Is Kristina Racist?

[LukeB]

When Tiffany was angry, Kristina said she was fearing for her life and wanted her gone etc but when Megan was angry.. which was worse than Tiffany's she didn't fear her and wanted her to stay.. I think Kristina was stereotyping here.



this is not about Kristina disliking Tiffany......

[Vicky.]

I don't know if she is racist, or if she just really does not like Tiffany.

Also I get the scared of Tiff but not of Megan thing. I posted in another thread that MEgan comes across seriously pathetic and I would probably laugh at her getting up in my face, but I would be more wary of Tiffany (and a few others).

[Northern Monkey]

Nobody has been racist so far in this series.Why are people so desperate for racism these days?

[LukeB]

Nobody has been racist so far in this series.Why are people so desperate for racism these days?

No one is desperate for racism, no one wants it to happen but I fell fearing a black female and not a white female who was worse is quite suspicious.. you do know some people avoid to walk pass black males/females like crossing the road because they think something is going to happen.. which is stereotyping.. Kristina fearing Tiffany and not Megan is going to get people wondering this kind of stuff.

[Jake.]

like vicky said, megan's the type I'd end up laughing at because she ends up looking like a screaming beetroot

I'd be far more wary of tiff kicking off

[Northern Monkey]

Megan is a skinny little girl who's about as scary as a bunch of flowers.Tiffany is bigger in stature and looks like she could drop someone if she caught them right.Colour is of little importance.

[LukeB]

Tiffany may be bigger but her reaction was normal like any other persons and the people fearing her was quite pathetic and OTT.. It was harmless nothing to be scared of but people like to stereotype. I would fear Megan if i was in that house if she acted like that and not Tiffany

[Vicky.]

Megan is a skinny little girl who's about as scary as a bunch of flowers.Tiffany is bigger in stature and looks like she could drop someone if she caught them right.Colour is of little importance.

Indeed.

Of the women I would be more wary of Daniella, Gemma, Tiff, maybe Nancy and possibly Angie.

I would laugh in the face of Kristina, Megan and Stephanie if they started.

[Dominic]

Nobody has been racist so far in this series.Why are people so desperate for racism these days?

It's not fearing for racism. In fact I don't think anyone thinks that Kristina is making racist comments or whatever, it's just her and a few other housemates make it obvious they're naturally intimidated by black housemates, or just more fond of their own race.

[hot2go]

Megan was psycho and drunk....Tiffany was psycho and sober....both stupid idiots but I've yet to see anyone go as crazy as Tiffany when sober....she is def the most disturbed.....I see no reason to associate being disturbed with race or colour....it's not racist, Tiffany is just a fruit cake

[Shaun]

No

[Drew.]

Definitely not

[hot2go]

Megan was correct in her observations, Tiffany was totally incorrect in hers.....both were wrong in their delivery

[Lostie!]

I don't know if she is racist, or if she just really does not like Tiffany.

Exactly this tbh.

I think accusations of racism are being too casually flung around at the moment, it's a pretty serious thing to publicly accuse someone of.

[LukeB]

Exactly this tbh.

I think accusations of racism are being too casually flung around at the moment, it's a pretty serious thing to publicly accuse someone of.

it's only flung around because of what people say and do tbh, black people get treated different to white people, so of course Kristina fearing Tiffany and not Megan is going to raise eyebrows. And the ghetto comment has offended people so people are going to talk about that.

[Ninastar]

Exactly this tbh.

I think accusations of racism are being too casually flung around at the moment, it's a pretty serious thing to publicly accuse someone of.

Once again well said. Remind me to nominate you in the tibb nominations thread :love:

[hot2go]

Why if some one attacks Tiffany on here then they get called racist but if someone attacks John they don't get called homophobic.....some very immature people about......are Tiffany fans so inarticulate that their only defence of Tiffanys appalling personality is that she's not white...what an insult to black people that is ....

[aj2463]

Kristina seems really reserved, non-existent at times.. Maybe Tiff just ain't her cup of tea.. That's giving Kristina the benefit of the doubt of course

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.beagardner.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/bottom-of-barrell.png

[chuff me dizzy]

Why if some one attacks Tiffany on here then they get called racist but if someone attacks John they don't get called homophobic.....some very immature people about......are Tiffany fans so inarticulate that their only defence of Tiffanys appalling personality is that she's not white...what an insult to black people that is ....

Post of the day :clap1:

[LukeB]

Why if some one attacks Tiffany on here then they get called racist but if someone attacks John they don't get called homophobic.....some very immature people about......are Tiffany fans so inarticulate that their only defence of Tiffanys appalling personality is that she's not white...what an insult to black people that is ....

That's not the point... people can say what they want etc but it's about treating people differently because of who they are...

[Macie Lightfoot]

Why if some one attacks Tiffany on here then they get called racist but if someone attacks John they don't get called homophobic.....some very immature people about......are Tiffany fans so inarticulate that their only defence of Tiffanys appalling personality is that she's not white...what an insult to black people that is ....

because the Angry Gay Man isn't a perpetuated stereotype while the Angry Black Woman is?

[hot2go]

because the Angry Gay Man isn't a perpetuated stereotype while the Angry Black Woman is?

I disagree ....I don't associate being a black female with being angry or hysterical .....this week I've seen an angry black woman and an angry white woman both behaving as bad as each other.....the only difference being that one was sober and one was drunk...even tho being drunk excuses nothing it does however explain a lot....Tiffany went into melt down at lunch time while totally sober....her behaviour around Angie Bowie in the aftermath of her stupid stupid mistake is something that should be used against her every nominations day between now and when she gets booted out

[Macie Lightfoot]

do you understand that why you personally associate doesn't change perpetuated stereotypes? Your post pretty much reads "well I don't associate black women with being hysterical or angry so there's no way that anybody else does ever"

[alex_front2]

To be fair I can envisage that before Kristina moved out of Eastern Europe to USA she probably never met a black person before. That's quite probable. I notice many - but obviously not all - Eastern Europeans in my experience are a bit sniffy about black people. My Polish friend often shouts at and rebukes racist Polish people in London who are racist in the language and think they can get away with it , unbenownst there is a fellow speaker their midst and she snaps at these people ALOT. I hope this is not the case with Kristina

[Crimson Dynamo]

When Tiffany was angry, Kristina said she was fearing for her life and wanted her gone etc but when Megan was angry.. which was worse than Tiffany's she didn't fear her and wanted her to stay.. I think Kristina was stereotyping here.

stereotyping?

please explain because I think you are stereotyping for her and that is a little bit racist

:nono:

[alex_front2]

Black women are very negatively stereotyped by alot of people including even by black guys.

Black women are stereotyped as being vulgar, angry, aggressive, humourless, crude, violent, inarticulate, coarse, loud, stupid, hard nosed, tough, belligerent, pugnacious, unattractive, jealous of white women, teeth kissing, badly dressed, overweight, unworthy, lazy, unworthy of marriage, having 5 kids by 4 different men and nonwedding, ghetto, trashy, uneducated , rabid, wanton, sexually promiscuous and unlikeable

[reece(:]

She has tendencies.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Black women are very negatively stereotyped by alot of people including even by black guys.

Black women are stereotyped as being vulgar, angry, aggressive, humourless, crude, violent, inarticulate, coarse, loud, stupid, hard nosed, tough, belligerent, pugnacious, unattractive, jealous of white women, teeth kissing, badly dressed, overweight, unworthy, lazy, unworthy of marriage, having , 5 kids by 4 different men and nonwedding, ghetto, trashy, uneducated , rabid, wanton, sexually promiscuous and unlikeable

thats quite the list you have there

:joker:

[alex_front2]

thats quite the list you have there

:joker:

I actually was trying to keep it brief :joker:

[jaxie]

It seems OTT to me to cry racist all the time. Maybe Kristina just doesn't like Tiffany, it does happen you know, sometimes we just don't like some people. Tiffany is very loud and hysterical type of person, not everyone can or wants to deal with that.

[Raph]

Very well said Luke :clap1: Glad you brought up this point buddy

[Absorption]

Kristina is racist. I remember the time we were travelling to a KKK meeting and she'd forgotten to bring a burning cross with her. It was a real nightmare!

Fortunately, we managed to acquire one from will.i.am (he was going through a bit of an identity crisis at the time, poor fellow) and so all was not lost. I always remember this act of kindness whenever I hear the Black-Eyed Peas.

[antifagz]

Kristina is 100% racist. I mean making one comment against 1 person is racist. How is this allowed it's beyond a joke. Does anyone have the racist police number, i wish to make a formal complaint!

[chuff me dizzy]

Black women are very negatively stereotyped by alot of people including even by black guys.

Black women are stereotyped as being vulgar, angry, aggressive, humourless, crude, violent, inarticulate, coarse, loud, stupid, hard nosed, tough, belligerent, pugnacious, unattractive, jealous of white women, teeth kissing, badly dressed, overweight, unworthy, lazy, unworthy of marriage, having 5 kids by 4 different men and nonwedding, ghetto, trashy, uneducated , rabid, wanton, sexually promiscuous and unlikeable

Wow ,that must have taken you hours to concoct

[antifagz]

Black women are very negatively stereotyped by alot of people including even by black guys.

Black women are stereotyped as being vulgar, angry, aggressive, humourless, crude, violent, inarticulate, coarse, loud, stupid, hard nosed, tough, belligerent, pugnacious, unattractive, jealous of white women, teeth kissing, badly dressed, overweight, unworthy, lazy, unworthy of marriage, having 5 kids by 4 different men and nonwedding, ghetto, trashy, uneducated , rabid, wanton, sexually promiscuous and unlikeable

no smoke without fire

[Crimson Dynamo]

She must be homophobic also as she has never had a homosexual bf

its disgusting

[Amy Jade]

Kristina is 100% racist. I mean making one comment against 1 person is racist. How is this allowed it's beyond a joke. Does anyone have the racist police number, i wish to make a formal complaint!

no smoke without fire

http://www.teen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/sassy-cher-lloyd-um-yeah-gif.gif

[antifagz]

i was going for irony, did I fail :(

[Babayaro.]

lol no

[chuff me dizzy]

She must be homophobic also as she has never had a homosexual bf

its disgusting

Thats just cemented it Kristina IS a dirty rotten racist/homophobe !!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thats just cemented it Kristina IS a dirty rotten racist/homophobe !!

and a communist too

[Stevep]

Clearly a sexist too, i mean why else would she deny Tiffany's help with the washing up?

Awful woman.

[chuff me dizzy]

and a communist too

Bitch she is ,an utter bitch

[chuff me dizzy]

Clearly a sexist too, i mean why else would she deny Tiffany's help with the washing up?

Awful woman.

Forgot about that one :thumbs:

[Kazanne]

http://www.beagardner.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/bottom-of-barrell.png

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[cassieparis]

Why is it that the worse thing you can call a Racist is racist? I guess it reveals your damage.

Kristina has avoided, isolated, feared, labelled and branded Tiffany based on the same things other H/Ms do but drawing different and more negative conclusions.

How is Tiffany different to other H/Ms?

Just because the racists here cannot be as subtle as Kristina, doesn't mean decent people can't see her and call her out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kristina just exposed a bully

People will have to come to terns with that fact

[Lostie!]

it's only flung around because of what people say and do tbh, black people get treated different to white people, so of course Kristina fearing Tiffany and not Megan is going to raise eyebrows. And the ghetto comment has offended people so people are going to talk about that.

It's more understandable with the ghetto comment, but I see no reason at all for Kristina to be getting accused of being racist. A tad unreasonable? Sure. I think it would have been more productive for her to accept Tiffany's olive branch that day. But the fact that she just doesn't like Tiffany shouldn't automatically become a race thing because I don't think there's been any indication of that whatsoever, personally.

Once again well said. Remind me to nominate you in the tibb nominations thread :love:

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[Denver]

Not TIBB reaching higher then S club 7

[LukeB]

It's more understandable with the ghetto comment, but I see no reason at all for Kristina to be getting accused of being racist. A tad unreasonable? Sure. I think it would have been more productive for her to accept Tiffany's olive branch that day. But the fact that she just doesn't like Tiffany shouldn't automatically become a race thing because I don't think there's been any indication of that whatsoever, personally.[/IMG]

I;m asking other peoples views on it and it's not about hating/disliking Tiffany, It's about her being a pathetic woman fearing for her life over Tiffany when her anger was normal and fine but when Megan reacted badly like worse than Tiffany she didn't want her to go like she did with Tiffany who was harmless. Like it signs of stereotyping because they are seen as 'loud' 'aggressive' 'dangerous' etc.. which is why BB cast them for....

[MB.]

Is the Pope Rastafarian?

[Kazanne]

No she's not racist

[armand.kay]

Imo she is clearly Megan was really out of control the other night and if I was in the house regardless of whether or not I thought I could take someone on if someone was behaving the way in which Megan was I feel incredibly uncomfortable and more unsafe than I would feel with someone like New York around.

[billy123]

So bored of the silliness on here.

[bananarama]

Nobody has been racist so far in this series.Why are people so desperate for racism these days?


The fantasy racist holier than though brigade always see a basic personality clash to be racist if the clash involves someone of a different race.

Your right some people feel a need to make themselves feel good by displaying their goody goody two shoes credentials.

[Slevin]

So bored of the silliness on here.
agreed

[Ammi]

Is the Pope Rastafarian?

..yes, because we all know who the real spiritual guide was../bit of a dumb question MB....


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dJJ73KkfC-0/VKlefOd1_xI/AAAAAAAAAJs/dQa-OPIU-1w/s1600/bob%2Bmarley%2Brasta%2Bjes.jpg

[kirklancaster]

No - Kristina was just being a nasty bitch but it wasn't racist. I still maintain that the context in which Megan used the term 'Ghetto ****' WAS intended to be racist, but let's all not get carried away.

[kirklancaster]

..yes, because we all know who the real spiritual guide was../bit of a dumb question MB....


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dJJ73KkfC-0/VKlefOd1_xI/AAAAAAAAAJs/dQa-OPIU-1w/s1600/bob%2Bmarley%2Brasta%2Bjes.jpg

:laugh: Ah yes, Ammi, and how Bob worshipped the sacred Ganja - I mean Ganges. :hehe:

[antifagz]

Why is it that the worse thing you can call a Racist is racist? I guess it reveals your damage.

Kristina has avoided, isolated, feared, labelled and branded Tiffany based on the same things other H/Ms do but drawing different and more negative conclusions.

How is Tiffany different to other H/Ms?

Just because the racists here cannot be as subtle as Kristina, doesn't mean decent people can't see her and call her out.

100% agree. I've just checked the government website and have found this:

Racially/religiously aggravated intentional harassment/alarm/distress (s.31(1)(b) CDA) Crown Court - 2 years imprisonment
Magistrates' court - 6 months Magistrates' court 6 months

I'm sure Kristina will enjoy her minimum of 6 months in prison.

I'm so glad people like you are here to decide who is racist and who isn't so we can rid the world of these disguising people. You're an inspiration to us all.

My only slight concern, which I'm sure you'll have the answer to is:

what are we going to do about the evidence? I mean we have none right... but that doesn't matter I guess, technically she was mean to a black women and said the word 'ghetto'. That's more than enough.. send the b1tch down!!! :)

[cassieparis]

100% agree. I've just checked the government website and have found this:

Racially/religiously aggravated intentional harassment/alarm/distress (s.31(1)(b) CDA) Crown Court - 2 years imprisonment
Magistrates' court - 6 months Magistrates' court 6 months

I'm sure Kristina will enjoy her minimum of 6 months in prison.

I'm so glad people like you are here to decide who is racist and who isn't so we can rid the world of these disguising people. You're an inspiration to us all.

My only slight concern, which I'm sure you'll have the answer to is:

what are we going to do about the evidence? I mean we have none right... but that doesn't matter I guess, technically she was mean to a black women and said the word 'ghetto'. That's more than enough.. send the b1tch down!!! :)

Hunty last time I checked I was still entitled to my opinion.
Avoided, isolated, labelled. This is all evidence. So be careful.

Take three Nicorette/Bigotrette and get back to me. Soon! :wavey:

[antifagz]

Hunty last time I checked I was still entitled to my opinion.
Avoided, isolated, labelled. This is all evidence. So be careful.

Take three Nicorette/Bigotrette and get back to me. Soon! :wavey:

Oh of course, I'd never dream of taking your views away, seriously everyone is entitled to their view on everything. Beauty of our race as all being human, we all think differently about everything, that I do honestly respect.

What I'm doing is questioning your views. I'm not here to change them. Regarding evidence 'Avoided, isolated, labelled' is not evidence of racism, I'm happy to hear you out on why you think what you think, I'm just not sure that those 3 words are proof of racism. I think they're just things that she's done as a result of having an argument with a women who happens to be black.

[hot2go]

Black women are very negatively stereotyped by alot of people including even by black guys.

Black women are stereotyped as being vulgar, angry, aggressive, humourless, crude, violent, inarticulate, coarse, loud, stupid, hard nosed, tough, belligerent, pugnacious, unattractive, jealous of white women, teeth kissing, badly dressed, overweight, unworthy, lazy, unworthy of marriage, having 5 kids by 4 different men and nonwedding, ghetto, trashy, uneducated , rabid, wanton, sexually promiscuous and unlikeable

Shame you believe that...I've never met anyone black or white who thinks that....but what is curious is the self fulfilling prophecy that people like Tiffany seem to have....if she shares your opinion then why go on national tele and actually act out so many of the traits that you have just listed.....why would she do that to herself ?

[ScottyT]

Shame you believe that...I've never met anyone black or white who thinks that....but what is curious is the self fulfilling prophecy that people like Tiffany seem to have....if she shares your opinion then why go on national tele and actually act out so many of the traits that you have just listed.....why would she do that to herself ?

Precisely. Tiffany isn't exactly breaking any stereotypes lol..

[cassieparis]

Regarding evidence 'Avoided, isolated, labelled' is not evidence of racism

Try it as an employer or even as an employee. Pick someone whose, skin color, religion, gender, sexuality, medical status, age or disability is different to yours and avoid isolate and label them.

You're a bigot right? With a name like Antifagz with a no smoke symbol you're trying to hide in plain sight :notimpressed:? I see you.

[hot2go]

Kristina is unassuming and reserved and has integrity.....Tiffany is unintelligent and aggressive and vulgar. ....of course Kristina found her threatening, why wouldn't she....Tiffany is an aggressor ...make no difference what colour her skin is....she could be black, white or sky blue pink, would still be the same story...she is deranged

Interesting how people prefer to assume her fears were because of racism and not because she is carrying a baby....what is wrong with people ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kristina is unassuming and reserved and has integrity.....Tiffany is unintelligent and aggressive and vulgar. ....of course Kristina found her threatening, why wouldn't she....Tiffany is an aggressor ...make no difference what colour her skin is....she could be black, white or sky blue pink, would still be the same story...she is deranged

Interesting how people prefer to assume her fears were because of racism and not because she is carrying a baby....what is wrong with people ?

:clap1:

[antifagz]

Try it as an employer or even as an employee. Pick someone whose, skin color, religion, gender, sexuality, medical status, age or disability is different to yours and avoid isolate and label them.

You're a bigot right? With a name like Antifagz with a no smoke symbol you're trying to hide in plain sight :notimpressed:? I see you.

haha again you're proving yourself to be quite the intellectual.

Do you even understand what the word bigot means? My guess is not. Because the definition of bigot is 'a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.' So if you could explain how I'm being intolerant, I'd be very interested in hearing that. Because last time I checked I was questioning your opinion... that's not being intolerant, and if by some means it is being intolerant, then it's no different to what you're doing to me. So if I'm a bigot, you yourself also a bigot :) welcome to the club!

In terms of your first point, if this is true, then surely Tiff is no different, and must also be a racist, as she has avoided isolated and labeled a few people in the house who's race is different to hers... DAMN ALL THESE RACISTS!!!! haha.

[cassieparis]

Kristina is unassuming and reserved and has integrity.....Tiffany is unintelligent and aggressive and vulgar. ....of course Kristina found her threatening, why wouldn't she....Tiffany is an aggressor ...make no difference what colour her skin is....she could be black, white or sky blue pink, would still be the same story...she is deranged

Interesting how people prefer to assume her fears were because of racism and not because she is carrying a baby....what is wrong with people ?

Integrity??? :joker: :joker:

Megan is an aggressor. = double standard.

Yes the black lady's gonna hurt me but not the raving white little girl.

[cassieparis]

haha again you're proving yourself to be quite the intellectual.

Do you even understand what the word bigot means? My guess is not. Because the definition of bigot is 'a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.' So if you could explain how I'm being intolerant, I'd be very interested in hearing that. Because last time I checked I was questioning your opinion... that's not being intolerant, and if by some means it is being intolerant, then it's no different to what you're doing to me. So if I'm a bigot, you yourself also a bigot :) welcome to the club!

In terms of your first point, if this is true, then surely Tiff is no different, and must also be a racist, as she has avoided isolated and labeled a few people in the house who's race is different to hers... DAMN ALL THESE RACISTS!!!! haha.


It was the haha that got me :pat:

I am referring to your monicker dumb dumb. It's offensive in its ambiguity.

Also you're contradicting yourself in regards to evidence.

The question is posed in regards Kristina not Tiffany but you're welcome to highlight anything you like. Just not to me.

Now go away. You're blocked.:sleep:

[Jamesy]

At this rate if a housemate says Tiff has a horrid dress they will be accused of racism...

[LukeB]

At this rate if a housemate says Tiff has a horrid dress they will be accused of racism...

This is a really over the top comment.... it's not about disliking TIffany at all i didn;t say it was... it's about treating someone differently than another because of who they are... it could be seen as stereotyping.. so you missed the whole point ... i'm asking a question on it and seeing other peoples views on it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

At this rate if a housemate says Tiff has a horrid dress they will be accused of racism...

quite

[Crimson Dynamo]

and her dresses are just that

horrid

[antifagz]

i've been blocked because someone doesn't agree with my points.. who's the bigot now :) win win for me!

[Suze]

No.

[hot2go]

Integrity??? :joker: :joker:

Megan is an aggressor. = double standard.

Yes the black lady's gonna hurt me but not the raving white little girl.

Megan was drunk....excuses nothing but explains a lot....Tiffany was sober, it was lunch time, she went temporarily insane....big difference....Kristna has prob seen drunk women behave like that before but I doubt she's seen someone go from zero to insane in 10 seconds when totally sober

Megan was attacking John.....Tiffany was at war with the whole house...volatile, unpredictable and dangerous....she was attacking an old woman who was grieving and in shock so every reason to think she could just as easily attack a pregnant girl....nothing at all to do with her being black, she's as contemptable and appalling as the girl who won BB in the summer and she was white as a slab of ice....she is just awful, plain and simple ...just as awful as Megan....this isn't an either/or situation, they're both hideous people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Megan was drunk....excuses nothing but explains a lot....Tiffany was sober, it was lunch time, she went temporarily insane....big difference....Kristna has prob seen drunk women behave like that before but I doubt she's seen someone go from zero to insane in 10 seconds when totally sober

Megan was attacking John.....Tiffany was at war with the whole house...volatile, unpredictable and dangerous....she was attacking an old woman who was grieving and in shock so every reason to think she could just as easily attack a pregnant girl....nothing at all to do with her being black, she's as contemptable and appalling as the girl who won BB in the summer and she was white as a slab of ice....she is just awful, plain and simple ...just as awful as Megan....this isn't an either/or situation, they're both hideous people.

bang on right

[cassieparis]

Megan was drunk....excuses nothing but explains a lot....Tiffany was sober, it was lunch time, she went temporarily insane....big difference....Kristna has prob seen drunk women behave like that before but I doubt she's seen someone go from zero to insane in 10 seconds when totally sober

Megan was attacking John.....Tiffany was at war with the whole house...volatile, unpredictable and dangerous....she was attacking an old woman who was grieving and in shock so every reason to think she could just as easily attack a pregnant girl....nothing at all to do with her being black, she's as contemptable and appalling as the girl who won BB in the summer and she was white as a slab of ice....she is just awful, plain and simple ...just as awful as Megan....this isn't an either/or situation, they're both hideous people.

No, the whole house was at war with Tiffany. Although I saw her go nowhere near Kristina. But I understand the need to protect yourself from any madness including Megan's but Kristina was cheerful and undistressed when Megan kicked off.

Drunks have a greater propensity to be violent volatile and unpredictable. As was Megan yet Tiffany is labelled.

It's a double standard to make Megan's rage benign and Tiffany this stone cold calculated violent person.

[Vicky.]

Still don't really get how Kristinas 'fear' of Tiffany and apparent ease with Megan means she is racist rather than Megan just not realistically being a threat to anyone :shrug:

Until one of the other less pathetic women kicks off and we see Kristinas reaction to that...we can't really judge.

[LukeB]

Still don't really get how Kristinas 'fear' of Tiffany and apparent ease with Megan means she is racist rather than Megan just not realistically being a threat to anyone :shrug:

Until one of the other less pathetic women kicks off and we see Kristinas reaction to that...we can't really judge.

not saying she is racist for sure, just asking a question and others peoples views on it.. like most people are asking why the housemates were fearing for their life over Tiffany when her reaction wasn't that bad like Tiffany was harmless. But when Megan flipped which was not even funny and worse than Tiffany's.. she was out of control anything could have happened and was more intimating with her behaviour no one said anything... like people are going to question that. I do feel Kristina and others were stereotyping.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Still don't really get how Kristinas 'fear' of Tiffany and apparent ease with Megan means she is racist rather than Megan just not realistically being a threat to anyone :shrug:

Until one of the other less pathetic women kicks off and we see Kristinas reaction to that...we can't really judge.

I think there was a lot of heavily coded language and buzzwords like how Tiffany is HARMFUL and UNSAFE when the edit didn't really justify that, and that kinda hints at some racial undertones to me.

[Vicky.]

I think there was a lot of heavily coded language and buzzwords like how Tiffany is HARMFUL and UNSAFE when the edit didn't really justify that, and that kinda hints at some racial undertones to me.

Of course it is possible..I do think its odd quite how much of a dislike Kristina has taken to Tiffany. I just think that maybe, instead of automatically thinking its about race...other factors should be considered too. Like (as I have stated a few times in this thread) how non-threatening and pathetic Megan is even mid rant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think there was a lot of heavily coded language and buzzwords like how Tiffany is HARMFUL and UNSAFE when the edit didn't really justify that, and that kinda hints at some racial undertones to me.

what a load of tosh:joker:

[Livia]

Another perceived racism threat. Maybe, for safety's sake, the black people should stay away from the white people, just in case they say something that someone (usually a white person) thinks is racist.

[Northern Monkey]

what a load of tosh:joker:

New dictionary definitions

HARMFUL = BLACK

UNSAFE = BLACK

:joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

All I'm saying is that Megan was the one frothing at the mouth and actually demonstrating "harmful" or "unsafe" behavior but all we heard was that it's Tiffany who has to go.

[Crimson Dynamo]

All I'm saying is that Megan was the one frothing at the mouth and actually demonstrating "harmful" or "unsafe" behavior but all we heard was that it's Tiffany who has to go.



different times and different circumstances

[Carl Jayson]

Kristina is getting fat, there's no way she will ever dance again she will squash her partner.

[Denver]

Kristina is getting fat, there's no way she will ever dance again she will squash her partner.

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kristina is getting fat, there's no way she will ever dance again she will squash her partner.

she is pregnant

are you aware what that means?

:umm2:

[Ninastar]

Another perceived racism threat. Maybe, for safety's sake, the black people should stay away from the white people, just in case they say something that someone (usually a white person) thinks is racist.

how racist of you Livia. I'm offended

[cassieparis]

Still don't really get how Kristinas 'fear' of Tiffany and apparent ease with Megan means she is racist rather than Megan just not realistically being a threat to anyone :shrug:

Until one of the other less pathetic women kicks off and we see Kristinas reaction to that...we can't really judge.


Because of the racial stereotype that black people will be more of any negative characteristic such as violent. A stereotype that has been attributed to Tiffany. Even though drunken P!$e heads like Megan cause untold criminal damage in the UK every night.

Megan's rage is considered impotent amusing benign. Whereas Kristina adopted an attitude of caution and fear for Tiffany because she's taken on this negative stereotype.

[Vicky.]

Because of the racial stereotype that black people will be more of any negative characteristic such as violent. A stereotype that has been attributed to Tiffany. Even though drunken P!$e heads like Megan cause untold criminal damage in the UK every night.

Megan's rage is considered impotent amusing benign. Whereas Kristina adopted an attitude of caution and fear for Tiffany because she's taken on this negative stereotype.

Why does it always have to be about race though...

Like I said either in this thread or another similar one...I would find Megans rage hilarious and would in no way feel even slightly threatened as she is a pathetic tiny beetroot face on a drunken rampage. Where if Tiffanys rage was directed at me, I would feel less easy about it.

Not because of race either, as I would feel the same with Gemma or Daniella, and a couple of others. Nothing to do with stereotypes..just some people are more...scary than others in general :laugh: That may not be the right choice of words, but I'm sure people will understand what I mean by it

Again, I'm not saying kristina is NOT racist, just that to jump to the conclusion that she is for this reason is a bit silly to me...

[LukeB]

Tiffany rage wasn't scary/intimidating in any way, it was normal, so i don't really understand why anyone would fear her over that, like making out she's some dangerous psycho that's going to harm someone.. TIffany was harmless and gets told to leave and got isolated.. sorry that's comes across over the top and overreacting over something so small.. but when someone who was acting like a psycho and anything could have happened because she was out of control, gets a different treatment.

[LukeB]

And I'm not even accusing her of being racist... just asking a question seeing other peoples views on it.. it's not a silly question at all, many people would wonder the same thing. It's not about disliking/hating someone,, it's about treating people differently to another.

[Vicky.]

Tiffany rage wasn't scary/intimidating in any way, it was normal, so i don't really understand why anyone would fear her over that, like making out she's some dangerous psycho that's going to harm someone.. TIffany was harmless and gets told to leave and got isolated.. sorry that's comes across over the top and overreacting over something so small.. but when someone who was acting like a psycho and anything could have happened because she was out of control, gets a different treatment.

Which was disgusting indeed. However to describe her as harmless...I don't really get it

During that whole David thing it did seem at one point like she was going to hit Angie. It may have looked like that because Steph grabbed hold of her which drew attention to Tiffany storming in and made it look like something it wasn't (to Angie too..as she flinched/cowered)...but she actually did come across rather aggressive at random points. Though not (from what we saw) towards Kristina.

On the other hand we have drunken Megan ranting and raving on. Yes, acting aggressively but again...I really do not understand how anyone could feel threatened by her. Kristina also was not there for a lot of the worst of Megan's performance.

The hatred Kristina appears to feel for Tiffany could well be because she is racist. I don't think her finding Tiffany intimidating while she is kicking off, while not being scared of Megan, is an example of this though. However, if one of the other women (bar Steph...who is also pathetic) kicks off in the same was Tiffany did, and Kristina does not go OTT terrified again, then yeah, I would agree that it is likely to be racism.

[Vicky.]

And I'm not even accusing her of being racist... just asking a question seeing other peoples views on it.. it's not a silly question at all, many people would wonder the same thing. It's not about disliking/hating someone,, it's about treating people differently to another.

I know you were just asking a question. Its the ones in here that have it down as certain racism and have been listing all different sterotypes (some I have never heard of) that I really don't understand :tongue:

[antifagz]

And I'm not even accusing her of being racist... just asking a question seeing other peoples views on it.. it's not a silly question at all, many people would wonder the same thing. It's not about disliking/hating someone,, it's about treating people differently to another.

It's 100% a fair question to ask, and everyone is entitle to give their views on the matter. The problem I have, and this isn't directed at you, but some people seem to look at the situation and see that someone has taken an approach to a particular person and we don't necessarily understand that approach. So rather than give them the credit for having logical reasons for taking that approach, they seem to think 'oh i can't think of any reason why someone would react like this, they must be racist' etc.

[antifagz]

I know you were just asking a question. Its the ones in here that have it down as certain racism and have been listing all different sterotypes (some I have never heard of) that I really don't understand :tongue:

don't question these points Vicky. you will be called a bigot. :(

[ScottyT]

Going by this flawed and ridiculous logic. If you dislike or don't agree with ANY black person you are deemed a racist.

I don't like Tiffany, does that make me a racist then???

[LukeB]

well if you bother to read anything you would know it's not about disliking Tiffany..i said that 6000 times now :)

[ScottyT]

well if you bother to read anything you would know it's not about disliking Tiffany..i said that 6000 times now :)

What is it about then? I'm not scrolling through pages of PC BS.

[Macie Lightfoot]

PC brigade gone mad ~~~

[coffee]

Kristina the low-key racist.

[cassieparis]

Going by this flawed and ridiculous logic. If you dislike or don't agree with ANY black person you are deemed a racist.

I don't like Tiffany, does that make me a racist then???


It depends on why you don't like her.

[ScottyT]

It depends on why you don't like her.

Because she's an abhorrent person.

Kristina hasn't once said "I hate Tiffany because she is black" so this accusation is ridiculous.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm glad you're imaginative enough to envision a form of racism other than literally condemning someone for their skin color.

[cassieparis]

Because she's an abhorrent person.

Kristina hasn't once said "I hate Tiffany because she is black" so this accusation is ridiculous.


Really, you think unless something is blatant and contains no subtlety it doesn't exist?

[ScottyT]

Really, you think unless something is blatant and contains no subtlety it doesn't exist?

Of course not. But what cumulative evidence suggests Kristina is racist?

How do you distinguish Kristina doesn't like Tiffany because of her race compared to not liking her because shes a horrible person?

It's a ridiculous accusation to make based on very selectively edited footage shown for an hour a day.

[Briancbbfan]

Just because she doesn't like someone who happens to be black DOESN'T make her racist:shrug:

Lads, ease it up on the 'racism' cries it's like the boy who cried wolf.

She's not even British surely she understands racism. Don't think we've seen any hint of racism from her at all? She even tried to understand Winston (even though she didn't) and didn't tear into him when given the chance!

[LukeB]

looks like someone didn't read the op... it's not about disliking someone.. How many times do i have to say that..... jesus

[ScottyT]

looks like someone didn't read the op... it's not about disliking someone.. How many times do i have to say that..... jesus

So? Maybe she has a closer relationship with Megan and feels safer despite her outburst? Maybe she has witnessed other violent outbursts from Tiffany than makes her feel uneasy?

It has nothing to do with race. Clutching at straws.

[Ammi]

..I don't think that Kristina's racist, no...I guess it's hard to say why in some cases, we might find something intimidating/potentially threatening even..?..and then with something else similar, we may not feel the same 'threat' as it were...these are often sub-conscious things that we don't find reason for ....she's pregnant though and there is a natural and also sub-conscious instinct to 'protect' from a pregnant lady so maybe that has a lot to do with it as well...if she herself (for whatever reason..)..had felt any possibility of physical threat at all, she would naturally have an instinct to protect her child and want that threat to be removed..?...I don't know, I'm in no way someone who knows about these psychologies but when Kristina perceived Tiffany as potentially being 'threatening' to Angie, someone who is seen as a 'vulnerable' because she's older, maybe an association trigged in her child being a vulnerable and feeling a threat there..?..I know that any of us who are mothers, know that we protect our 'bump' from the moment we know that we're pregnant...but no, I don't think racism at all personally....

[kirklancaster]

how racist of you Livia. I'm offended

:laugh: Now do not further confuse an already manic thread with your wickedness.

[chuff me dizzy]

Going by this flawed and ridiculous logic. If you dislike or don't agree with ANY black person you are deemed a racist.

I don't like Tiffany, does that make me a racist then???

You got it in 1 there lad !!

[Stevep]

Is there anyone left in the house that isn't a racist?

[chuff me dizzy]

Is there anyone left in the house that isn't a racist?

Tiffany :joker:

[Tom4784]

I think her behavior is suspect to say the least.