg Will Smith's Mohammed Ali bio pic or play black only stereotypes eg Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction, jive talking Will Smith's Men in Black, Empire etc. They rewrote a Tom Cruise part when Will Smith landed the role. Why not keep the role the same. Why can't an actress who is black play the perky preppy Emma Stone/ ReesecWitherspoon/ Jennifer Lawrence type roles?

If a tv character likes country music or opera, likes antique fairs or Roman history the actor cast will be white. If the character likes rap, from a poor area etc then black. Stereotypes.

Tiff is seen as the angry loud scary dangerously aggressive black woman who needs to go for housemates safety. Meagan will de depicted as feisty girl who has had a few drinks. Were Kristina , Danielle cowering from Meagan when she ranted? Yet hms were " scared" of Tiff. A lot of white people do see black people as aggressive. In fact Megan was so threatening security came in, but she's white so its all innocuous high jinks.

Also Meagan menacingly approached Tiffs bed. Tiff never actually approached anyone in her rant

[JoshBB]

All good points but the Black people themselves in the media and public eye have a responsibility as well, many of the largest black stars on the planet revel in the persona of being 'ghetto' and 'gangsta' so its no surprise ill educated white people find that an easy stereotype to throw around.

Doesn't make it right for sure, but I've never been a fan of the whole romanticizing the ghetto gangsta lifestyle that was so prevalent in the 90s and early 00s largely pedaled by black stars of both genders.

I don't think it's a good idea to try and blame black people (even partially) for racism against them here. That may not be what you are trying to suggest, but you are definitely inferring it.

[RodHull]

Clearly you don't understand the concept either.

Reclaiming a word is when you take an offensive slur historically used against you, and to try to take some of the 'pain out of the wound' (i can't think of the phrase here but I hope this makes sense to you) by using it as a term of endearment. It makes it so that word cannot be used in a pejorative way against you, because it would simply be a self-descriptor. The word 'queer' is a good example of this, it's even made its way into the sexuality acronym 'LGBTQ'. The meaning was changed from an insult to gay people to a descriptor of those outside the straight/LGBT descriptors of sexuality.

Also just out of curiosity, are you a minority yourself?

Thanks for the lesson... :shrug: Im well aware... I was referring to the word ghetto If anyone had used that argument (preempting it)

And even that aside its still massively personal to each person there are plenty of gay people and racial minorities who detest these reclaimed words cause its to painful or vile for them to here cause they witnessed such horrific acts caused by people who used them.

[EspeonBB]

In a lot of cases 'ghetto' is just a substitute for 'black' and ghettos are mainly associated with black people even if white people do live in them :shrug:

[Beso]

She is from the ghetto though and sure acts like shes in one, so the comment was a fair one.

[RodHull]

I don't think it's a good idea to try and blame black people (even partially) for racism against them here. That may not be what you are trying to suggest, but you are definitely inferring it.

Not for racism of course not that stems back 100s of years... no im referring to the use of the word ghetto and reinforcing the tough 'gangsta' image that went along with.

Josh above noted how most black people in films etc are depicted as drug dealers and such like, well black people themselves are complicit in that. They have to take some responsibility for when stupid badly educated girls like megan then throw the term out as an insult imo

Go to the deep south talk with people who saw their loved ones murdered by the KKK and see if they think black people describing themselves as ghetto or using the N word as a term of endearment is ok. Most won't

[Northern Monkey]

Samuel Jackson , Wesley Snipes , Jamie Fox et al usually either play parts only black actors can play eg Will Smith's Mohammed Ali bio pic or play black only stereotypes eg Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction, jive talking Will Smith's Men in Black, Empire etc. They rewrote a Tom Cruise part when Will Smith landed the role. Why not keep the role the same. Why can't an actress who is black play the perky preppy Emma Stone/ ReesecWitherspoon/ Jennifer Lawrence type roles?

If a tv character likes country music or opera, likes antique fairs or Roman history the actor cast will be white. If the character likes rap, from a poor area etc then black. Stereotypes.

Many of Will Smiths roles could be played by white or black people same with the other actors mentioned.Yes some films may be written for a black actor but many are not.Morgan Freeman has played many roles which are not written for any particular race.The guy in the new Star Wars film's role could be played by anyone.I'd say that for many of the examples you've given there are many examples to counter it.Obviously Mohamed Ali has to be played by a black person.

[RodHull]

Morgan Freeman has played many roles which are not written for any particular race.

Also hes god... no really he is actually god

[Tom4784]

It was obviously intended as a racial insult and it'd be an outrage if she isn't pulled up on it.

[RodHull]

Oh to be clear I hope shes booted Im sick of her miserable face just making a wider point

[JoshBB]

Not for racism of course not that stems back 100s of years... no im referring to the use of the word ghetto and reinforcing the tough 'gangsta' image that went along with.

Josh above noted how most black people in films etc are depicted as drug dealers and such like, well black people themselves are complicit in that. They have to take some responsibility for when stupid badly educated girls like megan then throw the term out as an insult imo

Go to the deep south talk with people who saw their loved ones murdered by the KKK and see if they think black people describing themselves as ghetto or using the N word as a term of endearment is ok. Most won't

Black people should be able to act 'gangsta' all they want to. If celebrities like Iggy Azalea or Eminem can do it without backlash.. so can they.

To your point on black actors playing drug dealers in films, I don't think you realise but racism is more complex than just white people calling black people names. In modern history, there are many examples of people contributing to their own oppression without realising they are even doing so, and even examples of people supporting oppression against their own social grouping. An example of this could be the PoC in the (now defunct :laugh:) BNP. It's unfortunate but I think some minorities believe if they act like one of their oppressors, it gives them some kind of security. But it's selfish and damaging to the others who are not willing to subject themselves to discrimination.

And to your last point, simply and politely put, no. South America is culturally different to the UK for a start, they were much much more aggressive towards migrants of different ethnicites and so the 'N-word' perhaps may hold more hurtful qualities than in London. When the black people in South America wish to reclaim the word, that is their choice. As a white person that is not my place to do so, especially since historically white people have always controlled the lives of black people. Reclamation of a slur is solely the choice of the group oppressed by it. But even then, compassion wouldn't go amiss. If a person is deeply offended by a certain word as a result of historical persecution, it may be wise not to use it.

To conclude, black people are in no way responsible for any stereotypes or oppression that negatively impacts their lives and wellbeing. The guilt is solely in the hands of our white ancestors, and we can show some proper respect to black people by not using words our predecessors used to degrade and oppress them. If black people wish to use the words in hopes of sucking out the venom, best of luck to them. I think we owe them that much.

[RodHull]

Black people should be able to act 'gangsta' all they want to. If celebrities like Iggy Azalea or Eminem can do it without backlash.. so can they.


Remind me where I said it was ok for white people to do this?


To your point on black actors playing drug dealers in films, I don't think you realise but racism is more complex than just white people calling black people names. In modern history, there are many examples of people contributing to their own oppression without realising they are even doing so, and even examples of people supporting oppression against their own social grouping. An example of this could be the PoC in the (now defunct :laugh:) BNP. It's unfortunate but I think some minorities believe if they act like one of their oppressors, it gives them some kind of security. But it's selfish and damaging to the others who are not willing to subject themselves to discrimination.

Wasn't my point was replying to someone else but ok.. :conf:

And sorry I call BS yes some of your facts are spot on, but no sorry lets take the gangsta rap scene of the late 80s and early 90s, that was whole groups of black people using the stereotype that they were violent had no moral compass were drug dealers, murderers etc to sell their records and they got VERY rich doing it... that is NOT them being unaware of what they were doing, in the beginning it was social commentary about how ****ty their living environment was, it later morphed into a caricature of itself and became imo very damaging (to this day)

Now if you want to argue that it isnt only black people of course it isnt most of the media who pedaled that music and the films were run by white people. And no this is not some self empowered civil rights movement who have every right to use that term they deliberately helped create a NEGATIVE stereotype of their own culture to reinforce an image that sold records and later movies, and a whole host of other merchandise.


To conclude, black people are in no way responsible for any stereotypes or oppression that negatively impacts their lives and wellbeing.

Thats just as damaging and ill educated as someone who believes the opposite. Of course they have a part to play, prominent black people have even given whole lectures on just this subject, every day positive black role models in communities fight tooth and nail to turn their youth away from negative stereotypes created by other black stars.


The guilt is solely in the hands of our white ancestors, and we can show some proper respect to black people by not using words our predecessors used to degrade and oppress them. If black people wish to use the words in hopes of sucking out the venom, best of luck to them. I think we owe them that much.

Racism is an inherent human trait if you want to be really deep, it just happened that white people back in the day happened to be the ones predominantly with the military power. And to be clear it isnt used to 'take the venom out' its used as a term to describe someone as tough or scary... its used negatively by both sides

[Carl Jayson]

Megan is a disgusting rat, I'll spit on her if I go on BOTS during her eviction.

[RodHull]

Megan is a disgusting rat, I'll spit on her if I go on BOTS during her eviction.

This I agree with for a whole host of reasons, but I wouldnt waste my spit on her tbh

[Northern Monkey]

Remind me where I said it was ok for white people to do this?



Wasn't my point was replying to someone else but ok.. :conf:

And sorry I call BS yes some of your facts are spot on, but no sorry lets take the gangsta rap scene of the late 80s and early 90s, that was whole groups of black people using the stereotype that they were violent had no moral compass were drug dealers, murderers etc to sell their records and they got VERY rich doing it... that is NOT them being unaware of what they were doing, in the beginning it was social commentary about how ****ty their living environment was, it later morphed into a caricature of itself and became imo very damaging (to this day)

Now if you want to argue that it isnt only black people of course it isnt most of the media who pedaled that music and the films were run by white people. And no this is not some self empowered civil rights movement who have every right to use that term they deliberately helped create a NEGATIVE stereotype of their own culture to reinforce an image that sold records and later movies, and a whole host of other merchandise.



Thats just as damaging and ill educated as someone who believes the opposite. Of course they have a part to play, prominent black people have even given whole lectures on just this subject, every day positive black role models in communities fight tooth and nail to turn their youth away from negative stereotypes created by other black stars.




Racism is an inherent human trait if you want to be really deep, it just happened that white people back in the day happened to be the ones predominantly with the military power. And to be clear it isnt used to 'take the venom out' its used as a term to describe someone as tough or scary... its used negatively by both sides

Now this i totally agree with
Spot on
:thumbs:

[Edna Mode]

She is from the ghetto though and sure acts like shes in one, so the comment was a fair one.



She's from Utica. That's not the ghetto. It's close to upstate New York, which is more wilderness than anything. Don't be ignorant and don't speak it you don't know what you're talking about.

[AarynGriesfan]

She shouldn't have used the word ghetto she could have gotten her point across without phrasing it like that but she clearly wasn't thinking properly when she went on that epic and amazing rant. I don't think the intent behind her saying that was motivated by racists thoughts though.

[crazycolaist]

In a lot of cases 'ghetto' is just a substitute for 'black' and ghettos are mainly associated with black people even if white people do live in them :shrug:

That itself is a stereotype, There are many white slums i.e "Ghettos" in the world. You guys really need get out your respected countries more no offence.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

That itself is a stereotype, There are many white slums i.e "Ghettos" in the world. You guys really need get out your respected countries more no offence.

To people like Megan the word "ghetto" is only associated to black end of story.

[kirklancaster]

It is all about context. She WAS intending to be racist when she used the word and she realised her intention.

The word 'Ghetto' is no more offensive than the words 'Council house' - until they are used in a an intentionally derogotary manner:

Can the phrase; "Get back to your council house" BE anything other than insulting?

American blacks DO use the 'N' word as a term of endearment when talking to each other or about each other, but that very same word has far more offensive intent when used by a non-black person to describe a black person.

There was simply NO other reason for Megan to use the word 'Ghetto' and to defend the indefensible is laughable.

And I am no P.C. aficionado.

[Cal.]

I don't think she'll get away with it. My mum doesn't even watch CBB and when I saw her this morning she asked about the girl being racist.

[chuff me dizzy]

You hear black people claim they from the ghetto all the time PC Britain ,what a bloody joke

[alex_front2]

But Chuff black people are not all the same, some claim to be from middle class life's and this is seldom seen in media.

Some black people listen to radio 2,3,4,5,6, and like indie rock and classical music. Not all black people like "urban" music like rap. News flash we are just as diverse as white people.

In Namibia and Botswana heavy metal is popular.
http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/12/27/the-heavy-metal-subculture-of-botswana-africa/.

Some black people live in affluent neighborhoods like Kensington - the most expensive area in UK. Guess which race is the fastest growing home owners in this area? Yep, black people. Yet you still see middle / affluent class depicted as white people and black people only living in estates.

£1 in £3 spent in Harrods is now a Nigerian

http://www.tatler.com/news/articles/november-2013/the-nigerians-have-arrived

Black people enjoy going to art galleries, museums , watch Scandi dramas, reading graphic novels and comic books, classic and contemporary literary novlists like Honore de Balzac, Gunter Grass, as well as Terry Pratchett's Disc world books, black people like doing triathlons, (horse) riding, drinking Chilean wine, walking in coutryside, skiing in Gstaad or holidaying in the Loire Valley, the Dordogne, family holiday in Ibiza, Dubrovnik, Cornwall, Laos, Peru, or Lithuania. Black people can be hedge fund managers, lawyers, chemical engineers, tech entrepreneurs, and interior designers, send their kids to private schools, shop at farmers markets, antique fairs, eat kale and quinoa.

Yet these things are depicted as being for white people.

Black people are mainly shown as being loud, uncouth, poor , jive talking, stupid, criminal, aggressive, rabid and wanton, violent and uneducated , only able to make money via crime, sports mainly football or rap music and its pi$$es me off. When Newsnight wanted a perspective from a young black person to discuss politics a few years back, did they go to Cambridge University or speak to the growing number of black tech entrepreneurs? Nope Jeremy Paxman spoke to rapper Dizzy Rascal.

Tiff for all her nasty behavior is way way way smarter and articulate than the thicko younger women Gemma, Megan, Kristina, Stephanie. None of them probably even know what the word "vernacular "mean. Let alone use it correctly like Tiff. :joker:

[Jamie89]

It is all about context. She WAS intending to be racist when she used the word and she realised her intention.

The word 'Ghetto' is no more offensive than the words 'Council house' - until they are used in a an intentionally derogotary manner:

Can the phrase; "Get back to your council house" BE anything other than insulting?

American blacks DO use the 'N' word as a term of endearment when talking to each other or about each other, but that very same word has far more offensive intent when used by a non-black person to describe a black person.

There was simply NO other reason for Megan to use the word 'Ghetto' and to defend the indefensible is laughable.

And I am no P.C. aficionado.

I agree with this completely, there's no point going over what the literal meaning of 'ghetto' is and the fact that there are white ghetto's etc, because the issue is how it was intended. You've surprised me with this post actually Kirk, because I know how much you dislike the 'race card' and PC bull**** etc :laugh: But even though there will be many people claiming that the 'race card' is being used in this situation, I think the reality is that there is a lot of racism in the world, and there are a lot of people who have racist thoughts, even if it's just on a mild level, so of course it's going to rear it's head when you lock 16 different people in a house together. Even if it isn't explicit, it's still important to be able to recognise it when it happens otherwise nothing will ever change :shrug:

[sampvt]

The main reason why the Ghettos are atoned to blacks and drug deals and pimps are also depicted as predominantly black is an actual fact, not fiction. You can argue against fact and call it racism. Blacks call each other N.......s and brag thy are from the hood or the ghetto yet it seems controversial when a white utters these words. White trash is extremely racist but its not seen as a racist utterance, I wonder why.

[Crimson Dynamo]

can someone explain "why" its racist?

ghetto is not race specific last time I looked

According to the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), the word was first used in 1611 to describe a quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were restricted. (One theory is that it is derived from the Italian "borghetto", meaning a little borough, or from "getto", a foundry, as an early Jewish ghetto in Venice was created on the site of a former foundry.)


I am sure Pollard says she is "ghetto"

The word is widely used in America to mean poor, urban and cheap......

like redneck is for poor, country and cheap

You can even buy ghettopoly

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/Pras_-_Ghetto_Superstar_single.jpg

[alex_front2]

The main reason why the Ghettos are atoned to blacks and drug deals and pimps are also depicted as predominantly black is an actual fact, not fiction. You can argue against fact and call it racism. Blacks call each other N.......s and brag thy are from the hood or the ghetto yet it seems controversial when a white utters these words. White trash is extremely racist but its not seen as a racist utterance, I wonder why.

Nope not true, most pimps, drug dealers are actually white.

I am black and I've never used the N word. Like I said black middle class in UK is growing. You might be one of those whites who hate seeing blacks do well and find it reassuring to believe black people are from some sort of underclass but your stereotype is hilariously wrong.

[chuff me dizzy]

The main reason why the Ghettos are atoned to blacks and drug deals and pimps are also depicted as predominantly black is an actual fact, not fiction. You can argue against fact and call it racism. Blacks call each other N.......s and brag thy are from the hood or the ghetto yet it seems controversial when a white utters these words. White trash is extremely racist but its not seen as a racist utterance, I wonder why.

:clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I cant recall the last time I watched a liveleak vid from the USA where black people did not call each other the n word constantly

its pathetic to hear

[Edna Mode]

:clap1:

You clearly aren't able to grasp the concept of reclaiming words.
You know it was goddamn racist and your continued and almost obsessive hate towards her on this board is questionable in itself.

Do you understand that black people have had terms like this used against them, as a way of demeaning them, for hundreds of years.
First of all, the term "ghetto" in this case is being used in an American sense, not a European sense by referring to "ghetto" in a way to describe being "low class black."
Although Megan is British, we know she was using "ghetto" in its pop-culturally and culturally intended meaning, in which it's referring to African Americans of low income and class. She certainly wasn't referring to the Warsaw ghettos or anything like that. She was using the term in the sense promoted by popculture, in reference towards African Americans.

Now, with reclaiming a word. Think of it like this. If somebody tossed a water balloon at you every morning, reclaiming a word is grabbing that water ballon from them and holding it in your hand so that they can't hit you with it anymore and cause the same amount of water damage.

That's what reclaiming a word does. Now, that applies more to the use of the "n word" within Black communities rather than the term ghetto. Though some rappers use the term in reference to where they may have once grew up because it is true that many African Americans grow up in low income urban areas that would commonly be referred to as "the ghetto," this word being applied to Tiffany most certainly does have a racial connotation. Why?


1. Tiffany isn't from "the ghetto." She's from Utica. A small city near upstate New York State, a few miles away from mountains, wilderness, and forest.

2. Megan was clearly going to say "another word" before pausing for a minute and saying the c word. what was she going to say? Pause the video and look at her teeth, lips, and mouth. Now go to a mirror and make an n sound. Note the similarities.

She did use this word in a racial context. She was drunk, she was angry. Furthermore, I think she knew she got caught making a racial comment, hence why, after she did and security came in, she suddenly started begging everybody, "don't put this on Telly! You can't put it on telly!"

Yes, she said a word that has a racial connotation to it.
She was using it in a demeaning way to say that Tiffany was low class and black.

As someone who studies language as well as culture and pop culture for a living, I can assure you that that word was not said by Megan in a non-racial way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You clearly aren't able to grasp the concept of reclaiming words.
You know it was goddamn racist and your continued and almost obsessive hate towards her on this board is questionable in itself.

Do you understand that black people have had terms like this used against them, as a way of demeaning them, for hundreds of years.
First of all, the term "ghetto" in this case is being used in an American sense, not a European sense by referring to "ghetto" in a way to describe being "low class black."
Although Megan is British, we know she was using "ghetto" in its pop-culturally and culturally intended meaning, in which it's referring to African Americans of low income and class. She certainly wasn't referring to the Warsaw ghettos or anything like that. She was using the term in the eu promoted by popculture, in reference towards African Americans.

Now, with reclaiming a word. Think of it like this. If somebody tossed a water balloon at you every morning, reclaiming a word is grabbing that water ballon from them and holding it in your hand so that they can't hit you with it anymore and cause the same amount of water damage.

That's what reclaiming a word does. Now, that applies more to the use of the "n word" within Black communities rather than the term ghetto. Though some rappers use the term in reference to where they may have once grew up because it is true that many African Americans grow up in low income urban areas that would commonly be referred to as "the ghetto," this word being applied to Tiffany most certainly does have a racial connotation. Why?


1. Tiffany isn't from "the ghetto." She's from Utica. A small city near upstate New York State, a few miles away from mountains, wilderness, and forest.

2. Megan was clearly going to say "another word" before pausing for a minute and saying the c word. what was she going to say? Pause the video and look at her teeth, lips, and mouth. Now go to a mirror and make an n sound. Note the similarities.

She did use this word in a racial context. She was drunk, she was angry. Furthermore, I think she knew she got caught making a racial comment, hence why, after she did and security came in, she suddenly started begging everybody, "don't put this on Telly! You can't put it on telly!"

Yes, she said a word that has a racial connotation to it.
She was using it in a demeaning way to say that Tiffany was low class and black.

As someone who studies language as well as culture and pop culture for a living, I can assure you that that word was not said by Megan in a non-racial way.

Do you understand that black people have had terms like this used against them, as a way of demeaning them, for hundreds of years.

How old are these people 200 years old?

I would imagine most black people under 40 have never heard it uttered by anyone apart from a black person

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Megan was clearly going to say "another word" before pausing for a minute and saying the c word."


Mindreading is not allowed on Tibb :nono:

[chuff me dizzy]

Do you understand that black people have had terms like this used against them, as a way of demeaning them, for hundreds of years.

How old are these people 200 years old?

I would imagine most black people under 40 have never heard it uttered by anyone apart from a black person

EXACTLY !!! Isn't it pathetic ?

[sampvt]

To put things in context....which of these statements is most offensive

1. You are black trash and come from the ghetto

2. You are white trash and come from a council estate.

Now maybe you can see who is point scoring.

[cassieparis]

To put things in context....which of these statements is most offensive

1. You are black trash and come from the ghetto

2. You are white trash and come from a council estate.

Now maybe you can see who is point scoring.


I think angry, impotent, toothless, foolish thirty to forty something PoC is wayyyyyyy more offensive. :laugh:

[Headie]

Do you understand that black people have had terms like this used against them, as a way of demeaning them, for hundreds of years.

How old are these people 200 years old?

I would imagine most black people under 40 have never heard it uttered by anyone apart from a black person

I've heard lots of white people say it in my area and I really don't like it. So please don't speak for me or anyone else.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've heard lots of white people say it in my area and I really don't like it. So please don't speak for me or anyone else.

sorry i dont believe you

[Headie]

Oh I must be lying then nvm

[Dominic]

When Tiffany is ever problematic no one seems to care is what bothers me

[Jessica.]

She definitely shouldn't have said that..

[Briancbbfan]

Something I've noticed and what really annoys me is that people are SO quick to claim "racism".

Megan is clearly NOT racist. In fairness, 'ghetto' to begin with isn't necessarily referring to black people. I do admit she meant it in that way, but ghetto is like a sassy behaviour which Tiffany displayed... people were tweeting before Megans rant "Tiff gone all ghetto" etc. I believe that comment was wrong and she should be warned but it by NO means makes her racist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Something I've noticed and what really annoys me is that people are SO quick to claim "racism".

Megan is clearly NOT racist. In fairness, 'ghetto' to begin with isn't necessarily referring to black people. I do admit she meant it in that way, but ghetto is like a sassy behaviour which Tiffany displayed... people were tweeting before Megans rant "Tiff gone all ghetto" etc. I believe that comment was wrong and she should be warned but it by NO means makes her racist.

:clap1:

[arista]

She definitely shouldn't have said that..


Yes Jess.
But thats over now.
She Got Official Warning
Next time Ejected


She is only 23
stop being so Hard on her.


In China they loved the Fight
it will be used in Education
Vodka and Angry Lady.


I want the new Robot being made to be
able to be polite back
when Angry Young madame is pointing her finger.


It will be "Sorry Madame"
"I hope I can learn from you" etc

The sub back up memory
will tell the Robot that she is illegal words
And must rest gentle etc.

Its Fantastic that Viacom Robots
will get cheaper.


The Cogs Are Turning

[Mystic Mock]

Clearly you don't understand the concept either.

Reclaiming a word is when you take an offensive slur historically used against you, and to try to take some of the 'pain out of the wound' (i can't think of the phrase here but I hope this makes sense to you) by using it as a term of endearment. It makes it so that word cannot be used in a pejorative way against you, because it would simply be a self-descriptor. The word 'queer' is a good example of this, it's even made its way into the sexuality acronym 'LGBTQ'. The meaning was changed from an insult to gay people to a descriptor of those outside the straight/LGBT descriptors of sexuality.

Also just out of curiosity, are you a minority yourself?

If the meaning of the words ***** and queer are having their meanings changed into a more positive light like "pal" or "bro" then I would like to hope that all groups of people will be allowed to use it someday.

[ScottyT]

It's not offensive. Get over it. Pulling out the race card AS PER USUAL.

[crazycolaist]

To people like Megan & the public the word "ghetto" is only associated to black people when they're uneducated and haven't gone out much.
FTFY.

she seems just as uneducated as the people who are moaning.

[Absorption]

I love the fact that no-one's offended she called her a 'c u n t' (which must be more offensive, as I had to space the letters out to stop the forum software from censoring it, whereas you can type 'ghetto')!

[empire]

tiffany wears the ghetto thing with honor, but if she called megan white trash, the PC morons would give her the mighty thumbs up, you can see how they manipulate this, because tiffany is the only black person there, that means she will get the victim card, words like black ghetto trash, and white trailer trash, are used all the time, its more of a class thing rather than a racial slur, the twitter users think there being very smart, they think because a white and black person argue, it all goes down to race, big brother has been ruined by this before, they need to ditch this throwing people out because of the words they say,