Idris Elba told Parliament Britain is blocking Black Actors

[arista]

He has a Fair Point
as he had to go to America
to get better roles


Debated on Ch5HD 5PM News



I blame the BBC.

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[MB.]

The same BBC that makes Luther?

[arista]

The same BBC that makes Luther?


YES


those 2 recent ones
got funded by BBCAmerica (They call it BBC Worldwide)
Thats the Commercial BBC
not the one we HAVE TO FUND


I would make at least 6 in a row.
Folks will forget he is Luther

Fecking BBC

[arista]

The Conservative Broadcasting Minister
Ed.V was on Ch5HD News just now
saying he telling all Channels to have more Black actors
and Disabled actors

[Johnnyuk123]

Film companies can choose whoever they want for their films. It's their money so it's no ones business but theirs who they choose to star in their movies.

[Northern Monkey]

Blocking them or just don't have the roles?Maybe more roles for black actors need writing.That could be a problem created by the script writers.I suppose it also depends on the programme or film though as to the roles they need filling at the time.Just sticking black or disabled actors in any old role that's not written for them would just be odd.

[kirklancaster]

And don't forget the odd token Ginger haired men with freckles, Nicaraguan Dwarfs, Hermaphrodites, Lithuanians, Polish, Albanians, People with badly fitting dentures, Transgenders, Acne sufferers, Jolly Roly Poly Jamaican women in gaily coloured clothes - we must include all types of people from all walks of life so as to ensure that we do not discriminate against anyone.

Surely it will not take much rewriting to accomodate as many different nationalities and types as possible in even the most minimalist of productions? The 5 cast members in Beckett's 'Waiting For Godot' for example, can be changed from two tramps to 50 tramps and can be retitled; 'Waiting For Godot And His 567 Mates' - Oh, No Good, I forgot, Godot never turns up.

Ah well, perhaps writer Neil Cross can take his absurd creation Luther one step further and write a series entitled 'Luther and the 645 Serial Killers'

[Alf]

So basically just calling Britain racist.

[Kizzy]

I'd say they are under represented in drama, comedy and soap.

[Northern Monkey]

I'd say they are under represented in drama, comedy and soap.

Just look at Eastenders.Albert Square's like a UN summit.I don't think they're that under represented.There are disabled presenters on the BBC.I've seen two recently.Infact Grange Hill had a disabled student back in the eighties or early nineties.I honestly don't think its a problem.Maybe Idris has been recently knocked back from a role and has sour grapes?

[JoshBB]

Jesus christ.. right-wingers really will blame anything on the BBC.

[Crimson Dynamo]

bollocks


is he promoting his "clothing line" as well?

:umm2:

Feck of to america and dont come back

[JoshBB]

So basically just calling Britain racist.

He obviously believes that there is racism within our society (which is true) and that it is blocking black people from achieving acting success - which is subjective, but in a society with some racist prevelance, not unlikely.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/1c943bec1da97fcd1989330fed0f1f9b/tumblr_inline_njjo3gkRkB1qzvn9f.jpg

There are four types of racism though, and I'm not sure which he is referring to here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He obviously believes that there is racism within our society (which is true) and that it is blocking black people from achieving acting success - which is subjective, but in a society with some racist prevelance, not unlikely.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/1c943bec1da97fcd1989330fed0f1f9b/tumblr_inline_njjo3gkRkB1qzvn9f.jpg

There are four types of racism though, and I'm not sure which he is referring to here.

90% of the UK is white

if 90% of the UK was black it would be the same



he needs to move to la and do one

[Kizzy]

Just look at Eastenders.Albert Square's like a UN summit.I don't think they're that under represented.There are disabled presenters on the BBC.I've seen two recently.Infact Grange Hill had a disabled student back in the eighties or early nineties.I honestly don't think its a problem.Maybe Idris has been recently knocked back from a role and has sour grapes?

You love your grapes don't you, how did we get from black actors to the disabled again?...

[JoshBB]

90% of the UK is white

if 90% of the UK was black it would be the same



he needs to move to la and do one

No it wouldn't, I don't think you understand how racism works.

But just to be clear here, a black actor is discussing his story on how race has held back his success in the UK movies industry, and instead of showing compassion.. you say he needs to move out of our country? :shrug:

I don't follow your logic here.

[GiRTh]

No it wouldn't, I don't think you understand how racism works.

But just to be clear here, a black actor is discussing his story on how race has held back his success in the UK movies industry, and instead of showing compassion.. you say he needs to move out of our country? :shrug:

I don't follow your logic here.:clap1:

[Locke.]

Elba.

He's one of the best actors this country has produced in recent times, and unlike most other British actors that make it in the US he actually still comes home and makes British shows and films, which I'm sure benefits the TV/film companies quite a lot. The last thing they want is for him to "do one to LA"

[Crimson Dynamo]

No it wouldn't, I don't think you understand how racism works.

But just to be clear here, a black actor is discussing his story on how race has held back his success in the UK movies industry, and instead of showing compassion.. you say he needs to move out of our country? :shrug:

I don't follow your logic here.

so you think if the UK was a black country and was 90 % black that things would not be exactly the same?

How?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Luther is awful formulaic standard issue cop crime crud

[Locke.]

You are in the minority in thinking that, it's reviewed very well and won a couple of Golden Globes. Downton Abbey is the only other British show in recent times I can think of to achieve anything like that.

[GiRTh]

so you think if the UK was a black country and was 90 % black that things would not be exactly the same?

How?:joker:

Once again LT you want to change the subject.

Personally, I think this also applies to actors like Dominic West and Damien Lewis who both had to move to Hollywood to find roles. I just think there are not enough good British productions for the talent that is currently over here. Christoher Eccleston gave up Dr Who, one of the plum acting jobs in this country, to seek roles in the US. Strange you dont make that argument instead you just tell Idris to 'Do one'. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Luther is awful formulaic standard issue cop crime crud

I agree - totally absurd and OTT hammy. The first series would not have made it past the Script Readers had it been an unknown writer. We had a D.I. who was so psychologically, mentally and emotionally unstable he would have been removed from his position in a jiffy, and a female serial killer following him across the London rooftops clutching a huge carving knife - pure shlocky horror hokum which failed to have me 'suspending my disbelief' as a great script should, and had me laughing out loud at the awfullness of it all instead.

Idris IS a very gifted actor though, and a seemingly decent and nice person, and he deserves his success, but the idea that any actors are 'held back' from roles simply BECAUSE they are black is ludicrous.

If the part demands a black actor and the actor who is auditioning is good enough - he/she will get the role.

Or do some members think that roles should specifically be given to black actors just BECAUSE they are black? This in itself is discriminatory and racist.

[JoshBB]

so you think if the UK was a black country and was 90 % black that things would not be exactly the same?

How?

You can't just rewrite our demographic and imagine hypothetical situations.. but if we are going to look at 90% black (usually more) demographics then it is not the case. South Africa still needs anti-discrimination laws for black people especially in employment because of white privelege. Throughout africa and asia they are taught that white skin is a sign of beauty, and they use dangerous bleaching chemicals to try and achieve that. It's really sad.

Racism is founded upon our colonialism in the past, as well as slavery. You cannot rewrite that. You cannot imagine up hypotheticals of a higher black demographic discriminating against white people because both of those factors massively affect racism in the UK and the western world in general.

[Johnnyuk123]

Producers want to make as much money out of a movie project as they can for themselves and their backers. Whoever they choose is their choice. I have no problem with whoever they choose as they are taking a gamble with lots of money to try and make a profit. It has nothing to do with colour and everything to do with making money on their movie project.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Producers want to make as much money out of a movie project as they can for themselves and their backers. Whoever they choose is their choice. I have no problem with whoever they choose as they are taking a gamble with lots of money to try and make a profit. It has nothing to do with colour and everything to do with making money on their movie project.

Bang on right johnny

Elba is just another luvvie who thinks the sun shines out of Uncle Sams ass

[Johnnyuk123]

Bang on right johnny

Elba is just another luvvie who thinks the sun shines out of Uncle Sams ass

Theres a few movie production companies out there that hire 98% african american actors with only token none african american actors involved yet no one has a problem with that?:shrug:

[arista]

So basically just calling Britain racist.



No just the BBC

[arista]

Film companies can choose whoever they want for their films. It's their money so it's no ones business but theirs who they choose to star in their movies.



Bloody Right Johnny

Yes Big Money
they will Buy the Hardest Workers

As would I
Johnny

[James]

I heard Stephen Fry talking about this subject on the radio a while ago. He said the reason was that the rest of the world is primarily interested in buying period dramas (like Downton Abbey) from the UK, and isn't much interested in modern day urban UK drama.

[Kizzy]

The whole of the UK will be like downton abbey soon,they can buy that :/

[arista]

I heard Stephen Fry talking about this subject on the radio a while ago. He said the reason was that the rest of the world is primarily interested in buying period dramas (like Downton Abbey) from the UK, and isn't much interested in modern day urban UK drama.


Yes back in the day,
it was another way

[Kizzy]

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/video/2016/jan/18/idris-elba-talent-is-everywhere-opportunity-isnt-video

[Ammi]

..there are many British actors/actresses who have to 'do one' to the USA because in terms of opportunities in roles, money etc...it can offer so much more, the UK film/TV industry is just so limited in general with finances etc...for black actors/actresses I think, it's just another 'minority' or a restriction that they have to deal with...they're British/fewer British roles in the USA TV/film industry, so can they convincingly be Americans, do those roles..?..they're female...fewer great roles for females in general..?...they're black so 'black roles' are needed ..?...atm, there are American actors speaking up that their aren't enough opportunities for black actors/actresses and even talk about boycotting the Oscars...it's good that this is being spoken up about I think...because why is that..?...they can only give parts to characters that have been written, so why aren't they being written so much for black characters..?..maybe not equal opportunities, a minority in black screen writers/producers/directors etc as well..?...why is that, through schools/colleges/unis etc...is there not the same equal opportunities there either..?..so it goes down, I guess and looking at why and that should be looked at....

...the BBC has always been known as producing great period dramas, I think that James commented on that..?..well, black characters didn't figure so much in 'period' did they, so TV companies should be looking at that and looking at different scripts....we have huge predominantly black communities in the UK with very few white population in them...have we ever had a soap in this country that has been mainly 'black' casted..?...like we do with things like EastEnders etc....although there are black families integrated, is it still not mainly white communities that are focused on..?...why not a black community..?...maybe there is that though, I don't really watch soaps....


..anyways, I don't see why roles can't be adapted as well, when it would make no difference to the character portrayed...there was quite a lot of objection to Idris playing James Bond if I recall...on social sites I mean, not on here....what difference to the character if the role was a black actor..?...none at all...

[bots]

Take another BBC stalwart - Dr Who - Plenty races in there including Aliens - They have rights too :fist:

[user104658]

Take another BBC stalwart - Dr Who - Plenty races in there including Aliens - They have rights too :fist:

Speaking of Dr Who though... surely there needs to be a black (or any other non-caucasian) doctor at some point? When he changes he totally rewrites his genetic code... he's done it 13(?) times and he's always white? I reckon The Doctor is a wee bit racist tbh :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Speaking of Dr Who though... surely there needs to be a black (or any other non-caucasian) doctor at some point? When he changes he totally rewrites his genetic code... he's done it 13(?) times and he's always white? I reckon The Doctor is a wee bit racist tbh :joker:

It should be a black or asian doctor on every 10th regeneration to keep up with the UK racial mix

Also a gay one every 20th regen

:smug:

[Northern Monkey]

Well if we're doing that then we need a midget doctor every one millionth or so regens.

[Jamie89]

It should be a black or asian doctor on every 10th regeneration to keep up with the UK racial mix

Also a gay one every 20th regen

:smug:

And a closeted one every 5th :fan:

[user104658]

It should be a black or asian doctor on every 10th regeneration to keep up with the UK racial mix

Also a gay one every 20th regen

:smug:

Actually, there was a fairly strong implication that the David Tennant doctor was bisexual (...omnisexual?) in my opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Actually, there was a fairly strong implication that the David Tennant doctor was bisexual (...omnisexual?) in my opinion.

i bet they all have shagged a few aliens

I mean if a 3 breasted stunna from Algeron III lays it on a plate, few could refuse

[arista]

Take another BBC stalwart - Dr Who - Plenty races in there including Aliens - They have rights too :fist:


No rights for that fluff
now made by BBCAmerica

[arista]

i bet they all have shagged a few aliens

I mean if a 3 breasted stunna from Algeron III lays it on a plate, few could refuse


How Nice

[user104658]

i bet they all have shagged a few aliens

I mean if a 3 breasted stunna from Algeron III lays it on a plate, few could refuse

"Baby, you make me wish I had three hands"

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[arista]

"Baby, you make me wish I had three hands"

http://cdn.hark.com/images/000/777/302/777302/original.jpg

Yes we need a 3 tit lady


Great film on 1080P DTSHD 5.1 sound
BluRay

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am amazed at womankind. They spend a fortune making their 2 breasts bigger when surely it would be more efficient to grow another middle boob thus giving men more?

typical women not thinking right

:idc:

[user104658]

I am amazed at womankind. They spend a fortune making their 2 breasts bigger when surely it would be more efficient to grow another middle boob thus giving men more?

typical women not thinking right

:idc:

Like this genius?

http://cdn.popdust.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/woman-3-boobs-fake-surgery-third-breast-fraud-reality-tv-Jasmine-Tridevil_2014-09-23_23-12-33-452x254.jpg

She didn't grow it, to be fair, but that is a 100% genuine surgically implanted third boob. It makes her chest look like a cartoon foot.

[Kizzy]

He's not the first to say it.

Selma star David Oyelowo has claimed there is no desire within the UK film industry to tell stories about black heroes.

Interviewed by the Big Issue, the Hollywood-based Briton said he would not have enjoyed the same opportunities had he remained working in the UK. Oyelowo, who plays Martin Luther King Jr in Ava DuVernay’s acclaimed civil rights biopic, added that the country’s arts scene was hamstrung by issues of class and race.

“I’d never get to play a character akin to Dr King living and working [in the UK],” said Oyelowo, the former star of BBC spy drama Spooks who left Britain in 2007. “If I looked like Benedict [Cumberbatch] or Eddie Redmayne, I could do the films they have done that are being celebrated now. But myself, Idris Elba and Chiwetel Ejiofor had to gain our success elsewhere because there is not a desire to tell stories with black protagonists in a heroic context within British film.”

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/feb/11/david-oyelowo-uk-stories-heroic-black-characters-selma

[Livia]

I was there yesterday! He smelt so good... I don't think most of the females there heard a thing he said.

[Mokka]

I heard Stephen Fry talking about this subject on the radio a while ago. He said the reason was that the rest of the world is primarily interested in buying period dramas (like Downton Abbey) from the UK, and isn't much interested in modern day urban UK drama.

I think this is fairly accurate. Most of the UK material that makes it even close to American /Canadian main stream are period dramas...
The rest of your content I have to find on my own via Internet streaming. Even Canadian Netflix, that has a high amount oh British content, is mostly period dramas.

[Alf]

I was there yesterday! He smelt so good... I don't think most of the females there heard a thing he said.
Salivating was you?

[Livia]

Salivating was you?

A little bit... yeah!

[Tom4784]

He has a point.

People bring up Luther like one show alone is enough to tip the balance. It's not enough. I could spend all day naming UK shows and films with a white lead actor but I'd struggle to think of many shows or films featuring black actors at the forefront aside from stereotypical trash like Top Boy and Kidulthood.

The entertainment industry heavily favours white actors and it always has, to deny that is to deny reality.

[Livia]

Again... the only way you're going to get good roles for black actors is to have black screenwriters.

[jennyjuniper]

I agree - totally absurd and OTT hammy. The first series would not have made it past the Script Readers had it been an unknown writer. We had a D.I. who was so psychologically, mentally and emotionally unstable he would have been removed from his position in a jiffy, and a female serial killer following him across the London rooftops clutching a huge carving knife - pure shlocky horror hokum which failed to have me 'suspending my disbelief' as a great script should, and had me laughing out loud at the awfullness of it all instead.

Idris IS a very gifted actor though, and a seemingly decent and nice person, and he deserves his success, but the idea that any actors are 'held back' from roles simply BECAUSE they are black is ludicrous.

If the part demands a black actor and the actor who is auditioning is good enough - he/she will get the role.

Or do some members think that roles should specifically be given to black actors just BECAUSE they are black? This in itself is discriminatory and racist.
Not to mention the death knell to creative script writers, if they have to take into account that they must have black characters or disabled or anything but what comes out of their own imagination.

[the truth]

writers is the key I agree....the quality of writing has simply disappeared in recent years in the uk and in Hollywood..the golden age is long gone.....lets face it even the pacinos and deniros are making mediocre movies now...

[Niamh.]

writers is the key I agree....the quality of writing has simply disappeared in recent years in the uk and in Hollywood..the golden age is long gone.....lets face it even the pacinos and deniros are making mediocre movies now...

It's all about TV shows right now, it's the golden age for those I reckon

[the truth]

It's all about TV shows right now, it's the golden age for those I reckon

meh ...we had simpsons and sopranos and curb your enthusiasm. true classics....then an endless stream of shows, either rip offs or copies , all far far too formulaic...british tv meanwhile is plain s*** living off an ancient forgotten reputation for great comedies and dramas.

[Niamh.]

meh ...e had simpsons and sopranos and curb your enthusiasm. true classics....then an endless stream of shows, far far too formulaic...british tv meanwhile is plain ****

ah come on Breaking Bad, game of Thrones, The walking Dead, Mad Men, the list goes on and on

[the truth]

ah come on Breaking Bad, game of Thrones, The walking Dead, Mad Men, the list goes on and on

mediocre and formulaic

[Niamh.]

mediocre and formulaic

:nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

well he seems to have fallen feet first in the barrel of tits that is showbusiness so why he he moaning


not his mandela role making him a litttle ickle bit worthy?

surely not

[Northern Monkey]

It's all about TV shows right now, it's the golden age for those I reckonNetflix are creating some amazing shows now.Netflix originals are really very good.