Ghetto and the C word?

[Will.]

Which do you think is more offensive?

I was speaking to someone in nursery today whilst watching Finding Nemo and making cup cakes and they said they don't get why people are finding Gehtto that offensive, they said it's not that racist and C word is more offensive.

Thoughts?

I don't really have an opinion on it, although I guess C word is never a good term regardless of the content.

[MB.]

I was speaking to someone in nursery today

I knew you were young Will but jeez

[Crimson Dynamo]

**** is a horrible word and degrades women

ghetto? - please

[Jack_]

I knew you were young Will but jeez

:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

I lost it

[bots]

the c word is almost common usage. Cant say I ever used or even been close to using ghetto, but it refers to a run down unlawful place to my thinking, and has no racial connotations to me anyway

[Northern Monkey]

Depends who you don't mind offending most women or black people.:laugh:
Seriously though i've heard women say "prick" many a time.**** is fair game imo.Ghetto is in itself not a racist word.
I'd say **** is more jarring to the ear.You call someone a **** they know you mean business.So i vote for ****.
Megan was not racist but she was close.If she'd said 'black ****' then that would have been racist but.....She did'nt.

[chuff me dizzy]

The C word

[Crimson Dynamo]

can you imagine if she had called her a n word ****:omgno:

I think that would have broke the internet more than Kims fat arse

it certainly would have killed twitter

[jet]

I have never associated the word ghetto with racism. :shocked:

I associate the word **** with aggression and venom. So to me that's worse.

[hot2go]

Ghetto is an ideology or a place of high unemployment....news flash, you don't have to be a black person to be hard up or to like gangster rap.....to attribute the ghetto to racism is an insult to the black community .....of course it's not racist and Magan wasn't being racist either....she was commenting on Tiffanys style and image not on the colour of her skin......those who want to defend Tiffanys stupidity will have to do better than the racist card....sorry, that's too easy a cop out.

[Headie]

Lemme guess, the person you were taking to was white.

Both are offensive but the "ghetto" part is often categorised as a negative stereotype of black people, whereas the c word is just an insult in general

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lemme guess, the person you were taking to was white.

Both are offensive but the "ghetto" part is often categorised as a negative stereotype of black people, whereas the c word is just an insult in general

so why do we only really hear black people using the word?

huh?

[hot2go]

The context in which the word ghetto is used can change its meaning where as the word **** is always offensive and aggressive when used to describe someone...it is possible to dislike a black or a white person and it have nothing at all to do with the colour of their skin...but if you call someone a **** then you pretty much think that person is a complete ****....LOL....

[Will.]

Lemme guess, the person you were taking to was white.

Both are offensive but the "ghetto" part is often categorised as a negative stereotype of black people, whereas the c word is just an insult in general

Actually the person wasn't white.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jamie Foxx made an arse of himself the other night at the globes by taking faux offence at the word uttered by Tarantino

google it

[Withano]

Neither are offensive to me. Ghettos exist. **** means vagina. The only way ghetto can be deemed racist is if a person was to presume that all ghettos are built up of only one race, this is untrue and more offensive than the word itself.

[kirklancaster]

It is all about context. She WAS intending to be racist when she used the word and she realised her intention.

The word 'Ghetto' is no more offensive than the words 'Council house' - until they are used in a an intentionally derogotary manner:

Can the phrase; "Get back to your council house" BE anything other than insulting?

American blacks DO use the 'N' word as a term of endearment when talking to each other or about each other, but that very same word has far more offensive intent when used by a non-black person to describe a black person.

If one of my white English mates were enjoying a bowl of fried rice and I called him a Rice Cruncher" it means nothing - Zilch - but if I said that to a Chinese man eating the same dish, then it would have a whole new meaning and would cause offence.

There was simply NO other reason for Megan to use the word 'Ghetto', and to defend the indefensible is laughable

And I am no P.C. aficionado.

[Ammi]

I have never associated the word ghetto with racism. :shocked:

I associate the word **** with aggression and venom. So to me that's worse.

..it is though Jet, it has a huge racist association and in the context that it was used..in anger..?..extremely offensive...there would never have been any 'ghettos', if black people had never been segregated and obviously they're associated with 'poverty/slum areas' as well because black people were discriminated in with employment also, so were very poor/struggled to have an earning...you can't live with white people, you can't work alongside white people, you can't share public transport with white people, you must live separately and etc and etc....and so the rise of the ghetto you could say. because where else was there..?...in the context it was said, while insulting Tiffany and in anger, it could not be perceived as anything other than extremely offensive and racist...the c word may offend some people but never ever with any historical associations of having been oppressed, so much less of an insult overall...

[Ammi]

It is all about context. She WAS intending to be racist when she used the word and she realised her intention.

The word 'Ghetto' is no more offensive than the words 'Council house' - until they are used in a an intentionally derogotary manner:

Can the phrase; "Get back to your council house" BE anything other than insulting?

American blacks DO use the 'N' word as a term of endearment when talking to each other or about each other, but that very same word has far more offensive intent when used by a non-black person to describe a black person.

If one of my white English mates were enjoying a bowl of fried rice and I called him a Rice Cruncher" it means nothing - Zilch - but if I said that to a Chinese man eating the same dish, then it would have a whole new meaning and would cause offence.

There was simply NO other reason for Megan to use the word 'Ghetto', and to defend the indefensible is laughable

And I am no P.C. aficionado.


..it is though Kirk, because ghettos existed as a place of segregation...

[kirklancaster]

..it is though Kirk, because ghettos existed as a place of segregation...

:laugh: Bless you Ammi, re-read my post. We are both saying the same thing.

[Ammi]

:laugh: Bless you Ammi, re-read my post. We are both saying the same thing.

...oooops, I might need Specsavers I think Kirk...:laugh:...

[kirklancaster]

...oooops, I might need Specsavers I think Kirk...:laugh:...

:laugh: Actually Ammi.....When DARE I disagree with you? :laugh:

[Denver]

C U Next Tuesday Gemma fat arse

[Macie Lightfoot]

Neither are offensive to me. Ghettos exist. **** means vagina. The only way ghetto can be deemed racist is if a person was to presume that all ghettos are built up of only one race, this is untrue and more offensive than the word itself.

but a ghetto is a place, not an adjective, and its use as an adjective is mostly by whiten people describing black people/culture. Like, nobody other than Tiffany would be called ghetto.

[Pete.]

Didn't Nikki use Ghetto to describe Aisleyne?

[Carl Jayson]

**** is a horrible word and degrades women

ghetto? - please

I don't care I'll still call them it :clap1: Female or male IDC :clap1:

Ghetto is disgusting and racist but it's made New York even more loved so :clap1: you tried it Megan ugly orange **** :clap1:

[antifagz]

saying using the word ghetto is racist is inherently racist, given that you're suggesting that only black people live in the ghetto.

any response that is along the lines of 'but she mean't.....' please contact me regarding your mind reading powers, as I'm extremely interested to see how you obtained this unique gift.

[Crimson Dynamo]

saying using the word ghetto is racist is inherently racist, given that you're suggesting that only black people live in the ghetto.

any response that is along the lines of 'but she mean't.....' please contact me regarding your mind reading powers, as I'm extremely interested to see how you obtained this unique gift.

dont try logic with the racist callers

:joker:

[Jamie89]

saying using the word ghetto is racist is inherently racist, given that you're suggesting that only black people live in the ghetto.

any response that is along the lines of 'but she mean't.....' please contact me regarding your mind reading powers, as I'm extremely interested to see how you obtained this unique gift.

That's not true. The fact that white people also live in ghetto's doesn't change the fact that it's a word which is sometimes used to describe black people. People keep saying that it's not offensive, because of the literal meaning of it, but completely ignore how it's used culturally. It's as ridiculous as saying that someone being called a cnt isn't offensive because the person being called it "isn't actually a vagina" :joker:

[arista]

Which do you think is more offensive?

I was speaking to someone in nursery today whilst watching Finding Nemo and making cup cakes and they said they don't get why people are finding Gehtto that offensive, they said it's not that racist and C word is more offensive.

Thoughts?

I don't really have an opinion on it, although I guess C word is never a good term regardless of the content.


Its the C word

But it made a Great Change to have a Fight like that.

Only BBC TV ignored it (as they do want any bbc
viewers watching ch5)

All other Channels spoke on it.
and BBC radio 5

[Withano]

but a ghetto is a place, not an adjective, and its use as an adjective is mostly by whiten people describing black people/culture. Like, nobody other than Tiffany would be called ghetto.

You presuming that Megan called Tiffany 'Ghetto' based on her race is more offensive than Megan calling Tiffany 'Ghetto'.
Ghetto is not a racist remark.

[arista]

You presuming that Megan called Tiffany 'Ghetto' based on her race is more offensive than Megan calling Tiffany 'Ghetto'.
Ghetto is not a racist remark.


Bang On Right
Withano

[ThriceShy]

You presuming that Megan called Tiffany 'Ghetto' based on her race is more offensive than Megan calling Tiffany 'Ghetto'.
Ghetto is not a racist remark.

So why did megan receive a warning for using racist language?

[Macie Lightfoot]

You presuming that Megan called Tiffany 'Ghetto' based on her race is more offensive than Megan calling Tiffany 'Ghetto'.
Ghetto is not a racist remark.

So what was your interpretation of the situation then? Genuinely curious because there's literally no way for a white woman to call a black woman a ghetto **** without there being some racial undertones.

but yes, how offensive of me to be offended and I'm the true racist and blah blah blah PC brigade gone mad

[Ammi]

...'ghetto' can't not be more potentially offensive than the c word because of it's association with black history of segregation, whereas with the c word, it's a personal thing as to whether it's more offensive terminology than anything else that was meant as an insult because in the context that they were both said, they were being used to express anger and to insult...I do honestly think though, looking back on it and after Megan calmed down and was spoken to by BB...she hadn't connected the meaning of it, so for her wasn't meant as a racist thing...so although it was right that BB warned her, it's an intentional thing as well..?../which I don't think she had..I think I've seen Aisleyne mentioned through this in that she had described herself as something like a 'ghetto chick' or whatever and that must never have been picked up on by BB or the public...well, if we always take out intent and literal meaning with things...then she surely would have also been being racist because she's white so has never been historically subjected to segregation as a minority and so to attach that word to herself would be racist as well..(I think, I'm getting confused now..:laugh:..)..so a difficult one really/complicated...I'm no fan of Megan at all and I think that BB has to act on these things but I honestly don't think that she realised there was any more offence to using that word, than there was to using any of the other words she had used as insults....

[antifagz]

That's not true. The fact that white people also live in ghetto's doesn't change the fact that it's a word which is sometimes used to describe black people. People keep saying that it's not offensive, because of the literal meaning of it, but completely ignore how it's used culturally. It's as ridiculous as saying that someone being called a cnt isn't offensive because the person being called it "isn't actually a vagina" :joker:

no, you're wrong there. I've never said it's not offensive.. I'm saying it's not racist. There is a massive difference. Without prejudiced I believe you've fallen into my 'mind-reading category' given that you're basically suggesting you know how she meant it, and we've miss-interpreted it. Without actually giving any evidence of that it was intended in that manner. You're giving your opinion which you're completely entitle too, the same as everyone is.

Regarding your 2nd point, the word ***** is only as offensive as you take it. Personally for me, if someone was to call me a *****, I wouldn't be offended in the slightest, given that I would't give them the credit of having enough intelligence to form an opinion on me. So the same kinda point applies to this as to the 'ghetto' point. The word is only as 'offensive' as you interpret it.

[Jamie89]

no, you're wrong there. I've never said it's not offensive.. I'm saying it's not racist. There is a massive difference. Without prejudiced I believe you've fallen into my 'mind-reading category' given that you're basically suggesting you know how she meant it, and we've miss-interpreted it. Without actually giving any evidence of that it was intended in that manner. You're giving your opinion which you're completely entitle too, the same as everyone is.

Regarding your 2nd point, the word ***** is only as offensive as you take it. Personally for me, if someone was to call me a *****, I wouldn't be offended in the slightest, given that I would't give them the credit of having enough intelligence to form an opinion on me. So the same kinda point applies to this as to the 'ghetto' point. The word is only as 'offensive' as you interpret it.

I'm not saying I know how she intended it, none of us do really, which is the only reason I didn't originally address your mind-reading point :laugh:. I was just referencing what you were saying about how it's racist to assume that only black people live in ghetto's, when for me, this debate isn't about the literal definition of what a ghetto is, but how the term can be perceived and intended when it's used against a black person. I don't think it's always used in a racist way, like you've said, it entirely depends on the intent of the person using it which is why I said 'sometimes' in my original post. I simply disagree with the side of the argument that is saying "it can't be racist because white people live in ghetto's too" is all, because I don't think that the definition of the word is relevant. So I'm speaking generally about the word, more than I am assuming what Megan was thinking.

I don't totally disagree with your 2nd point, for example I'm gay and I don't get offended by the word fag for the same reasons you gave, whereas a lot of other people do, so how it's interpreted is of course an important factor. But that doesn't take away from the fact that the person using the term has to take some responsibility in the event that someone does take offence, because if someone is going to use a potentially offensive word, I believe that they should accept that they are likely to be pulled up on it, and face criticism for it, and have their intent questioned. Surely that's just something that naturally comes along with the use of offensive words. So if they don't want people to assume that they might be racist, they shouldn't use a term that can be perceived in that way in the first place.

[antifagz]

I'm not saying I know how she intended it, none of us do really, which is the only reason I didn't originally address your mind-reading point :laugh:. I was just referencing what you were saying about how it's racist to assume that only black people live in ghetto's, when for me, this debate isn't about the literal definition of what a ghetto is, but how the term can be perceived and intended when it's used against a black person. I don't think it's always used in a racist way, like you've said, it entirely depends on the intent of the person using it which is why I said 'sometimes' in my original post. I simply disagree with the side of the argument that is saying "it can't be racist because white people live in ghetto's too" is all, because I don't think that the definition of the word is relevant. So I'm speaking generally about the word, more than I am assuming what Megan was thinking.

I don't totally disagree with your 2nd point, for example I'm gay and I don't get offended by the word fag for the same reasons you gave, whereas a lot of other people do, so how it's interpreted is of course an important factor. But that doesn't take away from the fact that the person using the term has to take some responsibility in the event that someone does take offence, because if someone is going to use a potentially offensive word, I believe that they should accept that they are likely to be pulled up on it, and face criticism for it, and have their intent questioned. Surely that's just something that naturally comes along with the use of offensive words. So if they don't want people to assume that they might be racist, they shouldn't use a term that can be perceived in that way in the first place.

Firstly thanks for actually taking the time to explain your reasons for what you've said, makes it soooo much easier to have a debate/conversation etc when people actually give valid reasons for views etc, and what you've said does make sense.

As you've said I think it's all in the context of what's being said, for example by me saying ghetto cannot be racist I'm referring to the way the word isn't a direct insult at someone race. by all means if megan says 'get back to the ghetto you black ****' or whatever, then it's the context in the way it's said that makes it racist. In the quoted sentence there it would be the word 'black' and referring to go back to the ghetto suggesting only black people live in the ghetto etc. Saying ghetto itself even in that sentence is not itself racist. Hope that kinda helps in where I'm getting at. Then referring to the original statement, I feel it's just as likely she meant ghetto in terms of 'trashy' as it is that she meant it in a racist way.

I guess I'm just not a fan of the guilty until proved innocent culture we seem (in my view) to live in. Personally I see it as 2 people having an argument and a comment was made that because she was talking to a black women a lot has been made out of it, where as if she had said something similar to a white women, it would have just been seen as a row. But I do take on board the point regarding if you watch what you say it would solve the issue, however it's a fine line because everyone has different levels of what they consider 'offensive'. I guess that's kinda the reason this topic / issue has even come up ;) :joker:

[billy123]

Lmfao. Ghetto bitches everywhere are crying with fail.